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    From Real Mardin@21:1/5 to ions...@gmail.com on Sat Dec 31 02:19:06 2022
    On Friday, December 30, 2022 at 2:43:17 PM UTC, ions...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Thursday, December 29, 2022 at 9:12:24 PM UTC+2, jesus...@gmail.com wrote:
    The greatest ever.

    Tchau!
    Jesus Petry
    Undoubtedly the Greatest Of All Time — GOAT. There is NO “the greatest condolences of all time”, as far as I know. I can only dedicate one hymn to GREAT PELÉ:

    • “Shine On You Crazy Diamond”
    • https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWGE9Gi0bB0


    Just caught the end of a Pelé memorial on TRT and apparently Pelé played in goal four times and didn’t end up on the losing side once! Was there no end to the man’s talents?


    RM

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  • From KaiserD2@21:1/5 to All on Sat Dec 31 10:26:02 2022
    A few comments on Pele.

    One quibble: everyone says that he won three World Cups. He played
    on three cup-winning sides, but in 1962 I believe he played in only
    1.5 first round matches and that was it. It might even have been .5
    first round matches. He tore a muscle and they won without him thanks
    largely to Garrincha.

    The Brazilian teams of 1950 and 1954--which did not win--had black
    stars, and Didi and Djalma Santos were stars of the 1958 and 1962
    winners.

    As for his play: there are some fantastic highlight videos of him
    on youtube which I recommend. I don't think any other player
    sustained a comparable performance level over such a long time.
    Watching those videos, I don't think there has ever been a more
    ambidextrous player. He could dribble through two defenders with his
    right foot and then hit an absolutely spectacular shot with his left
    foot. I've seen Ronaldo (Cristiano) and Diego Forlan hit remarkable
    shots with their left feet but not as many.

    Watching highlights from 1970--and I own all their 1970
    games--what's amazing is how Pele, Gerson, and all the others are
    constantly looking for a killer pass to put someone through. Many of
    them don't make it, but they don't care, and when one
    does---GOOOOOOOL!!! More recent Brazilian teams waste a lot more
    time. I don't think any subsequent team can match Rivelino, Tostao,
    Pele and Jairzhino as a forward line.

    The first time I saw him play a full game as it happened was his
    Cosmos debut. He headed a tremendous goal.

    RIP--I don't thnk we can produce a player like him any more. He
    was taught by his father whose pro career was cut short by injury, and
    his father made him learn everything.

    David Kaiser

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  • From Mark@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jan 1 03:53:34 2023
    On Saturday, December 31, 2022 at 3:26:09 PM UTC, KaiserD2 wrote:
    A few comments on Pele.

    One quibble: everyone says that he won three World Cups. He played
    on three cup-winning sides, but in 1962 I believe he played in only
    1.5 first round matches and that was it. It might even have been .5
    first round matches. He tore a muscle and they won without him thanks
    largely to Garrincha.

    He was part of the squad, and 1.5 1st round matches was probably a quarter of the tournament. I think that's enough to have earned his medal.

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