• I miss everrybody

    From joe@mich.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 3 14:01:10 2024
    So sad.

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to joe@mich.com on Thu Jul 4 22:28:49 2024
    On 2024-07-03, joe@mich.com <joe@mich.com> wrote:

    So sad.

    Yes, me too. Here is some nostalgia:

    https://pmarca.substack.com/p/the-true-story-as-best-i-can-remember

    Remembering the first days of the Internet when we were a million of the smartest engineers and scientists connected by Usenet. Posting to newsgroups where you might get an answer from the most accomplished person in the
    world on a particular subject.

    I was at Andreesen's first public demo of Mosaic, and came back to my
    company telling everyone we had to do this. I'd been on Usenet for 4 years, getting only a few newsgroups via a feed from UIUC. I didn't hit RSFC until just before eternal September, because I didn't pull anything from rec.*,
    only news.*, sci.*, and comp.*.

    --
    Lucky people are skilled at creating & noticing chance opportunities, make lucky decisions by listening to their intuition, create self-fulfilling prophesies via positive expectations, & adopt a resilient attitude that transforms bad luck into good.
    -- Richard Wiseman

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to Joe@mich.com on Sat Jul 6 14:04:02 2024
    On 2024-07-06, Joe@mich.com <Joe@mich.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:28:49 -0000 (UTC), "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:

    On 2024-07-03, joe@mich.com <joe@mich.com> wrote:

    So sad.

    Yes, me too. Here is some nostalgia:

    https://pmarca.substack.com/p/the-true-story-as-best-i-can-remember

    Remembering the first days of the Internet when we were a million of the >>smartest engineers and scientists connected by Usenet. Posting to newsgroups >>where you might get an answer from the most accomplished person in the >>world on a particular subject.

    I was at Andreesen's first public demo of Mosaic, and came back to my >>company telling everyone we had to do this. I'd been on Usenet for 4 years, >>getting only a few newsgroups via a feed from UIUC. I didn't hit RSFC until >>just before eternal September, because I didn't pull anything from rec.*, >>only news.*, sci.*, and comp.*.

    I first saw the internet about 1990, when when my company gave engineers Sun workstations,
    along with usenet, email, and ftp,. Usenet was pretty well deveoped by then, I read
    groups in almost every category. Usenet was useful as well and entertainment, but email and ftp were invaluable.
    I thought that was the extent of the internet.Then in 1995 or so I was listening to the radio "Hearts of Space" and in his slow
    deep drawl, he said more info could be found on the "World Wide Web". What the f*** was that?
    Within 6 months we all had Netscape.Coincidentally, I tried to order a book from B&N, it would be 5 weeks
    and only if their distributor carried it.Tried the WWW and discovered a small bookstore name Amazon, book
    was 30% cheaper and delivered to my door in 3 days. That was when I began to think change was in the air,
    and when AMZ bought Tool Crip, that confirmed it,

    Sears as always special to me, it always angered me that if I could see what was coming, that their professionals
    couldn't. Sears could easily have out Amazoned Amazon,or even bought and renamed AMZ but they had the same
    management type as A&P and mnay others.

    Was your company in Brevard at the time?

    No, I was at a company in Champaign, which is how I got connected to
    the internet so early. Arguably my greatest contribution was to
    register cd.com when those opened up, which ended up being one of the
    largest assets of the company when it was sold.

    I went technical and started writing an e-commerce program which
    eventually got successful enough to be bought by Red Hat. All
    because I got connected to the internet at UIUC and went to see
    Andreesen demonstrate Mosaic. I used BBS systems, Gopher, and WAIS
    before I used www.

    --
    Life isn't fair, but it's good. -- Regina Brett

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  • From Joe@mich.com@21:1/5 to unhyphenated American" on Sat Jul 6 09:24:09 2024
    On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:28:49 -0000 (UTC), "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:

    On 2024-07-03, joe@mich.com <joe@mich.com> wrote:

    So sad.

    Yes, me too. Here is some nostalgia:

    https://pmarca.substack.com/p/the-true-story-as-best-i-can-remember

    Remembering the first days of the Internet when we were a million of the >smartest engineers and scientists connected by Usenet. Posting to newsgroups >where you might get an answer from the most accomplished person in the
    world on a particular subject.

    I was at Andreesen's first public demo of Mosaic, and came back to my
    company telling everyone we had to do this. I'd been on Usenet for 4 years, >getting only a few newsgroups via a feed from UIUC. I didn't hit RSFC until >just before eternal September, because I didn't pull anything from rec.*, >only news.*, sci.*, and comp.*.

    I first saw the internet about 1990, when when my company gave engineers Sun workstations,
    along with usenet, email, and ftp,. Usenet was pretty well deveoped by then, I read
    groups in almost every category. Usenet was useful as well and entertainment, but email and ftp were invaluable.
    I thought that was the extent of the internet.Then in 1995 or so I was listening to the radio "Hearts of Space" and in his slow
    deep drawl, he said more info could be found on the "World Wide Web". What the f*** was that?
    Within 6 months we all had Netscape.Coincidentally, I tried to order a book from B&N, it would be 5 weeks
    and only if their distributor carried it.Tried the WWW and discovered a small bookstore name Amazon, book
    was 30% cheaper and delivered to my door in 3 days. That was when I began to think change was in the air,
    and when AMZ bought Tool Crip, that confirmed it,

    Sears as always special to me, it always angered me that if I could see what was coming, that their professionals
    couldn't. Sears could easily have out Amazoned Amazon,or even bought and renamed AMZ but they had the same
    management type as A&P and mnay others.

    Was your company in Brevard at the time?

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  • From joe@mich.com@21:1/5 to unhyphenated American" on Sun Jul 7 12:57:26 2024
    On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 14:04:02 -0000 (UTC), "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:

    On 2024-07-06, Joe@mich.com <Joe@mich.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:28:49 -0000 (UTC), "Con Reeder, unhyphenated American" <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:

    On 2024-07-03, joe@mich.com <joe@mich.com> wrote:

    So sad.

    Yes, me too. Here is some nostalgia:

    https://pmarca.substack.com/p/the-true-story-as-best-i-can-remember

    Remembering the first days of the Internet when we were a million of the >>>smartest engineers and scientists connected by Usenet. Posting to newsgroups >>>where you might get an answer from the most accomplished person in the >>>world on a particular subject.

    I was at Andreesen's first public demo of Mosaic, and came back to my >>>company telling everyone we had to do this. I'd been on Usenet for 4 years, >>>getting only a few newsgroups via a feed from UIUC. I didn't hit RSFC until >>>just before eternal September, because I didn't pull anything from rec.*, >>>only news.*, sci.*, and comp.*.

    I first saw the internet about 1990, when when my company gave engineers Sun workstations,
    along with usenet, email, and ftp,. Usenet was pretty well deveoped by then, I read
    groups in almost every category. Usenet was useful as well and entertainment, but email and ftp were invaluable.
    I thought that was the extent of the internet.Then in 1995 or so I was listening to the radio "Hearts of Space" and in his slow
    deep drawl, he said more info could be found on the "World Wide Web". What the f*** was that?
    Within 6 months we all had Netscape.Coincidentally, I tried to order a book from B&N, it would be 5 weeks
    and only if their distributor carried it.Tried the WWW and discovered a small bookstore name Amazon, book
    was 30% cheaper and delivered to my door in 3 days. That was when I began to think change was in the air,
    and when AMZ bought Tool Crip, that confirmed it,

    Sears as always special to me, it always angered me that if I could see what was coming, that their professionals
    couldn't. Sears could easily have out Amazoned Amazon,or even bought and renamed AMZ but they had the same
    management type as A&P and mnay others.

    Was your company in Brevard at the time?

    No, I was at a company in Champaign, which is how I got connected to
    the internet so early. Arguably my greatest contribution was to
    register cd.com when those opened up, which ended up being one of the
    largest assets of the company when it was sold.

    I went technical and started writing an e-commerce program which
    eventually got successful enough to be bought by Red Hat. All
    because I got connected to the internet at UIUC and went to see
    Andreesen demonstrate Mosaic. I used BBS systems, Gopher, and WAIS
    before I used www.

    The internet helped me economically as well, but more directly. The simulation and layout software package for analog IC was very expensive. In the
    90s it was $50K per seat per year. Companies handled it by having in-house license servers to auto check in and out the multiple components of the
    license so multiple users could work simultaneously with the same license. This worked worked well but tied engineers to work physically in the plant
    and to a salaried job. When internet arrived, it became possible to access license servers remotely, so a design services company could be set up and
    use the customer's licenses. So, six of us incorporated and set up shop. In 5 years we had some IP and were up to 15. With our analog specialty and
    technical results, a very large customer bought the company (with the proviso that 8 key people sign 5 year contracts not to leave). With internet in
    the 90s, I was able to work for others for nice fees and bonuses, develop IP along the way, sell the business, and have an early and comfy retirement.
    No internet, I'd be retiring from a salaried job with a 401k.Being analog was a big help, we're relatively rare, est. only 2K in the world.

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  • From joe@mich.com@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Mon Jul 8 09:31:31 2024
    On Mon, 8 Jul 2024 01:49:49 -0000 (UTC), xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:

    Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
    On 2024-07-06, Joe@mich.com <Joe@mich.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:28:49 -0000 (UTC), "Con Reeder, unhyphenated
    American" <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:

    On 2024-07-03, joe@mich.com <joe@mich.com> wrote:

    So sad.

    Yes, me too. Here is some nostalgia:

    https://pmarca.substack.com/p/the-true-story-as-best-i-can-remember

    Remembering the first days of the Internet when we were a million of the >>>> smartest engineers and scientists connected by Usenet. Posting to newsgroups
    where you might get an answer from the most accomplished person in the >>>> world on a particular subject.

    I was at Andreesen's first public demo of Mosaic, and came back to my
    company telling everyone we had to do this. I'd been on Usenet for 4 years,
    getting only a few newsgroups via a feed from UIUC. I didn't hit RSFC until
    just before eternal September, because I didn't pull anything from rec.*, >>>> only news.*, sci.*, and comp.*.

    I first saw the internet about 1990, when when my company gave engineers Sun workstations,
    along with usenet, email, and ftp,. Usenet was pretty well deveoped by then, I read
    groups in almost every category. Usenet was useful as well and
    entertainment, but email and ftp were invaluable.
    I thought that was the extent of the internet.Then in 1995 or so I was
    listening to the radio "Hearts of Space" and in his slow
    deep drawl, he said more info could be found on the "World Wide Web".
    What the f*** was that?
    Within 6 months we all had Netscape.Coincidentally, I tried to order a
    book from B&N, it would be 5 weeks
    and only if their distributor carried it.Tried the WWW and discovered a
    small bookstore name Amazon, book
    was 30% cheaper and delivered to my door in 3 days. That was when I
    began to think change was in the air,
    and when AMZ bought Tool Crip, that confirmed it,

    Sears as always special to me, it always angered me that if I could see
    what was coming, that their professionals
    couldn't. Sears could easily have out Amazoned Amazon,or even bought and >>> renamed AMZ but they had the same
    management type as A&P and mnay others.

    Was your company in Brevard at the time?

    No, I was at a company in Champaign, which is how I got connected to
    the internet so early. Arguably my greatest contribution was to
    register cd.com when those opened up, which ended up being one of the
    largest assets of the company when it was sold.

    I went technical and started writing an e-commerce program which
    eventually got successful enough to be bought by Red Hat. All
    because I got connected to the internet at UIUC and went to see
    Andreesen demonstrate Mosaic. I used BBS systems, Gopher, and WAIS
    before I used www.


    As you know my wife went to UIUC. She did work-study at the supercomputing >center there, during which she wrote the documentation for FTP.

    This is so nice to see some old names again. Wish more would appear.

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Mon Jul 8 14:46:50 2024
    On 2024-07-08, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:
    On 2024-07-06, Joe@mich.com <Joe@mich.com> wrote:
    On Thu, 4 Jul 2024 22:28:49 -0000 (UTC), "Con Reeder, unhyphenated
    American" <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:

    On 2024-07-03, joe@mich.com <joe@mich.com> wrote:

    So sad.

    Yes, me too. Here is some nostalgia:

    https://pmarca.substack.com/p/the-true-story-as-best-i-can-remember

    Remembering the first days of the Internet when we were a million of the >>>> smartest engineers and scientists connected by Usenet. Posting to newsgroups
    where you might get an answer from the most accomplished person in the >>>> world on a particular subject.

    I was at Andreesen's first public demo of Mosaic, and came back to my
    company telling everyone we had to do this. I'd been on Usenet for 4 years,
    getting only a few newsgroups via a feed from UIUC. I didn't hit RSFC until
    just before eternal September, because I didn't pull anything from rec.*, >>>> only news.*, sci.*, and comp.*.

    I first saw the internet about 1990, when when my company gave engineers Sun workstations,
    along with usenet, email, and ftp,. Usenet was pretty well deveoped by then, I read
    groups in almost every category. Usenet was useful as well and
    entertainment, but email and ftp were invaluable.
    I thought that was the extent of the internet.Then in 1995 or so I was
    listening to the radio "Hearts of Space" and in his slow
    deep drawl, he said more info could be found on the "World Wide Web".
    What the f*** was that?
    Within 6 months we all had Netscape.Coincidentally, I tried to order a
    book from B&N, it would be 5 weeks
    and only if their distributor carried it.Tried the WWW and discovered a
    small bookstore name Amazon, book
    was 30% cheaper and delivered to my door in 3 days. That was when I
    began to think change was in the air,
    and when AMZ bought Tool Crip, that confirmed it,

    Sears as always special to me, it always angered me that if I could see
    what was coming, that their professionals
    couldn't. Sears could easily have out Amazoned Amazon,or even bought and >>> renamed AMZ but they had the same
    management type as A&P and mnay others.

    Was your company in Brevard at the time?

    No, I was at a company in Champaign, which is how I got connected to
    the internet so early. Arguably my greatest contribution was to
    register cd.com when those opened up, which ended up being one of the
    largest assets of the company when it was sold.

    I went technical and started writing an e-commerce program which
    eventually got successful enough to be bought by Red Hat. All
    because I got connected to the internet at UIUC and went to see
    Andreesen demonstrate Mosaic. I used BBS systems, Gopher, and WAIS
    before I used www.


    As you know my wife went to UIUC. She did work-study at the supercomputing center there, during which she wrote the documentation for FTP.

    Small world, indeed! She would have (probably) known another denizen
    of the froups, Milt Epstein. I have met Milt only briefly IRL; he is
    also a bridge player. He briefly went to work for the same company I worked for, after I left.

    --
    Lucky people are skilled at creating & noticing chance opportunities, make lucky decisions by listening to their intuition, create self-fulfilling prophesies via positive expectations, & adopt a resilient attitude that transforms bad luck into good.
    -- Richard Wiseman

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Thu Jul 11 15:03:50 2024
    On 7/7/2024 9:49 PM, xyzzy wrote:
    Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:



    As you know my wife went to UIUC. She did work-study at the supercomputing center there, during which she wrote the documentation for FTP.


    IIRC, I used to go to various open FTP sites to park files there and
    retrieve them when I got home. You could find a lot of interesting stuff
    on others' FTP sites. Haven't looked in years.
    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is."

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to RoddyMcCorley on Fri Jul 12 19:55:42 2024
    On 2024-07-11, RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net> wrote:
    On 7/7/2024 9:49 PM, xyzzy wrote:
    Con Reeder, unhyphenated American <constance@duxmail.com> wrote:



    As you know my wife went to UIUC. She did work-study at the supercomputing >> center there, during which she wrote the documentation for FTP.


    IIRC, I used to go to various open FTP sites to park files there and
    retrieve them when I got home. You could find a lot of interesting stuff
    on others' FTP sites. Haven't looked in years.

    There are a vanishingly few FTP sites which still have anonymous upload enabled; used to be you just logged in with your email address (honor
    system of course).

    --
    The longer I live, the more I realize the impact of attitude on my
    life. ... I am convinced that life is 10% what happens to me and 90%
    how I react to it. And so it is for you... we are in charge of our
    attitudes. -- Charles Swindoll

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  • From RoddyMcCorley@21:1/5 to joe@mich.com on Thu Aug 29 01:57:06 2024
    On 7/3/2024 2:01 PM, joe@mich.com wrote:

    So sad.

    Did rsfc migrate to some place? All thee old newsgroup posts have expired.

    Now that CF is upon us, I'd like to visit.
    --
    "In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice. In
    practice, there is."

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  • From Con Reeder, unhyphenated American@21:1/5 to xyzzy on Sun Sep 1 23:11:41 2024
    On 2024-09-01, xyzzy <xyzzy.dude@gmail.com> wrote:
    RoddyMcCorley <Roddy.McCorley@verizon.net> wrote:
    On 7/3/2024 2:01 PM, joe@mich.com wrote:

    So sad.

    Did rsfc migrate to some place? All thee old newsgroup posts have expired. >>
    Now that CF is upon us, I'd like to visit.

    Rec.sport.football.college Facebook group


    Florida fans currently commiserating, no doubt.


    --
    Being against torture ought to be sort of a bipartisan thing.
    -- Karl Lehenbauer

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