• How is that "defund the police" bullshit working for you, Part II

    From Tommy@21:1/5 to All on Sun Sep 10 09:19:09 2023
    Woke libtard finds out the hard way the folly of defunding the police: https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/shivanthi-sathanandan-police-hater-gets-carjacked-by-reality/

    Crime in the Dim Defund states has skyrocketed: https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-demographics-of-crime-in-minnesota-with-updated-2021-data/
    https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/mnjis/Documents/2021-Minnesota-Uniform-Crime-Report.pdf

    Violent crime in the year following the Floyd/Defund debacle rose TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! Interestingly, Minnesota hasn't published the 2022 crime report even though they are required BY LAW to do so.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sun Sep 10 12:11:28 2023
    On 2023-09-10 09:19, Tommy wrote:
    Woke libtard finds out the hard way the folly of defunding the
    police: https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/shivanthi-sathanandan-police-hater-gets-carjacked-by-reality/

    Crime in the Dim Defund states has skyrocketed: https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-demographics-of-crime-in-minnesota-with-updated-2021-data/


    <https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/mnjis/Documents/2021-Minnesota-Uniform-Crime-Report.pdf>

    Violent crime in the year following the Floyd/Defund debacle rose
    TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! Interestingly, Minnesota hasn't published the
    2022 crime report even though they are required BY LAW to do so.



    Why don't you first show us that either of those places has actually
    been defunded, Sunshine?


    Not one of your references lists a single specific incident of defunding.

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Sep 12 21:19:17 2023
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 09:19, Tommy wrote:
    Woke libtard finds out the hard way the folly of defunding the
    police: https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/shivanthi-sathanandan-police-hater-gets-carjacked-by-reality/

    Crime in the Dim Defund states has skyrocketed: https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-demographics-of-crime-in-minnesota-with-updated-2021-data/


    <https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/mnjis/Documents/2021-Minnesota-Uniform-Crime-Report.pdf>

    Violent crime in the year following the Floyd/Defund debacle rose TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! Interestingly, Minnesota hasn't published the
    2022 crime report even though they are required BY LAW to do so.
    Why don't you first show us that either of those places has actually
    been defunded, Sunshine?


    Not one of your references lists a single specific incident of defunding.

    Defund the Police is much more than actually cutting police funding, Fool. It is a relentless attack on the police that is highly demoralizing, resulting in massive retirements and career changes.
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-departments-face-vicious-cycle-challenges-retaining-recruiting/story?id=98363458
    Actual defunding has occurred in NYC very recently: https://cbcny.org/research/was-nypd-budget-cut-1-billion

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tommy on Tue Sep 12 21:24:34 2023
    On 2023-09-12 21:19, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 09:19, Tommy wrote:
    Woke libtard finds out the hard way the folly of defunding the
    police:
    https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/shivanthi-sathanandan-police-hater-gets-carjacked-by-reality/



    Crime in the Dim Defund states has skyrocketed:
    https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-demographics-of-crime-in-minnesota-with-updated-2021-data/



    <https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/mnjis/Documents/2021-Minnesota-Uniform-Crime-Report.pdf>

    Violent crime in the year following the Floyd/Defund debacle
    rose TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! Interestingly, Minnesota hasn't
    published the 2022 crime report even though they are required BY
    LAW to do so.
    Why don't you first show us that either of those places has
    actually been defunded, Sunshine?


    Not one of your references lists a single specific incident of
    defunding.

    Defund the Police is much more than actually cutting police funding,
    Fool. It is a relentless attack on the police that is highly
    demoralizing, resulting in massive retirements and career changes. https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-departments-face-vicious-cycle-challenges-retaining-recruiting/story?id=98363458


    Actual defunding has occurred in NYC very recently:
    https://cbcny.org/research/was-nypd-budget-cut-1-billion

    "Biden LIED that the Afghanistan withdrawal was a SUCCESS."

    Let's see the quote.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Sep 12 21:25:14 2023
    On 2023-09-12 21:24, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-12 21:19, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 09:19, Tommy wrote:
    Woke libtard finds out the hard way the folly of defunding the
    police:
    https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/shivanthi-sathanandan-police-hater-gets-carjacked-by-reality/



    Crime in the Dim Defund states has skyrocketed:
    https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-demographics-of-crime-in-minnesota-with-updated-2021-data/




    <https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/mnjis/Documents/2021-Minnesota-Uniform-Crime-Report.pdf>

    Violent crime in the year following the Floyd/Defund debacle
    rose TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! Interestingly, Minnesota hasn't
    published the 2022 crime report even though they are required BY
    LAW to do so.
    Why don't you first show us that either of those places has
    actually been defunded, Sunshine?


    Not one of your references lists a single specific incident of
    defunding.

    Defund the Police is much more than actually cutting police funding,
    Fool. It is a relentless attack on the police that is highly
    demoralizing, resulting in massive retirements and career changes.
    https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-departments-face-vicious-cycle-challenges-retaining-recruiting/story?id=98363458


    Actual defunding has occurred in NYC very recently:
    https://cbcny.org/research/was-nypd-budget-cut-1-billion

    "Biden LIED that the Afghanistan withdrawal was a SUCCESS."

    Let's see the quote.

    Sorry... ...wrong thread.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Wed Sep 13 05:06:02 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:19:19 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 09:19, Tommy wrote:
    Woke libtard finds out the hard way the folly of defunding the
    police: https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/shivanthi-sathanandan-police-hater-gets-carjacked-by-reality/

    Crime in the Dim Defund states has skyrocketed: https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-demographics-of-crime-in-minnesota-with-updated-2021-data/


    <https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/mnjis/Documents/2021-Minnesota-Uniform-Crime-Report.pdf>

    Violent crime in the year following the Floyd/Defund debacle rose TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! Interestingly, Minnesota hasn't published the
    2022 crime report even though they are required BY LAW to do so.

    Why don't you first show us that either of those places has actually
    been defunded, Sunshine?


    Not one of your references lists a single specific incident of defunding.

    Defund the Police is much more than actually cutting police funding, Fool. It is a relentless attack on the police that is highly demoralizing, resulting
    in massive retirements and career changes.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-departments-face-vicious-cycle-challenges-retaining-recruiting/story?id=98363458

    From the actual article:

    "...[due] to increased external scrutiny and reputational harm to the overall profession."

    In other words, fewer people like the idea of being associated with 'Bad Cops'.

    Likewise, "...rather than recruiting officers who desire to engage in a "heavy-handed
    aggressive policing" that makes excessive force and brutality "inevitable.", which means
    recruitment is down because they're attracting fewer aspirationally bad candidates too.

    FWIW, another potential factor could be that an increase in police hiring right after 9/11,
    because this career field often has retirement required after 20 years, which means a
    retirement surge bubble due to a hiring bubble from 20 years ago.

    Actual defunding has occurred in NYC very recently: https://cbcny.org/research/was-nypd-budget-cut-1-billion

    That's a 2020 article that was *projecting* a cut in 2021.
    But t's now 2023, so 2021 is history: did a cut actually occur?


    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Fri Sep 15 22:24:02 2023
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:06:03 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:19:19 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 09:19, Tommy wrote:
    Woke libtard finds out the hard way the folly of defunding the
    police: https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/shivanthi-sathanandan-police-hater-gets-carjacked-by-reality/

    Crime in the Dim Defund states has skyrocketed: https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-demographics-of-crime-in-minnesota-with-updated-2021-data/


    <https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/mnjis/Documents/2021-Minnesota-Uniform-Crime-Report.pdf>

    Violent crime in the year following the Floyd/Defund debacle rose TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! Interestingly, Minnesota hasn't published the
    2022 crime report even though they are required BY LAW to do so.

    Why don't you first show us that either of those places has actually been defunded, Sunshine?


    Not one of your references lists a single specific incident of defunding.

    Defund the Police is much more than actually cutting police funding, Fool. It is a relentless attack on the police that is highly demoralizing, resulting
    in massive retirements and career changes.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-departments-face-vicious-cycle-challenges-retaining-recruiting/story?id=98363458
    From the actual article:

    "...[due] to increased external scrutiny and reputational harm to the overall profession."

    In other words, fewer people like the idea of being associated with 'Bad Cops'.

    Likewise, "...rather than recruiting officers who desire to engage in a "heavy-handed
    aggressive policing" that makes excessive force and brutality "inevitable.", which means
    recruitment is down because they're attracting fewer aspirationally bad candidates too.

    FWIW, another potential factor could be that an increase in police hiring right after 9/11,
    because this career field often has retirement required after 20 years, which means a
    retirement surge bubble due to a hiring bubble from 20 years ago.
    Actual defunding has occurred in NYC very recently: https://cbcny.org/research/was-nypd-budget-cut-1-billion
    That's a 2020 article that was *projecting* a cut in 2021.
    But t's now 2023, so 2021 is history: did a cut actually occur?


    -hh

    You libtards simply can't accept the consequences of your MISGUIDED ACTIONS - demonize the police and you WILL get less police, PERIOD! This is painfully obvious in the libtard controlled cities, which can't recruit new candidates. So, if you call 911
    you just might get a busy signal. Good luck to you libtards that are UNARMED!

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Sat Sep 16 02:26:22 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 1:24:04 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:06:03 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:19:19 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 09:19, Tommy wrote:
    Woke libtard finds out the hard way the folly of defunding the police: https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/shivanthi-sathanandan-police-hater-gets-carjacked-by-reality/

    Crime in the Dim Defund states has skyrocketed: https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-demographics-of-crime-in-minnesota-with-updated-2021-data/


    <https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/mnjis/Documents/2021-Minnesota-Uniform-Crime-Report.pdf>

    Violent crime in the year following the Floyd/Defund debacle rose TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! Interestingly, Minnesota hasn't published the 2022 crime report even though they are required BY LAW to do so.

    Why don't you first show us that either of those places has actually been defunded, Sunshine?


    Not one of your references lists a single specific incident of defunding.

    Defund the Police is much more than actually cutting police funding, Fool.
    It is a relentless attack on the police that is highly demoralizing, resulting
    in massive retirements and career changes.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-departments-face-vicious-cycle-challenges-retaining-recruiting/story?id=98363458

    From the actual article:

    "...[due] to increased external scrutiny and reputational harm to the overall profession."

    In other words, fewer people like the idea of being associated with 'Bad Cops'.

    Likewise, "...rather than recruiting officers who desire to engage in a "heavy-handed
    aggressive policing" that makes excessive force and brutality "inevitable.", which means
    recruitment is down because they're attracting fewer aspirationally bad candidates too.

    FWIW, another potential factor could be that an increase in police hiring right after 9/11,
    because this career field often has retirement required after 20 years, which means a
    retirement surge bubble due to a hiring bubble from 20 years ago.

    Silence from Tommy…despite it being his own choice of citation.

    Actual defunding has occurred in NYC very recently: https://cbcny.org/research/was-nypd-budget-cut-1-billion

    That's a 2020 article that was *projecting* a cut in 2021.
    But t's now 2023, so 2021 is history: did a cut actually occur?

    More silence from Tommy.

    You libtards simply can't accept the consequences of your MISGUIDED ACTIONS -
    demonize the police and you WILL get less police, PERIOD!

    No, the police “demonized” themselves, by not obeying the laws they’d sworn
    to uphold: their disregard for Rule of Law is what prompted BLM to exist.

    This is painfully obvious in the libtard controlled cities, which can't recruit new candidates.

    This kind of cop should be heading to jail, not a promotion:

    “ Seattle officer recorded joking about woman killed by a police car”

    < https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66803960>

    So, if you call 911 you just might get a busy signal. Good luck to you libtards that are UNARMED!

    Oh, look: it’s a lame 2A canard attempt.

    What’s known to reduce crime is at the source, such as anti-poverty programs. But these
    take longer, so shallow people who want a quick, easy & cheap solution don’t choose it.
    They’re putting a band-aid over the problem instead of addressing root cause, which will
    cost them more in the long run.

    -hh

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  • From Tommy@21:1/5 to -hh on Sun Sep 17 19:01:15 2023
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 2:26:24 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 1:24:04 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:06:03 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:19:19 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 09:19, Tommy wrote:
    Woke libtard finds out the hard way the folly of defunding the police: https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/shivanthi-sathanandan-police-hater-gets-carjacked-by-reality/

    Crime in the Dim Defund states has skyrocketed: https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-demographics-of-crime-in-minnesota-with-updated-2021-data/


    <https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/mnjis/Documents/2021-Minnesota-Uniform-Crime-Report.pdf>

    Violent crime in the year following the Floyd/Defund debacle rose TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! Interestingly, Minnesota hasn't published the 2022 crime report even though they are required BY LAW to do so.

    Why don't you first show us that either of those places has actually been defunded, Sunshine?


    Not one of your references lists a single specific incident of defunding.

    Defund the Police is much more than actually cutting police funding, Fool.
    It is a relentless attack on the police that is highly demoralizing, resulting
    in massive retirements and career changes.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-departments-face-vicious-cycle-challenges-retaining-recruiting/story?id=98363458

    From the actual article:

    "...[due] to increased external scrutiny and reputational harm to the overall profession."

    In other words, fewer people like the idea of being associated with 'Bad Cops'.

    Likewise, "...rather than recruiting officers who desire to engage in a "heavy-handed
    aggressive policing" that makes excessive force and brutality "inevitable.", which means
    recruitment is down because they're attracting fewer aspirationally bad candidates too.

    FWIW, another potential factor could be that an increase in police hiring right after 9/11,
    because this career field often has retirement required after 20 years, which means a
    retirement surge bubble due to a hiring bubble from 20 years ago.
    Silence from Tommy…despite it being his own choice of citation.
    Actual defunding has occurred in NYC very recently: https://cbcny.org/research/was-nypd-budget-cut-1-billion

    That's a 2020 article that was *projecting* a cut in 2021.
    But t's now 2023, so 2021 is history: did a cut actually occur?
    More silence from Tommy.
    You libtards simply can't accept the consequences of your MISGUIDED ACTIONS -
    demonize the police and you WILL get less police, PERIOD!
    No, the police “demonized” themselves, by not obeying the laws they’d sworn
    to uphold: their disregard for Rule of Law is what prompted BLM to exist.

    LOL! This is proof that you just DON'T GET IT!! I can provide you with all the statistics, studies, polls and testimony, but I can't provide you with COMMON SENSE. The ONLY way you will get the message is if you have to call 911 and get a BUSY SIGNAL.

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  • From -hh@21:1/5 to Tommy on Mon Sep 18 00:23:18 2023
    On Monday, September 18, 2023 at 11:01:17 AM UTC+9, Tommy wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 2:26:24 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Saturday, September 16, 2023 at 1:24:04 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 5:06:03 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
    On Wednesday, September 13, 2023 at 12:19:19 AM UTC-4, Tommy wrote:
    On Sunday, September 10, 2023 at 12:11:32 PM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2023-09-10 09:19, Tommy wrote:
    Woke libtard finds out the hard way the folly of defunding the police: https://nypost.com/2023/09/08/shivanthi-sathanandan-police-hater-gets-carjacked-by-reality/

    Crime in the Dim Defund states has skyrocketed: https://www.americanexperiment.org/the-demographics-of-crime-in-minnesota-with-updated-2021-data/


    <https://dps.mn.gov/divisions/bca/bca-divisions/mnjis/Documents/2021-Minnesota-Uniform-Crime-Report.pdf>

    Violent crime in the year following the Floyd/Defund debacle rose
    TWENTY-TWO PERCENT! Interestingly, Minnesota hasn't published the
    2022 crime report even though they are required BY LAW to do so.

    Why don't you first show us that either of those places has actually
    been defunded, Sunshine?


    Not one of your references lists a single specific incident of defunding.

    Defund the Police is much more than actually cutting police funding, Fool.
    It is a relentless attack on the police that is highly demoralizing, resulting
    in massive retirements and career changes.

    https://abcnews.go.com/US/police-departments-face-vicious-cycle-challenges-retaining-recruiting/story?id=98363458

    From the actual article:

    "...[due] to increased external scrutiny and reputational harm to the overall profession."

    In other words, fewer people like the idea of being associated with 'Bad Cops'.

    Likewise, "...rather than recruiting officers who desire to engage in a "heavy-handed
    aggressive policing" that makes excessive force and brutality "inevitable.", which means
    recruitment is down because they're attracting fewer aspirationally bad candidates too.

    FWIW, another potential factor could be that an increase in police hiring right after 9/11,
    because this career field often has retirement required after 20 years, which means a
    retirement surge bubble due to a hiring bubble from 20 years ago.
    Silence from Tommy…despite it being his own choice of citation.
    Actual defunding has occurred in NYC very recently: https://cbcny.org/research/was-nypd-budget-cut-1-billion

    That's a 2020 article that was *projecting* a cut in 2021.
    But t's now 2023, so 2021 is history: did a cut actually occur?

    More silence from Tommy.

    Still

    You libtards simply can't accept the consequences of your MISGUIDED ACTIONS -
    demonize the police and you WILL get less police, PERIOD!

    No, the police “demonized” themselves, by not obeying the laws they’d sworn
    to uphold: their disregard for Rule of Law is what prompted BLM to exist.

    LOL! This is proof that you just DON'T GET IT!! I can provide you with all the statistics,
    studies, polls and testimony, but I can't provide you with COMMON SENSE. The ONLY
    way you will get the message is if you have to call 911 and get a BUSY SIGNAL.

    Since I live in a lower crime area than you do, you’re going to have 911 problems
    well prior.

    Plus what you’re refute acknowledge is that there’s broadly been problems with
    the lack of professionalism within US law enforcement… and unlike you, I’ve had
    occasion to work professionally with them.

    “ An investigation is under way over a bodycam footage that appears to show a
    Seattle police officer laughing about a woman fatally struck by a patrol car.

    Officer Daniel Auderer was responding to an incident where Jaahnavi Kandula, 23,
    was killed near her university.
    In the video, the officer is heard suggesting the Indian student's life had "limited value"
    and the city should "just write a cheque".”

    < https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-66803960>


    -hh

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