• The Parallell Universe of Sky Sports News

    From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 18 11:15:42 2025
    Sky Sports News have spent the whole morning banging on about
    the new Premier League fixtures, no news of any sports actually
    taking place in the real world... I had to go online to get the
    scores from last night's games. You know, actual sports news!

    The first match of the new Premier League season isn't even
    until August 16th, yet they have found countless talking heads
    to prattle on and on about games that are two months away and
    how excited they are... blah blah blah...

    [rant over]

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Wed Jun 18 17:52:54 2025
    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 10:15:42 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Sky Sports News have spent the whole morning banging on about
    the new Premier League fixtures, no news of any sports actually
    taking place in the real world... I had to go online to get the
    scores from last night's games. You know, actual sports news!

    The first match of the new Premier League season isn't even
    until August 16th, yet they have found countless talking heads
    to prattle on and on about games that are two months away and
    how excited they are... blah blah blah...

    [rant over]

    The English league's all hype. (And money.) You should start following
    actual sports news, like the Argentinian or Brazilian or Uruguayan
    League for instance.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Mark on Thu Jun 19 10:22:26 2025
    Mark wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 10:15:42 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Sky Sports News have spent the whole morning banging on about
    the new Premier League fixtures, no news of any sports
    actually taking place in the real world... I had to go
    online to get the scores from last night's games. You know,
    actual sports news!

    The first match of the new Premier League season isn't even
    until August 16th, yet they have found countless talking
    heads to prattle on and on about games that are two months
    away and how excited they are... blah blah blah...

    [rant over]

    The English league's all hype. (And money.) You should start
    following actual sports news, like the Argentinian or
    Brazilian or Uruguayan League for instance.

    You can't change your team... boy and man I am a Chelsea fan.
    Why would I follow teams from places I have never been to? I
    lived in London for many years (In a place called Hammersmith.)
    and went to most home games at Stamford Bridge. Back when it
    didn't cost a week's wages to get a ticket, a programme and a
    burger!

    Football is now all about the money and it's worse it's going
    to get. The only cure for the raging capitalism and the milking
    of football supporters for every penny they can get is death and
    the endless sleep, not changing your allegiance. So... I will
    die a Chelsea fan.

    That doesn't mean I don't find Sky Sports News, and a lot of the
    people on it, annoying and full or irrelevant chatter just to
    fill the time.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Mon Jun 23 14:56:07 2025
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 10:22:26 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 10:15:42 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Sky Sports News have spent the whole morning banging on about
    the new Premier League fixtures, no news of any sports
    actually taking place in the real world... I had to go
    online to get the scores from last night's games. You know,
    actual sports news!

    The first match of the new Premier League season isn't even
    until August 16th, yet they have found countless talking
    heads to prattle on and on about games that are two months
    away and how excited they are... blah blah blah...

    [rant over]

    The English league's all hype. (And money.) You should start
    following actual sports news, like the Argentinian or
    Brazilian or Uruguayan League for instance.

    You can't change your team... boy and man I am a Chelsea fan.
    Why would I follow teams from places I have never been to? I
    lived in London for many years (In a place called Hammersmith.)
    and went to most home games at Stamford Bridge. Back when it
    didn't cost a week's wages to get a ticket, a programme and a
    burger!

    Because the teams from places you've never been to are better teams.

    I'm sure any half-decent lawyer can find some legal loop hole to enable
    you to escape your life sentence of being a Chelsea fan.

    Football is now all about the money and it's worse it's going
    to get. The only cure for the raging capitalism and the milking
    of football supporters for every penny they can get is death and
    the endless sleep, not changing your allegiance. So... I will
    die a Chelsea fan.

    Why would finding a decent team, that aren't more interested in making
    money than producing a good football team, not be a good cure?

    And weren't you 1 of the people that were saying the top leagues are
    determined over a period of the last 5 years or so, rather than all
    time? Doesn't that imply you can change the Leagues you follow?

    That doesn't mean I don't find Sky Sports News, and a lot of the
    people on it, annoying and full or irrelevant chatter just to
    fill the time.

    Looks like you've got plenty of reasons to stop following English
    football. The main reason I don't like English football is the media
    hype! (Mainly the BBC and ITV.)

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  • From MH@21:1/5 to Mark on Mon Jun 23 12:10:01 2025
    On 2025-06-23 08:56, Mark wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 10:22:26 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:

    On Wed, 18 Jun 2025 10:15:42 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Sky Sports News have spent the whole morning banging on about
    the new Premier League fixtures, no news of any sports
    actually taking place in the real world... I had to go
    online to get the scores from last night's games. You know,
    actual sports news!

    The first match of the new Premier League season isn't even
    until August 16th, yet they have found countless talking
    heads to prattle on and on about games that are two months
    away and how excited they are... blah blah blah...

    [rant over]



    Football is now all about the money and it's worse it's going
    to get. The only cure for the raging capitalism and the milking
    of football supporters for every penny they can get is death and
    the endless sleep, not changing your allegiance. So... I will
    die a Chelsea fan.

    Why would finding a decent team, that aren't more interested in making
    money than producing a good football team, not be a good cure?

    While I am all in favour of supporting local teams in lower leagues (and
    have done so in person whenever the occasion presented itself, in
    Germany, Spain, and Canada), where are these mythical teams that aren't interested in making money, getting promoted (where promotion is
    possible), and winning games ? Also a good team is kind of a
    prerequisite for making money.


    And weren't you 1 of the people that were saying the top leagues are determined over a period of the last 5 years or so, rather than all
    time? Doesn't that imply you can change the Leagues you follow?

    Over the last 5 years it is pretty clear to all but the most blinkered
    that the English premier league is the strongest in the world. Richest,
    too, but one can hardly fault them for successful marketing.


    That doesn't mean I don't find Sky Sports News, and a lot of the
    people on it, annoying and full or irrelevant chatter just to
    fill the time.

    Looks like you've got plenty of reasons to stop following English
    football. The main reason I don't like English football is the media
    hype! (Mainly the BBC and ITV.)

    The hype is ridiculous, and the pundits annoying, but that is true
    anywhere you live, at least to some extent. The hype around the world
    cup is excessive too, and the corruption at FIFA manifest, yet we all
    watch.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 24 20:25:49 2025
    MH wrote:

    On 2025-06-23 08:56, Mark wrote:
    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 10:22:26 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    That doesn't mean I don't find Sky Sports News, and a lot
    of the people on it, annoying and full of irrelevant
    chatter just to fill the time.

    Looks like you've got plenty of reasons to stop following
    English football. The main reason I don't like English
    football is the media hype! (Mainly the BBC and ITV.)

    The hype is ridiculous, and the pundits annoying, but that is
    true anywhere you live, at least to some extent.

    Television punditry is full of people who haven't really got
    a clue and just spout gibberish to fill air time. There are
    exceptions, Roy Keane is always good for some grumpiness and
    sharp observations, Gary Neville is a fucking twat though!

    Every television channel showing a PL football game now has the
    obligatory woman pundit who, even if they have been successful
    footballers in their own right, have never played at a high
    level equivalent to the Premier League/La Liga/Serie
    A/Bundesliga (etc) yet they have to be there on-screen with
    their observations to tick the 'female pundit' box. Some of them
    do okay but there's a few that are awful... yes Eniola Aluko I
    am looking at YOU!

    The hype around the world cup is excessive too,

    The FIFA World Cup is (or should be) the biggest football
    tournament around so it probably deserves some of the hype.
    But FIFA have done their best to discredit it and weaken it
    with their corruption and greed.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Mark on Tue Jun 24 20:25:47 2025
    Mark wrote:

    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 10:22:26 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:

    The English league's all hype. (And money.) You should
    start following actual sports news, like the Argentinian or
    Brazilian or Uruguayan League for instance.

    You can't change your team... boy and man I am a Chelsea fan.
    Why would I follow teams from places I have never been to? I
    lived in London for many years (In a place called
    Hammersmith.) and went to most home games at Stamford
    Bridge. Back when it didn't cost a week's wages to get a
    ticket, a programme and a burger!

    Because the teams from places you've never been to are better
    teams.

    But they are not my team!

    Some people can have 57 favourite teams. I follow just the one.
    It makes life a whole lot easier. Cheaper too, as I only have
    to buy one jersey...

    I'm sure any half-decent lawyer can find some legal loop hole
    to enable you to escape your life sentence of being a Chelsea
    fan.

    I prefer to suffer the punishment of being a Chelsea fan...

    Football is now all about the money and it's worse it's going
    to get. The only cure for the raging capitalism and the
    milking of football supporters for every penny they can get
    is death and the endless sleep, not changing your
    allegiance. So... I will die a Chelsea fan.

    Why would finding a decent team, that aren't more interested
    in making money than producing a good football team, not be a
    good cure?

    Breaking news: Professional football all over the world is
    about making money. Do you think the national FA's of Brazil
    and Argentina are unpaid volunteers and their leagues are run
    as charities?

    Do you think the talented young players in South America
    (Africa, Asia etc.) have their eyes on moves to English Premier
    League clubs because they like the cold and rain?

    And weren't you 1 of the people that were saying the top
    leagues are determined over a period of the last 5 years or
    so, rather than all time? Doesn't that imply you can change
    the Leagues you follow?

    I think I said, and feel free to drag up a contradictory quote
    if I am wrong, that the English Premier League was one of the
    top five domestic leagues... as somebody here a few years ago
    was trying to claim in a discussion that it wasn't.

    People are free to follow whatever they want to. It doesn't mean
    they have to be delusional about the real world though.

    That doesn't mean I don't find Sky Sports News, and a lot of
    the people on it, annoying and full of irrelevant chatter
    just to fill the time.

    Looks like you've got plenty of reasons to stop following
    English football.

    I don't follow English football, I follow one team... I
    don't have ten favourites!

    But why would I stop following a team that I have supported
    since I was a child? Just because it's all about money and Sky
    Sports is full of imbecile? Fuck 'em. I wouldn't give them the
    satisfaction.

    Blue is the colour... and always will be.

    The main reason I don't like English football
    is the media hype! (Mainly the BBC and ITV.)

    And there's nothing wrong with that. Disliking English football
    is fine. As is, disliking the BBC & ITV. (Especially the BBC!)

    That should not mean you stick your head in the sand and
    pretend that the English Premier League is not one of the
    top domestic leagues.

    If you don't want to follow an English football team, that's
    okay... it's not a crime.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 18:36:58 2025
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 18:10:01 +0000, MH wrote:



    While I am all in favour of supporting local teams in lower leagues (and
    have done so in person whenever the occasion presented itself, in
    Germany, Spain, and Canada), where are these mythical teams that aren't interested in making money, getting promoted (where promotion is
    possible), and winning games ? Also a good team is kind of a
    prerequisite for making money.

    There's nothing wrong with wanting to win games, and probably nothing
    wrong with wanting to make money to invest in the team and make it a
    better team; some of the European teams seem to want to make money for
    the sake of making money though. Real Madrid are possibly the best
    example.

    Looks like you've got plenty of reasons to stop following English
    football. The main reason I don't like English football is the media
    hype! (Mainly the BBC and ITV.)

    The hype is ridiculous, and the pundits annoying, but that is true
    anywhere you live, at least to some extent. The hype around the world
    cup is excessive too, and the corruption at FIFA manifest, yet we all
    watch.

    I haven't noticed much hype around the World Cup; and the World Cup is genuinely the most important tournament in the world. The corruption at
    FIFA could be a reason to lose interest though.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 18:43:13 2025
    Sorry about that appearing twice; I'm having problems with novaBBS. I
    had to try to post it 4 times before there was any evidence it had
    posted it.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Mark on Fri Jun 27 12:23:35 2025
    Mark wrote:

    Sorry about that appearing twice; I'm having problems with
    novaBBS. I had to try to post it 4 times before there was any
    evidence it had posted it.

    FWIW, The guy that ran NovaBBS died so it might have some
    issues...

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Mark on Fri Jun 27 12:24:07 2025
    Mark wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 18:10:01 +0000, MH wrote:


    While I am all in favour of supporting local teams in lower
    leagues (and have done so in person whenever the occasion
    presented itself, in Germany, Spain, and Canada), where are
    these mythical teams that aren't interested in making money,
    getting promoted (where promotion is possible), and winning
    games ? Also a good team is kind of a prerequisite for
    making money.

    There's nothing wrong with wanting to win games, and probably
    nothing wrong with wanting to make money to invest in the team
    and make it a better team; some of the European teams seem to
    want to make money for the sake of making money though.

    That pretty much describes any business!

    Real Madrid are possibly the best example.

    There's plenty of examples.

    For instance, Chelsea FC were bought by a consortium of venture
    capitalists, which by definition means that they are looking
    for high growth and high returns from what they hope will be a
    successful business for them in the long run.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri Jun 27 14:14:45 2025
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 20:25:47 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:

    On Thu, 19 Jun 2025 10:22:26 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:

    The English league's all hype. (And money.) You should
    start following actual sports news, like the Argentinian or
    Brazilian or Uruguayan League for instance.

    You can't change your team... boy and man I am a Chelsea fan.
    Why would I follow teams from places I have never been to? I
    lived in London for many years (In a place called
    Hammersmith.) and went to most home games at Stamford
    Bridge. Back when it didn't cost a week's wages to get a
    ticket, a programme and a burger!

    Because the teams from places you've never been to are better
    teams.

    But they are not my team!

    So why don't you want to support the best team in the World?

    Some people can have 57 favourite teams. I follow just the one.
    It makes life a whole lot easier. Cheaper too, as I only have
    to buy one jersey...

    Wouldn't following the Argentinian and Brazilian Leagues be more fun if
    you had a favourite team in those countries too though?

    I'm sure any half-decent lawyer can find some legal loop hole
    to enable you to escape your life sentence of being a Chelsea
    fan.

    I prefer to suffer the punishment of being a Chelsea fan...

    Oh dear. Maybe it's a psychiatrist you need rather than a lawyer.

    Football is now all about the money and it's worse it's going
    to get. The only cure for the raging capitalism and the
    milking of football supporters for every penny they can get
    is death and the endless sleep, not changing your
    allegiance. So... I will die a Chelsea fan.

    Why would finding a decent team, that aren't more interested
    in making money than producing a good football team, not be a
    good cure?

    Breaking news: Professional football all over the world is
    about making money. Do you think the national FA's of Brazil
    and Argentina are unpaid volunteers and their leagues are run
    as charities?

    Do you think the talented young players in South America
    (Africa, Asia etc.) have their eyes on moves to English Premier
    League clubs because they like the cold and rain?

    Football should be about playing football. Money should be a means to an
    end; investing in training and signing new players and signing new
    coaches, improving stadium facilities etc to attract more fans; not an
    end in itself.

    And it shouldn't be such a major influence on the game that we have a
    Champions League with more teams from Spain, Italy, England, Germany and
    France than anywhere else because of the fear of a breakaway European
    Super League if UEFA don't yield to teams from those countries demands;
    or a Club World Cup with twice as many teams from Europe as anywhere
    else.

    And weren't you 1 of the people that were saying the top
    leagues are determined over a period of the last 5 years or
    so, rather than all time? Doesn't that imply you can change
    the Leagues you follow?

    I think I said, and feel free to drag up a contradictory quote
    if I am wrong, that the English Premier League was one of the
    top five domestic leagues... as somebody here a few years ago
    was trying to claim in a discussion that it wasn't.

    People are free to follow whatever they want to. It doesn't mean
    they have to be delusional about the real world though.

    Surely it's natural to want to follow the top Leagues though? If
    Paraguay has been replaced by, say Mexico, as one of the best Leagues in
    the world, doesn't that justify changing one of my favourite teams and supporting a Mexican team instead of Olimpia? And following the Mexican
    League instead of the Paraguayan League? So changing your team can be
    justified can't it?

    That doesn't mean I don't find Sky Sports News, and a lot of
    the people on it, annoying and full of irrelevant chatter
    just to fill the time.

    Looks like you've got plenty of reasons to stop following
    English football.

    I don't follow English football, I follow one team... I
    don't have ten favourites!

    So what do you do when they get knocked out of the Cup? It would be more
    fun surely if you had a 2nd favourite team to support once your
    favourite team are out of contention?

    But why would I stop following a team that I have supported
    since I was a child? Just because it's all about money and Sky
    Sports is full of imbecile? Fuck 'em. I wouldn't give them the
    satisfaction.

    Blue is the colour... and always will be.

    Because the Argentinian League isn't all about money, and the
    Argentinian media (as far as I know) don't try to brainwash you into
    thinking that teams from their country are twice as good as anybody else
    like the English media do. You should rebel against the English media
    and choose not to follow English teams, to compensate for all the fans
    that English teams gain as a result of the brainwashing.

    The main reason I don't like English football
    is the media hype! (Mainly the BBC and ITV.)

    And there's nothing wrong with that. Disliking English football
    is fine. As is, disliking the BBC & ITV. (Especially the BBC!)

    That should not mean you stick your head in the sand and
    pretend that the English Premier League is not one of the
    top domestic leagues.

    If you don't want to follow an English football team, that's
    okay... it's not a crime.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Mark on Fri Jun 27 14:41:59 2025
    Mark wrote:

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 20:25:47 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:

    The teams from places you've never been to are
    better teams.

    But they are not my team!

    So why don't you want to support the best team in the World?

    I think you'll find as far as most real football fans are
    concerned the team they support IS the best team in the world.
    When I say the team they support I don't mean their tenth or
    twenty-seventh favourite team, I mean THE team they support
    and attend the games of.

    Chelsea have won the very important FIFA Club World Cup so by
    your standards that made them the best club side in the world
    at that time... or didn't it count that year because an English
    team won it?!

    Some people can have 57 favourite teams. I follow just the
    one. It makes life a whole lot easier. Cheaper too, as I
    only have to buy one jersey...

    Wouldn't following the Argentinian and Brazilian Leagues be
    more fun if you had a favourite team in those countries too
    though?

    No. If I watch any of those teams on the TV I watch as a
    neutral. (Maybe if an ex-Chelsea player is in one of the teams I
    might root for them.) I can enjoy matches as a neutral. I don't
    have to follow them to enjoy a good game of football on the TV.

    I'm sure any half-decent lawyer can find some legal loop
    hole to enable you to escape your life sentence of being a
    Chelseafan.

    I prefer to suffer the punishment of being a Chelsea fan...

    Oh dear. Maybe it's a psychiatrist you need rather than a
    lawyer.

    Oh, you only want to support "the best"... you're a follower
    of teams that win things.

    Why would finding a decent team, that aren't more interested
    in making money than producing a good football team, not be
    a good cure?

    Breaking news: Professional football all over the world is
    about making money. Do you think the national FA's of Brazil
    and Argentina are unpaid volunteers and their leagues are run
    as charities?

    Do you think the talented young players in South America
    (Africa, Asia etc.) have their eyes on moves to English
    Premier League clubs because they like the cold and rain?

    Football should be about playing football. Money should be a
    means to an end; investing in training and signing new players
    and signing new coaches, improving stadium facilities etc to
    attract more fans; not an end in itself.

    And it shouldn't be such a major influence on the game that we
    have a Champions League with more teams from Spain, Italy,
    England, Germany and France than anywhere else because of the
    fear of a breakaway European Super League if UEFA don't yield
    to teams from those countries demands; or a Club World Cup
    with twice as many teams from Europe as anywhere else.

    Welcome to the real world. It is what is is and the toothpaste
    isn't going to be put back into the tube.

    And weren't you 1 of the people that were saying the top
    leagues are determined over a period of the last 5 years or
    so, rather than all time? Doesn't that imply you can change
    the Leagues you follow?

    I think I said, and feel free to drag up a contradictory
    quote if I am wrong, that the English Premier League was one
    of the top five domestic leagues... as somebody here a few
    years ago was trying to claim in a discussion that it wasn't.

    People are free to follow whatever they want to. It doesn't
    mean they have to be delusional about the real world though.

    Surely it's natural to want to follow the top Leagues though?
    If Paraguay has been replaced by, say Mexico, as one of the
    best Leagues in the world, doesn't that justify changing one
    of my favourite teams and supporting a Mexican team instead of
    Olimpia? And following the Mexican League instead of the
    Paraguayan League? So changing your team can be justified
    can't it?

    That's called bandwagon jumping.

    Football fans do not usually change the team they support.
    Maybe if somebody moved from one country to another they might,
    which would make sense, but even then I don't think it's normal
    to switch between teams just because one team does better than
    another for a period of time. You support who you support.

    Looks like you've got plenty of reasons to stop following
    English football.

    I don't follow English football, I follow one team... I
    don't have ten favourites!

    So what do you do when they get knocked out of the Cup? It
    would be more fun surely if you had a 2nd favourite team to
    support once your favourite team are out of contention?

    Clearly you see football as some sort of hobby. Good for you.
    But they way you think is not the way normal football supporters
    think.

    Do you actually go to football matches?

    But why would I stop following a team that I have supported
    since I was a child? Just because it's all about money and
    Sky Sports is full of imbecile? Fuck 'em. I wouldn't give
    them the satisfaction.

    Blue is the colour... and always will be.

    Because the Argentinian League isn't all about money,

    Yes, it is. Just not as much as the big leagues are.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sun Jun 29 10:49:55 2025
    On Fri, 27 Jun 2025 14:41:59 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 20:25:47 +0000, Blueshirt wrote:

    Mark wrote:

    The teams from places you've never been to are
    better teams.

    But they are not my team!

    So why don't you want to support the best team in the World?

    I think you'll find as far as most real football fans are
    concerned the team they support IS the best team in the world.
    When I say the team they support I don't mean their tenth or
    twenty-seventh favourite team, I mean THE team they support
    and attend the games of.

    Well I do mean the best in your opinion, or my opinion or whatever; the
    team that are most worthy of support. When I said The teams from places
    you've never been to are better teams and you said But they are not my
    team, you seemed to be implying that you don't support the best team in
    the world.

    Chelsea have won the very important FIFA Club World Cup so by
    your standards that made them the best club side in the world
    at that time... or didn't it count that year because an English
    team won it?!

    It didn't count that year because an English team won it. Seriously
    though, the best football club, in the sense I mean, doesn't change
    every year, otherwise there wouldn't be a law against bandwagon jumping
    would there?

    Some people can have 57 favourite teams. I follow just the
    one. It makes life a whole lot easier. Cheaper too, as I
    only have to buy one jersey...

    Wouldn't following the Argentinian and Brazilian Leagues be
    more fun if you had a favourite team in those countries too
    though?

    No. If I watch any of those teams on the TV I watch as a
    neutral. (Maybe if an ex-Chelsea player is in one of the teams I
    might root for them.) I can enjoy matches as a neutral. I don't
    have to follow them to enjoy a good game of football on the TV.

    I think most people would enjoy it more if they had a favourite team. If
    you find you enjoy it just as much as a neutral though, that's fair
    enough.

    I'm sure any half-decent lawyer can find some legal loop
    hole to enable you to escape your life sentence of being a
    Chelseafan.

    I prefer to suffer the punishment of being a Chelsea fan...

    Oh dear. Maybe it's a psychiatrist you need rather than a
    lawyer.

    Oh, you only want to support "the best"... you're a follower
    of teams that win things.

    The best in my opinion, the most deserving of my support. Success is one
    reason for thinking a team is one of the best teams; not being a
    beneficiary of the media brainwashing people into thinking the team are
    better than they actually are is another reason, which means I'd never
    support an English team.

    Why would finding a decent team, that aren't more interested
    in making money than producing a good football team, not be
    a good cure?

    Breaking news: Professional football all over the world is
    about making money. Do you think the national FA's of Brazil
    and Argentina are unpaid volunteers and their leagues are run
    as charities?

    Do you think the talented young players in South America
    (Africa, Asia etc.) have their eyes on moves to English
    Premier League clubs because they like the cold and rain?

    Football should be about playing football. Money should be a
    means to an end; investing in training and signing new players
    and signing new coaches, improving stadium facilities etc to
    attract more fans; not an end in itself.

    And it shouldn't be such a major influence on the game that we
    have a Champions League with more teams from Spain, Italy,
    England, Germany and France than anywhere else because of the
    fear of a breakaway European Super League if UEFA don't yield
    to teams from those countries demands; or a Club World Cup
    with twice as many teams from Europe as anywhere else.

    Welcome to the real world. It is what is is and the toothpaste
    isn't going to be put back into the tube.

    Something could be done about it. Unfortunately you're probably right
    though, and nothing is going to be done about it.

    And weren't you 1 of the people that were saying the top
    leagues are determined over a period of the last 5 years or
    so, rather than all time? Doesn't that imply you can change
    the Leagues you follow?

    I think I said, and feel free to drag up a contradictory
    quote if I am wrong, that the English Premier League was one
    of the top five domestic leagues... as somebody here a few
    years ago was trying to claim in a discussion that it wasn't.

    People are free to follow whatever they want to. It doesn't
    mean they have to be delusional about the real world though.

    Surely it's natural to want to follow the top Leagues though?
    If Paraguay has been replaced by, say Mexico, as one of the
    best Leagues in the world, doesn't that justify changing one
    of my favourite teams and supporting a Mexican team instead of
    Olimpia? And following the Mexican League instead of the
    Paraguayan League? So changing your team can be justified
    can't it?

    That's called bandwagon jumping.

    Football fans do not usually change the team they support.
    Maybe if somebody moved from one country to another they might,
    which would make sense, but even then I don't think it's normal
    to switch between teams just because one team does better than
    another for a period of time. You support who you support.

    What if they support Chelsea though (or another over-hyped team), and
    then realize that their team isn't as good as the media make them out to
    be, read about Argentinian teams, and realize that Independiente are a
    far better football club? The reason that changing your club is against
    the rules of football is because it's disloyal. But there are some
    scenarios (and I can think of others aswell as just the ones I've
    mentioned) where it would be OK.

    Looks like you've got plenty of reasons to stop following
    English football.

    I don't follow English football, I follow one team... I
    don't have ten favourites!

    So what do you do when they get knocked out of the Cup? It
    would be more fun surely if you had a 2nd favourite team to
    support once your favourite team are out of contention?

    Clearly you see football as some sort of hobby. Good for you.
    But they way you think is not the way normal football supporters
    think.

    How do normal football supporters think? I'd have thought it was normal
    to have at least a 2nd or 3rd favourite team.

    Do you actually go to football matches?

    It's far too expensive. I rely on online broadcasts and occasionally
    going to the pub to watch football.

    But why would I stop following a team that I have supported
    since I was a child? Just because it's all about money and
    Sky Sports is full of imbecile? Fuck 'em. I wouldn't give
    them the satisfaction.

    Blue is the colour... and always will be.

    Because the Argentinian League isn't all about money,

    Yes, it is. Just not as much as the big leagues are.

    Evidence please.

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