• Re: UEFA Champions League (UCL) Knockout Stage 2022-2023

    From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Fri Jan 27 05:41:14 2023
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:37:08 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    Following is the UCL draw, the round of 16, 2022-2023

    • Leipzig – Manchester City
    • Brugge – Benfica
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid
    • Milan – Tottenham
    • Frankfurt – Napoli
    • Dortmund – Chelsea
    • Inter – Porto
    • Paris SG – Bayern

    The team listed first is the host in the first leg. The team listed second is the host in the second leg.

    • First-leg dates: February 14 – 15 and February 21 – 22
    •• Second-leg dates: March 7 – 8 and March 14 – 15.

    Read also:

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/tcJub7ByF3M
    • UEFA Champions League (UCL) Group Stage 2022-2023

    The final tables of UCL 2022-2023, the group stage; the last odds in the UCL group stage.
    UCL Odds current as of November 7, 2022.
    Odds via BetMGM (USA) / Sports Interaction (Canada) / SkyBet (UK) / Ladbrokes (Australia).

    Man City +175 2.25 13/8 2.63
    Bayern Munich +550 6.12 13/2 6.50
    PSG +800 7.70 9/1 9.00
    Liverpool +900 7.80 9/1 9.00
    Napoli +1000 10.09 12/1 11
    Real Madrid +1100 10.07 12/1 13
    Chelsea +1400 11.70 14/1 13
    Tottenham +1400 13.26 16/1 15
    Benfica +2000 18.38 25/1 17
    Inter Milan +3300 25.93 33/1 29

    Dramatic change in UCL! Bayern München does NOT count anymore, IMHO. But, hey, who said betting meant a guarantee?! Yet, they are still in 2nd place betting-wise:

    • Manchester City +175
    • Bayern Munich +650
    • PSG +700
    • Liverpool +900
    • Real Madrid +1200
    • Napoli +1400
    Napoli, anyone? O sole mio…

    By the way –
    UEFA should change the rule regarding the final. The match should be replayed if it ends in a tie after 120 minutes. The champion determined 3 days later, even in a penalty shootout, will deserve a lot more credibility and respect. See also:
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/f2B8MDSqA00/m/h2qbxzLIAwAJ
    • The 2022 World Cup Best Team-Odds

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to ions...@gmail.com on Sat Jan 28 02:21:32 2023
    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:41:15 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:37:08 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    Following is the UCL draw, the round of 16, 2022-2023

    • Leipzig – Manchester City
    • Brugge – Benfica
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid
    • Milan – Tottenham
    • Frankfurt – Napoli
    • Dortmund – Chelsea
    • Inter – Porto
    • Paris SG – Bayern

    The team listed first is the host in the first leg. The team listed second is the host in the second leg.

    • First-leg dates: February 14 – 15 and February 21 – 22
    •• Second-leg dates: March 7 – 8 and March 14 – 15.

    Read also:

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/tcJub7ByF3M
    • UEFA Champions League (UCL) Group Stage 2022-2023

    The final tables of UCL 2022-2023, the group stage; the last odds in the UCL group stage.
    UCL Odds current as of November 7, 2022.
    Odds via BetMGM (USA) / Sports Interaction (Canada) / SkyBet (UK) / Ladbrokes (Australia).

    Man City +175 2.25 13/8 2.63
    Bayern Munich +550 6.12 13/2 6.50
    PSG +800 7.70 9/1 9.00
    Liverpool +900 7.80 9/1 9.00
    Napoli +1000 10.09 12/1 11
    Real Madrid +1100 10.07 12/1 13
    Chelsea +1400 11.70 14/1 13
    Tottenham +1400 13.26 16/1 15
    Benfica +2000 18.38 25/1 17
    Inter Milan +3300 25.93 33/1 29
    Dramatic change in UCL! Bayern München does NOT count anymore, IMHO. But, hey, who said betting meant a guarantee?! Yet, they are still in 2nd place betting-wise:

    • Manchester City +175
    • Bayern Munich +650
    • PSG +700
    • Liverpool +900
    • Real Madrid +1200
    • Napoli +1400
    Napoli, anyone? O sole mio…

    By the way –
    UEFA should change the rule regarding the final. The match should be replayed if it ends in a tie after 120 minutes. The champion determined 3 days later, even in a penalty shootout, will deserve a lot more credibility and respect. See also:
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/f2B8MDSqA00/m/h2qbxzLIAwAJ
    • The 2022 World Cup Best Team-Odds

    Isn't UCL Union Champions League? UEFA is already an abbreviation; you can't abbreviate it further to U. That makes no sense.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Mark on Sat Jan 28 03:50:00 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 12:21:34 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:41:15 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:37:08 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    Following is the UCL draw, the round of 16, 2022-2023

    • Leipzig – Manchester City
    • Brugge – Benfica
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid
    • Milan – Tottenham
    • Frankfurt – Napoli
    • Dortmund – Chelsea
    • Inter – Porto
    • Paris SG – Bayern

    The team listed first is the host in the first leg. The team listed second is the host in the second leg.

    • First-leg dates: February 14 – 15 and February 21 – 22
    •• Second-leg dates: March 7 – 8 and March 14 – 15.

    Read also:

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/tcJub7ByF3M
    • UEFA Champions League (UCL) Group Stage 2022-2023

    The final tables of UCL 2022-2023, the group stage; the last odds in the UCL group stage.
    UCL Odds current as of November 7, 2022.
    Odds via BetMGM (USA) / Sports Interaction (Canada) / SkyBet (UK) / Ladbrokes (Australia).

    Man City +175 2.25 13/8 2.63
    Bayern Munich +550 6.12 13/2 6.50
    PSG +800 7.70 9/1 9.00
    Liverpool +900 7.80 9/1 9.00
    Napoli +1000 10.09 12/1 11
    Real Madrid +1100 10.07 12/1 13
    Chelsea +1400 11.70 14/1 13
    Tottenham +1400 13.26 16/1 15
    Benfica +2000 18.38 25/1 17
    Inter Milan +3300 25.93 33/1 29
    Dramatic change in UCL! Bayern München does NOT count anymore, IMHO. But, hey, who said betting meant a guarantee?! Yet, they are still in 2nd place betting-wise:

    • Manchester City +175
    • Bayern Munich +650
    • PSG +700
    • Liverpool +900
    • Real Madrid +1200
    • Napoli +1400
    Napoli, anyone? O sole mio…

    By the way –
    UEFA should change the rule regarding the final. The match should be replayed if it ends in a tie after 120 minutes. The champion determined 3 days later, even in a penalty shootout, will deserve a lot more credibility and respect. See also:
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/f2B8MDSqA00/m/h2qbxzLIAwAJ
    • The 2022 World Cup Best Team-Odds
    Isn't UCL Union Champions League? UEFA is already an abbreviation; you can't abbreviate it further to U. That makes no sense.

    The bottle again? The pipe again?

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Mark on Sat Jan 28 13:12:22 2023
    Mark wrote:

    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:41:15 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:37:08 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    Following is the UCL draw, the round of 16, 2022-2023

    • Leipzig – Manchester City
    • Brugge – Benfica
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid
    • Milan – Tottenham
    • Frankfurt – Napoli
    • Dortmund – Chelsea
    • Inter – Porto
    • Paris SG – Bayern

    The team listed first is the host in the first leg. The team
    listed second is the host in the second leg.

    • First-leg dates: February 14 – 15 and February 21 – 22
    •• Second-leg dates: March 7 – 8 and March 14 – 15.

    Read also:

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/tcJub7ByF3M
    • UEFA Champions League (UCL) Group Stage 2022-2023

    The final tables of UCL 2022-2023, the group stage; the last
    odds in the UCL group stage.
    UCL Odds current as of November 7, 2022.
    Odds via BetMGM (USA) / Sports Interaction (Canada) / SkyBet (UK)
    / Ladbrokes (Australia).

    Man City +175 2.25 13/8 2.63
    Bayern Munich +550 6.12 13/2 6.50
    PSG +800 7.70 9/1 9.00
    Liverpool +900 7.80 9/1 9.00
    Napoli +1000 10.09 12/1 11
    Real Madrid +1100 10.07 12/1 13
    Chelsea +1400 11.70 14/1 13
    Tottenham +1400 13.26 16/1 15
    Benfica +2000 18.38 25/1 17
    Inter Milan +3300 25.93 33/1 29
    Dramatic change in UCL! Bayern München does NOT count anymore,
    IMHO. But, hey, who said betting meant a guarantee?! Yet, they are
    still in 2nd place betting-wise:

    • Manchester City +175
    • Bayern Munich +650
    • PSG +700
    • Liverpool +900
    • Real Madrid +1200
    • Napoli +1400
    Napoli, anyone? O sole mio…

    By the way –
    UEFA should change the rule regarding the final. The match should
    be replayed if it ends in a tie after 120 minutes. The champion
    determined 3 days later, even in a penalty shootout, will deserve a
    lot more credibility and respect. See also: • https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/f2B8MDSqA00/m/h2qbxzL
    IAwAJ • The 2022 World Cup Best Team-Odds

    Isn't UCL Union Champions League? UEFA is already an abbreviation;
    you can't abbreviate it further to U. That makes no sense.

    U [EFA] C [hampions] L [eague] IS an abbreviation...

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sat Jan 28 15:56:52 2023
    In article <nnd$3d28d85b$3a475893@2df8ce65b663bc09>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Mark wrote:

    On Friday, January 27, 2023 at 1:41:15 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com
    wrote:
    On Tuesday, November 8, 2022 at 1:37:08 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos,
    Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    Following is the UCL draw, the round of 16, 2022-2023

    • Leipzig – Manchester City
    • Brugge – Benfica
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid
    • Milan – Tottenham
    • Frankfurt – Napoli
    • Dortmund – Chelsea
    • Inter – Porto
    • Paris SG – Bayern

    The team listed first is the host in the first leg. The team
    listed second is the host in the second leg.

    • First-leg dates: February 14 – 15 and February 21 – 22
    •• Second-leg dates: March 7 – 8 and March 14 – 15.

    Read also:

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/tcJub7ByF3M
    • UEFA Champions League (UCL) Group Stage 2022-2023

    The final tables of UCL 2022-2023, the group stage; the last
    odds in the UCL group stage.
    UCL Odds current as of November 7, 2022.
    Odds via BetMGM (USA) / Sports Interaction (Canada) / SkyBet (UK)
    / Ladbrokes (Australia).

    Man City +175 2.25 13/8 2.63
    Bayern Munich +550 6.12 13/2 6.50
    PSG +800 7.70 9/1 9.00
    Liverpool +900 7.80 9/1 9.00
    Napoli +1000 10.09 12/1 11
    Real Madrid +1100 10.07 12/1 13
    Chelsea +1400 11.70 14/1 13
    Tottenham +1400 13.26 16/1 15
    Benfica +2000 18.38 25/1 17
    Inter Milan +3300 25.93 33/1 29
    Dramatic change in UCL! Bayern München does NOT count anymore,
    IMHO. But, hey, who said betting meant a guarantee?! Yet, they are
    still in 2nd place betting-wise:

    • Manchester City +175
    • Bayern Munich +650
    • PSG +700
    • Liverpool +900
    • Real Madrid +1200
    • Napoli +1400
    Napoli, anyone? O sole mio…

    By the way –
    UEFA should change the rule regarding the final. The match should
    be replayed if it ends in a tie after 120 minutes. The champion
    determined 3 days later, even in a penalty shootout, will deserve a
    lot more credibility and respect. See also: •
    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/f2B8MDSqA00/m/h2qbxzL
    IAwAJ • The 2022 World Cup Best Team-Odds

    Isn't UCL Union Champions League? UEFA is already an abbreviation;
    you can't abbreviate it further to U. That makes no sense.

    U [EFA] C [hampions] L [eague] IS an abbreviation...

    Who is the dunce?
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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Sat Jan 28 18:53:59 2023
    The Doctor wrote:

    In article <nnd$3d28d85b$3a475893@2df8ce65b663bc09>,
    Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
    Mark wrote:
    Isn't UCL Union Champions League? UEFA is already an abbreviation;
    you can't abbreviate it further to U. That makes no sense.

    U [EFA] C [hampions] L [eague] IS an abbreviation...

    Who is the dunce?

    Nobody is a dunce.

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Sun Jan 29 05:20:25 2023
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 12:12:26 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
    Mark wrote:

    Isn't UCL Union Champions League? UEFA is already an abbreviation;
    you can't abbreviate it further to U. That makes no sense.
    U [EFA] C [hampions] L [eague] IS an abbreviation...

    The U part is an abbreviation for an abbreviation. That seems nonsensical and extremely lazy to me! UEFA CL is short enough surely? And if not, why not ECL for European Champions League? (In fact isn't EC1 already an established abbreviation for the
    Champions League anyway? Why not use that ?)

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Mark on Mon Jan 30 08:56:05 2023
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 3:20:27 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 12:12:26 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
    Mark wrote:

    Isn't UCL Union Champions League? UEFA is already an abbreviation;
    you can't abbreviate it further to U. That makes no sense.
    U [EFA] C [hampions] L [eague] IS an abbreviation...
    The U part is an abbreviation for an abbreviation. That seems nonsensical and extremely lazy to me! UEFA CL is short enough surely? And if not, why not ECL for European Champions League? (In fact isn't EC1 already an established abbreviation for the
    Champions League anyway? Why not use that ?)

    Piper:

    UEFA is a CONCEPTUAL abbreviation: It is a WORD of its own. Exactomundo like FIFA, etc. Therefore, ‘UCL’ is the correct abbreviation in the world of the sober. Put that pipe away! Put that bottle away!

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to ions...@gmail.com on Tue Jan 31 03:19:59 2023
    On Monday, January 30, 2023 at 4:56:07 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Sunday, January 29, 2023 at 3:20:27 PM UTC+2, Mark wrote:
    On Saturday, January 28, 2023 at 12:12:26 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:
    Mark wrote:

    Isn't UCL Union Champions League? UEFA is already an abbreviation;
    you can't abbreviate it further to U. That makes no sense.
    U [EFA] C [hampions] L [eague] IS an abbreviation...
    The U part is an abbreviation for an abbreviation. That seems nonsensical and extremely lazy to me! UEFA CL is short enough surely? And if not, why not ECL for European Champions League? (In fact isn't EC1 already an established abbreviation for the
    Champions League anyway? Why not use that ?)
    Piper:

    UEFA is a CONCEPTUAL abbreviation: It is a WORD of its own. Exactomundo like FIFA, etc. Therefore, ‘UCL’ is the correct abbreviation in the world of the sober. Put that pipe away! Put that bottle away!

    I've never heard of a conceptual abbreviation. So UEFA is a concept, and U is an abbreviation for that concept? Is that what you're saying? I'm not convinced it's a word.

    What's this pipe and bottle you keep mentioning?

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Feb 15 02:37:07 2023
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    Following is the UCL draw, the round of 16, 2022-2023

    • Leipzig – Manchester City
    • Brugge – Benfica
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid
    • Milan – Tottenham
    • Frankfurt – Napoli
    • Dortmund – Chelsea
    • Inter – Porto
    • Paris SG – Bayern

    The team listed first is the host in the first leg. The team listed second is the host in the second leg.

    • First-leg dates: February 14 – 15 and February 21 – 22
    •• Second-leg dates: March 7 – 8 and March 14 – 15.

    Read also:

    https://groups.google.com/g/rec.sport.soccer/c/tcJub7ByF3M
    • UEFA Champions League (UCL) Group Stage 2022-2023

    The final tables of UCL 2022-2023, the group stage; the last odds in the UCL group stage.

    Round of 16 – Results
    -----------------------------------------

    Tuesday, February 14, 2023
    -----------------------------------------------
    • Paris SG – Bayern 0 – 1
    • Milan – Tottenham 1 – 0

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Thu Feb 16 04:06:31 2023
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:37:09 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    Following is the UCL draw, the round of 16, 2022-2023

    • Leipzig – Manchester City
    • Brugge – Benfica
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid
    • Milan – Tottenham
    • Frankfurt – Napoli
    • Dortmund – Chelsea
    • Inter – Porto
    • Paris SG – Bayern

    The team listed first is the host in the first leg. The team listed second is the host in the second leg.

    • First-leg dates: February 14 – 15 and February 21 – 22
    •• Second-leg dates: March 7 – 8 and March 14 – 15.

    Round of 16 – Results
    -----------------------------------------

    Tuesday, February 14, 2023
    -----------------------------------------------
    • Paris SG – Bayern 0 – 1
    • Milan – Tottenham 1 – 0

    Round of 16 – Results
    -----------------------------------------

    Wednesday, February 15, 2023
    -----------------------------------------------
    • Brugge – Benfica 0 – 2
    • Dortmund – Chelsea 1 – 0

    UCL was clearly eclipsed by EPL. Arsenal – Manchester City derby was more widely watched than either Champions League match.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Feb 22 01:35:47 2023
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:06:33 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:37:09 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    Following is the UCL draw, the round of 16, 2022-2023

    • Leipzig – Manchester City
    • Brugge – Benfica
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid
    • Milan – Tottenham
    • Frankfurt – Napoli
    • Dortmund – Chelsea
    • Inter – Porto
    • Paris SG – Bayern

    The team listed first is the host in the first leg. The team listed second is the host in the second leg.

    • First-leg dates: February 14 – 15 and February 21 – 22
    •• Second-leg dates: March 7 – 8 and March 14 – 15.

    Round of 16 – Results
    -----------------------------------------

    Tuesday, February 14, 2023
    -----------------------------------------------
    • Paris SG – Bayern 0 – 1
    • Milan – Tottenham 1 – 0

    Round of 16 – Results
    -----------------------------------------
    Wednesday, February 15, 2023
    -----------------------------------------------
    • Brugge – Benfica 0 – 2
    • Dortmund – Chelsea 1 – 0

    UCL was clearly eclipsed by EPL. Arsenal – Manchester City derby was more widely watched than either Champions League match.

    Round of 16 – Results
    ---------------------------

    Tuesday, February 21, 2023
    ----------------------------------
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid 2 – 5
    • Frankfurt – Napoli 0 – 2

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Thu Feb 23 02:08:47 2023
    Tuesday, February 21, 2023
    -------------------------------------
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid 2 – 5

    A memorable game! The greatest match in the history of UEFA Champions League, some reckon? I can only say, from my perspective, that soccer needs higher scoring and turning the tables. After 0 – 2, Real Madrid scored 5 unanswered goals.

    Grave mistakes, gaffes, as a matter of fact, contributed to the final score. The sport of soccer needs… more mistakes of colossal proportions. It makes the game more spectacular. That’s what the Americans like best in sports. FIFA always complains
    that the USA is not more heavily involved in international soccer. Well, then, change the rules so that more dramatic “gaffes” are possible…

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Thu Feb 23 01:49:03 2023
    On Wednesday, February 22, 2023 at 11:35:50 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Thursday, February 16, 2023 at 2:06:33 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, February 15, 2023 at 12:37:09 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Monday, November 7, 2022 at 1:50:59 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    Following is the UCL draw, the round of 16, 2022-2023

    • Leipzig – Manchester City
    • Brugge – Benfica
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid
    • Milan – Tottenham
    • Frankfurt – Napoli
    • Dortmund – Chelsea
    • Inter – Porto
    • Paris SG – Bayern

    The team listed first is the host in the first leg. The team listed second is the host in the second leg.

    • First-leg dates: February 14 – 15 and February 21 – 22
    •• Second-leg dates: March 7 – 8 and March 14 – 15.

    Round of 16 – Results
    -----------------------------------------

    Tuesday, February 14, 2023 -----------------------------------------------
    • Paris SG – Bayern 0 – 1
    • Milan – Tottenham 1 – 0

    Round of 16 – Results
    -----------------------------------------
    Wednesday, February 15, 2023 -----------------------------------------------
    • Brugge – Benfica 0 – 2
    • Dortmund – Chelsea 1 – 0

    UCL was clearly eclipsed by EPL. Arsenal – Manchester City derby was more widely watched than either Champions League match.
    Round of 16 – Results
    ---------------------------

    Tuesday, February 21, 2023
    ----------------------------------
    • Liverpool – Real Madrid 2 – 5
    • Frankfurt – Napoli 0 – 2

    Round of 16 – Results
    ----------------------------

    Wednesday, February 22, 2023
    ------------------------------------
    • Leipzig – Manchester City 1 – 1
    • Inter – Porto 1 – 0

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Thu Feb 23 13:03:16 2023
    Ion Saliu <ionsaliu@gmail.com> wrote:
    : > > > Round of 16 ? Results
    : > > > -----------------------------------------
    : > > >
    : > > > ? Paris SG ? Bayern 0 ? 1
    : > > > ? Milan ? Tottenham 1 ? 0
    : > > ? Brugge ? Benfica 0 ? 2
    : > > ? Dortmund ? Chelsea 1 ? 0
    : > ? Liverpool ? Real Madrid 2 ? 5
    : > ? Frankfurt ? Napoli 0 ? 2
    : ? Leipzig ? Manchester City 1 ? 1
    : ? Inter ? Porto 1 ? 0

    Benfica, Napoli and RM might have it easy.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Fri Feb 24 04:32:58 2023
    On Thursday, February 23, 2023 at 3:03:19 PM UTC+2, The Doctor wrote:
    Ion Saliu <ions...@gmail.com> wrote:
    : > > > Round of 16 ? Results
    : > > > -----------------------------------------
    : > > >
    : > > > ? Paris SG ? Bayern 0 ? 1
    : > > > ? Milan ? Tottenham 1 ? 0
    : > > ? Brugge ? Benfica 0 ? 2
    : > > ? Dortmund ? Chelsea 1 ? 0
    : > ? Liverpool ? Real Madrid 2 ? 5
    : > ? Frankfurt ? Napoli 0 ? 2
    : ? Leipzig ? Manchester City 1 ? 1
    : ? Inter ? Porto 1 ? 0

    Benfica, Napoli and RM might have it easy.
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    “Benfica, Napoli and RM might have it easy.”

    You mean qualifying to sfârtaie. I agree. I would add Dortmund and “Once Blitzkrieg” Bayern to the ‘Lucky Luciano Eight’.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 8 02:20:32 2023
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 7, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Benfica – Brugge 5 – 1
    • Chelsea – Dortmund 2 – 0

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Mar 8 16:11:39 2023
    Ion Saliu <ionsaliu@gmail.com> wrote:
    : Round of 16 ? 2nd Leg ? Results
    : ----------------------------------------------

    : Tuesday, March 7, 2023
    : -------------------------------------------------
    : ? Benfica ? Brugge 5 ? 1
    : ? Chelsea ? Dortmund 2 ? 0

    Benfica and Chelsea in the Hat!
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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Thu Mar 9 00:57:28 2023
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 12:20:34 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 7, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Benfica* – Brugge 5 – 1
    • Chelsea* – Dortmund 2 – 0

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 8, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Bayern* – Paris SG 2 – 0
    • Tottenham – Milan* 0 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Tue Mar 14 15:05:21 2023
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:57:30 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 12:20:34 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 7, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Benfica* – Brugge 5 – 1
    • Chelsea* – Dortmund 2 – 0
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 8, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Bayern* – Paris SG 2 – 0
    • Tottenham – Milan* 0 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results -----------------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 14, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Manchester City* – Leipzig 7 – 0!!! (Haaalaand scored 5)
    • Porto – Inter* 0 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

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  • From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Tue Mar 14 15:19:11 2023
    On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:05:24 PM UTC, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:57:30 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 12:20:34 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 7, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Benfica* – Brugge 5 – 1
    • Chelsea* – Dortmund 2 – 0
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 8, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Bayern* – Paris SG 2 – 0
    • Tottenham – Milan* 0 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results -----------------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 14, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Manchester City* – Leipzig 7 – 0!!! (Haaalaand scored 5)
    • Porto – Inter* 0 – 0
    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    In injury time Porto hit the woodwork twice and also forced a clearance very close to the line but ultimately it wasn't meant to be.

    Inter lucky? Perhaps, but then even the best teams need a little luck in cup football.

    RM

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to real_mardin@yahoo.co.uk on Tue Mar 14 23:47:40 2023
    In article <7cdaac1f-ba70-4f4f-bc79-46e5a908ff19n@googlegroups.com>,
    Real Mardin <real_mardin@yahoo.co.uk> wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:05:24 PM UTC, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:57:30 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 12:20:34 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results
    ----------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 7, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Benfica* – Brugge 5 – 1
    • Chelsea* – Dortmund 2 – 0
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results
    ----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 8, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Bayern* – Paris SG 2 – 0
    • Tottenham – Milan* 0 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results
    -----------------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 14, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Manchester City* – Leipzig 7 – 0!!! (Haaalaand scored 5)
    • Porto – Inter* 0 – 0
    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    In injury time Porto hit the woodwork twice and also forced a clearance
    very close to the line but ultimately it wasn't meant to be.

    Inter lucky? Perhaps, but then even the best teams need a little luck in
    cup football.

    RM

    So AC, Inter, ManC, Chelsea, Benfica and BMunich in the hat.
    --
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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Real Mardin on Wed Mar 15 03:56:47 2023
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 12:19:15 AM UTC+2, Real Mardin wrote:
    On Tuesday, March 14, 2023 at 10:05:24 PM UTC, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:57:30 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 12:20:34 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 7, 2023 -------------------------------------------------
    • Benfica* – Brugge 5 – 1
    • Chelsea* – Dortmund 2 – 0
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 8, 2023 -------------------------------------------------
    • Bayern* – Paris SG 2 – 0
    • Tottenham – Milan* 0 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results -----------------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 14, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Manchester City* – Leipzig 7 – 0!!! (Haaalaand scored 5)
    • Porto – Inter* 0 – 0
    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)
    In injury time Porto hit the woodwork twice and also forced a clearance very close to the line but ultimately it wasn't meant to be.

    Inter lucky?
    VERY!
    Perhaps, but then even the best teams need a little luck in cup football.

    Blitzkrieg City didn't need any.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Mar 15 15:05:09 2023
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 12:05:24 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:57:30 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 12:20:34 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 7, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Benfica* – Brugge 5 – 1
    • Chelsea* – Dortmund 2 – 0
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results ----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 8, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Bayern* – Paris SG 2 – 0
    • Tottenham – Milan* 0 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results -----------------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 14, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Manchester City* – Leipzig 7 – 0!!! (Haaalaand scored 5)
    • Porto – Inter* 0 – 0
    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results -----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 15, 2023
    --------------------------------------------------
    • Real Madrid* – Liverpool 1 – 0
    • Napoli* – Frankfurt 3 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to ionsaliu@gmail.com on Wed Mar 15 23:32:13 2023
    In article <31f2d3d1-dc21-4a6b-9057-3c776ab3eb0dn@googlegroups.com>,
    Ion Saliu <ionsaliu@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 12:05:24 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:57:30 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 12:20:34 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results
    ----------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 7, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Benfica* – Brugge 5 – 1
    • Chelsea* – Dortmund 2 – 0
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results
    ----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 8, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Bayern* – Paris SG 2 – 0
    • Tottenham – Milan* 0 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results
    -----------------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 14, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Manchester City* – Leipzig 7 – 0!!! (Haaalaand scored 5)
    • Porto – Inter* 0 – 0
    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results >-----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 15, 2023
    --------------------------------------------------
    • Real Madrid* – Liverpool 1 – 0
    • Napoli* – Frankfurt 3 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    So in the Hat: Benfica (POR) Chelsea (ENG) BMUnich (GER) ACMilan (ITA)
    Man C (ENG) Inter Milan (ITA) RMadrid (ESP *) Napoli (ITA)

    3 ITA
    2 ENG
    1 ESP , GER, POR


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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Thu Mar 16 03:41:38 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 1:32:16 AM UTC+2, The Doctor wrote:
    In article <31f2d3d1-dc21-4a6b...@googlegroups.com>,
    Ion Saliu <ions...@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 15, 2023 at 12:05:24 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Thursday, March 9, 2023 at 10:57:30 AM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, March 8, 2023 at 12:20:34 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results
    ----------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 7, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Benfica* – Brugge 5 – 1
    • Chelsea* – Dortmund 2 – 0
    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results
    ----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 8, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Bayern* – Paris SG 2 – 0
    • Tottenham – Milan* 0 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results
    -----------------------------------------------------

    Tuesday, March 14, 2023
    -------------------------------------------------
    • Manchester City* – Leipzig 7 – 0!!! (Haaalaand scored 5)
    • Porto – Inter* 0 – 0
    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)

    Round of 16 – 2nd Leg – Results >-----------------------------------------------------

    Wednesday, March 15, 2023 >--------------------------------------------------
    • Real Madrid* – Liverpool 1 – 0
    • Napoli* – Frankfurt 3 – 0

    * = advanced to sfârtaie (quarterfinals)
    So in the Hat: Benfica (POR) Chelsea (ENG) BMUnich (GER) ACMilan (ITA)
    Man C (ENG) Inter Milan (ITA) RMadrid (ESP *) Napoli (ITA)

    3 ITA
    2 ENG
    1 ESP , GER, POR
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    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    This phase of UCL, the quarterfinals, has a special relevance. Only the teams with a consistent presence in the quarterfinals for the past ten years win the Champions League title. This year, the following teams fall in that category: Real Madrid, Bayern
    München, Chelsea, and Manchester City. The latter has never won the competition, but has a chance now. It has reached the QF consistently, after all.

    Therefore, this competitional stage of UCL deserves a special name: Sfârtaie.

    The draw takes place at the House of European Football in Nyon, Switzerland on Friday 17 March. The ceremony begins at 12:00 CET and will be streamed live on UEFA.com.

    The teams in the Champions League sfârtaie –

    Bayern (GER)
    Benfica (POR)
    Chelsea (ENG)
    Inter (ITA)
    Man City (ENG)
    Milan (ITA)
    Napoli (ITA)
    Real Madrid (ESP)

    I stick with my first bet: Blitzkrieg Bayern.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Fri Mar 17 04:56:51 2023
    On Thursday, March 16, 2023 at 12:41:40 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:


    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:
    This phase of UCL, the quarterfinals, has a special relevance. Only the teams with a consistent presence in the quarterfinals for the past ten years win the Champions League title. This year, the following teams fall in that category: Real Madrid,
    Bayern München, Chelsea, and Manchester City. The latter has never won the competition, but has a chance now. It has reached the QF consistently, after all.

    Therefore, this competitional stage of UCL deserves a special name: Sfârtaie.

    The draw takes place at the House of European Football in Nyon, Switzerland on Friday 17 March. The ceremony begins at 12:00 CET and will be streamed live on UEFA.com.

    The teams in the Champions League sfârtaie –

    Bayern (GER)
    Benfica (POR)
    Chelsea (ENG)
    Inter (ITA)
    Man City (ENG)
    Milan (ITA)
    Napoli (ITA)
    Real Madrid (ESP)

    I stick with my first bet: Blitzkrieg Bayern.

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Real Madrid – Chelsea

    April 11, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Benfica – Inter

    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Man City – Bayern

    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Milan – Napoli

    * 2nd leg April 18/19


    Champions League Semifinals
    -------------------------------------------------

    May 9, 2023
    ----------------------------------------------------
    • Milan / Napoli — Benfica / Inter

    May 10, 2023 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    • Real Madrid / Chelsea — Man City / Bayern

    * 2nd leg May 16/17


    Champions League Final
    --------------------------------------------

    June 10, 2023, Istanbul, Turkey --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    • Real Madrid / Chelsea / Man City / Bayern — Milan / Napoli / Benfica / Inter

    • There is no 2nd leg, but there should be a 2nd leg IF there is a tie after 120 minutes. Only the 2nd match should determine the Champion by way of penalty kicks. Dixi!

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Fri Mar 17 06:45:53 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 3:29:21 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:56:53 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Real Madrid – Chelsea

    April 11, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Benfica – Inter

    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Man City – Bayern

    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Milan – Napoli

    * 2nd leg April 18/19


    Champions League Semifinals -------------------------------------------------

    May 9, 2023
    ----------------------------------------------------
    • Milan / Napoli — Benfica / Inter

    May 10, 2023 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- • Real Madrid / Chelsea — Man City / Bayern

    * 2nd leg May 16/17


    Champions League Final
    --------------------------------------------

    June 10, 2023, Istanbul, Turkey --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    • Real Madrid / Chelsea / Man City / Bayern — Milan / Napoli / Benfica / Inter

    • There is no 2nd leg, but there should be a 2nd leg IF there is a tie after 120 minutes. Only the 2nd match should determine the Champion by way of penalty kicks. Dixi!

    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    “Houston, we got a problem!” Look at this matchup in sfârtaie: Man City – Bayern. They are the top betting favorites. That is, they were the top two favorites to win the Champions League.

    Yes, betting is an indicator. Thorough analysis goes into setting the odds. The bookies invest a lot of money, because they could lose a lot of money. Beginning with sfârtaie, there are no longer restrictions in the draw. Anybody can play anybody,
    regardless of country or city.

    But how about the potential? Evidently, not all teams are equal. “Some animals are more equal than others,” as George Orwell put it so eloquently. So, to cut it to the chase, I propose UEFA (and all other sports confederations) should drop the draws
    altogether.

    Instead of draws, they should apply the procedure in the NCAA basketball competition known as “March Madness”. Applied to UEFA Champions League sfârtaie, the following matchups should be established based on betting ranks:

    • #8 v. #1
    • #7 v. #2
    • #6 v. #3
    • #5 v. #4

    Next, the following matchups should comprise the semifinals:

    • #4 v. #1
    • #3 v. #2

    As for the Final, the lowest ranked team should be the “organizer” (“host”).

    Ion “Axiomatic Parpaluck” Saliu,
    Founder of Sports-betting Mathematics

    https://saliu.com/censorship.html
    • "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."

    https://saliu.com/betting.html
    • Theory and Strategy of Sports Prognostication or Betting

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Fri Mar 17 06:29:19 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:56:53 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Real Madrid – Chelsea

    April 11, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Benfica – Inter

    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Man City – Bayern

    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Milan – Napoli

    * 2nd leg April 18/19


    Champions League Semifinals -------------------------------------------------

    May 9, 2023
    ----------------------------------------------------
    • Milan / Napoli — Benfica / Inter

    May 10, 2023 -----------------------------------------------------------------------
    • Real Madrid / Chelsea — Man City / Bayern

    * 2nd leg May 16/17


    Champions League Final
    --------------------------------------------

    June 10, 2023, Istanbul, Turkey --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    • Real Madrid / Chelsea / Man City / Bayern — Milan / Napoli / Benfica / Inter

    • There is no 2nd leg, but there should be a 2nd leg IF there is a tie after 120 minutes. Only the 2nd match should determine the Champion by way of penalty kicks. Dixi!

    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:

    “Huston, we got a problem!” Look at this matchup in sfârtaie: Man City – Bayern. They are the top betting favorites. That is, they were the top two favorites to win the Champions League.

    Yes, betting is an indicator. Thorough analysis goes into setting the odds. The bookies invest a lot of money, because they could lose a lot of money. Beginning with sfârtaie, there are no longer restrictions in the draw. Anybody can play anybody,
    regardless of country or city.

    But how about the potential? Evidently, not all teams are equal. “Some animals are more equal than others,” as George Orwell put it so eloquently. So, to cut it to the chase, I propose UEFA (and all other sports confederations) should drop the draws
    altogether.

    Instead of draws, they should apply the procedure in the NCAA basketball completion known as “March Madness”. Applied to UEFA Champions League sfârtaie, the following matchups should be established based on betting ranks:

    • #8 v. #1
    • #7 v. #2
    • #6 v. #3
    • #5 v. #4

    Next, the following matchups should comprise the semifinals:

    • #4 v. #1
    • #3 v. #2

    As for the Final, the lowest ranked team should be the “organizer” (“host”).

    Ion “Axiomatic Parpaluck” Saliu,
    Founder of Sports-betting Mathematics

    https://saliu.com/censorship.html
    • "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."

    https://saliu.com/betting.html
    • Theory and Strategy of Sports Prognostication or Betting

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Fri Mar 17 06:59:57 2023
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 3:45:55 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 3:29:21 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Friday, March 17, 2023 at 1:56:53 PM UTC+2, Ion Saliu wrote:

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) ---------------------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Real Madrid – Chelsea

    April 11, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Benfica – Inter

    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Man City – Bayern

    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Milan – Napoli

    * 2nd leg April 18/19


    Champions League Semifinals -------------------------------------------------

    May 9, 2023
    ----------------------------------------------------
    • Milan / Napoli — Benfica / Inter

    May 10, 2023 ----------------------------------------------------------------------- • Real Madrid / Chelsea — Man City / Bayern

    * 2nd leg May 16/17


    Champions League Final
    --------------------------------------------

    June 10, 2023, Istanbul, Turkey --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    • Real Madrid / Chelsea / Man City / Bayern — Milan / Napoli / Benfica / Inter

    • There is no 2nd leg, but there should be a 2nd leg IF there is a tie after 120 minutes. Only the 2nd match should determine the Champion by way of penalty kicks. Dixi!
    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomatici et al.:
    “Houston, we got a problem!” Look at this matchup in sfârtaie: Man City – Bayern. They are the top betting favorites. That is, they were the top two favorites to win the Champions League.

    Yes, betting is an indicator. Thorough analysis goes into setting the odds. The bookies invest a lot of money, because they could lose a lot of money. Beginning with sfârtaie, there are no longer restrictions in the draw. Anybody can play anybody,
    regardless of country or city.

    But how about the potential? Evidently, not all teams are equal. “Some animals are more equal than others,” as George Orwell put it so eloquently. So, to cut it to the chase, I propose UEFA (and all other sports confederations) should drop the
    draws altogether.

    Instead of draws, they should apply the procedure in the NCAA basketball competition known as “March Madness”. Applied to UEFA Champions League sfârtaie, the following matchups should be established based on betting ranks:

    • #8 v. #1
    • #7 v. #2
    • #6 v. #3
    • #5 v. #4

    Next, the following matchups should comprise the semifinals:

    • #4 v. #1
    • #3 v. #2

    As for the Final, the lowest ranked team should be the “organizer” (“host”).

    Ion “Axiomatic Parpaluck” Saliu,
    Founder of Sports-betting Mathematics

    https://saliu.com/censorship.html
    • "Who controls the past controls the future; who controls the present controls the past."

    https://saliu.com/betting.html
    • Theory and Strategy of Sports Prognostication or Betting

    Odds to win 2022-23 UEFA Champions League, March 17, 2023

    Manchester City +175
    Bayern Munich +275
    Real Madrid +550
    Napoli +600
    Chelsea +1000
    Inter Milan +2000
    Benfica +2500
    AC Milan +3300

    Based on the criterion in my previous post, the fairest UCL Sfârtaie should have been as follows:

    • Milan – Man City
    • Benfica – Bayern
    • Inter – Real Madrid
    • Chelsea – Napoli

    Most likely, there will be new seedings for the semifinals.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Tue Apr 11 14:01:50 2023
    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -------------------------
    • Benfica – Inter 0 – 2
    • Man City – Bayern 3 – 0

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to ionsaliu@gmail.com on Tue Apr 11 23:28:20 2023
    In article <45f2c14d-cf8f-4b17-84d7-751bd031552cn@googlegroups.com>,
    Ion Saliu <ionsaliu@gmail.com> wrote:

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results >-----------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -------------------------
    • Benfica – Inter 0 – 2
    • Man City – Bayern 3 – 0

    Still to interestng!
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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Apr 12 04:02:10 2023
    On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:01:52 AM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -------------------------
    • Man City – Bayern 3 – 0

    Ultra Axiomatics:

    It was a game-of-thrones-like between Fantasy and Fear. “Blitzkrieg” Bayern entered the match fantasizing about another humiliating skore against an English team; e.g. 7 – 2 against Tottenham and 3 – 0 against Chelsea, both in London, a couple of
    years ago. Manchester City, managed by a former Bartzelonian, feared a humiliating defeat, like that 2 – 8, also a couple of years ago. Perhaps a 0 – 5+ defeat would cure Bayern of their “addiction”.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Apr 12 14:05:45 2023
    On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:01:52 AM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -------------------------
    • Benfica – Inter 0 – 2
    • Man City – Bayern 3 – 0

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------

    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------------
    • Real Madrid – Chelsea 2 – 0
    • Milan – Napoli 1 – 0


    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 2nd Leg Schedule ------------------------------------------------------------

    April 18, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Napoli – Milan
    • Chelsea – Real Madrid

    April 19, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Bayern – Man City
    • Inter – Benfica

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to ionsaliu@gmail.com on Wed Apr 12 22:44:17 2023
    In article <54b90cfb-b82f-40aa-ab0e-33f638318d9an@googlegroups.com>,
    Ion Saliu <ionsaliu@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:01:52 AM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results
    -----------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -------------------------
    • Benfica – Inter 0 – 2
    • Man City – Bayern 3 – 0

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results >-----------------------------------------------------------

    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------------
    • Real Madrid – Chelsea 2 – 0
    • Milan – Napoli 1 – 0


    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 2nd Leg Schedule >------------------------------------------------------------

    April 18, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Napoli – Milan
    • Chelsea – Real Madrid

    April 19, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Bayern – Man City
    • Inter – Benfica



    Too close to call.
    --
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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 13 03:18:11 2023
    You can fill your 2023 Champions League bracket on UEFA site:

    https://gaming.uefa.com/en/uclbracket/
    • Your Champions League bracket

    I completed my bracket:

    • Semifinals
    Real Madrid — Man City
    Napoli — Inter

    • Final
    Man City — Napoli

    • Champion
    Man City

    Here is the image:

    https://Saliu.com/images/UCL2023Bracket.png

    You can do your own bracket and post it here…

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Tue Apr 18 14:02:17 2023
    On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:05:47 AM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:01:52 AM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -------------------------
    • Benfica – Inter 0 – 2
    • Man City – Bayern 3 – 0

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------
    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------------
    • Real Madrid – Chelsea 2 – 0
    • Milan – Napoli 1 – 0


    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 2nd Leg Schedule ------------------------------------------------------------

    April 18, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Napoli – Milan
    • Chelsea – Real Madrid

    April 19, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Bayern – Man City
    • Inter – Benfica

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 2nd Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------

    April 18, 2023
    -------------------------------
    • Napoli – Milan * 1 – 1
    • Chelsea – Real Madrid * 0 – 2

    * advanced to semifinals

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed Apr 19 14:01:21 2023
    On Wednesday, April 19, 2023 at 12:02:19 AM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Thursday, April 13, 2023 at 12:05:47 AM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 12, 2023 at 12:01:52 AM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------

    April 11, 2023
    -------------------------
    • Benfica – Inter 0 – 2
    • Man City – Bayern 3 – 0

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 1st Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------
    April 12, 2023
    -----------------------------
    • Real Madrid – Chelsea 2 – 0
    • Milan – Napoli 1 – 0


    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 2nd Leg Schedule ------------------------------------------------------------

    April 18, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Napoli – Milan
    • Chelsea – Real Madrid

    April 19, 2023
    -----------------------
    • Bayern – Man City
    • Inter – Benfica
    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 2nd Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------

    April 18, 2023
    -------------------------------
    • Napoli – Milan * 1 – 1
    • Chelsea – Real Madrid * 0 – 2

    * advanced to semifinals

    Champions League Sfârtaie (Quarterfinals) – 2nd Leg Results -----------------------------------------------------------

    April 19, 2023
    ---------------------------
    • Bayern – Man City * 1 – 1
    • Inter * – Benfica 3 – 3

    * advanced to semifinals


    Champions League Semifinals
    ---------------------------

    May 9/10, 2023
    --------------------------
    • Milan — Inter
    • Real Madrid — Man City

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Thu Apr 20 03:36:41 2023
    Champions League Semifinals – 1st Leg Schedule ----------------------------------------------


    May 9, 2023
    -------------------------
    • Real Madrid — Man City

    May 10, 2023
    ---------------
    • Milan — Inter


    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Schedule ----------------------------------------------


    May 16, 2023
    ---------------
    • Inter — Milan

    May 17, 2023
    ------------------------
    • Man City — Real Madrid


    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos, Assiomatici, Axiomaticilor et al.:

    I wonder, what’s the purpose of this form of idiocy in scheduling? It does create an advantage for some teams. They benefit from two extra days of rest. It does count, UEFA stupidiots! Some explain to me that they have large egos, them UEFA fat-cats.
    And that creates idiots, by and large.

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to ionsaliu@gmail.com on Thu Apr 20 11:53:50 2023
    In article <a94db5a0-7fc7-4bad-a8ac-b4a5781c3b48n@googlegroups.com>,
    Ion Saliu <ionsaliu@gmail.com> wrote:

    Champions League Semifinals – 1st Leg Schedule >----------------------------------------------


    May 9, 2023
    -------------------------
    • Real Madrid — Man City

    May 10, 2023
    ---------------
    • Milan — Inter


    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Schedule >----------------------------------------------


    May 16, 2023
    ---------------
    • Inter — Milan

    May 17, 2023
    ------------------------
    • Man City — Real Madrid


    Ultra Axiomatics, Axiomatiques, Axiomatischen, Axiomáticos,
    Assiomatici, Axiomaticilor et al.:

    I wonder, what’s the purpose of this form of idiocy in scheduling? It
    does create an advantage for some teams. They benefit from two extra
    days of rest. It does count, UEFA stupidiots! Some explain to me that
    they have large egos, them UEFA fat-cats. And that creates idiots, by
    and large.


    Milan Police now in super active mode!
    --
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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Thu May 11 05:12:52 2023
    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Schedule ----------------------------------------------

    May 16, 2023
    ---------------
    • Inter — Milan

    May 17, 2023
    ------------------------
    • Man City — Real Madrid

    The stubborn idiocy in scheduling… persists… of course. Inter and Milan play their second-leg match after 6 days. Real Mad’ and Man’ City play their rematch after 8 days. They benefit from 2 extra days of rest. That matters even at the beginning
    of the season, let alone the ending period. The Milan — Inter footballers looked exhausted toward the end of their match. It’ll be worse and… uglier in the second leg.

    Real Mad’ – Man’ City was boring enough — because of tiki-taka and fear of tiki-taka. Milan — Inter was a typical soccer match between two Italian teams: Ugly, violent, no clarity. Hey, that’s how the Italian teams won so many international
    trophies! As one famous ultra, Machiavelli, put it so eloquently: “The end justifies the means”.

    “Cei care trec de sfârtaie
    Nicicând nu o fac de oaie
    Sunt cu adevărat berbeci:
    Mielule *, de ei nu treci!”

    * Also, indirect reference to ‘Mielu lu Mnezău’ (‘God’s Rabid Lamb’), former-actual owner of ZCSB.

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Thu May 11 18:40:15 2023
    Ion Saliu wrote:


    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Schedule ----------------------------------------------

    May 16, 2023
    ---------------
    • Inter — Milan

    May 17, 2023
    ------------------------
    • Man City — Real Madrid

    The stubborn idiocy in scheduling… persists… of course. Inter and Milan play their second-leg match after 6 days. Real Mad’ and Man’ City play their rematch after 8 days. They benefit from 2 extra days of rest. That matters even at the beginning of the season, let alone the ending
    period. The Milan — Inter footballers looked exhausted toward the end of their match. It’ll be worse and… uglier in the second leg.

    The six day/eight day break thing is a bit silly and probably unfair but
    it's mainly to do with TV rights, as both match-days can be in different 'packages'. In some countries one TV channel has the rights to Tuesday
    night Champions League games and another channel has the rights to
    Wednesday night Champions League games. (In Ireland, for instance, RTE
    gets the Tuesday matches, Virgin Media gets the games on Wednesday.)
    Players being tired or not, is not a part of it!

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Blueshirt on Fri May 12 04:01:46 2023
    On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 7:40:19 PM UTC+3, Blueshirt wrote:
    Ion Saliu wrote:


    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Schedule ----------------------------------------------

    May 16, 2023
    ---------------
    • Inter — Milan

    May 17, 2023
    ------------------------
    • Man City — Real Madrid

    The stubborn idiocy in scheduling… persists… of course. Inter and Milan
    play their second-leg match after 6 days. Real Mad’ and Man’ City play their rematch after 8 days. They benefit from 2 extra days of rest. That matters even at the beginning of the season, let alone the ending
    period. The Milan — Inter footballers looked exhausted toward the end of their match. It’ll be worse and… uglier in the second leg.
    The six day/eight day break thing is a bit silly and probably unfair but it's mainly to do with TV rights, as both match-days can be in different 'packages'. In some countries one TV channel has the rights to Tuesday
    night Champions League games and another channel has the rights to
    Wednesday night Champions League games. (In Ireland, for instance, RTE
    gets the Tuesday matches, Virgin Media gets the games on Wednesday.)
    Players being tired or not, is not a part of it!

    Axiomatic One:

    Granted, TV is the lifeline of professional sports. There wouldn’t be professional sports without television. The per-day packaging of TV rights is weird and rather unusual. UEFA (and sport's governing bodies) should not — must not — schedule based
    on an insignificant factor. The players’ performance, and especially health, are far more important factors.

    The final stages of competition always attract more attention. Alas! They are of lower quality and the clumsy excuse is: “The players are ever-so-tired this late in the season!”

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Fri May 12 15:52:48 2023
    Ion Saliu wrote:

    On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 7:40:19 PM UTC+3, Blueshirt wrote:
    Ion Saliu wrote:


    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Schedule ----------------------------------------------

    May 16, 2023
    ---------------
    • Inter — Milan

    May 17, 2023
    ------------------------
    • Man City — Real Madrid

    The stubborn idiocy in scheduling… persists… of course. Inter and Milan play their second-leg match after 6 days. Real Mad’ and Man’ City play their rematch after 8 days. They benefit from 2 extra days
    of rest. That matters even at the beginning of the season, let alone
    the ending period. The Milan — Inter footballers looked exhausted toward the end of their match. It’ll be worse and… uglier in the second leg.
    The six day/eight day break thing is a bit silly and probably unfair
    but it's mainly to do with TV rights, as both match-days can be in different 'packages'. In some countries one TV channel has the rights
    to Tuesday night Champions League games and another channel has the
    rights to Wednesday night Champions League games. (In Ireland, for instance, RTE gets the Tuesday matches, Virgin Media gets the games on Wednesday.) Players being tired or not, is not a part of it!

    Axiomatic One:

    Granted, TV is the lifeline of professional sports. There wouldn’t be professional sports without television. The per-day packaging of TV
    rights is weird and rather unusual. UEFA (and sport's governing bodies) should not — must not — schedule based on an insignificant factor. The players’ performance, and especially health, are far more important factors.

    The final stages of competition always attract more attention. Alas!
    They are of lower quality and the clumsy excuse is: “The players are ever-so-tired this late in the season!”

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  • From Blueshirt@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Fri May 12 18:30:46 2023
    Ion Saliu wrote:

    Granted, TV is the lifeline of professional sports. There wouldn’t be professional sports without television. The per-day packaging of TV
    rights is weird and rather unusual. UEFA (and sport's governing bodies) should not — must not — schedule based on an insignificant factor. The players’ performance, and especially health, are far more important factors.

    UEFA would say that their revenue from TV broadcasting rights is very
    important and maybe point out that without that income we wouldn't have
    the Champions League tournament that we have today...

    https://www.statista.com/statistics/378203/rights-revenue-of-uefa/


    [Outdated stats, but the income graph and revenue generated is telling]

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Tue May 16 14:02:07 2023
    On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 3:12:54 PM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Schedule ----------------------------------------------

    May 16, 2023
    ---------------
    • Inter — Milan

    May 17, 2023
    ------------------------
    • Man City — Real Madrid
    The stubborn idiocy in scheduling… persists… of course. Inter and Milan play their second-leg match after 6 days. Real Mad’ and Man’ City play their rematch after 8 days. They benefit from 2 extra days of rest. That matters even at the
    beginning of the season, let alone the ending period. The Milan — Inter footballers looked exhausted toward the end of their match. It’ll be worse and… uglier in the second leg.

    Real Mad’ – Man’ City was boring enough — because of tiki-taka and fear of tiki-taka. Milan — Inter was a typical soccer match between two Italian teams: Ugly, violent, no clarity. Hey, that’s how the Italian teams won so many international
    trophies! As one famous ultra, Machiavelli, put it so eloquently: “The end justifies the means”.

    “Cei care trec de sfârtaie
    Nicicând nu o fac de oaie
    Sunt cu adevărat berbeci:
    Mielule *, de ei nu treci!”

    * Also, indirect reference to ‘Mielu lu Mnezău’ (‘God’s Rabid Lamb’), former-actual owner of ZCSB.

    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Results ---------------------------------------------

    May 16, 2023
    ------------------------
    • Inter* — Milan: 1 – 0

    * advanced to final

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to ionsaliu@gmail.com on Tue May 16 23:19:59 2023
    In article <542da44a-c0bc-4459-9ec2-a3412a2a6e49n@googlegroups.com>,
    Ion Saliu <ionsaliu@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Thursday, May 11, 2023 at 3:12:54 PM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Schedule
    ----------------------------------------------

    May 16, 2023
    ---------------
    • Inter — Milan

    May 17, 2023
    ------------------------
    • Man City — Real Madrid
    The stubborn idiocy in scheduling… persists… of course. Inter and
    Milan play their second-leg match after 6 days. Real Mad’ and Man’
    City play their rematch after 8 days. They benefit from 2 extra days of
    rest. That matters even at the beginning of the season, let alone the
    ending period. The Milan — Inter footballers looked exhausted toward
    the end of their match. It’ll be worse and… uglier in the second
    leg.

    Real Mad’ – Man’ City was boring enough — because of tiki-taka
    and fear of tiki-taka. Milan — Inter was a typical soccer match
    between two Italian teams: Ugly, violent, no clarity. Hey, that’s how
    the Italian teams won so many international trophies! As one famous
    ultra, Machiavelli, put it so eloquently: “The end justifies the
    means”.

    “Cei care trec de sfârtaie
    Nicicând nu o fac de oaie
    Sunt cu adevărat berbeci:
    Mielule *, de ei nu treci!”

    * Also, indirect reference to ‘Mielu lu Mnezău’ (‘God’s Rabid >Lamb’), former-actual owner of ZCSB.

    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Results >---------------------------------------------

    May 16, 2023
    ------------------------
    • Inter* — Milan: 1 – 0

    * advanced to final


    Inter goes forth!
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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to The Doctor on Wed May 17 02:25:42 2023
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 2:20:03 AM UTC+3, The Doctor wrote:


    Inter goes forth!

    Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nk.ca Ici doc...@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
    Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Alberta 29 May 2023 boot out the UCP and the NDP! Beware https://mindspring.com

    Watch out, Sultan Erdogan (ex-goalkeeper)! The Istanbul Final could pit:

    Inter Demolition vs Man Boredom!

    "Yahweh, Yahweh, King of goats
    Don't jump at our throats
    Let people live on Usenet,
    Don't fuque the Internet!"

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Wed May 17 13:57:55 2023
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 12:25:44 PM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 2:20:03 AM UTC+3, The Doctor wrote:


    Inter goes forth!
    Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nk.ca Ici doc...@nk.ca Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
    Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
    Alberta 29 May 2023 boot out the UCP and the NDP! Beware https://mindspring.com
    Watch out, Sultan Erdogan (ex-goalkeeper)! The Istanbul Final could pit:

    Inter Demolition vs Man Boredom!

    "Yahweh, Yahweh, King of goats
    Don't jump at our throats
    Let people live on Usenet,
    Don't fuque the Internet!"

    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Results ---------------------------------------------

    May 17, 2023
    -------------------------------
    • Man City* — Real Madrid: 4 – 0 (???)

    * advanced to final



    Champions League Final
    ----------------------

    June 10, 2023, Istanbul, Turkey
    -------------------------------
    • Man City — Inter

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  • From The Doctor@21:1/5 to ionsaliu@gmail.com on Wed May 17 22:01:13 2023
    In article <9d504f68-1d26-4d03-84cb-6c9b5807013fn@googlegroups.com>,
    Ion Saliu <ionsaliu@gmail.com> wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 12:25:44 PM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 17, 2023 at 2:20:03 AM UTC+3, The Doctor wrote:


    Inter goes forth!
    Member - Liberal International This is doc...@nk.ca Ici doc...@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware
    AntiChrist rising!
    Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism >https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
    Alberta 29 May 2023 boot out the UCP and the NDP! Beware >https://mindspring.com
    Watch out, Sultan Erdogan (ex-goalkeeper)! The Istanbul Final could pit:

    Inter Demolition vs Man Boredom!

    "Yahweh, Yahweh, King of goats
    Don't jump at our throats
    Let people live on Usenet,
    Don't fuque the Internet!"

    Champions League Semifinals – 2nd Leg Results >---------------------------------------------

    May 17, 2023
    -------------------------------
    • Man City* — Real Madrid: 4 – 0 (???)

    * advanced to final



    Champions League Final
    ----------------------

    June 10, 2023, Istanbul, Turkey
    -------------------------------
    • Man City — Inter


    Thug fest!
    --
    Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
    Yahweh, King & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising! Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b Alberta 29 May 2023 boot out the UCP and the NDP! Beware https://mindspring.com

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Sun Jun 11 03:05:39 2023
    On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 12:52:39 PM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:
    UEFA Champions League Final
    ---------------------------
    June 10, 2023, Istanbul, Turkey
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    • Man City — Inter: 1 – 0

    BIG DISAPPOINTMENT! The most anticipated sporting event of the year of grace 2023 only magnified the fundamental weakness of soccer: L0W SCORING. The game is played on a very large field and, by rules, it is extremely hard to score. Therefore, there
    ain’t too much scoring; in turn, it all becomes a two-hour long BOREDOM.

    By contrast, American pro sports are significantly more exciting. It is now the time of the NBA finals and the NHL finals (Stanley Cup). Of course, basketball is a high-scoring sport. Hockey is just a bit higher-scoring than soccer, but it is very fast,
    with almost non-stop action.

    Both sports are a lot more exciting to watch for neutral viewers. In soccer, only the proper fans find the game exciting. They do not watch a sporting event — they live a… near-death experience. They live only for the RESULT. There is only the
    forest… without trees!

    Incidentally, there is also a final in Grand Slam tennis this time of year: the French Open. That also is a much more exciting event than soccer for neutral fans.

    Ion “Axiomatic Parpaluck” Saliu
    Founder of Philosophical Science of Sports

    All those billions of petrodollars spent by some soccer maniacs with deep pockets! For what? For a “jewelry of crap”?!

    I repeat for the Nth time. Soccer needs major changes in rules. Make the game more exciting. Hockey did it about a couple of decades ago. Even if there would be more mistakes “committed” by the players. The most exciting soccer match of this 2022–
    2023 season was one full of severe mistakes: Liverpool – Real Madrid 2 – 5.

    Let the mistakes flood the pitch! It is so much more exciting. For starters, get rid of the antagonizing rule of offside. Also, make illegal passing to own goalkeeper. More mistakes would occur; therefore, higher scoring.

    Ion “Axiomatic Parpaluck” Saliu
    Founder of Philosophical Science of Sports

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 11 02:52:38 2023
    UEFA Champions League Final
    ---------------------------

    June 10, 2023, Istanbul, Turkey
    -------------------------------
    • Man City — Inter: 1 – 0

    BIG DISAPPOINTMENT! The most anticipated sporting event of the year of grace 2023 only magnified the fundamental weakness of soccer: L0W SCORING. The game is played on a very large field and, by rules, it is extremely hard to score. Therefore, there ain
    t too much scoring; in turn, it all becomes a two-hour long BOREDOM.

    By contrast, American pro sports are significantly more exciting. It is now the time of the NBA finals and the NHL finals (Stanley Cup). Of course, basketball is a high-scoring sport. Hockey is just a bit higher-scoring than soccer, but it is very fast,
    with almost non-stop action.

    Both sports are a lot more exciting to watch for neutral viewers. In soccer, only the proper fans find the game exciting. They do not watch a sporting event — they live a… near-death experience. They live only for the RESULT. There is only the forest
    without trees!

    Incidentally, there is also a final in Grand Slam tennis this time of year: the French Open. That also is a much more exciting event than soccer for neutral fans.

    Ion “Axiomatic Parpaluck” Saliu
    Founder Philosophical Science of Sports

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Sun Jun 11 04:07:47 2023
    On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 10:52:39 AM UTC+1, Ion Saliu wrote:
    UEFA Champions League Final
    ---------------------------
    June 10, 2023, Istanbul, Turkey
    -------------------------------
    • Man City — Inter: 1 – 0

    BIG DISAPPOINTMENT! The most anticipated sporting event of the year of grace 2023 only magnified the fundamental weakness of soccer: L0W SCORING. The game is played on a very large field and, by rules, it is extremely hard to score. Therefore, there
    ain’t too much scoring; in turn, it all becomes a two-hour long BOREDOM.

    It wasn't particularly anticipated by me. I watched the Women's Champions League Final instead. That was a good match.

    And of course there's always other better tournaments like the Copa Libertadores and the Women's World Cup.

    By contrast, American pro sports are significantly more exciting. It is now the time of the NBA finals and the NHL finals (Stanley Cup). Of course, basketball is a high-scoring sport. Hockey is just a bit higher-scoring than soccer, but it is very fast,
    with almost non-stop action.

    Both sports are a lot more exciting to watch for neutral viewers. In soccer, only the proper fans find the game exciting. They do not watch a sporting event — they live a… near-death experience. They live only for the RESULT. There is only the
    forest… without trees!

    Incidentally, there is also a final in Grand Slam tennis this time of year: the French Open. That also is a much more exciting event than soccer for neutral fans.

    Ion “Axiomatic Parpaluck” Saliu
    Founder Philosophical Science of Sports

    I watched the Netball World Cup Final in 2019, and felt there were too many goals! A lead of less than 5 goals felt kind of inconsequential. So it is possible to go too far the other way.

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Mark on Sun Jun 11 05:52:08 2023
    On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 2:07:49 PM UTC+3, Mark wrote:

    It wasn't particularly anticipated by me. I watched the Women's Champions League Final instead. That was a good match.

    Good for you, axiomático!

    And of course there's always other better tournaments like the Copa Libertadores and the Women's World Cup.

    I’ve always liked the Women’s World Cup better than the men’s tight-up brawl. Women play more spectacularly, being less concerned with the result. Still on the plus side, it is sexier (in the best meaning of the word!)

    The final at Roland Garros is coming up. It is must-see TV…

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  • From Ion Saliu@21:1/5 to Ion Saliu on Sun Jun 11 10:17:07 2023
    On Sunday, June 11, 2023 at 3:52:09 PM UTC+3, Ion Saliu wrote:

    The final at Roland Garros is coming up. It is must-see TV…

    Ultra-Axiomatics:

    Novak Djoković has won his 23rd Grand Slam title at Roland Garros… 2023! He is now the UNDISPUTED GOAT — The Greatest Of All Time. Now, that’s a REAL champion!

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