The RSSSF Archive were treating the "new" Rangers as a different club.
They seem to have changed their minds now though. They're crediting them
with 55 Championships now with the following footnote: "While the
company owning Rangers FC was liquidated in 2012, it had
previously sold the club to another company, thus enabling the
club, which had to restart at the fourth domestic league level,
to retain its old records."

I'm still not sure whether to believe they're the same club or not.

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Mark wrote:

The RSSSF Archive were treating the "new" Rangers as a
different club. They seem to have changed their minds now
though. They're crediting them with 55 Championships now with
the following footnote: "While the company owning Rangers FC
was liquidated in 2012, it had previously sold the club
to another company, thus enabling the club, which had to
restart at the fourth domestic league level, to retain
its old records."

I'm still not sure whether to believe they're the same club or
not.

Same name (Rangers FC), same ground (Ibrox), same colour kits
(Blue/White), same bigoted fans (Billy Boys), same club.

Just with a different company owning the 'brand', if you want to
look at it that way.

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On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:13:25 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

The RSSSF Archive were treating the "new" Rangers as a
different club. They seem to have changed their minds now
though. They're crediting them with 55 Championships now with
the following footnote: "While the company owning Rangers FC
was liquidated in 2012, it had previously sold the club
to another company, thus enabling the club, which had to
restart at the fourth domestic league level, to retain
its old records."

I'm still not sure whether to believe they're the same club or
not.

Same name (Rangers FC), same ground (Ibrox), same colour kits
(Blue/White), same bigoted fans (Billy Boys), same club.

Same name and same ground ? That's nothing.

I'm currently watching an NHL game where the home team has had two
different names, been relocated 1,500 miles to a different country and
is still the same club with the full history and records of its previous incarnation.

If soccer ever does the franchise thing, prepare to be confused.

--
Vive Les Nordiques!

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In article <8c9d4dbee601cbd64ec84190a1531dc9@www.novabbs.com>,
Silver Skull <silver.skull@nopsam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:13:25 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

The RSSSF Archive were treating the "new" Rangers as a
different club. They seem to have changed their minds now
though. They're crediting them with 55 Championships now with
the following footnote: "While the company owning Rangers FC
was liquidated in 2012, it had previously sold the club
to another company, thus enabling the club, which had to
restart at the fourth domestic league level, to retain
its old records."

I'm still not sure whether to believe they're the same club or
not.

Same name (Rangers FC), same ground (Ibrox), same colour kits
(Blue/White), same bigoted fans (Billy Boys), same club.

Same name and same ground ? That's nothing.

I'm currently watching an NHL game where the home team has had two
different names, been relocated 1,500 miles to a different country and
is still the same club with the full history and records of its previous >incarnation.

If soccer ever does the franchise thing, prepare to be confused.

--
Vive Les Nordiques!

Milton Keynes Dons former Wimbledon FC.
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Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism ;

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On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 2:50:45 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

In article <8c9d4dbee601cbd64ec84190a1531dc9@www.novabbs.com>,
Silver Skull <silver.skull@nopsam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:13:25 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Same name and same ground ? That's nothing.

I'm currently watching an NHL game where the home team has had two >>different names, been relocated 1,500 miles to a different country and
is still the same club with the full history and records of its previous >>incarnation.

If soccer ever does the franchise thing, prepare to be confused.

Milton Keynes Dons former Wimbledon FC.

{ I had to google who they are. }

It seems that English soccer club relocated around sixty miles. That's virtually next door compared to an NHL team moving from Atlanta in the
USA to Winnipeg in Canada !

--
Vive Les Nordiques!

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The Doctor wrote:

In article <8c9d4dbee601cbd64ec84190a1531dc9@www.novabbs.com>,
Silver Skull <silver.skull@nopsam.com> wrote:

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:13:25 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Same name (Rangers FC), same ground (Ibrox), same colour
kit (Blue/White), same bigoted fans (Billy Boys), same
club.

Same name and same ground ? That's nothing.

I'm currently watching an NHL game where the home team has
had two different names, been relocated 1,500 miles to a
different country and is still the same club with the full
history and records of its previous incarnation.

If soccer ever does the franchise thing, prepare to be
confused.

Milton Keynes Dons former Wimbledon FC.

I remember when that happened and all the protests outside
Plough Lane. The "MK Dons" didn't retain their former team's
history though. All of the records and history of Wimbledon FC
were moved to AFC Wimbledon, a new club formed by Wimbledon fans
following the re-location. Which is also where most of the fan
allegiance in south west London went too, as very few locals
bothered with the trip to Milton Keynes to watch the MK Dons.

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Silver Skull wrote:

On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 2:50:45 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

In article
<8c9d4dbee601cbd64ec84190a1531dc9@www.novabbs.com>,
Silver Skull <silver.skull@nopsam.com> wrote:

I'm currently watching an NHL game where the home team has
had two different names, been relocated 1,500 miles to a
different country and is still the same club with the full
history and records of its previous incarnation.

If soccer ever does the franchise thing, prepare to be
confused.

Milton Keynes Dons former Wimbledon FC.

{ I had to google who they are. }

It seems that English soccer club relocated around sixty
miles. That's virtually next door compared to an NHL team
moving from Atlanta in the USA to Winnipeg in Canada !

I always find that shit strange with American... as in, do
people follow the franchise to its new location, or just switch
their allegiance to the nearest big team? A team that would
probably have been the rivals of the team that moved away!

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Blueshirt wrote:

Silver Skull wrote:

On Sat, 19 Oct 2024 2:50:45 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

In article
<8c9d4dbee601cbd64ec84190a1531dc9@www.novabbs.com>,
Silver Skull <silver.skull@nopsam.com> wrote:

I'm currently watching an NHL game where the home team
has had two different names, been relocated 1,500 miles
to a different country and is still the same club with
the full history and records of its previous incarnation.

If soccer ever does the franchise thing, prepare to be
confused.

Milton Keynes Dons former Wimbledon FC.

{ I had to google who they are. }

It seems that English soccer club relocated around sixty
miles. That's virtually next door compared to an NHL team
moving from Atlanta in the USA to Winnipeg in Canada !

I always find that shit strange with *American... as in, do
people follow the franchise to its new location, or just switch
their allegiance to the nearest big team? A team that would
probably have been the rivals of the team that moved away!

[* correction] -> North American sports <-

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On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:13:25 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

The RSSSF Archive were treating the "new" Rangers as a
different club. They seem to have changed their minds now
though. They're crediting them with 55 Championships now with
the following footnote: "While the company owning Rangers FC
was liquidated in 2012, it had previously sold the club
to another company, thus enabling the club, which had to
restart at the fourth domestic league level, to retain
its old records."

I'm still not sure whether to believe they're the same club or
not.

Same name (Rangers FC), same ground (Ibrox), same colour kits
(Blue/White), same bigoted fans (Billy Boys), same club.

Just with a different company owning the 'brand', if you want to
look at it that way.

I'm still trying to get my head round this. Who were the company that
owned Rangers? Surely the company was Rangers FC themselves? How can
they sell themselves to another company? (Or is that where the 'brand'
comes in? The brand is usually just the name of the company though isn't
it?)

And would the company they were sold to be Sevco?

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Mark wrote:

On Fri, 18 Oct 2024 14:13:25 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

I'm still not sure whether to believe they're the same
club or not.

Same name (Rangers FC), same ground (Ibrox), same colour kit
(Blue/White), same bigoted fans (Billy Boys), same club.

Just with a different company owning the 'brand', if you
want to look at it that way.

I'm still trying to get my head round this. Who were the
company that owned Rangers? Surely the company was Rangers FC
themselves? How can they sell themselves to another company?
(Or is that where the 'brand' comes in? The brand is usually
just the name of the company though isn't it?)

And would the company they were sold to be Sevco?

Most football clubs are owned by somebody, either one person, a
group of people (fans/members/investors), a business or holding
company. I can't talk about the ownership of Rangers FC as I am
not Scottish, or a Rangers fan, so you'd have to Google that
one... but professional football clubs are just businesses at
the end of the day.

As an example... Chelsea FC are owned by a company called
'BlueCo 22', which is basically a consortium of people
[investors] led by Todd Boehly and Clearlake Capital. Chelsea FC
do not own themselves.

BlueCo 22 have a few subsidiary companies, one of which is
'Chelsea FC Holdings Ltd', which operate Chelsea FC. (BlueCo
also own RC Strasbourg of the French league, they are not owned
by Chelsea FC.) So ultimately, "Chelsea FC" are a business that
can be bought and sold like any other business, within reason
obviously. (The laws of the land and having the funds to buy
them being the most important!)

Until the spring of 2022 Chelsea FC were owned by a company
called 'Fordstam Ltd' which was a holding company owned by Roman
Abramovich. So when I say "brand" I mean the football club
changed ownership but the name of the club is still Chelsea
Football Club, regardless of the holding company running the
operation on behalf of its owners. It wasn't London Chelsea
becoming the Chelsea Dodgers or something like that!

The Rangers situation might have been a bit different, but the
bottom line is that Rangers FC - like all football clubs these
days - are just a brand. A brand to make money, as that is the
name of the game for any business.

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