It all kicks off tomorrow and every time I see something about it, I
seem to see Trump and Infantino and some weird looking Gyroscope thing.
I know it is hard to imagine, but I think Trump may have actually played
the soccer when he was young? SO maybe that is why he wants to make
Soccer great again?


It all kicks off tomorrow with Inter Messi vs some soccer team from
somewhere else, no one actually knows from where. Then the next day
bayern will play Mark's 11 favourite team from New Zealand, who it turns
out are actually an amateur soccer team. I believe the other game is
actually a proper football match between proper European football teams.
If I believe the Press, the Soccer teams might actually sell more
tickets than the Football teams?

Anyhow somehow the winner takes in a Billion dollars and DAZN must be
paying a trillion dollars to televise these matches.

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Binder Dundat <dundat@mail.com> wrote:

It all kicks off tomorrow and every time I see something about it, I
seem to see Trump and Infantino and some weird looking Gyroscope thing.
I know it is hard to imagine, but I think Trump may have actually played
the soccer when he was young? SO maybe that is why he wants to make
Soccer great again?

It all kicks off tomorrow with Inter Messi vs some soccer team from
somewhere else, no one actually knows from where. Then the next day
bayern will play Mark's 11 favourite team from New Zealand, who it turns
out are actually an amateur soccer team. I believe the other game is
actually a proper football match between proper European football teams.
If I believe the Press, the Soccer teams might actually sell more
tickets than the Football teams?

Anyhow somehow the winner takes in a Billion dollars and DAZN must be
paying a trillion dollars to televise these matches.

No, Saudi-Arabia is paying that money through
DAZN.

Ciao,
Werner

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 1:02:34 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

It all kicks off tomorrow and every time I see something about it, I
seem to see Trump and Infantino and some weird looking Gyroscope thing.
I know it is hard to imagine, but I think Trump may have actually played
the soccer when he was young? SO maybe that is why he wants to make
Soccer great again?

It all kicks off tomorrow with Inter Messi vs some soccer team from
somewhere else, no one actually knows from where. Then the next day
bayern will play Mark's 11 favourite team from New Zealand, who it turns
out are actually an amateur soccer team. I believe the other game is
actually a proper football match between proper European football teams.
If I believe the Press, the Soccer teams might actually sell more
tickets than the Football teams?

Anyhow somehow the winner takes in a Billion dollars and DAZN must be
paying a trillion dollars to televise these matches.

In the UK selected matches will be on Channel 5 (free to air tv
broadcaster) but the only way to watch every match is by signing up to
DAZN’s streaming service. To be fair you can watch every game live on a
free account, but if you want to watch match repeats or even highlights
you need a paid subscription. Bearing in mind some of the matches will
be played in the early hours of the morning GMT, it seems a paid
subscription is necessary to follow the tournament properly. I’ve
therefore coughed up £20 for a monthly “rolling” subscription which I’ve cancelled immediately so as not to have to pay beyond the Club World Cup
for a bunch of boxing matches I’m not interested in.

Believe it or not it’s the fifth sports broadcasting subscription I
currently have - to think we thought it was daylight robbery when only
one Sky subscription got us the EPL, SPL, various European Leagues, Copa Libertadores, NBA, NFL, WWF (as it was then) etc etc !


RM

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Futbolmetrix <futbolmetrix@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 1:02:34 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

It all kicks off tomorrow and every time I see something about it,

FT: Inter Miami - Al Ahly 0-0

No goals, but fairly entertaining game. Al Ahly won a penalty in the
first half (Infantino has to work on his match-rigging), but Ustari
saved Trezeguet's effort (or maybe Gianni is playing 4-D chess?).

https://x.com/ASonNamedBort/status/1928021011271692422

Ciao,
Werner

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On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 1:02:34 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

It all kicks off tomorrow and every time I see something about it,

FT: Inter Miami - Al Ahly 0-0

No goals, but fairly entertaining game. Al Ahly won a penalty in the
first half (Infantino has to work on his match-rigging), but Ustari
saved Trezeguet's effort (or maybe Gianni is playing 4-D chess?). Then
Miami had most of the chances in the second half, but El Shenawy was
able to keep the clean sheet intact through some combination of
prodigious reflexes and lucky bounces.


4 matches tomorrow:

Bayern-Auckland (this should help reduce the appetite for more
Oceanian teams)
PSG - Atletico (first head-to-head clash between European giants)
Palmeiras - Porto (first Euro-South America clash)
Botafogo - Seattle

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Real_Mardin wrote:

Believe it or not it’s the fifth sports broadcasting
subscription I currently have - to think we thought it was
daylight robbery when only one Sky subscription got us the
EPL, SPL, various European Leagues, Copa Libertadores, NBA,
NFL, WWF (as it was then) etc etc !

I blame the EU. They changed the rules many years ago to stop
any one company [cough, Sky] having a monopoly over football
rights. So now you need three paid subscriptions in the UK to
watch all of the live Premier League games broadcast. (Sky
Sports, TNT, Amazon Prime) The EU reckoned competition was
good... it's not good for people's wallets! It's no surprise
some people turn to illegal streaming.

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Werner Pichler wrote:

https://x.com/ASonNamedBort/status/1928021011271692422

Which tells you all you need to know! :-)

The Ego Has Landed.

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 3:17:27 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sat, 14 Jun 2025 1:02:34 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

It all kicks off tomorrow and every time I see something about it,

FT: Inter Miami - Al Ahly 0-0

No goals, but fairly entertaining game. Al Ahly won a penalty in the
first half (Infantino has to work on his match-rigging), but Ustari
saved Trezeguet's effort (or maybe Gianni is playing 4-D chess?). Then
Miami had most of the chances in the second half, but El Shenawy was
able to keep the clean sheet intact through some combination of
prodigious reflexes and lucky bounces.

I saw the Al-Ahly fans celebrating on the sports news before I knew of
the result, from their celebrations I actually thought they'd won the
match. This tournament clearly means more to supporters than some are acknowledging.




RM

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 11:10:54 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

Real_Mardin wrote:

Believe it or not it’s the fifth sports broadcasting
subscription I currently have - to think we thought it was
daylight robbery when only one Sky subscription got us the
EPL, SPL, various European Leagues, Copa Libertadores, NBA,
NFL, WWF (as it was then) etc etc !

I blame the EU. They changed the rules many years ago to stop
any one company [cough, Sky] having a monopoly over football
rights. So now you need three paid subscriptions in the UK to
watch all of the live Premier League games broadcast. (Sky
Sports, TNT, Amazon Prime) The EU reckoned competition was
good... it's not good for people's wallets! It's no surprise
some people turn to illegal streaming.

Competition among broadcasters would be good if only football rights
were sold the same as most other commodoties, eg non-exclusively and if
you want to watch any one match you can chose from one of a number of broadcasters. Of course, the leagues then wouldn't be able to charge so
much for the broadcast rights.

They can sort of get round it in the EU due to freedom of provision of
services laws which mean you can be in Germany and opt to watch the
Premier League on (say) Nova Sports from Greece instead of Sky
Deutschland, provided you don't mind the commentary being in another
language. Still not ideal.



RM

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There are so many cup competitions going on in the USA it is hard to
keep track, I mean you got I dont know how many Soccer cups, then the Basketball, the Ice Hockey, the Golf, I think the Tennis and I dont know
what else?

Al Ahly 0 - 0 Inter miami FT

The US fans will be bemoaning everything that is wrong with the Soccer
after an opening match that did not live up to its opening match
festivities. Oh dear it was such an american style hootenanny opening
match ceremony. Be prepared WWEpl fans, this is what you are going to
be getting soon. Then again they had Limp Biscuit or somebody do the
UCL final opening.

To be fair it was not a bad match for a 0-0, I have seen worse, The
Egyptians probably had the better chances, but they also had to clear a
goal off the line. The match was played at the Glitzy Hard Rock Casino
stadium in Miami, that actually has slot machines at every seat in the
stadium. It is not the official home stadium of Inter-Miami.

This game did not rock anywhere near as much as the Gold Cup match being
played on the other side of the Country. It seems like the Gold Cup is
a west coast thing while The MSGA Cup is an east coast thing?

For those that think the Football season is over, there are at least 15
matches going on today. I could start at noon and go straight through
to Midnight and never not have a live match to watch and that does no
even include the U-23 Euro Cup going on.

Up next is Bayern v Aukland City Amateurs

It looks like Muller and Neuer are playing in this match? I thought
they retired?

Ohhh it would be soo good to see bayern lose this, but even if Leroy
Sane was playing they would not.

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On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:05:01 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

Up next is Bayern v Aukland City Amateurs

40 minutes in, Bayern up 4-0. More Oceania teams in the CWC!

5-0. The greatest ever Fantasy Scout pick on the board.

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On 2025-06-15 12:47 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:05:01 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

Up next is Bayern v Aukland City Amateurs

40 minutes in, Bayern up 4-0. More Oceania teams in the CWC!

5-0. The greatest ever Fantasy Scout pick on the board.

10 - 0 now, the oddest thing is Kane played 60 mins and scored zero
goals. His replacement came on and scored 3 in ten minutes. I am gonna
say Auckland is the weakest team in this thing.

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PSG and Atlético de Madrid about to kickoff at the iconic Rose Bowl.
There seem to be quite a few empty seats in the main stands.


RM

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HT:

PSG 2 - Atlético 0

Ruiz opened the scoring with a low shot from outside the area.

Vitinha made it 2-0 in injury time just after Griezmann missed a chance
to equalise.



RM

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The heat is being described as unbearable. This is classic Rose Bowl!


RM

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The Rose Bowl looks so sunny! This is like watching the 1994 World Cup
all over again!


RM

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FT:

PSG 4 - Atlético 0


Oh dear. Mayulu added a third on 87 minutes and PSG were awarded a VAR
handball penalty in injury time which Lee converted.

Despite the scoreline Atlético had their chances and could have gotten
more from the game on another day.

RM

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On 2025-06-15 4:11 p.m., Real_Mardin wrote:

The heat is being described as unbearable. This is classic Rose Bowl!

RM

Yeah like you said, it was like 94 all over again. I dunno these mid
day kick offs seem a bit unfair. I mean cmon, up here on the Iceberg it
is 28C in the shade this afternoon!

But PSG look good for their 2-0 lead so far.

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On 2025-06-15 4:21 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-06-15 4:11 p.m., Real_Mardin wrote:

The heat is being described as unbearable. This is classic Rose Bowl!


RM

Yeah like you said, it was like 94 all over again.  I dunno these mid
day kick offs seem a bit unfair.  I mean cmon, up here on the Iceberg it
is 28C in the shade this afternoon!

But PSG look good for their 2-0 lead so far.

PSG win 4-0 and i wont say they didnt deserve the win, but Atletico went
down to 10 in the 2nd half, missed a sitter at 2-0 and PSG scored the
4th goal from one of those terrible English Handball calls.

So I guess it turns out my East Coast is for FIFA CWC and West Coast for
Gold Cup theory is wrong. We had this game in the sweltering mid day
heat in California and we will have a game in Seattle tonight. Though
it does seem the Gold Cup games are being played in the West, including Vancouver.

Brazilian double header coming up.

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Botafogo- Seattle is on too late / early for this GMT time zone
correspondent, so I’m signing off and handing over to our North American correspondents. Good night everyone!


RM

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FT:

Palmeiras 0 - Porto 0


Don’t let the score fool you, this was an engaging match where both
sides had good attacking play which was cancelled out by equally good
defensive play. In many ways it was “the perfect 0-0”.


RM

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Does the American viewer prefer a 10-0 over a 0-0?




On 2025-06-15 5:14 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-06-15 4:21 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-06-15 4:11 p.m., Real_Mardin wrote:

The heat is being described as unbearable. This is classic Rose Bowl!


RM

Yeah like you said, it was like 94 all over again.  I dunno these mid
day kick offs seem a bit unfair.  I mean cmon, up here on the Iceberg
it is 28C in the shade this afternoon!

But PSG look good for their 2-0 lead so far.

PSG win 4-0 and i wont say they didnt deserve the win, but Atletico went
down to 10 in the 2nd half, missed a sitter at 2-0 and PSG scored the
4th goal from one of those terrible English Handball calls.

So I guess it turns out my East Coast is for FIFA CWC and West Coast for
Gold Cup theory is wrong.  We had this game in the sweltering mid day
heat in California and we will have a game in Seattle tonight.  Though
it does seem the Gold Cup games are being played in the West, including Vancouver.

Brazilian double header coming up.

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On 2025-06-15 10:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:05:01 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

Up next is Bayern v Aukland City Amateurs

40 minutes in, Bayern up 4-0. More Oceania teams in the CWC!

5-0. The greatest ever Fantasy Scout pick on the board.

Giroud is playing for BAYERN ??

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 0:02:11 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

Botafogo- Seattle is on too late / early for this GMT time zone correspondent, so I’m signing off and handing over to our North American correspondents. Good night everyone!

RM

I streamed the repeat this morning - good match, Botafogo took a 2-0
lead in the first half with two headed goals but Seattle really came at
them in the second half, pulled a goal back themselves (a deflected
header) to set up a grandstand finish. Seattle spent the last 15 minutes knocking on the door and very nearly equalised but for some heroics from
the Botafogo keeper.


Another competitive match and a good advert for the tournament.


FT:

Botafogo 2 - Seattle 1


RM

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 0:05:27 +0000, MH wrote:

On 2025-06-15 10:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:05:01 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

Up next is Bayern v Aukland City Amateurs

40 minutes in, Bayern up 4-0. More Oceania teams in the CWC!

5-0. The greatest ever Fantasy Scout pick on the board.

Giroud is playing for BAYERN ??

If we are going strictly by number of FS points, the top 5 would be:

Neymar 207
Giroud 192
Griezmann 181
Kane 180
Muller 176

(that's two picks by FMFSFC, none by MVFSFC, but who's counting...)

But, as a famous man once said, the FS scoring system is brilliant, but
it is not perfect. And with all due respect for the top four, none of
them has been as influential as Muller, so much so as to have a specific
role in Football Manager named after him, or have the typically dour
Jonathan Wilson write something like the following:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jun/14/auf-wiedersehen-thomas-muller-germanys-dreammaker-who-found-goals-in-space

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On 2025-06-16 08:41, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 0:05:27 +0000, MH wrote:

On 2025-06-15 10:47, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jun 2025 15:05:01 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

Up next is Bayern v Aukland City Amateurs

40 minutes in, Bayern up 4-0. More Oceania teams in the CWC!

5-0. The greatest ever Fantasy Scout pick on the board.

Giroud is playing for BAYERN ??

If we are going strictly by number of FS points, the top 5 would be:

Neymar 207
Giroud 192
Griezmann 181
Kane 180
Muller 176

Ah, but how does one judge "greatest pick" as opposed to best
performance? I mean Neymar was destined for greatness, it was just a
question of who was quickest on the draw. What about considering the improbability (at the time of picking) that a given player (especially considering the options available to that national team) would amass a
huge number of points ?

(that's two picks by FMFSFC, none by MVFSFC, but who's counting...)

But, as a famous man once said, the FS scoring system is brilliant, but
it is not perfect. And with all due respect for the top four, none of
them has been as influential as Muller, so much so as to have a specific
role in Football Manager named after him, or have the typically dour
Jonathan Wilson write something like the following:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2025/jun/14/auf-wiedersehen-thomas- muller-germanys-dreammaker-who-found-goals-in-space

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 14:52:32 +0000, MH wrote:

Ah, but how does one judge "greatest pick" as opposed to best
performance? I mean Neymar was destined for greatness, it was just a question of who was quickest on the draw. What about considering the improbability (at the time of picking) that a given player (especially considering the options available to that national team) would amass a
huge number of points ?

If only somebody had developed a method to predict future national team
caps and goals given all we know about a player at a given point in
time, then maybe we could give a precise answer to your question...

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This is a big match in the MSGA tournament today!

Blueshirts Favourite team vs Mark's third favourite team!

By the way are there 3 Brazilian teams in this thing? Not even the
WWEpl got that many!

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34 minutes:


Through ball from deep in midfield releases Pedro Neto who deceives his
marker and shoots past the keeper to put Chelsea 1-0 up.


RM

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12 minutes played in Atlanta, Chelsea 0 - LAFC 0


Just how many empty seats?!? It’s like an AFCON first round match
without the mitigation of average earnings vs the cost of the tickets!


RM

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On 2025-06-16 3:18 p.m., Real_Mardin wrote:

12 minutes played in Atlanta, Chelsea 0 - LAFC 0

Just how many empty seats?!? It’s like an AFCON first round match
without the mitigation of average earnings vs the cost of the tickets!

RM

It is. I have played in games with more spectators! WTF!

And to be honest i am sitting outside not even watching the game, coming
in to the climate controlled fakeness o fthe tv lounge, drinking
Bitburger and grilling Croatian Polish ground beef and vegiies. It is a
nice not too hot today on the Iceberg


But apparently 1-0 to Chelsea at HT.

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Binder Dundat wrote:

This is a big match in the MSGA tournament today!

Blueshirts Favourite team vs Mark's third favourite team!

Or in other words, Mark's 498th favourite team against his
third favourite team...

I have it on... the stadium is half-empty and at half-time the
UEFA Conference League Champions are beating the LA Kings 1-0.

It's the first InfanToto-Continental World Cup match that
I have watched live (Ch 5) and my excitement level is only at
four so far.

By the way are there 3 Brazilian teams in this thing? Not
even the WWEpl got that many!

It's a fix!!!

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Real_Mardin wrote:

12 minutes played in Atlanta, Chelsea 0 - LAFC 0

Just how many empty seats?!? It’s like an AFCON first round
match without the mitigation of average earnings vs the cost
of the tickets!

This match has really grabbed the interest of the locals...
I'd say they couldn't give the tickets away.

I blame Todd Boehly... he should have brought Ronaldo instead
of Delap... that would have got some more Yank bums on seats, and
sold a few more jerseys too... ker-ching! $$ (You missed a trick
there Todd!)

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79 minutes, Chelsea cross from the right, Enzo Fernandez controls the
ball and taps past the keeper to make it 2-0 Chelsea.


RM

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Real_Mardin wrote:

79 minutes, Chelsea cross from the right, Enzo Fernandez
controls the ball and taps past the keeper to make it 2-0
Chelsea.

That was enough.

Job done. The Blueshirt's start their end of season exhibition
tour of the USA with a victory.

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 20:42:40 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

Well, no, but he's playing in the tournament.
And his team is giving Chelsea a game.

Obviously LAFC is not Auckland, but it looks as it has been a relatively comfortable afternoon for the Blues (at least based on the little chart
on SofaScore).

On the other hand, I am quite curious about how Benfica vs Boca will
unfold. The first UEFA-CONMEBOL matchup ended in a 0-0 draw, with
Palmeiras the winner on points based on most accounts. But Benfica
should be slightly better than Porto, and Boca slightly worse than
Palmeiras. Boca will have a pretty strong home crowd factor in Miami.

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FT:

Chelsea 2 - LAFC 0


LAFC did squander a chance to equalise just before Chelsea added a
second, but basically a predictable result.


RM

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On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 21:01:21 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On the other hand, I am quite curious about how Benfica vs Boca will
unfold. The first UEFA-CONMEBOL matchup ended in a 0-0 draw, with
Palmeiras the winner on points based on most accounts. But Benfica
should be slightly better than Porto, and Boca slightly worse than
Palmeiras. Boca will have a pretty strong home crowd factor in Miami.

29 minutes in, Boca up 2-0. As expected, the Hard Rock stadium is hard
rocking with Boca fans.

Maybe the snobbish (northern) Europeans should take notice and realize
that they are missing out big time by dissing this competition?

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On 2025-06-16 5:01 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 20:42:40 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

  Well, no, but he's playing in the tournament.
  And his team is giving Chelsea a game.

Obviously LAFC is not Auckland, but it looks as it has been a relatively comfortable afternoon for the Blues (at least based on the little chart
on SofaScore).

On the other hand, I am quite curious about how Benfica vs Boca will
unfold. The first UEFA-CONMEBOL matchup ended in a 0-0 draw, with
Palmeiras the winner on points based on most accounts. But Benfica
should be slightly better than Porto, and Boca slightly worse than
Palmeiras. Boca will have a pretty strong home crowd factor in Miami.

I think you can safely say that Boca is the greatest team in the history
of club football

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Binder Dundat <dundat@mail.com> wrote:

On 2025-06-16 5:01 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 16 Jun 2025 20:42:40 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

  Well, no, but he's playing in the tournament.
  And his team is giving Chelsea a game.

Obviously LAFC is not Auckland, but it looks as it has been a relatively
comfortable afternoon for the Blues (at least based on the little chart
on SofaScore).

On the other hand, I am quite curious about how Benfica vs Boca will
unfold. The first UEFA-CONMEBOL matchup ended in a 0-0 draw, with
Palmeiras the winner on points based on most accounts. But Benfica
should be slightly better than Porto, and Boca slightly worse than
Palmeiras. Boca will have a pretty strong home crowd factor in Miami.

I think you can safely say that Boca is the greatest team in the history
of club football

The first match that had a bit of that classic
'clash of football cultures‘ feel to it.

But telling that it was two World Cup winners from
Argentina that salvaged the draw for Benfica.
(even though it was strange that Di María appeared
to be a bit bewildered by some of his fellow
countrymen‘s antics - shouldn’t he know?)


Ciao,
Werner

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Real_Mardin wrote:

FT:

Chelsea 2 - LAFC 0

LAFC did squander a chance to equalise just before Chelsea
added a second, but basically a predictable result.

Yeah, LA had some chances but overall it seemed comfortable
enough for the boys in blue...

Liam Delap looked sharp once he came on... they gave him the
dreaded #9 shirt so I hope he can do a bit better than the last
guy that wore it! (Aubameyang)

The new kit looked nice too, one of Nike's better efforts...
I will deffo have to get one of those blue shirts before my
holiday!

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In article <xn0p75hn0310oq3000@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

Real_Mardin wrote:

FT:

Chelsea 2 - LAFC 0


LAFC did squander a chance to equalise just before Chelsea
added a second, but basically a predictable result.

Yeah, LA had some chances but overall it seemed comfortable
enough for the boys in blue...

Liam Delap looked sharp once he came on... they gave him the
dreaded #9 shirt so I hope he can do a bit better than the last
guy that wore it! (Aubameyang)

The new kit looked nice too, one of Nike's better efforts...
I will deffo have to get one of those blue shirts before my
holiday!

Yeah Blues!!
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On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:30:12 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-06-17 10:57 a.m., Jesus Petry wrote:

On 17/06/2025 09:30, JesusPetry wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 9:17:20 +0000, Werner Pichler wrote:

But telling that it was two World Cup winners from
Argentina that salvaged the draw for Benfica.
(even though it was strange that Di María appeared
to be a bit bewildered by some of his fellow
countrymen‘s antics - shouldn’t he know?)

He does know. But he also knows that Argentina finally won trophies
again when they learned how to moderate on those. Boca yesterday were
too transparent.

 Also cool about this game: Otamendi was living the dream. Won a
penalty and scored a goal to stop his childhood rivals from winning!

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

Decent turn out for the Flu vs BVB match, they even have a bit of a
yellow wall in the end zone.

Yeah, it looks a good atmosphere. It’s starting to become clear which
sets of supporters are taking this tournament seriously and which think
it’s all a bit too much bother.


RM

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On 2025-06-17 10:57 a.m., Jesus Petry wrote:

On 17/06/2025 09:30, JesusPetry wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 9:17:20 +0000, Werner Pichler wrote:

But telling that it was two World Cup winners from
Argentina that salvaged the draw for Benfica.
(even though it was strange that Di María appeared
to be a bit bewildered by some of his fellow
countrymen‘s antics - shouldn’t he know?)

He does know. But he also knows that Argentina finally won trophies
again when they learned how to moderate on those. Boca yesterday were
too transparent.

 Also cool about this game: Otamendi was living the dream. Won a
penalty and scored a goal to stop his childhood rivals from winning!

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

Decent turn out for the Flu vs BVB match, they even have a bit of a
yellow wall in the end zone.

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:58:26 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

I have to confess my main hope for this tournament is that European
clubs notice how awesome De Arrascaeta and Arias are and take them away before we have to play against them in the cups.

Full slate of matches today:

BVB-FLU: Round 3 of UEFA-CONMEBOL, 0-0 at the 63'. I actually thought
this was the one where UEFA would make its higher $$$ count, but it
looks like a pretty balanced affair, with maybe even Flu with the slight
edge.

River - Urawa Red Diamonds
Should be an easy one for River

Mamelodi Sundowns - Ulsan
The magic of the CWC!

Inter - Monterrey:
How will Inter cope with a new manager and an exhausted roster in a CONCACAF-style away atmosphere? I'm almost tempted to predict the first
UEFA slip-up here, but the Virgins are far too strong and they will
come out on top.

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 17:34:31 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 16:58:26 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

I have to confess my main hope for this tournament is that European
clubs notice how awesome De Arrascaeta and Arias are and take them away
before we have to play against them in the cups.

Full slate of matches today:

BVB-FLU: Round 3 of UEFA-CONMEBOL, 0-0 at the 63'. I actually thought
this was the one where UEFA would make its higher $$$ count, but it
looks like a pretty balanced affair, with maybe even Flu with the slight edge.

FT: 0-0

Hard to argue that the mid-tier of UEFA teams are a lot better than the CONMEBOL teams, as TransferMarkt values would suggest.


(We need Anders to produce his confederation vs. confederation tables!)

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River Plate - Urawa Red Diamonds just kicked off in Seattle. Doesn’t
look like a sell out but it’s making up for it by the supporters of each
side creating an atmosphere worthy of any World Cup.


RM

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On Tue, 17 Jun 2025 18:46:29 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

The timing of this tournament is more friendly to the South American calendar - teams are in midseason. In recent intercontinental
tournaments, the gap between Europe and the rest of the world was
compounded by an awful timing for CONMEBOL, with teams unable even to
prepare for the change of time zone, because they were finishing
important tournaments a week before (in some cases even less).

Also home-continent advantage.

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11 minutes, River cross from the left, Colidio runs into the box and
heads the ball into the net to put River Plate 1-0 up.



RM

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58 minutes, River defender body checks a Red Diamonds player to gift
Red Diamonds a penalty which Matsuo coverted to make it 2-1 River Plate.


RM

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48 minutes, Red Diamonds defender flicks a defensive header toward his
own keeper only for Driussi to intercept and head in for 2-0. Driussi
did take a stray hand to the face from the keeper and hurt his ankle on
landing so bad he had to substituted, so he very much suffered for his
goal, bit he’s put River Plate 2-0 up.



RM

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Meza headed in a third to make it 3-1 River Plate.

Say what you want but these midday kickoffs from America look so
aesthetically pleasing, it's like the sun shines brighter over in
America or something. If this is a preview for what next summer's World
Cup is going to look like then I think we're all in for a treat.


RM

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On 2025-06-17 5:18 p.m., Real_Mardin wrote:

Meza headed in a third to make it 3-1 River Plate.

Say what you want but these midday kickoffs from America look so aesthetically pleasing, it's like the sun shines brighter over in
America or something. If this is a preview for what next summer's World
Cup is going to look like then I think we're all in for a treat.

RM

There is nothing pleasing about America, dont be fooled by the Hollywood
sun.

Monterrey 1 - 1 Inter HT

Say what you will about Serigo Ramos, but at least he is playing in a
real league for his retirement Football. Unlike some others I can think
of cough cough Messi, Ronaldo.

Not as packed a Rose Bowl as the earlier match or as one would think
with a Mexican team playing and the match not being played at noon in
the midday sun-still looks hot though. The lack of Mexican fans
probably has a lot to do with all the USA ICE agents hovering around all
the stadiums arresting people who dont look big, fat, white and ugly.

The South African team won earlier vs the Korean team, we are working on getting the names of those teams. What we can say, is that looking at it
from a liga perspective, the Bundesliga is the top liga in this Cup, not
only scoring the most goals, but also conceding the fewest.

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Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-06-17 5:18 p.m., Real_Mardin wrote:

Meza headed in a third to make it 3-1 River Plate.

Say what you want but these midday kickoffs from America
look so aesthetically pleasing, it's like the sun shines
brighter over in America or something. If this is a preview
for what next summer's World Cup is going to look like then
I think we're all in for a treat.

There is nothing pleasing about America, dont be fooled by the
Hollywood sun.

Not just Hollywood.... Chelsea's next game on their US Tour is
in Philadelphia on Friday, and as anyone who likes comedy TV
shows knows... it's always sunny in Philadelphia!

:-)

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Al Hilal holding Real Madrid to a 1-1 draw at half time in Miami.


RM

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On 2025-06-18 4:02 p.m., Real_Mardin wrote:

Al Hilal holding Real Madrid to a 1-1 draw at half time in Miami.

RM

It is really hot out on the Iceberg, I thik they are sayin a 38C
humidex. But yeah it ended 1-1, I saw the last 3 minutes or so. Did
Terrence Terent play?


I thibk the next match is what the world really wants to see.

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On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 20:02:06 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

Al Hilal holding Real Madrid to a 1-1 draw at half time in Miami.

FT 1-1, with Bounou saving a Valverde penalty in injury time. Penalty
was pretty soft, apparently Real Madrid money > Saudi money

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Messi has just put Inter Miami 2-1 up against Porto with a goal from a
free kick. Good game so far. 55 minutes played.



RM

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On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:23:07 +0000, JesusPetry wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:18:48 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

Messi has just put Inter Miami 2-1 up against Porto with a goal from a
free kick. Good game so far. 55 minutes played.

Miami - Palmeiras biscotto in the works?

The recipe book is open at the right page and all the ingredients are
laid out on the table.

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Two matches were temporarily suspended for thunder storms - Salzburg 2 - Pachuca 1 in Cincinnati and Palmeiras 2 - El Ahly 0 in New Jersey. Can
we expect more of this at next summer’s World Cup?


Juventus best Al Ain 5-0.


Palmeiras - Al Ahly had a decent atmosphere with the Palmeiras fans in
fine voice, it’s becoming clear those who thought this tournament would
be some sort of glorified pre-season friendly were wrong.



RM

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FT:

Inter Miami 2 - Porto 1


Porto had all the possession and more chances but Inter Miami come away
with the win.

The moral of this story is if you can’t outplay the other side, have
Messi and Suarez up front.


RM

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On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 21:03:07 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:23:07 +0000, JesusPetry wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:18:48 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

Messi has just put Inter Miami 2-1 up against Porto with a goal from a
free kick. Good game so far. 55 minutes played.

Miami - Palmeiras biscotto in the works?

The recipe book is open at the right page and all the ingredients are
laid out on the table.

By the way, this is the first time a UEFA team loses to a
non-UEFA/CONMEBOL team in the CWC. Add that to the list of Leo Messi
career achievements.

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On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:23:07 +0000, JesusPetry wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:18:48 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

Messi has just put Inter Miami 2-1 up against Porto with a goal from a
free kick. Good game so far. 55 minutes played.

Miami - Palmeiras biscotto in the works?

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

--

Good spot!

They “shouldn’t” of course, but then it would prove they’re taking the tournament seriously if they do!


RM

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It is good to see a proper 9 PM normal timke Ko game being a proper
match. I have nto seen any game yet today cus, it is summer and I am
enjoying the outside. But I will try and watch the 9PM game and hope all
the afternoon beers will not put me down early.


On 2025-06-19 5:27 p.m., Real_Mardin wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:23:07 +0000, JesusPetry wrote:

On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 20:18:48 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

Messi has just put Inter Miami 2-1 up against Porto with a goal from a
free kick. Good game so far. 55 minutes played.

 Miami - Palmeiras biscotto in the works?

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

--

Good spot!

They “shouldn’t” of course, but then it would prove they’re taking the
tournament seriously if they do!

RM

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On 6/19/2025 10:50 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 6/19/2025 10:34 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:

66 minutes in, Botafogo up 1-0 thanks to a first-half Igor Jesus goal.
PSG pushing pretty hard for the equalizer, but for the moment Botfogo
is defending deep and well, and not conceding too much.

If the result holds, this is very bad news for Atleti.

Unfortunately, FIFA has adopted UEFA's silly tiebreaking rules, with head-to-head results first. Funny stuff could happen. If results stand, Atleti would need to beat Botafogo by three clear goals to advance
(assuming PSG beats Seattle).

FT: 1-0 Botafogo. O glorioso does it. Lots of pressure by PSG in the
final minutes, but with little to show in terms of actual chances created.

PSG are through if they beat Seattle, Atleti needs a 3-goal win to
advance. Very interesting.

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On 6/19/2025 10:34 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:

66 minutes in, Botafogo up 1-0 thanks to a first-half Igor Jesus goal.
PSG pushing pretty hard for the equalizer, but for the moment Botfogo is defending deep and well, and not conceding too much.

If the result holds, this is very bad news for Atleti.

Unfortunately, FIFA has adopted UEFA's silly tiebreaking rules, with head-to-head results first. Funny stuff could happen. If results stand,
Atleti would need to beat Botafogo by three clear goals to advance
(assuming PSG beats Seattle).

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On 6/19/2025 7:26 PM, Lléo wrote:

Well, there is the small matter of whether they'll consider trying to
avoid PSG on the next round. If that matters, then in principle Inter
Miami shouldn't settle for a dr... for a cookie. Conditional too, of
course, on whether Botafogo does something funny later tonight or not.

66 minutes in, Botafogo up 1-0 thanks to a first-half Igor Jesus goal.
PSG pushing pretty hard for the equalizer, but for the moment Botfogo is defending deep and well, and not conceding too much.

If the result holds, this is very bad news for Atleti.

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Lléo decided to remind us:

I think this is the first time the European Champions League
winner loses a competition match to a team from elsewhere in
the world since Corinthians vs Chelsea 2012.

https://ichef.bbci.co.uk/ace/standard/624/mcs/media/images/66127000/jpg/_66127517_rafa-getty.jpg.webp

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Real_Mardin <realmardinrss@proton.me> wrote:

Two matches were temporarily suspended for thunder storms - Salzburg 2 - Pachuca 1 in Cincinnati

Salzburg (the second best team in Europe’s 13th
best league) acquitted themselves way better than I
expected, and a shout out to 18-year-old reserve
keeper Christian Zawieschitzky.

A bit disappointed by Pachuca though, I was led to
expect a Rocking CONCACAF Champions League
winner and raucous LigaMX atmosphere?

At least the rainbow was nice.


Ciao,
Werner

and Palmeiras 2 - El Ahly 0 in New Jersey. Can
we expect more of this at next summer’s World Cup?

Juventus best Al Ain 5-0.

Palmeiras - Al Ahly had a decent atmosphere with the Palmeiras fans in
fine voice, it’s becoming clear those who thought this tournament would
be some sort of glorified pre-season friendly were wrong.

RM

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Quoting Real_Mardin in rec.sport.soccer:

To be fair you can watch every game live on a
free account

Does one have to surrender a card number to get the free accont?


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Real_Mardin wrote:

After quite a few well atttended games

I saw a stat earlier - in regards to attendances and stadium
capacity - that only six of the first sixteen games in the CWC
were over 80% full.

So far, (before today) the lowest attendance was 3,412 for the
mighty Ulsan HD v Mamelodi match-up in Orlando, followed by
5,282 for Pachuca v Salisburgo in Cincinnati... whilst the
highest was 62,415 for the Real Madrid v Al Hilal game. So some
US cities have not taken to these CWC games at all... or the
tickets cost too much!

I would expect the attendances to pick up in the knock-out
stages though...

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After quite a few well atttended games Benfica- Auckland in Orlando is
looking distinctly AFCON, with rows and rows of empty seats. Benfica
seem to be trying to break some sort of record for missing easy chances.

35 minutes played 0-0.


RM

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 14:44:21 +0000, anders t wrote:

Quoting Real_Mardin in rec.sport.soccer:

To be fair you can watch every game live on a
free account

Does one have to surrender a card number to get the free accont?

No, just an e-mail address.


RM

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Just when it looked like Auckland had survived the first half without
going behind, in injury time they give away a penalty for a reckless
challenge *just* inside the area. Di Maria converts to put Benfica 1-0
up at half time.



RM

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:12:50 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

And yet again another match is suspended due to the threat of a
thunderstorm! The fans in Orlando have evacuated indoors!

RM

It was a long time ago but I don’t remember any matches being suspended
due to adverse weather at USA 94?

The weather related issue I do recall was fans literally passing out
through heat stroke.


RM

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And yet again another match is suspended due to the threat of a
thunderstorm! The fans in Orlando have evacuated indoors!


RM

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:39:40 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:12:50 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

It was a long time ago but I don’t remember any matches being suspended
due to adverse weather at USA 94?

Is it possible that at the time there was less awareness of the risks of playing in a thunderstorm? "A couple of lightning bolts, how bad can it
be, you're a professional footballer, just play through it!"

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Meanwhile, over in a sunny Philadelphia, Bruno Henrique has tapped in to equalise for Flamengo against Chelsea. 65 minutes played 1-1. Great
scenes from the Flamengo fans.


STOP PRESS


Danilo has just tapped in a Bruno Henrique header to put Flamengo 2-1
up!


RM

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 19:06:19 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:39:40 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 17:12:50 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

It was a long time ago but I don’t remember any matches being suspended
due to adverse weather at USA 94?

Is it possible that at the time there was less awareness of the risks of playing in a thunderstorm? "A couple of lightning bolts, how bad can it
be, you're a professional footballer, just play through it!"

LOL

Then a flash of lightning and an almighty crack of thunder......where
the centre forward once stood is just a pair of football boots with
smoke rising from them...


RM

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Lléo <llb.moura@gmail.com> wrote:

On 20/06/2025 00:06, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 6/19/2025 10:50 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 6/19/2025 10:34 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:

66 minutes in, Botafogo up 1-0 thanks to a first-half Igor Jesus
goal. PSG pushing pretty hard for the equalizer, but for the moment
Botfogo is defending deep and well, and not conceding too much.

If the result holds, this is very bad news for Atleti.

Unfortunately, FIFA has adopted UEFA's silly tiebreaking rules, with
head-to-head results first. Funny stuff could happen. If results
stand, Atleti would need to beat Botafogo by three clear goals to
advance (assuming PSG beats Seattle).

FT: 1-0 Botafogo. O glorioso does it. Lots of pressure by PSG in the
final minutes, but with little to show in terms of actual chances created. >>
PSG are through if they beat Seattle, Atleti needs a 3-goal win to
advance. Very interesting.

Indeed. Historic win for Botafogo and they well should celebrate it, but
also they must not allow this huge confidence boost become a confidence overdose. They still need to take the last group stage match very
seriously, or else count on Seattle to do something funny on that same
night (not even that funny, one point for Seattle suffices for Botafogo
to advance regardless of their own result, but that looks unlikely).

I think this is the first time the European Champions League winner
loses a competition match to a team from elsewhere in the world since Corinthians vs Chelsea 2012. Could that be right?

Chelsea right now are like ‘can we get that record
back?’

Ciao,
Werner

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68 minutes, Nicolas Jackson (Chelsea) stamps on a Flamengo player and
receives a straight red card! It’s all going wrong for Chelsea!


RM

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84 minutes, the balk seems to find Wallace Yan quite by a accident in
the area, he doesn’t squander his chance - 3-1 Flamengo!


RM

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 11:36:50 +0000, Werner Pichler wrote:

Real_Mardin <realmardinrss@proton.me> wrote:

A bit disappointed by Pachuca though, I was led to
expect a Rocking CONCACAF Champions League
winner and raucous LigaMX atmosphere?

So far, CONMEBOL fans >> CONCACAF fans. It helps when your team is
winning.

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FT:

Flamengo 3 - Chelsea 1


CONMEBOL beat UEFA again!


And the speculation that CONMEBOL has an advantage because they’re in
the middle of the season has begun!


RM

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And in the other game, where the half time break took two and half hours
due to a storm, Benfica ran out 6-0 winners over Auckland. Auckland are
now eliminated.



RM

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Real_Mardin wrote:

FT:

Flamengo 3 - Chelsea 1

The better team won.

CONMEBOL beat UEFA again!

<shrugs>

I wouldn't worry about that sort of thing.

And the speculation that CONMEBOL has an advantage
because they’re in the middle of the season has begun!

When Chelsea lost in Japan in 2012 that tournament was in
the middle of the Premier League season.

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Werner Pichler wrote:

Lléo <llb.moura@gmail.com> wrote:

I think this is the first time the European Champions League
winner loses a competition match to a team from elsewhere in
the world since Corinthians vs Chelsea 2012. Could that be
right?

Chelsea right now are like ‘can we get that record
back?’

Only saw the game this morning as we were out last night,
but they didn't do enough after taking the lead, one goal
is never enough. Maybe 11 v 11 they might have had a chance...

Nicholas Jackson is a liability, I'd sell him. He doesn't
score enough and gets too many yellow and red cards.

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Jesus Petry wrote:

On 20/06/2025 17:19, Real_Mardin wrote:

FT:

Flamengo 3 -  Chelsea 1

CONMEBOL beat UEFA again!

And the speculation that CONMEBOL has an advantage because
they’re in the middle of the season has begun!

Yes, it does.
But so did UEFA in recent December tournaments.

If a Brazilian team wins this CWC some people in Europe
(especially the British media) will say stuff about CONMEBOL
teams having an advantage, or that the heat helps them, but
Flamengo looked a classy side and were the better team in last
night's game.

Chelsea imploding after a crazy ten minutes is not because of
any CONMEBOL advantage conspiracy theory!

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On Fri, 20 Jun 2025 23:04:26 +0000, Lléo wrote:

Abel Ferreira mentioned it after the Palmeiras vs Porto game: true,
Porto had played 50 games in the 2024/25 season, but Palmeiras already
had 36 under their belts in 2025 alone. The other Brazilian teams' game
loads are similar, and Boca and River are slightly lighter.

PSG and Chelsea are on slightly heavier loads (around 60, 10 games more
than Porto), but again, these extra games are also distributed over a
period 6 months longer.

One expects that kind of thing to make a difference, sure, but it
doesn't look like it's enough to explain, alone, the results we're
seeing, is it? And, as you say, that argument gets flipped right on its
head when one considers the CWC/IC's held in December.

I think there's a mental fatigue aspect to it that goes beyond the
number of games. Becomes even more important when you view the CWC as a meaningless exhibition on par with summer preseason friendlies. Then
it's really just eating up into your vacation, and the last thing you
want to do is slog it out in 90-degree weather when nobody at home seems
to care very much.

Anyway, despite mental fatigue and everything, Bayern was a class above
Boca yesterday. But football being football, Boca almost pulled off an improbable upset with almost their only counterattack of the game.
Eventually Olise got the game-winner with 6 minutes left. This didn't
dampen the enthusiasm of the Boca fans, who dale-dale-oohd from the 1st
to the 90th minute and beyond. CONMEBOL fans the big big winners on the
stands, without a doubt.

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On Sat, 21 Jun 2025 17:23:07 +0000, JesusPetry wrote:

Mamelodi are so fun to watch. Too bad they're so error prone.

Tchau!
Jesus Petry

--

When they took the lead I thought we might have another upset on our
hands. Then their keeper basically just passed the ball to the Dortmund
forward :(

FT:

Mamelodi Sundowns 3 - Borussia Dortmund 4


RM

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So 6 minutes into Real Madrid- Pachuca, Ascensio (Real Madrid) has got
himself sent off. Could this be a leveller?


RM

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On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 19:11:49 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

So 6 minutes into Real Madrid- Pachuca, Ascensio (Real Madrid) has got himself sent off. Could this be a leveller?

RM

Apparently not as Bellingham has put Real Madrid 1-0 up after 35
minutes.


RM

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You wouldn’t tell Real Madrid were a man down from the way they just
passed the ball around to set up Arda Guler to make it 2-0. Halftime
coming up.


RM

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Pachuca did have their chances, but it finished 3-1 to Real Madrid.


RM

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 0:18:24 +0000, Werner Pichler wrote:

On 22.06.2025 23:52, Real_Mardin wrote:

Pachuca did have their chances, but it finished 3-1 to Real Madrid.

Salzburg (with four Danes and one Swede)

hmm...

*yeah, Real Madrid and Salzburg could in theory now go for a 2-2
biscotti,

Just an accident that you mentioned that Salzburg has 4 Danes and a
Swede?

Anyway, Inter and River also can do a 2-2 biscotto to eliminate
Monterrey. (Palmeiras and Miami can also do a simple "any draw" biscotto
to advance together to the next round, but that's not dependent on the
silly HTH rule)

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I think it is amazing that Gundogan is still ManCs best player.

i think we are at the end of 2nd round matches and I am not surprised
at all that the South American teams are doing well, but I am
disappointed in the CONCACF player performances, it is like they dont
even want to impress the EURO scouts?

I dont know what it is like in Atalanta, but here on the Iceberg, it is
25C at 10PM at night!

On 2025-06-22 9:06 p.m., Werner Pichler wrote:

On 23.06.2025 02:50, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 0:18:24 +0000, Werner Pichler wrote:

On 22.06.2025 23:52, Real_Mardin wrote:

Pachuca did have their chances, but it finished 3-1 to Real Madrid.

Salzburg (with four Danes and one Swede)

hmm...

*yeah, Real Madrid and Salzburg could in theory now go for a 2-2
biscotti,

Just an accident that you mentioned that Salzburg has 4 Danes and a
Swede?ightimr

Believe it or not, but it was. I just find the massive Danish flavour
in our league interesting (two-times champions* Sturm Graz have long
jumped onto the bandwagon as well with Højlund, Biereth, Bøving,
Chukwuani, Beck).

Anyway, Inter and River also can do a 2-2 biscotto to eliminate
Monterrey.

Yeah but how many Danes and Swedes do they have?

Ciao,
Werner

*it was not an accident that I mentioned that.

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On Sun, 22 Jun 2025 3:29:19 +0000, marika wrote:

Borussia Dortmund win first ever at Club World Cup

Well it would be, they've never played at the Club World Cup before.
They won the Intercontinental Cup in 1997, that's the only other time
they've played in a World Club Championship.

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 17:20:50 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

AFC CAF CCC CMB OFC UEF
AFC xxx 001 000 002 000 023
CAF 100 xxx 110 002 000 003
CCC 000 011 xxx 011 000 114
CMB 200 200 110 xxx 000 231
OFC 000 000 000 000 xxx 002
UEF 320 300 411 132 200 101

PSG taking care of business against Seattle, Atleti unable to break
down's Botafogo's defense. With about 5 minutes + injury time left, it's Botafogo 1st, PSG second in Group B.

All matches from here onward move to the cauldron that is the East
coast, so no really meaningful advantage in finishing 1st or 2nd (I
guess you'd rather play Inter Miami than Palmeiras, but there's always
the Messi factor...)

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 20:51:00 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 17:20:50 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

AFC CAF CCC CMB OFC UEF
AFC xxx 001 000 002 000 023
CAF 100 xxx 110 002 000 003
CCC 000 011 xxx 011 000 114
CMB 200 200 110 xxx 000 231
OFC 000 000 000 000 xxx 002
UEF 320 300 411 132 200 101

PSG taking care of business against Seattle, Atleti unable to break
down's Botafogo's defense. With about 5 minutes + injury time left, it's Botafogo 1st, PSG second in Group B.

Atletico take the lead in the 87th minute. They need two more in injury
time. But the goals sends PSG to first place, Botafogo 2nd

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On 2025-06-23 4:55 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 20:51:00 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 17:20:50 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

     AFC CAF CCC CMB OFC UEF
AFC xxx 001 000 002 000 023
CAF 100 xxx 110 002 000 003
CCC 000 011 xxx 011 000 114
CMB 200 200 110 xxx 000 231
OFC 000 000 000 000 xxx 002
UEF 320 300 411 132 200 101

PSG taking care of business against Seattle, Atleti unable to break
down's Botafogo's defense. With about 5 minutes + injury time left, it's
Botafogo 1st, PSG second in Group B.

Atletico take the lead in the 87th minute. They need two more in injury
time. But the goals sends PSG to first place, Botafogo 2nd

Was the bowl half empty or half full? The Rose Bowls was totally empty
and it looked as hot as it is here and it is 38C in the shade here!

So yeah PSG and Botafoga progress, from a toughish group. Seatle with 0 points, do nothing to make anyone feel any rockingness about the
CONCACAF, but it was always going to be tough.


In the late games group, we have not yet been able to confirm if both
Inter Messi and Palmerias already qualify or if the winner of the Porto
Al Alhy game has an actual chance of advancing?

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Atletico fail to qualify despite beating Botafogo 1-0, PSG beat Seattle
2-0 to win the group, and the Rose Bowl still looked iconic despite
hardly anybody being there.


RM

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:11:38 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

Atletico fail to qualify despite beating Botafogo 1-0, PSG beat Seattle
2-0 to win the group, and the Rose Bowl still looked iconic despite
hardly anybody being there.

RM

Although Rose Bowl worship to one side, just why was this crucial match
so empty? Have some of the visiting fans started to go home already (you
can only get so much time off work)? Did fans of either team just not
buy the tickets foreseeing their respective sides would already be
qualified or eliminated by now?


The locals at least have the excuse that the match kicked off at midday
on a Monday and didn't involve a home side.



RM

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:18:46 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-06-23 4:55 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 20:51:00 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 17:20:50 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

     AFC CAF CCC CMB OFC UEF
AFC xxx 001 000 002 000 023
CAF 100 xxx 110 002 000 003
CCC 000 011 xxx 011 000 114
CMB 200 200 110 xxx 000 231
OFC 000 000 000 000 xxx 002
UEF 320 300 411 132 200 101

PSG taking care of business against Seattle, Atleti unable to break
down's Botafogo's defense. With about 5 minutes + injury time left, it's >>> Botafogo 1st, PSG second in Group B.

Atletico take the lead in the 87th minute. They need two more in injury
time. But the goals sends PSG to first place, Botafogo 2nd

Was the bowl half empty or half full? The Rose Bowls was totally empty
and it looked as hot as it is here and it is 38C in the shade here!

So yeah PSG and Botafoga progress, from a toughish group. Seatle with 0 points, do nothing to make anyone feel any rockingness about the
CONCACAF, but it was always going to be tough.

In the late games group, we have not yet been able to confirm if both
Inter Messi and Palmerias already qualify or if the winner of the Porto
Al Alhy game has an actual chance of advancing?

Porto need to win and for Inter Miami to win.

Al Ahly need to win and for Palmeiras to win.

Even then goal differece could scupper them.


RM

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On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:38:51 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 21:18:46 +0000, Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-06-23 4:55 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 20:51:00 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 17:20:50 +0000, Jesus Petry wrote:

     AFC CAF CCC CMB OFC UEF
AFC xxx 001 000 002 000 023
CAF 100 xxx 110 002 000 003
CCC 000 011 xxx 011 000 114
CMB 200 200 110 xxx 000 231
OFC 000 000 000 000 xxx 002
UEF 320 300 411 132 200 101

PSG taking care of business against Seattle, Atleti unable to break
down's Botafogo's defense. With about 5 minutes + injury time left, it's >>>> Botafogo 1st, PSG second in Group B.

Atletico take the lead in the 87th minute. They need two more in injury
time. But the goals sends PSG to first place, Botafogo 2nd

Was the bowl half empty or half full? The Rose Bowls was totally empty
and it looked as hot as it is here and it is 38C in the shade here!

So yeah PSG and Botafoga progress, from a toughish group. Seatle with 0
points, do nothing to make anyone feel any rockingness about the
CONCACAF, but it was always going to be tough.


In the late games group, we have not yet been able to confirm if both
Inter Messi and Palmerias already qualify or if the winner of the Porto
Al Alhy game has an actual chance of advancing?

Porto need to win and for Inter Miami to win.

Al Ahly need to win and for Palmeiras to win.

Even then goal differece could scupper them.

RM

Also, the elephant in the room is that even if Porto or Al Ahly win
10-0, all Inter Miami and Palmeiras need to do is play out a stress free
draw and they'd both conveniently qualify.


RM

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On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 2:56:27 +0000, JesusPetry wrote:

Porto equalizes again, but it ends 2-2 in Miami and it's all settled:

87 minutes they made us think they were really going for it, and
then...One of the best biscottos ever!

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So today, it seems that Bayern and Benfica are playing for first and
second place. Unless bayern win and Boca gets a substantial score vs
the Auckland Amateurs, which is quite possible.

In the other group, it looks like Tunis and Chelsea are playing to
qualify and Flamengo are through in 1st place.

I dont know how the players are doing it. Here on the Iceberg, it is
38C in the shade, it was 28C when I woke up and it is even warmer if you
factor humidex. Oh I am longing for winter now. Must be a sign of
getting old. I would so rather be sitting outside with a parka on, even
the dog wants to be inside in the fake AC climate and he always wants to
be outside.

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On 2025-06-24 10:33 a.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

So today, it seems that Bayern and Benfica are playing for first and
second place.  Unless bayern win and Boca gets a substantial score vs
the Auckland Amateurs, which is quite possible.

In the other group, it looks like Tunis and Chelsea are playing to
qualify and Flamengo are through in 1st place.

I dont know how the players are doing it.  Here on the Iceberg, it is
38C in the shade, it was 28C when I woke up and it is even warmer if you factor humidex.  Oh I am longing for winter now.  Must be a sign of
getting old.  I would so rather be sitting outside with a parka on, even
the dog wants to be inside in the fake AC climate and he always wants to
be outside.

So just so Euros and S Americans can appreciate the temps. Half of
North AMerica is under heatwave conditions and the other half is
normally hot. THough i heard something about snow somewhere in the
Northwest of the Iceberg?

Look at a heat map of N America and you will see the heat.

Unless they have matches in Alaska, if you are playing at high noon, it
is hot out! DOnt do it! At least the Golden cup games are later in the
night when it is only 30C.

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Only Mad dogs an Englishman are out in this weather, so shouldnt Bayern
be winning?

Anyhow, Benfica scored first so can now try to pull of an Italian job.
For all their pressing bayern have had no shots according to the stats.
So as it stands Benfica win the group. Is this a European conspiracy
against the Argies?

Benfica 1 - 0 Bayern HT

On 2025-06-24 1:33 p.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-06-24 10:33 a.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

So today, it seems that Bayern and Benfica are playing for first and
second place.  Unless bayern win and Boca gets a substantial score vs
the Auckland Amateurs, which is quite possible.

In the other group, it looks like Tunis and Chelsea are playing to
qualify and Flamengo are through in 1st place.

I dont know how the players are doing it.  Here on the Iceberg, it is
38C in the shade, it was 28C when I woke up and it is even warmer if
you factor humidex.  Oh I am longing for winter now.  Must be a sign
of getting old.  I would so rather be sitting outside with a parka on,
even the dog wants to be inside in the fake AC climate and he always
wants to be outside.

So just so Euros and S Americans can appreciate the temps.  Half of
North AMerica is under heatwave conditions and the other half is
normally hot. THough i heard something about snow somewhere in the
Northwest of the Iceberg?

Look at a heat map of N America and you will see the heat.

Unless they have matches in Alaska, if you are playing at high noon, it
is hot out!  DOnt do it!  At least the Golden cup games are later in the night when it is only 30C.

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Binder Dundat wrote:

So just so Euros and S Americans can appreciate the temps.
Half of North AMerica is under heatwave conditions and the
other half is normally hot. THough i heard something about
snow somewhere in the Northwest of the Iceberg?

Look at a heat map of N America and you will see the heat.

Unless they have matches in Alaska, if you are playing at high
noon, it is hot out! DOnt do it! At least the Golden cup
games are later in the night when it is only 30C.

Games at midday in the USA in June seems like a mad idea.

I hope FIFA learn some lessons for next year's [proper] World
Cup... but at a guess, the European broadcasters demands, and
they money they pay, will trump player welfare.

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Binder Dundat wrote:

In the other group, it looks like Tunis and Chelsea are
playing to qualify and Flamengo are through in 1st place.

It's on at 2am so I won't get to see it... for me the result
will be a win/win though either way.

Qualify from the group: Great - it's always good to see Chelsea
do well and progress in tournaments.

Don't qualify from the group: Great - Enjoy your holiday lads
and get plenty of rest.

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On 2025-06-24 5:05 p.m., Jesus Petry wrote:

On 24/06/2025 17:00, Binder Dundat wrote:

Benfica 1 - 0 Bayern HT

 And that's how it ends!

It always amazes me how these bayern coaches do not know the oldest
saying in German Football?????

You will never win a match with Leroy Sane in the lineup.

 Bayern face Flamengo, Benfica face Chelsea or Espérance.

 In the other game, Auckland equalized (!!!) and there was a weather stoppage. Game to restart soon.

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

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Blueshirt wrote:

Binder Dundat wrote:

In the other group, it looks like Tunis and Chelsea are
playing to qualify and Flamengo are through in 1st place.

It's on at 2am so I won't get to see it... for me the result
will be a win/win though either way.

Qualify from the group: Great - it's always good to see Chelsea
do well and progress in tournaments.

Looks like our summer tour of the USA continues...

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Jesus Petry wrote:

On 24/06/2025 17:00, Binder Dundat wrote:

Benfica 1 - 0 Bayern HT

And that's how it ends!
Bayern face Flamengo, Benfica face Chelsea or Espérance.

I reckon there were mind games going on... Chelsea lose one
game and, hey presto, they avoid Bayern Munich in the last
sixteen.

Or, Bayern Munich lose one game and, hey presto, they avoid
Chelsea FC in the last sixteen.

Or, am I seeing patterns that are not there?! ;-)

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Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-06-24 5:05 p.m., Jesus Petry wrote:

On 24/06/2025 17:00, Binder Dundat wrote:

Benfica 1 - 0 Bayern HT

 And that's how it ends!

It always amazes me how these bayern coaches do not know the
oldest saying in German Football????

You will never win a match with Leroy Sane in the lineup.

Clearly Vincent Kompany wanted to avoid Chelsea in the last
sixteen and preferred the other half of the draw...

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Binder Dundat <dundat@mail.com> wrote:

On 2025-06-24 5:05 p.m., Jesus Petry wrote:

On 24/06/2025 17:00, Binder Dundat wrote:

Benfica 1 - 0 Bayern HT

 And that's how it ends!

It always amazes me how these bayern coaches do not know the oldest
saying in German Football?????

You will never win a match with Leroy Sane in the lineup.

https://x.com/MunichFanpage/status/1937616023089218035

Soon going to be Galatasaray‘s problem though.


Ciao,
Werner

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On 2025-06-24 08:33, Binder Dundat wrote:

So today, it seems that Bayern and Benfica are playing for first and
second place.  Unless bayern win and Boca gets a substantial score vs
the Auckland Amateurs, which is quite possible.

In the other group, it looks like Tunis and Chelsea are playing to
qualify and Flamengo are through in 1st place.

I dont know how the players are doing it.  Here on the Iceberg, it is
38C in the shade, it was 28C when I woke up and it is even warmer if you factor humidex.  Oh I am longing for winter now.  Must be a sign of
getting old.  I would so rather be sitting outside with a parka on, even
the dog wants to be inside in the fake AC climate and he always wants to
be outside.

Go west, young man ! 19 degrees here right now and went down to 11
overnight. No AC required. When we had a big rainstorm over the
weekend, the mountains got heaps of snow.

I was in Ottawa/Montreal last week and the humidity was terrible, though
the temperatures were more modest than the last few days. My son's kids
in Hamilton had no school MOnday and Tuesday due to high temperatures
and humidity.

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Lléo wrote:

On 24/06/2025 18:05, Jesus Petry wrote:

On 24/06/2025 17:00, Binder Dundat wrote:

Benfica 1 - 0 Bayern HT

 And that's how it ends!
 Bayern face Flamengo, Benfica face Chelsea or Espérance.

 In the other game, Auckland equalized (!!!) and there was a
weather stoppage. Game to restart soon.

It restarted as a friendly, since Benfica's win eliminated Boca. And
it ended thusly. 1-1, an embarassing moment for Boca and a historic
result for Auckland City.

Best regards,

Lléo

It was the first match I've watched; I went to bed about half an hour
after they stopped playing because of the weather and didn't see the
rest of the match. Did I miss much?

A good result I suppose though. My 16th favourite team, Benfica, are
through and my 14th favourite team's local rivals are out.

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On 6/25/2025 1:02 PM, Jesus Petry wrote:

On 24/06/2025 12:15, Jesus Petry wrote:

On 23/06/2025 14:20, Jesus Petry wrote:

On 17/06/2025 15:10, Futbolmetrix wrote:

(We need Anders to produce his confederation vs. confederation
tables!)

 Update:

 AFC: 0W 2D 6L
 CAF: 2W 2D 6L
 CCC: 1W 5D 7L

CONCACAF really is the rockingest confederation: getting two teams to
qualify to the R16 despite the above record (I presume that's before
last night's Monterrey match)

Sad to see the Boca and River fans go home early, they were the stars of
the show so far.

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On 6/26/2025 12:22 PM, Jesus Petry wrote:

 AFC: 0 or 1/4
 CAF: 0/4
 CCC: 2/5
 CMB: 4/6
 OFC: 0/1
 UEF: 9 or 10/12

Al Hilal grabs the last spot. It's striking how similar the distribution
of 2nd round qualifiers is to what you get in a typical World Cup.

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Jesus Petry wrote:

On 25/06/2025 14:02, Jesus Petry wrote:

On 24/06/2025 12:15, Jesus Petry wrote:

On 23/06/2025 14:20, Jesus Petry wrote:

On 17/06/2025 15:10, Futbolmetrix wrote:

(We need Anders to produce his confederation vs.
confederation tables!)

Update:

AFC: 0W 2D 8L
CAF: 2W 3D 6L
CCC: 2W 5D 7L
CMB: 7W 8D 3L
OFC: 0W 1D 2L
UEF: 20W 7D 5L

Crosstable (WDL)

AFC CAF CCC CMB OFC UEF
AFC xxx 001 001 002 000 024
CAF 100 xxx 110 012 000 014
CCC 100 011 xxx 031 000 115
CMB 200 210 130 xxx 010 233
OFC 000 000 000 010 xxx 002
UEF 420 410 511 332 200 202

Teams qualified

AFC: 0 or 1/4
CAF: 0/4
CCC: 2/5
CMB: 4/6
OFC: 0/1
UEF: 9 or 10/12

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

So, the number of teams eliminated in the 1st round from each continent:

Oceania: 1
South America: 2
North America: 3
Asia: 3
Europe: 3
Africa: 4

There should be more teams from Oceania and less teams from Europe in
the tournament!

Surely it could be argued that increasing the number of teams from
Oceania would help the development of football in Oceania. Oceanian
national teams almost never get to play against the best teams in the
World because of FIFA discriminating against them when it comes to the
World Cup; so is it any wonder that when Auckland City's players
finally do get a chance to play against the best teams in the world,
they do as badly as they have this year?

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Mark wrote:

So, the number of teams eliminated in the 1st round from each
continent:

Oceania: 1
South America: 2
North America: 3
Asia: 3
Europe: 3
Africa: 4

There should be more teams from Oceania and less teams from
Europe in the tournament!

Yeah, more teams to get beaten 10-0 makes great TV...

Surely it could be argued that increasing the number of teams
from Oceania would help the development of football in
Oceania. Oceanian national teams almost never get to play
against the best teams in the World because of FIFA
discriminating against them when it comes to the World Cup; so
is it any wonder that when Auckland City's players finally do
get a chance to play against the best teams in the world, they
do as badly as they have this year?

Auckland City are only a semi-professional club... their CWC
group was always going to be a challenge for them.

Having more teams of that quality in the competition would be a
waste of time. But, Auckland City got their day in the sun,
pocketed some dollars and if they make the 2029 CWC tournament
at least they'll know what they're up against.

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I thought the MSGA Cup was over and Brazil had won? But it looks like
it is back. Everything is back today, UEFA U-21 CUP, The Golden Cup,
possibly a womens EURO and maybe the U-19 UEFA cup, even the cooler
temps and thunderous rain storms are back!

This really does feel like the longest football season in the history of football.

Anyhow todays matches are a Brazilian matchup and UEFA matchup. Goals
dont really matter, but the game with the highest attendance will have
won the MSGA Cup. At least that is how I think it works?

It seems the MSGA CUp is no longer doing late games? You gotta hand it
to Trump and how he created this cup, Americans now love the soccer,
which in turn has NATO now spending more money on American guns and
bombs than ever before, it was also simple. Give the Euros the soccer
and they will buy American crap



The Golden CUp is back too.

Panama v Honduras
Lately Panama is better than Honduras, but this should be a close match.

Mexico v Saudia
Saudia is a little known CONCACAF team financiall supported by Saudi
Arabia, so I could see an upset, possibly a fixed match?

We are trying to find out if there is an U-19 cup still going on and if
there will actually be a WOmens EURO happening for the first time in the history of football. Yes women are now playing the soccer!

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Binder Dundat wrote:

This really does feel like the longest football season in the
history of football.

Henceforth there will be no such thing as football 'seasons'...
football in every country will commence on January 1st and end
on December 31st.

Which on the face of it probably doesn't sound too bad to
some... but first-team squads will need to be 40-strong to cope
with the work-load, whilst supporters will need a bank loan to
pay for all the different subscription services required to
watch all of the games.

The advantage of all-year round football means the conspiracy
theorists out there will not be able to claim a team from South
America or a team from Europe has an advantage because a certain
tournament is being played during 'their' season. Now, every
tournament will be played during EVERYONE'S season!


:-)

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On 2025-06-28 9:35 a.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

I thought the MSGA Cup was over and Brazil had won?  But it looks like
it is back.  Everything is back today, UEFA U-21 CUP, The Golden Cup, possibly a womens EURO and maybe the U-19 UEFA cup, even the cooler
temps and thunderous rain storms are back!

This really does feel like the longest football season in the history of football.

Anyhow todays matches are a Brazilian matchup and UEFA matchup.  Goals
dont really matter, but the game with the highest attendance will have
won the MSGA Cup.  At least that is how I think it works?

It seems the MSGA CUp is no longer doing late games?  You gotta hand it
to Trump and how he created this cup, Americans now love the soccer,
which in turn has NATO now spending more money on American guns and
bombs than ever before, it was also simple.  Give the Euros the soccer
and they will buy American crap

The Golden CUp is back too.

Panama v Honduras
Lately Panama is better than Honduras, but this should be a close match.

Mexico v Saudia
Saudia is a little known CONCACAF team financiall supported by Saudi
Arabia, so I could see an upset, possibly a fixed match?

We are trying to find out if there is an U-19 cup still going on and if
there will actually be a WOmens EURO happening for the first time in the history of football.  Yes women are now playing the soccer!

Ok, so our crack team of Investigators have come back with the facts for
this inaugural Women's Euro Cup.

The first match kicks off on Wednesday July 2nd. This is kind of weird,
Cups never start on a midweek?

Like the first men's World Cup, this first Euro Cup is being held in Switzerland.

As for the U-19 EURO Cup, we are getting reports that the final has
already been played and the Cup was won by the Netherlands, but by a non
U-19 type score of 1-0.

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SEP 0 - 0 BOT going to ET

I would say Palmeiras has been the better team, but no one will be
surprised if Botafoga pulls off the win.



On 2025-06-28 10:58 a.m., Blueshirt wrote:

Binder Dundat wrote:

This really does feel like the longest football season in the
history of football.

Henceforth there will be no such thing as football 'seasons'...
football in every country will commence on January 1st and end
on December 31st.

Which on the face of it probably doesn't sound too bad to
some... but first-team squads will need to be 40-strong to cope
with the work-load, whilst supporters will need a bank loan to
pay for all the different subscription services required to
watch all of the games.

The advantage of all-year round football means the conspiracy
theorists out there will not be able to claim a team from South
America or a team from Europe has an advantage because a certain
tournament is being played during 'their' season. Now, every
tournament will be played during EVERYONE'S season!

:-)

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Small favour: Can someone post the table to date?
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Binder Dundat wrote:

This really does feel like the longest football season in the
history of football.

Last night I watched what was the longest game of football
in the history of me watching football... it took the mighty
blues just over four and a half hours to beat Benfica, the ref
and the weather...

Following the all-year round football season, we'll soon be
having all-day long football matches!!!

FIFA have prostituted the game to the stage now where neither
the players or the fans actually matter...

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The Doctor wrote:

Small favour: Can someone post the table to date?

The group tables are irrelevant now, they are in to
the knock-out stages now...

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On 2025-06-29 5:08 a.m., Blueshirt wrote:

Binder Dundat wrote:

This really does feel like the longest football season in the
history of football.

Last night I watched what was the longest game of football
in the history of me watching football... it took the mighty
blues just over four and a half hours to beat Benfica, the ref
and the weather...

Following the all-year round football season, we'll soon be
having all-day long football matches!!!

FIFA have prostituted the game to the stage now where neither
the players or the fans actually matter...

Dont worry, the Club World Cup will now be held in places like Saudi or
Qatar.

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In article <xn0p7mbjmcn10w5000@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

The Doctor wrote:

Small favour: Can someone post the table to date?

The group tables are irrelevant now, they are in to
the knock-out stages now...

So what does the bracket look like?
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On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 12:45:09 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

In article <xn0p7mbjmcn10w5000@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

The Doctor wrote:

Small favour: Can someone post the table to date?

The group tables are irrelevant now, they are in to
the knock-out stages now...

So what does the bracket look like?

Look it up in Wikipedia. It's a very good web-site.

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 22:23:27 +0000, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 19:39:51 +0000, Mark wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 12:45:09 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

In article <xn0p7mbjmcn10w5000@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

The Doctor wrote:

Small favour: Can someone post the table to date?

The group tables are irrelevant now, they are in to
the knock-out stages now...

So what does the bracket look like?

Look it up in Wikipedia. It's a very good web-site.

QFs:
Palmeiras - Chelsea
ManCity/Al Hilal - Inter/Fluminense

PSG - Bayern
Dortmund/Monterrey - Real Madrid/Juventus

I wonder if Monterrey or Flu can pull an upset, otherwise it will be 7
UEFA teams in the QFs (and empty stadiums/no atmosphere).

--

Yeah, I was just thinking that this tournament is starting to remind me
of the 2014 World Cup - some surprise results in the group stage showed
early promise, but no surprise results in the knockout rounds in so far
as the "bigger" team would always advance. So far that's what's happened
here.


RM

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On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 19:39:51 +0000, Mark wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jun 2025 12:45:09 +0000, The Doctor wrote:

In article <xn0p7mbjmcn10w5000@post.eweka.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:

The Doctor wrote:

Small favour: Can someone post the table to date?

The group tables are irrelevant now, they are in to
the knock-out stages now...

So what does the bracket look like?

Look it up in Wikipedia. It's a very good web-site.

QFs:
Palmeiras - Chelsea
ManCity/Al Hilal - Inter/Fluminense

PSG - Bayern
Dortmund/Monterrey - Real Madrid/Juventus


I wonder if Monterrey or Flu can pull an upset, otherwise it will be 7
UEFA teams in the QFs (and empty stadiums/no atmosphere).

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Internazionale v Fluminense in the second round at Charlotte and there
are so few people in attendance that I reckon if all the rss regulars
from the last 20 years plus Binder’s friend Lilllywhite teleported into
the stadium we’d double the attendance.

Well ok, slight exaggeration, but it does look poorly attended given
we’re talking about a knockout round match between two usually well
supported teams.


But what you really want to know is Fluminense lead 1-0 after 44
minutes.


RM

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On 27/06/2025 14.13, Mark wrote:

Oceania: 1
South America: 2
North America: 3
Asia: 3
Europe: 3
Africa: 4

There should be more teams from Oceania and less teams from Europe in
the tournament!

Don't you mean less team from Africa? They're the ones with the most
teams eliminated.

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On 27/06/2025 19.15, Jesus Petry wrote:

 Final group stage stats:

 AFC: 2W 2D 8L
 CAF: 2W 3D 7L
 CCC: 2W 5D 8L
 CMB: 7W 8D 3L
 OFC: 0W 1D 2L
 UEF: 22W 7D 7L

Without the intraconfed matches:

UEF: 18W 7D 3L

  Crosstable (WDL)

     AFC CAF CCC CMB OFC UEF
 AFC xxx 101 101 002 000 024
 CAF 101 xxx 110 012 000 014
 CCC 101 011 xxx 031 000 115
 CMB 200 210 130 xxx 010 233
 OFC 000 000 000 010 xxx 002
 UEF 420 410 511 332 200 404

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On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 19:45:18 +0000, Real_Mardin wrote:

Well ok, slight exaggeration, but it does look poorly attended given
we’re talking about a knockout round match between two usually well supported teams.

So you need weekend match plus South American team to get good
attendance.

But what you really want to know is Fluminense lead 1-0 after 44
minutes.

Hercules adds a second one in injury time.

Waiting for the final whistle...and there you go. Bye-bye Inter, zeru
tituli for you this year.

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Congratulations Fluminense!


RM

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On 6/30/2025 5:01 PM, Jesus Petry wrote:

 And they double their lead in injury time! Two Brazilian clubs in the quarterfinals!

FT: Manchester City - Al Hilal 3-4 (!) (a.e.t, 2-2 after 90 minutes)

Yes, you read that correctly. Saudi money > Emirati money.
Unsurprisingly, City dominated possession, shot count and just about
every other statistical category, but if you concede a goal every time
the other team attacks, you won't go very far...

The top half of the draw has opened up completely, with Chelsea the only European team left. I'm rooting for one of the Brazilian teams to make
it to the final. For the atmosphere.

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Futbolmetrix <futbolmetrix@yahoo.com> wrote:

On Mon, 30 Jun 2025 19:45:18 +0000,

Waiting for the final whistle...and there you go. Bye-bye Inter, zeru
tituli for you this year.

But funnily enough Simone Inzaghi could still win one.


Ciao,
Werner

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On 6/13/2025 9:02 PM, Binder Dundat wrote:

It all kicks off tomorrow

HT: Real - Juve 0-0

Juve played very well the first 25-30 minutes, defending tidily and
stinging on the break, but then retreated too much towards the end of
the half. They won't be able to last this way until the end of the match.

Overwhelming superiority of Madrid fans in the stands.

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If it’s been driving anyone else mad, I can officially confirm that the
music on that Budweiser commercial that seems to play twice during every
ad break in this tournament is Thunderstruck by AC / DC.

In less important news it’s Real Madrid 1- Juventus 0 after 53 minutes, Gonzalo Garcia having just headed on a cross.


RM

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On 7/1/2025 4:07 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 6/13/2025 9:02 PM, Binder Dundat wrote:

It all kicks off tomorrow

HT: Real - Juve    0-0

Juve played very well the first 25-30 minutes, defending tidily and
stinging on the break, but then retreated too much towards the end of
the half. They won't be able to last this way until the end of the match.

Juve unable to clear its lines for almost two full minutes, eventually
Trent finds Gonzalo Garcia unmarked in the middle of the box, and his
thumping header beats Di Gregorio. 1-0

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On 7/1/2025 4:20 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 7/1/2025 4:07 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 6/13/2025 9:02 PM, Binder Dundat wrote:

It all kicks off tomorrow

HT: Real - Juve    0-0

Juve played very well the first 25-30 minutes, defending tidily and
stinging on the break, but then retreated too much towards the end of
the half. They won't be able to last this way until the end of the match.

Juve unable to clear its lines for almost two full minutes, eventually
Trent finds Gonzalo Garcia unmarked in the middle of the box, and his thumping header beats Di Gregorio. 1-0

FT: 1-0

No reaction from Juve once they went down, and Di Gregorio avoided it
being much worse. The Club World Cup sucks.

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OK, sure it is just The Pretenders and maybe Monterey is not Mexico's
favorite team and maybe there are not as many Mexican's in Atlanta, but
the stadium looks empty to me. And Does no one want to see Sergio Ramos?

On 2025-07-01 5:00 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 7/1/2025 4:20 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 7/1/2025 4:07 PM, Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 6/13/2025 9:02 PM, Binder Dundat wrote:

It all kicks off tomorrow

HT: Real - Juve    0-0

Juve played very well the first 25-30 minutes, defending tidily and
stinging on the break, but then retreated too much towards the end of
the half. They won't be able to last this way until the end of the
match.

Juve unable to clear its lines for almost two full minutes, eventually
Trent finds Gonzalo Garcia unmarked in the middle of the box, and his
thumping header beats Di Gregorio. 1-0

FT: 1-0

No reaction from Juve once they went down, and Di Gregorio avoided it
being much worse. The Club World Cup sucks.

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2025 1:56:43 +0000, milivella wrote:

Futbolmetrix:

eventually
Trent

You forgot to add "with an incredible stroke of luck"

That's correct, thanks for reminding me! (The CWC sucks on a bunch of
different levels...)

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The Pretenders make it to the final 8.

What this Cup has told us and it is something we can all strongly agree
with, is that the Bundesliga is the top liga in the world. Sure Brazil
has two teams left, but they started with at least 4 teams. The
Bundesliga only had two teams to start

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Binder Dundat wrote:

The Pretenders make it to the final 8.

What this Cup has told us and it is something we can all
strongly agree with, is that the Bundesliga is the top liga
in the world.

I strongly disagree.

Clearly for the sake of fairness we should have a vote on what
is the top league in the world before people go around making
uncalled for wild claims like that on RSS...

I suppose we can open things up for nominations though.

The following eight countries are excluded from the vote because
their inclusion has already been strongly disagreed with. (And
if they haven't, we'll find a way to exclude them anyway as
that's what we do here to manipulate things.)

Argentina, Brazil, Saudi Arabia, Germany, Spain, Italy, France
... and England.

So I nominate the Welsh League... as we all saw how good Wrexham
FC were in the last season of "Welcome to Wrexham" on Disney+.





Oh hang on a mo... ;-)

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In article <1049gt1$11ffn$1@dont-email.me>,
Jesus Petry <jesus.petry@gmail.com> wrote:

On 04/07/2025 17:10, Jesus Petry wrote:

 Half time, Fluminense lead Al Hillal, 1-0, goal by Martinelli.

2-1 it ends: Marcos Leonardo equalized, but Hércules scored the winner
for Flu.

 Tchau!
 Jesus Petry

Flu marches on1
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PSG 0 - 0 Bayern HT

One of the better games, but one that also may make bayern wish they had
not taken part. Judging by the reaction of the players it looked like
Musiala was badly injured at the end of the half.

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Binder Dundat wrote:

PSG 0 - 0 Bayern HT

One of the better games, but one that also may make bayern
wish they had not taken part. Judging by the reaction of the
players it looked like Musiala was badly injured at the end of
the half.

I see the rest of the world got to see the great Anthony Taylor
in action...

Although in fairness, the CONCACAF referees in the CWC make him
look like the best referee in the world.

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Why have they changed the trophy again?

And why is there no 3rd place play-off now? They think a 3rd place
play-off, and even a 5th place play-off, is worthwhile when there's
only 6 teams, but it's not worth bothering with a 3rd place play-off
when there's 32 teams?

Binder Dundat wrote:

PSG 0 - 0 Bayern HT

One of the better games, but one that also may make bayern wish they
had not taken part. Judging by the reaction of the players it looked
like Musiala was badly injured at the end of the half.

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On 2025-07-05 4:12 p.m., Blueshirt wrote:

Binder Dundat wrote:

PSG 0 - 0 Bayern HT

One of the better games, but one that also may make bayern
wish they had not taken part. Judging by the reaction of the
players it looked like Musiala was badly injured at the end of
the half.

I see the rest of the world got to see the great Anthony Taylor
in action...

He was bad. I thought and most of the people in the indoor stadium
thought as well, that Donarumma should have been red carded for the
clear foul on Musiala, not to mention Bayern should have been given a
clear Penal.

And it is not that he was not calling any clear fouls, it was his inconsistency, later he started to call all sorts of weird fouls and
then he wanted to make himself the star of the game, but yeah a real WWE
type ref.

As for Musiala, broken bones and out for months.

So we have PSG vs Real in one semi finals and the wild spenders of
London vs Flu. Just to give you an idea of how Chelsea buy players at
the drop of a hat, Jamie Gittens started this tournament as a Player for
BVB, yet I think he could feature in the semi final for Chelsea? Really
dont know why they bought him, he is not really any improvement over
what they have and I think they have about 24 attackers.

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Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Why have they changed the trophy again?

And why is there no 3rd place play-off now? They think a 3rd place
play-off, and even a 5th place play-off, is worthwhile when there's
only 6 teams, but it's not worth bothering with a 3rd place play-off
when there's 32 teams?

Because the actual purpose of those games was
not to find out who’s 3rd or 5th best, but to
guarantee that every participating club would get
to play at least two matches.

Now that everyone is playing three group stage
matches anyway those games are no longer needed.


Ciao,
Werner

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On 2025-07-06 11:20 a.m., Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-07-05 4:12 p.m., Blueshirt wrote:

Binder Dundat wrote:

PSG 0 - 0 Bayern HT

One of the better games, but one that also may make bayern
wish they had not taken part.  Judging by the reaction of the
players it looked like Musiala was badly injured at the end of
the half.

I see the rest of the world got to see the great Anthony Taylor
in action...

He was bad.  I thought and most of the people in the indoor stadium
thought as well, that Donarumma should have been red carded for the
clear foul on Musiala, not to mention Bayern should have been given a
clear Penal.

And it is not that he was not calling any clear fouls, it was his inconsistency, later he started to call all sorts of weird fouls and
then he wanted to make himself the star of the game, but yeah a real WWE
type ref.

As for Musiala, broken bones and out for months.

So we have PSG vs Real in one semi finals and the wild spenders of
London vs Flu.  Just to give you an idea of how Chelsea buy players at
the drop of a hat, Jamie Gittens started this tournament as a Player for
BVB, yet I think he could feature in the semi final for Chelsea?  Really dont know why they bought him, he is not really any improvement over
what they have and I think they have about 24 attackers.

I dont know if I am just getting into the whirlpool, but I am kinda
bothered by how the stupidity of this ref has killed a players career.

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So the Final of this thing is on today and if it is anywhere near as
warm in Yonkers as it is here, then it is a steam bath.

Based on the last two to three months of the longest season in the
history of football, I would say PSG should win comfortably, but these
finals are usually tight. Also, if Chelsea is allowed to use it's 80
player roster, that should help in this sauna match.

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On 7/13/2025 2:16 PM, Binder Dundat wrote:

So the Final of this thing is on today and if it is anywhere near as
warm in Yonkers as it is here, then it is a steam bath.

Based on the last two to three months of the longest season in the
history of football, I would say PSG should win comfortably, but these
finals are usually tight.  Also, if Chelsea is allowed to use it's 80
player roster, that should help in this sauna match.

This has the feel of the 1994 Barcelona-Milan EC1 final: the strongly
favored team being ripped to shreds by the alleged underdogs.

Close to HT: Chelsea up 3-0, and we'll soon get to see Blueshirt's new sig!

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Binder Dundat <dundat@mail.com> wrote:

So the Final of this thing is on today and if it is anywhere near as
warm in Yonkers as it is here, then it is a steam bath.

Based on the last two to three months of the longest season in the
history of football, I would say PSG should win comfortably, but these
finals are usually tight. Also, if Chelsea is allowed to use it's 80
player roster, that should help in this sauna match.

PSG are getting dismantled by Cole Palmer. Hands
up who saw that coming.


Ciao,
Werner

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Werner Pichler wrote:

PSG are getting dismantled by Cole Palmer. Hands
up who saw that coming.

Not me!

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Futbolmetrix wrote:

This has the feel of the 1994 Barcelona-Milan EC1 final: the
strongly favored team being ripped to shreds by the alleged
underdogs.

Close to HT: Chelsea up 3-0, and we'll soon get to see
Blueshirt's new sig!

Steady on old chap... we've had a bit of luck at the New Jersey
casino table, but they might work out we've been counting cards
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Binder Dundat wrote:

Having said that, I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best
team in club football for the next 4 years

No, we need to make a top seven list and then put it to three
votes so it can become the official RSS list... the bad news
is, Chelsea are excluded from being voted for as they are
English.

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On 2025-07-13 3:57 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 7/13/2025 2:16 PM, Binder Dundat wrote:

So the Final of this thing is on today and if it is anywhere near as
warm in Yonkers as it is here, then it is a steam bath.

Based on the last two to three months of the longest season in the
history of football, I would say PSG should win comfortably, but these
finals are usually tight.  Also, if Chelsea is allowed to use it's 80
player roster, that should help in this sauna match.

This has the feel of the 1994 Barcelona-Milan EC1 final: the strongly
favored team being ripped to shreds by the alleged underdogs.

Close to HT:  Chelsea up 3-0, and we'll soon get to see Blueshirt's new
sig!

They are not really being ripped to shreds, they are just looking really
tired and conceding every time Chelsea attack. PSG have more possession
and completed passes, for whatever that is worth.

Having said that, I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best team in
club football for the next 4 years

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Binder Dundat wrote:

On 2025-07-13 3:57 p.m., Futbolmetrix wrote:

On 7/13/2025 2:16 PM, Binder Dundat wrote:

So the Final of this thing is on today and if it is anywhere near
as warm in Yonkers as it is here, then it is a steam bath.

Based on the last two to three months of the longest season in
the history of football, I would say PSG should win comfortably,
but these finals are usually tight.  Also, if Chelsea is allowed
to use it's 80 player roster, that should help in this sauna
match.

This has the feel of the 1994 Barcelona-Milan EC1 final: the
strongly favored team being ripped to shreds by the alleged
underdogs.

Close to HT:  Chelsea up 3-0, and we'll soon get to see Blueshirt's
new sig!

They are not really being ripped to shreds, they are just looking
really tired and conceding every time Chelsea attack. PSG have more possession and completed passes, for whatever that is worth.

Having said that, I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best team
in club football for the next 4 years

Chelsea had no business being there! They already played in it in 2021.
Why do they get 2 chances to play in it? Botafogo aren't going to get 2
chances to play in it unless they win the Copa Libertadores again
between now and 2028.

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Mark wrote:

Chelsea had no business being there! They already played in it
in 2021.

It was 2022 actually. (It was played late because of covid.)

And that tournament is now technically a different tournament.
(The FIFA Intercontinental Cup.)

But the fact remains, regardless of the prestige of these types
of competition, the record books will show that Chelsea FC were
the "FIFA World Champions" twice in just over three years... and
are the "FIFA Club World Champions" until 2029!

It's funny how that title doesn't seem to mean as much now when
teams have to play seven games to win it, in comparison to those
very important one-off/two legged matches that for some reason
qualified teams to be considered to be some of the best club
sides of all time in some people's eyes...

If Chelsea were a Brazilian/Argentinian team some people would
be wetting their pants that they beat PSG 3-0 in the final! (We
do have some good young South American players though, so these
people should feel free to cheer them all on during the coming
season.)

Why do they get 2 chances to play in it? Botafogo
aren't going to get 2 chances to play in it unless they win
the Copa Libertadores again between now and 2028.

Boo hoo, sob sob, Chelsea are the quadrennial "world champions",
officially recognised by FIFA... no manipulation or vote rigging
required. Just how are the begrudgers going to manage?

For anybody suffering from anti-English bias and don't know who
to turn to to get them through the next four years...

https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-can-help/contact-samaritan/

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Jesus Petry wrote:

On 14/07/2025 10:33, Mark wrote:

Binder Dundat wrote:

I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best team
in club football for the next 4 years

Chelsea had no business being there! They already played
in it in 2021. Why do they get 2 chances to play in it?

Erm... every team there were either in their second chance or
got a ranking wild card.

Please don't use little things like facts to try and counter the
illogical ramblings of somebody who clearly doesn't know much
about football... well, outside of what they've read on the
Internet obviously.

Chelsea had every right as any team there (and more than
some) and won deservedly.

They were invited, they played, they won. <shrug> What are you
supposed to do? Send your team out to lose all their games so
the players can go on holiday?

If you're in it, you try and win it.

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Blueshirt wrote:

Jesus Petry wrote:

On 14/07/2025 10:33, Mark wrote:

Binder Dundat wrote:

I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best team
in club football for the next 4 years

Chelsea had no business being there! They already played
in it in 2021. Why do they get 2 chances to play in it?

Erm... every team there were either in their second chance or
got a ranking wild card.

Botafogo weren't. Maybe they should have chosen them all by rankings.
Or far better still, just don't play it in between the 4-yearly
tournaments.

Please don't use little things like facts to try and counter the
illogical ramblings of somebody who clearly doesn't know much
about football... well, outside of what they've read on the
Internet obviously.

See above. What's illogical about thinking that Fluminense, Real
Madrid, Chelsea, Palmeiras should only get 1 chance to play in it from
1 continental championship? Everybody else only gets 1 chance. And I do
know a lot about football.

Chelsea had every right as any team there (and more than
some) and won deservedly.

They were invited, they played, they won. <shrug> What are you
supposed to do? Send your team out to lose all their games so
the players can go on holiday?

Recognized the fact that it was totally unfair and just a
money-grabbing attempt by FIFA and sent a 'B' team?

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Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

Chelsea had no business being there! They already played in it
in 2021.

It was 2022 actually. (It was played late because of covid.)

And that tournament is now technically a different tournament.
(The FIFA Intercontinental Cup.)

No, the Club World Cup is the Club World Cup; it's still the same
tournament. Otherwise Chelsea haven't been World champions twice. The
FIFA Intercontinental Cup is a completely different, irrelevant
tournament.

But the fact remains, regardless of the prestige of these types
of competition, the record books will show that Chelsea FC were
the "FIFA World Champions" twice in just over three years... and
are the "FIFA Club World Champions" until 2029!

It's funny how that title doesn't seem to mean as much now when
teams have to play seven games to win it, in comparison to those
very important one-off/two legged matches that for some reason
qualified teams to be considered to be some of the best club
sides of all time in some people's eyes...

The Intercontinental Cup wasn't all about money and the teams from
Europe and South America were treated equally fairly.

If Chelsea were a Brazilian/Argentinian team some people would
be wetting their pants that they beat PSG 3-0 in the final! (We
do have some good young South American players though, so these
people should feel free to cheer them all on during the coming
season.)

Why do they get 2 chances to play in it? Botafogo
aren't going to get 2 chances to play in it unless they win
the Copa Libertadores again between now and 2028.

Boo hoo, sob sob, Chelsea are the quadrennial "world champions",
officially recognised by FIFA... no manipulation or vote rigging
required. Just how are the begrudgers going to manage?

Just being rich and a cash cow for FIFA required, that's all.

For anybody suffering from anti-English bias and don't know who
to turn to to get them through the next four years...

https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-can-help/contact-samaritan/

Yeah yeah! I thought the same thing about Fluminense, Flamengo, Real
Madrid etc.

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Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

Chelsea had no business being there! They already played in it
in 2021.

It was 2022 actually. (It was played late because of covid.)

And that tournament is now technically a different tournament.
(The FIFA Intercontinental Cup.)

No, the Club World Cup is the Club World Cup; it's still the same
tournament. Otherwise Chelsea haven't been World champions twice. The
FIFA Intercontinental Cup is a completely different, irrelevant
tournament.

But the fact remains, regardless of the prestige of these types
of competition, the record books will show that Chelsea FC were
the "FIFA World Champions" twice in just over three years... and
are the "FIFA Club World Champions" until 2029!

It's funny how that title doesn't seem to mean as much now when
teams have to play seven games to win it, in comparison to those
very important one-off/two legged matches that for some reason
qualified teams to be considered to be some of the best club
sides of all time in some people's eyes...

The Intercontinental Cup wasn't all about money and the teams from
Europe and South America were treated equally fairly.

But what about the teams from Oceania?!?!

Ciao,
Werner

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Mark wrote:

Blueshirt wrote:

Jesus Petry wrote:

On 14/07/2025 10:33, Mark wrote:

Binder Dundat wrote:

I guess it is official, Chelsea are the best team
in club football for the next 4 years

Chelsea had no business being there! They already played
in it in 2021. Why do they get 2 chances to play in it?

Erm... every team there were either in their second chance
or got a ranking wild card.

Botafogo weren't. Maybe they should have chosen them all by
rankings. Or far better still, just don't play it in between
the 4-yearly tournaments.

I can't speak for Botafogo as I am not an expert on South
American clubs, leagues or tournaments.

But, FIFA should have chosen all the teams by being the winners
of something, no rankings used at all. So from Europe, the four
UEFA Champions League and UEFA Europa League winners during that
period should have been the teams invited... and maybe the
losing UEFA Champions League finalist IF the same team won the
Champions League more than once during the qualifying period.

Continually playing the annual tournament (Now the FIFA
Intercontinental Cup) to have yearly "world champions" as well
as quadrennial "world champions" is down to FIFA, whether it's
fair or not is down to your point of view.

I am not a fan of how FIFA does things, as any browse through my
posts here would tell you!

Please don't use little things like facts to try and counter
the illogical ramblings of somebody who clearly doesn't know
much about football... well, outside of what they've read on
the Internet obviously.

See above. What's illogical about thinking that Fluminense,
Real Madrid, Chelsea, Palmeiras should only get 1 chance to
play in it from 1 continental championship? Everybody else
only gets 1 chance. And I do know a lot about football.

You'll have to e-mail Uncle Gianni about that one. You can't
blame the teams taking part... FIFA want to make money, and
think it's a jolly good wheeze to have two club world
championships. They do not see that as illogical, it's just
business.

Chelsea had every right as any team there (and more than
some) and won deservedly.

They were invited, they played, they won. <shrug> What are
you supposed to do? Send your team out to lose all their
games so the players can go on holiday?

Recognized the fact that it was totally unfair and just a
money-grabbing attempt by FIFA and sent a 'B' team?

Well, I do accept [and have clearly acknowledged] that it was
just a money-making tournament and, although not mentioned quite
as much, a power grab by them too.

But why would any professional football club not take the thing
seriously when there was so much prize money at stake? From
Chelsea's point of view, their prize money from a three week
tournament in the USA has paid for two exciting young Brazilian
players, Estevao and Pedro. So for them, it was a worthwhile
exercise.

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Mark wrote:

Blueshirt wrote:

It's funny how that title doesn't seem to mean as much now
when teams have to play seven games to win it, in comparison
to those very important one-off/two legged matches that for
some reason qualified teams to be considered to be some of
the best club sides of all time in some people's eyes...

The Intercontinental Cup wasn't all about money and the teams
from Europe and South America were treated equally fairly.

Why was the Intercontinental Cup played in Japan and sponsored
by Toyota then? Why did FIFA get involved in it in the first
place? (It wasn't originally a FIFA organised tournament, as I'm
sure you know.)

What went on in the 1960's is ancient history. Professional
football is all about money, it's just now we are talking crazy
money because of broadcasting rights and big sponsorships.

You can't put the toothpaste back into the tube.

Why do they get 2 chances to play in it? Botafogo
aren't going to get 2 chances to play in it unless they win
the Copa Libertadores again between now and 2028.

Boo hoo, sob sob, Chelsea are the quadrennial "world
champions", officially recognised by FIFA... no manipulation
or vote rigging required. Just how are the begrudgers going
to manage?

Just being rich and a cash cow for FIFA required, that's all.

Chelsea qualified for this [expanded] Club World Cup by winning
the UEFA Champions League in 2021, just as PSG have qualified
for the 2029 FIFA Club World Cup by winning the UEFA Champions
League this year. They are winners of a continental championship
so fully deserving of being in the tournament.

The rights and wrongs of an expanded 32-team Club World Cup
tournament existing is a completely different thing
altogether... which we might even agree on!

For anybody suffering from anti-English bias and don't know
who to turn to to get them through the next four years...

https://www.samaritans.org/how-we-can-help/contact-samaritan/

Yeah yeah! I thought the same thing about Fluminense,
Flamengo, Real Madrid etc.

That's good. Try and be consistent and we'll make a Chelsea fan
out of you yet - Enzo, Caicedo, Santos, Pedro, Est�v�o,
Denner... there's plenty of South American talent in blue for
you to follow.



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Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

Recognized the fact that it was totally unfair and just a
money-grabbing attempt by FIFA and sent a 'B' team?

Well, I do accept [and have clearly acknowledged] that it was
just a money-making tournament

... and, although not mentioned quite as much, a power grab
by them too.

Following this comment earlier, my online browsing of the
football news this afternoon brought me to this article
from The Independent... which is quite apt.

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/ceferin-uefa-fifa-club-world-cup-infantino-b2789465.html


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Werner Pichler wrote:

Mark <Pammiesheart@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:

The Intercontinental Cup wasn't all about money and the
teams from Europe and South America were treated equally
fairly.

But what about the teams from Oceania?!?!

Africa, Asia, North America etc... :-)

It's like football only existed in two continents. Very
representative!

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