On Thursday, December 15, 2022 at 12:56:21 AM UTC+2, Blueshirt wrote:

Mark wrote:

On Tuesday, December 13, 2022 at 9:34:33 PM UTC, Blueshirt wrote:

If you seriously think in 2022 that the Brazilian and Argentinian leagues are bigger than the [English] Premier League then I can
only say that IMO it's a delusional position based on a clear anti-English bias. I've given up trying to discuss this with you as
you only want to accept YOUR own criteria and point of view... try looking out of the window and see what's going on in the real
world.

That's not true either. Apart from possibly Werner, nobody other than
you has mentioned the English League in this thread. And I'M the very person that asked about other criteria. It was everybody else that
were slow to mention other criteria. I could quite easily have just accepted the fact that by the criterion in the OP, I'd (to some
extent) proved my point, and left it at that. But I want to discuss
other criteria as well.

In a previous post you left out the English and French leagues, so it
was natural to assume that you felt the Argentinian and Brazilian
leagues would replace THEM in any top five list. If you don't believe
that, then state what are the top five leagues in your opinion and just
what European leagues would those two South American leagues replace?

You HAVE been given criteria.

I said wages, you can throw-in transfer fees paid on top of that,
others have said TV broadcasting and streaming rights. You could also
add sponsorship fees in to that too, as it's all linked. Also, where
top players want to play and top managers want to manage. Global
popularity might also be a criteria. There is plenty of different
criteria there but you have continued with international prestige based
on clubs winning trophies decades ago. It's true football in Europe is
all about money nowadays, which probably isn't a good thing but you
can't put the toothpaste back in to the tube! In 2022, it is what it
is... and that's the crux of this discussion, we are talking about NOW.

YOU may not like it but some of the biggest and most well known clubs
in the world play in the English Premier League. So I'm sure most
people would consider the English Premier League a top league with a
lot of strong sides in it... at this moment in time anyway.

And of course, an English club are the current FIFA Club World
Champions! :-)

... or go out and about and ask other football fans what they think
and see what they say about it.

That's exactly what I'm doing. You said to test my views by
discussing them with other football fans, and I'm doing exactly that
here on rss.

Actually, my original idea was to start a survey or online poll. Of
which there are plenty on the internet that are able to be set up by
people [like you] wanting to test out an idea. It doesn't always have
to be about re-making Star Wars!

Asking people here on RSS isn't really going to give you a decent representative sample as there's only around 20 or so regular posters here... I'll let the maths guy give you the actual percentage
breakdown of getting a proper sample size needed to your question! ;-)
But after saying that, you have been given responses but you don't seem happy with them. <shrugs>

Coming from the USA, I made a full subscription with Telekom Romania: Cable, Internet, mobile. I knew them from the USA for top quality. But the package offered to me is absolutely world-class, in terms of price and performance. At 100 Mardei (RON) a
month, it's something extraordinary. In the US it would cost about 800 monthly minimum.

And suddenly I wake up with an OFFENSIVE message on my TV transferred from Telekom to Orange. “English Premiere League is running. We apologize this sporting event is not available on the Orange network!” I cursed them, of course. Although I have
never watched EPL in Romanian. It was always on the Internet, and only with English commentators.

EPL is allowed to watch only with English commentators. Foreigners do not know that in the EPL, the inventors of football, there is no FOUL. I remember watching Liverpool-ManCity 2 years ago. The Liverpool right-back butchered a ManCity forward. The
English commentators said: “For our foreign audience, we must say it was no foul — it was a crime.”

Of course, crime does not go punished in English football. It is a crime, however, to watch EPL in a language other than English. The best football, nonetheless, M’ritser and all EPL detractors! EPL is the best money can buy in football. Surely, it
does contribute to the degradation of most other national leagues. C’est la vie!

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