• Re: 64 Teams in WC 2030?

    From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 8 11:05:32 2025
    Lléo wrote:

    Not a done deal, no, but "under consideration" it would seem.

    Like most of FIFA's ideas under Infantino, a silly idea... but
    all about the money and his ego, so it could happen.

    Footballers are already playing too many matches each season.
    Which might be why so many are getting injured. Players would
    get no rest at all if FIFA had their way.

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  • From Werner Pichler@21:1/5 to llb.moura@gmail.com on Wed Mar 12 17:48:18 2025
    Lléo <llb.moura@gmail.com> wrote:
    Not a done deal, no, but "under consideration" it would seem.

    https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/mar/06/fifa-will-consider-expanding-world-cup-to-64-teams-for-2030-tournament

    To be honest, 48 or 64 teams? Not much difference, in my humble opinion,
    it is way too much in either case, and if anything at least a 64-team tournament lends itself to formats that don't require things like "best thirds" advancing or groups of three teams.

    If this thing indeed comes off, what could the groups look like? Given
    that tiers are based on FIFA rankings and assuming the top 64 qualifying
    to it for simplicity's sake, here's what the pools for the draw could
    look like, based on today's rankings:

    1: Argentina, France, Spain, England, Brasil, Portugal, Netherlands,
    Belgium, Italy, Germany, Uruguay, Colombia, Croatia, Morocco, Japan,
    United States

    2: Senegal, Iran, Mexico, Switzerland, Denmark, Austria, South Korea, Ecuador, Ukraine, Australia, Sweden, Turkey, Wales, Hungary, Canada, Serbia

    3: Egypt, Russia, Poland, Panama, Algeria, Romania, Greece, Peru,
    Slovakia, Czechia, Norway, Nigeria, Scotland, Ivory Coast, Venezuela, Qatar

    4: Cameroon, Chile, Mali, Tunisia, Paraguay, Costa Rica, Slovenia, Iraq, South Africa, Uzbekistan, Saudi Arabia, Ireland, Congo DR, Jamaica,
    United Arab Emirates, Jordan

    With the next in line being the likes of Albania, North Macedonia,
    Georgia or Finland for UEFA; Bolivia for Conmebol; Honduras, El
    Salvador, Haiti or Curaçao for Concacaf; Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Ghana
    or Guinea for CAF; Oman, Bahrain, China or Syria for AFC, and of course
    the entirety of OFC.

    In the four tiers above, the only ones that haven't ever been to a WC
    thus far are Venezuela, Mali, Uzbekistan and Jordan, and the ones that
    have been absent from the tournament for the most time are Congo DR
    (played as Zaire in 1974), Hungary and Iraq (both last played in 1986),
    if I'm not missing anything.

    Confederation distribution: UEFA 28, CAF 11, AFC 10, Conmebol 9,
    Concacaf 6, OFC 0. A bit over half of UEFA


    Not really different from Euro qualifying then, and
    a couple of bigger teams (like the Netherlands in 2016) have sat one out.


    Ciao,
    Werner


    and almost everyone from
    Conmebol. But whatever way they split the berths, for the big sides and
    a number of others, qualifying would become a mere formality.


    Best regards,

    Lléo



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  • From MH@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 12 13:05:13 2025

    With the next in line being the likes of Albania, North Macedonia,
    Georgia or Finland for UEFA; Bolivia for Conmebol; Honduras, El
    Salvador, Haiti or Curaçao for Concacaf; Burkina Faso, Cape Verde, Ghana
    or Guinea for CAF; Oman, Bahrain, China or Syria for AFC, and of course
    the entirety of OFC.

    In the four tiers above, the only ones that haven't ever been to a WC
    thus far are Venezuela, Mali, Uzbekistan and Jordan, and the ones that
    have been absent from the tournament for the most time are Congo DR
    (played as Zaire in 1974), Hungary and Iraq (both last played in 1986),
    if I'm not missing anything.

    Confederation distribution: UEFA 28, CAF 11, AFC 10, Conmebol 9,
    Concacaf 6, OFC 0. A bit over half of UEFA


    Not really different from Euro qualifying then, and
    a couple of bigger teams (like the Netherlands in 2016) have sat one out.

    What would be the next "biggest", though? Sweden in 2022 ?

    Whereas Turkey, Ukraine, and Poland - not bad teams by any means, but
    certainly not names to conjure with, have all made all three tournaments
    since the expansion to 24 teams.

    Only thing in favour of 64 teams is that at least there is no messing
    around with format, best third placed teams etc. And I suppose if they
    do want to do it, a tournament co-hosted by Spain, Portugal, Morcocco,
    Uruguay, Argentina, and Paraguay has no shortage of venues to host
    matches. Spain alone has quite a few decent sized stadia - two in
    Madrid, two in Barcelona, 3 in Sevilla, one each in Donostia, Valencia
    and Bilbao, all 40 k capacity or thereabouts.


    Ciao,
    Werner


    and almost everyone from
    Conmebol. But whatever way they split the berths, for the big sides and
    a number of others, qualifying would become a mere formality.


    Best regards,

    Lléo






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