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  • Donald Trump Indicted

    From Carbon@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 30 19:28:18 2023
    Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal
    charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is
    focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016
    campaign.

    more here: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Carbon on Thu Mar 30 18:21:37 2023
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:28:21 PM UTC-4, Carbon wrote:
    Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal
    charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is
    focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016
    campaign.

    more here: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news

    The charges have not been unsealed, so folks like Dershowitz can’t legitimately
    claim anything on merits.

    But there are some leaks, which might be interesting. One example is that in addition to the charge related to paying hush money to Stormy Daniels, Trump is reportedly also going to indicted with 34 counts of falsifying business records.

    Needless to say, if a jury finds business records were falsified with the intent
    to conceal a crime, that’s a felony.

    In the meantime, with DeSantis claiming he will direct FL to refuse extradition,
    sounds like the NY DA should request the Judge to order Trump to stay in NY (flight risk, etc), arguing that it isn’t a burden because he owns a residence in
    Trump Tower that he can readily use.

    Time will tell.

    -hh

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  • From Carbon@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Mar 31 21:07:40 2023
    On 3/30/23 21:21, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:28:21 PM UTC-4, Carbon
    wrote:
    Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal
    charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is
    focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016
    campaign.

    more here:
    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news

    The charges have not been unsealed, so folks like Dershowitz can't legitimately claim anything on merits.

    But there are some leaks, which might be interesting. One example
    is that in addition to the charge related to paying hush money to
    Stormy Daniels, Trump is reportedly also going to indicted with 34
    counts of falsifying business records.

    Needless to say, if a jury finds business records were falsified
    with the intent to conceal a crime, that's a felony.

    In the meantime, with DeSantis claiming he will direct FL to
    refuse extradition, sounds like the NY DA should request the Judge
    to order Trump to stay in NY (flight risk, etc), arguing that it
    isn't a burden because he owns a residence in Trump Tower that he
    can readily use.

    Time will tell.

    I'm not an expert in financial crimes, but 34 indictments suggests
    to me that the scope of the investigation has exceeded the Stormy
    Daniels payoff and related crimes. We'll find out pretty soon either
    way.

    I honestly can't think of Ron DeSantis without remembering how
    thoroughly he was humiliated by Disney's lawyers. He is a clown and
    his grandstanding over Trump's indictment will be similarly
    ineffective.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Carbon on Fri Mar 31 18:23:27 2023
    On Friday, March 31, 2023 at 6:07:44 PM UTC-7, Carbon wrote:
    On 3/30/23 21:21, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:28:21 PM UTC-4, Carbon
    wrote:
    Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal
    charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is
    focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016
    campaign.

    more here:
    https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news

    The charges have not been unsealed, so folks like Dershowitz can't legitimately claim anything on merits.

    But there are some leaks, which might be interesting. One example
    is that in addition to the charge related to paying hush money to
    Stormy Daniels, Trump is reportedly also going to indicted with 34
    counts of falsifying business records.

    Needless to say, if a jury finds business records were falsified
    with the intent to conceal a crime, that's a felony.

    In the meantime, with DeSantis claiming he will direct FL to
    refuse extradition, sounds like the NY DA should request the Judge
    to order Trump to stay in NY (flight risk, etc), arguing that it
    isn't a burden because he owns a residence in Trump Tower that he
    can readily use.

    Time will tell.
    I'm not an expert in financial crimes, but 34 indictments suggests
    to me that the scope of the investigation has exceeded the Stormy
    Daniels payoff and related crimes. We'll find out pretty soon either
    way.

    I honestly can't think of Ron DeSantis without remembering how
    thoroughly he was humiliated by Disney's lawyers. He is a clown and
    his grandstanding over Trump's indictment will be similarly
    ineffective.

    You said it all with "I'm not an expert." A "count" may be nothing more than a ledger entry. I expect this indictment to turn into a major embarrassment for the Dims. Remember, they gloated over the Russian collusion hoax, Impeachment #1 and Impeachment #
    2, all of which turned up exactly NOTHING.

    You libtards have apparently forgotten that John Edwards was indicted for far more serious charges of this ilk, and all charges ended up being dropped. What makes Trump MORE GUILTY than Edwards?
    https://www.politico.com/story/2012/06/justice-dept-wont-retry-john-edwards-077398

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  • From John B.@21:1/5 to -hh on Thu Apr 6 16:29:19 2023
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 9:21:39 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:
    On Thursday, March 30, 2023 at 7:28:21 PM UTC-4, Carbon wrote:
    Mr. Trump will be the first former president to face criminal
    charges. The precise charges are not yet known, but the case is
    focused on a hush-money payment to a porn star during his 2016
    campaign.

    more here: https://www.nytimes.com/live/2023/03/30/nyregion/trump-indictment-news
    The charges have not been unsealed, so folks like Dershowitz can’t legitimately
    claim anything on merits.

    But there are some leaks, which might be interesting. One example is that in addition to the charge related to paying hush money to Stormy Daniels, Trump is reportedly also going to indicted with 34 counts of falsifying business records.

    Needless to say, if a jury finds business records were falsified with the intent
    to conceal a crime, that’s a felony.

    In the meantime, with DeSantis claiming he will direct FL to refuse extradition,
    sounds like the NY DA should request the Judge to order Trump to stay in NY (flight risk, etc), arguing that it isn’t a burden because he owns a residence in
    Trump Tower that he can readily use.

    Time will tell.

    -hh

    Fortunately, the extradition question proved moot as Trump went to NYC voluntarily.
    But DeSantis's threat to deny extradition show how ignorant he is. The Constitution
    requires states to comply with other states' extradition requests. https://constitutionallawreporter.com/extradition-clause/

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