1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?. What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has their been no oversight of this? Why are American taxpayer dollar going to funding these labs?. How would we feel if there
were biolabs run by the Mexicans right across the border.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter of innocents in Ukraine when we went into Vietnam and destroyed villages, destroyed agriculture, and killed hundreds of thousands of total innocents. How many US soldiers died there or were
permanently disabled or poisoned by Agent Orange (a huge coverup in itself). How many of those that fought there could even articulate what the mission was? Do we even today clearly know what the mission was? Think of the way our Vets were treated
when they returned, and the horrible conditions and corruption in the VA system, it sucks from every angle.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter of innocents in Ukraine when we wrecked total havoc in the Middle East under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction" that were never found.

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis. They got too close, he set he red line. Does Putin not have the right to set a red line? Are the motives of NATO and the US always pure and innocent...yea in whose delusional mind.

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom and democracy when people were forced under the threat of job loss and lockdown to take experimental vaccines? How can we even begin to talk about freedom when we destroyed businesses and forced
people to wear masks, while life went on for the rich and famous and the mandates were often ignored. Look at what has happened in Canada, the loss of rights and freedoms enacted by Trudeau? Is Canada a model for anything, no that country is shit. A
moral compass for no one.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom and democracy when opinions that are not popular and mainstream are banned from social media, and people expressing their opinions are cancelled, ostracized, or lose their jobs or liscences.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for democracy. Yea right! It was a cash cow and a vehicle for money laundering for politicans and government officials that our minds cannot comprehend.

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but am equally repulsed by the war mongers pushing us toward war, and the US and NATO countries portrayed as such moral beacons. We need to stay the hell out of this, as terrible as this all is.
Escalation will cause widespread turmoil and death, and cause the world economy to implode. Is Ukraine worth it? I say no. As hard as that is to say it, I say no. Because escalation might mean a nuke in a major EU city like Paris, London, Brussels,
or even a few here. Is it worth it, I say no. If you say otherwise, you are a moron.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are doing these days. I got to look at my portfolio later, and maybe get in on some of this action. Yea, in the end, the rich get richer, and savy investors jump on opportunities like this. While poor
people are sent to fight and die for what reason? And regular poor people suffer all the economic consequences. The decked is stacked.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and human suffering in other parts of the world. like central Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Asia and we hear nothing about it. If we are such a moral compass, why do we not speak up about the
other atrocities of the world. Seems we are somewhat selective no?

We "little people" have no idea what the real agendas here are, and what is really going on. I discount everything on the news, including FOX. It is all propaganda. I can tell you without reservation, however, it is the little people in the end that
will get screwed. If you think otherwise, what a dumb shit you must be.

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On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era chem/bio weapons and ran
in parallel to the work to remove nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has their been no oversight of this? Why are American taxpayer dollar going to funding these labs?. How would we feel if there were biolabs run by the Mexicans
right across the border.

A wiser question to ask is if the US should export our expertise in lab safety.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter of innocents in Ukraine when we went into Vietnam and destroyed villages, destroyed agriculture,
and killed hundreds of thousands of total innocents.

I'm not aware of anyone in the USA who is trying to justify doing those acts in Vietnam.
Is there someone on Fox that's saying that all was "good"? Let's see names.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter of innocents in Ukraine
when we wrecked total havoc in the Middle East under the guise of "weapons of mass
destruction" that were never found.

Same answer: who still defends those actions as being justified? Have the Republicans who lied to the world been punished for that yet? Why or why not?

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis. They got too close, he set
the red line. Does Putin not have the right to set a red line?

First, are these events actually comparable? Because the US didn't invade Cuba as
a result of the USSR deploying missiles there, whereas Russia has invaded Ukraine
without Ukraine even joining the EU or NATO, let alone deploying any missiles.

Second, when one "sets a red line" but then violates it yourself, you've lost the
moral high ground that you were trying to claim, so the answer here is a "No".

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom and democracy when people were forced under the threat of job loss and lockdown to take experimental
vaccines?

Has nothing to do with Russian/Ukraine.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom and democracy when opinions that are not popular and mainstream are banned from social media, and
people expressing their opinions are cancelled, ostracized, or lose their jobs or liscences.

See "aiding and giving comfort to the enemy" principles.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for democracy.

Why? Are only "true" democracies deserving of not being invaded by dictatorships?

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but ...

There is no "but...": Putin is knowingly committing international war crimes and all indications are that he will not voluntarily stop. Since he also has a nuclear arsenal at his control, he is a threat to all humankind and as such,
he must be stopped at absolutely any cost.

We need to stay the hell out of this...

We can't. Putin has a nuclear arsenal at his control, which makes him an existential threat to all humankind.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are doing these days. I got to look at my portfolio later, and maybe get in on some of this action.

Oil stocks too.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and human suffering
in other parts of the world. like central Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Asia and we hear nothing about it. If we are such a moral compass, why
do we not speak up about the other atrocities of the world. Seems we are somewhat selective no?

Consider how much of that selectiveness is predicated upon securing
resources at lowest cost for Capitalism. Overall, this is why domestic
"green" energy production actually enhances National Security: if we don't need the oil from these dictatorship shithole countries, they lose that
power of influence over us.

The problem, of course, is that such changes aren't free, so Capitalistic forces typically opposed that which could reduce their near term profits.

-hh

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Not so much thoughts as echoes from the chamber I am sure... tells you
a lot about where "Irving" spends most of his/her time (do we know
which? or do I call them they like a woke trans).

He/she does not even see the contradiction of identifying American
wrong doings and using them as an excuse to let Russia do what the hell
it likes... as if he/she is incapable of learning anything.

I think it is pretty obvious that it is the same old culprit of
selfishness and greed that drives these observations. The only question
he/she is really asking himself/herself is "how much will it cost me?"
and every other answer is predicated on that.



--
Bozo bin
Felicity
George R
Irving S
Texasgate
Enjoy!

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On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative Threat Reduction
Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era chem/bio weapons and ran
in parallel to the work to remove nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has
their been no oversight of this? Why are American taxpayer dollar going to funding these labs?. How would we feel if there were biolabs run by the Mexicans
right across the border.

A wiser question to ask is if the US should export our expertise in lab safety.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter of innocents in
Ukraine when we went into Vietnam and destroyed villages, destroyed agriculture,
and killed hundreds of thousands of total innocents.

I'm not aware of anyone in the USA who is trying to justify doing those acts in Vietnam.
Is there someone on Fox that's saying that all was "good"? Let's see names.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter of innocents in Ukraine
when we wrecked total havoc in the Middle East under the guise of "weapons of mass
destruction" that were never found.

Same answer: who still defends those actions as being justified? Have the Republicans who lied to the world been punished for that yet? Why or why not?

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis. They got too close, he set
the red line. Does Putin not have the right to set a red line?

First, are these events actually comparable? Because the US didn't invade Cuba as
a result of the USSR deploying missiles there, whereas Russia has invaded Ukraine
without Ukraine even joining the EU or NATO, let alone deploying any missiles.

Second, when one "sets a red line" but then violates it yourself, you've lost the
moral high ground that you were trying to claim, so the answer here is a "No".

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom and democracy when people were forced under the threat of job loss and lockdown to take experimental
vaccines?

Has nothing to do with Russian/Ukraine.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom and democracy when
opinions that are not popular and mainstream are banned from social media, and
people expressing their opinions are cancelled, ostracized, or lose their jobs or liscences.

See "aiding and giving comfort to the enemy" principles.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for democracy.

Why? Are only "true" democracies deserving of not being invaded by dictatorships?

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but ...

There is no "but...": Putin is knowingly committing international war crimes and all indications are that he will not voluntarily stop. Since he also has a
nuclear arsenal at his control, he is a threat to all humankind and as such, he must be stopped at absolutely any cost.

We need to stay the hell out of this...

We can't. Putin has a nuclear arsenal at his control, which makes him an existential threat to all humankind.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are doing these days. I got
to look at my portfolio later, and maybe get in on some of this action.

Oil stocks too.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and human suffering
in other parts of the world. like central Africa, the Middle East, and parts
of Asia and we hear nothing about it. If we are such a moral compass, why do we not speak up about the other atrocities of the world. Seems we are somewhat selective no?

Consider how much of that selectiveness is predicated upon securing resources at lowest cost for Capitalism. Overall, this is why domestic "green" energy production actually enhances National Security: if we don't need the oil from these dictatorship shithole countries, they lose that power of influence over us.

The problem, of course, is that such changes aren't free, so Capitalistic forces typically opposed that which could reduce their near term profits.

-hh

HH. you are clearly a comedian. I refuse to take you seriously, I have no interest in debating point by point, because like the grotesque oaf to the north, there is no way to convince you. You get off being contrary for the sake of it. Good for you,

But I will address on thing you said. It is hysterical. With regards to Putin, you stated : "he must be stopped at absolutely any cost" At any cost? At any cost? At any cost? Holy crap dude, do you have any idea what you are saying? No human
being can be that stupid, so I say this is a comedy routine. You got a laugh out of me, so job well done.

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On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 11:03:42 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:

Not so much thoughts as echoes from the chamber I am sure... tells you
a lot about where "Irving" spends most of his/her time (do we know
which? or do I call them they like a woke trans).

He/she does not even see the contradiction of identifying American
wrong doings and using them as an excuse to let Russia do what the hell
it likes... as if he/she is incapable of learning anything.

I think it is pretty obvious that it is the same old culprit of
selfishness and greed that drives these observations. The only question he/she is really asking himself/herself is "how much will it cost me?"
and every other answer is predicated on that.

--
Bozo bin
Felicity
George R
Irving S
Texasgate
Enjoy!

Hey moron, I thought I was in your "Bozo Bin". Well, so honored that you took time out of your busy day seeking dog walking jobs to respond to me.

Yes imbecile, it is selfishness that drives my observations, and it is this same selfishness that most of us share. We must proceed with EXTREME caution, this is a nuclear power, not some camel jockeys with a few spears. It was Mr. Spock that once
said in one of the Star Trek movies "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few". No rational person enjoys seeing the carnage in Ukraine, but it is what it is. We are not dealing with the cute puppies whose crap you scrape off the pavement.
We are dealing with a ferocious opponent, one miscalulation and Paris or London or Brussels could be tinders. Is that a worthwhile trade off? Ukraine should surrender, because there is no way Putin will just leave, Surrender and negotiate. Otherwise,
the Ukraine will become just a bigger and bigger pile of destruction. Any remaining infrastructure will be gone, it will take years to rebuild.

I doubt you have any children. It is beyond comprehension that any woman could feel passion or love for a vile animal like you. There are parents out there, their kids are far removed from all this, to think that they will get sucked into all this
and face death or a lifetime of disability. I have a son who will be draft age next year, and a daughter in her 20s. I can assure you that there is no way they would ever agree to participate in this, and any notice from the armed forces would be
burned on our front lawn. To die for a country that most Americans could not even locate on a map a few months ago, a country that has been a vehicle for widespread corruption and money laundering, a county that is FAR from the democratic utopia the
media portrays, is not worth Americans dying for. If anyone needs to die, let it be the EU. It is on their front door, not ours.

No asshole, I am not alone asking "How much it will cost me". There are millions and millions that will not buy into the script and will refuse to buy the propaganda. I doubt if we go to war that their will be lines of Americans waiting to enlist.
There is no way to tell what the truth is and what the BS is. We have been lied to and lied to over and over. We have been drawn into numerous foreign conflicts that in the end we regretted. The impetus seems to be heading in the direction of
heightened involvement by the US and its allies. One mistake, one false move, one miscalculation, it is all over. And we will have imbeciles like you to thank. Imbeciles devoid of critical thinking, that buy into what they read and hear. Good for you
asshole, live in your hole.

Now do something useful cretin. Find a dog that needs to be walked. Tell that dog it is a "demented old fart". You gutless reptilian freak of nature, you would surely say it to a dog, say it on the keyboard, in real life your would defecate all over
yourself in fear. Hilarious dope you are , thanks for the laughs.

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On 2022-03-16 1:21 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative
Threat Reduction Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era
chem/bio weapons and ran in parallel to the work to remove nuclear
weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has

their been no oversight of this? Why are American taxpayer dollar
going to funding these labs?. How would we feel if there were
biolabs run by the Mexicans right across the border.

A wiser question to ask is if the US should export our expertise in
lab safety.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter of
innocents in Ukraine when we went into Vietnam and destroyed
villages, destroyed agriculture, and killed hundreds of thousands
of total innocents.

I'm not aware of anyone in the USA who is trying to justify doing
those acts in Vietnam. Is there someone on Fox that's saying that
all was "good"? Let's see names.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter of
innocents in Ukraine when we wrecked total havoc in the Middle
East under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction" that were
never found.

Same answer: who still defends those actions as being justified?
Have the Republicans who lied to the world been punished for that
yet? Why or why not?

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis. They got
too close, he set the red line. Does Putin not have the right to
set a red line?

First, are these events actually comparable? Because the US didn't
invade Cuba as a result of the USSR deploying missiles there,
whereas Russia has invaded Ukraine without Ukraine even joining the
EU or NATO, let alone deploying any missiles.

Second, when one "sets a red line" but then violates it yourself,
you've lost the moral high ground that you were trying to claim, so
the answer here is a "No".

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom and
democracy when people were forced under the threat of job loss
and lockdown to take experimental vaccines?

Has nothing to do with Russian/Ukraine.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom and
democracy when opinions that are not popular and mainstream are
banned from social media, and people expressing their opinions
are cancelled, ostracized, or lose their jobs or liscences.

See "aiding and giving comfort to the enemy" principles.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for democracy.

Why? Are only "true" democracies deserving of not being invaded by
dictatorships?

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but ...

There is no "but...": Putin is knowingly committing international
war crimes and all indications are that he will not voluntarily
stop. Since he also has a nuclear arsenal at his control, he is a
threat to all humankind and as such, he must be stopped at
absolutely any cost.

We need to stay the hell out of this...

We can't. Putin has a nuclear arsenal at his control, which makes
him an existential threat to all humankind.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are doing these
days. I got to look at my portfolio later, and maybe get in on
some of this action.

Oil stocks too.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and human
suffering in other parts of the world. like central Africa, the
Middle East, and parts of Asia and we hear nothing about it. If
we are such a moral compass, why do we not speak up about the
other atrocities of the world. Seems we are somewhat selective
no?

Consider how much of that selectiveness is predicated upon
securing resources at lowest cost for Capitalism. Overall, this is
why domestic "green" energy production actually enhances National
Security: if we don't need the oil from these dictatorship shithole
countries, they lose that power of influence over us.

The problem, of course, is that such changes aren't free, so
Capitalistic forces typically opposed that which could reduce their
near term profits.

-hh

HH. you are clearly a comedian. I refuse to take you seriously, I
have no interest in debating point by point, because...

...you are utterly unable to rebut his points.

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On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:23:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:21 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative
Threat Reduction Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era
chem/bio weapons and ran in parallel to the work to remove nuclear
weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has >>> their been no oversight of this? Why are American taxpayer dollar

going to funding these labs?. How would we feel if there were
biolabs run by the Mexicans right across the border.

A wiser question to ask is if the US should export our expertise in
lab safety.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter of
innocents in Ukraine when we went into Vietnam and destroyed
villages, destroyed agriculture, and killed hundreds of thousands
of total innocents.

I'm not aware of anyone in the USA who is trying to justify doing
those acts in Vietnam. Is there someone on Fox that's saying that
all was "good"? Let's see names.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter of
innocents in Ukraine when we wrecked total havoc in the Middle
East under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction" that were
never found.

Same answer: who still defends those actions as being justified?
Have the Republicans who lied to the world been punished for that
yet? Why or why not?

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis. They got
too close, he set the red line. Does Putin not have the right to
set a red line?

First, are these events actually comparable? Because the US didn't
invade Cuba as a result of the USSR deploying missiles there,
whereas Russia has invaded Ukraine without Ukraine even joining the
EU or NATO, let alone deploying any missiles.

Second, when one "sets a red line" but then violates it yourself,
you've lost the moral high ground that you were trying to claim, so
the answer here is a "No".

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom and
democracy when people were forced under the threat of job loss
and lockdown to take experimental vaccines?

Has nothing to do with Russian/Ukraine.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom and
democracy when opinions that are not popular and mainstream are
banned from social media, and people expressing their opinions
are cancelled, ostracized, or lose their jobs or liscences.

See "aiding and giving comfort to the enemy" principles.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for democracy.

Why? Are only "true" democracies deserving of not being invaded by
dictatorships?

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but ...

There is no "but...": Putin is knowingly committing international
war crimes and all indications are that he will not voluntarily
stop. Since he also has a nuclear arsenal at his control, he is a
threat to all humankind and as such, he must be stopped at
absolutely any cost.

We need to stay the hell out of this...

We can't. Putin has a nuclear arsenal at his control, which makes
him an existential threat to all humankind.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are doing these
days. I got to look at my portfolio later, and maybe get in on
some of this action.

Oil stocks too.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and human
suffering in other parts of the world. like central Africa, the
Middle East, and parts of Asia and we hear nothing about it. If
we are such a moral compass, why do we not speak up about the
other atrocities of the world. Seems we are somewhat selective
no?

Consider how much of that selectiveness is predicated upon
securing resources at lowest cost for Capitalism. Overall, this is
why domestic "green" energy production actually enhances National
Security: if we don't need the oil from these dictatorship shithole
countries, they lose that power of influence over us.

The problem, of course, is that such changes aren't free, so
Capitalistic forces typically opposed that which could reduce their
near term profits.

-hh

HH. you are clearly a comedian. I refuse to take you seriously, I
have no interest in debating point by point, because...

...you are utterly unable to rebut his points.

How utterly kind of you to come to his defense. Your loyalty brings tears to my eyes, that you care that much. Interesting also, the way you just "pop us" all the time. Like a pimple that you pop, and it just keeps coming back. My dear Spinster
friend, thank you as always for the entertainment you provide. I would like to meet your script writer, he deserves a Pulitizer!

Good to hear from you. Always a pleasure. Tell you what old man, count a few thousand for us on youtube and I will be glad to rebut each point. What say you old man?

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On 2022-03-16 1:30 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:23:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:21 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S
wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative
Threat Reduction Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era
chem/bio weapons and ran in parallel to the work to remove
nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades
ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has >>>>> their been no oversight of this? Why are American taxpayer

dollar going to funding these labs?. How would we feel if
there were biolabs run by the Mexicans right across the
border.

A wiser question to ask is if the US should export our
expertise in lab safety.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter
of innocents in Ukraine when we went into Vietnam and
destroyed villages, destroyed agriculture, and killed
hundreds of thousands of total innocents.

I'm not aware of anyone in the USA who is trying to justify
doing those acts in Vietnam. Is there someone on Fox that's
saying that all was "good"? Let's see names.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter
of innocents in Ukraine when we wrecked total havoc in the
Middle East under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction"
that were never found.

Same answer: who still defends those actions as being
justified? Have the Republicans who lied to the world been
punished for that yet? Why or why not?

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis. They
got too close, he set the red line. Does Putin not have the
right to set a red line?

First, are these events actually comparable? Because the US
didn't invade Cuba as a result of the USSR deploying missiles
there, whereas Russia has invaded Ukraine without Ukraine even
joining the EU or NATO, let alone deploying any missiles.

Second, when one "sets a red line" but then violates it
yourself, you've lost the moral high ground that you were
trying to claim, so the answer here is a "No".

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom and
democracy when people were forced under the threat of job
loss and lockdown to take experimental vaccines?

Has nothing to do with Russian/Ukraine.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom and
democracy when opinions that are not popular and mainstream
are banned from social media, and people expressing their
opinions are cancelled, ostracized, or lose their jobs or
liscences.

See "aiding and giving comfort to the enemy" principles.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for
democracy.

Why? Are only "true" democracies deserving of not being invaded
by dictatorships?

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but ...

There is no "but...": Putin is knowingly committing
international war crimes and all indications are that he will
not voluntarily stop. Since he also has a nuclear arsenal at
his control, he is a threat to all humankind and as such, he
must be stopped at absolutely any cost.

We need to stay the hell out of this...

We can't. Putin has a nuclear arsenal at his control, which
makes him an existential threat to all humankind.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are doing
these days. I got to look at my portfolio later, and maybe
get in on some of this action.

Oil stocks too.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and
human suffering in other parts of the world. like central
Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Asia and we hear
nothing about it. If we are such a moral compass, why do we
not speak up about the other atrocities of the world. Seems
we are somewhat selective no?

Consider how much of that selectiveness is predicated upon
securing resources at lowest cost for Capitalism. Overall, this
is why domestic "green" energy production actually enhances
National Security: if we don't need the oil from these
dictatorship shithole countries, they lose that power of
influence over us.

The problem, of course, is that such changes aren't free, so
Capitalistic forces typically opposed that which could reduce
their near term profits.

-hh

HH. you are clearly a comedian. I refuse to take you seriously,
I have no interest in debating point by point, because...

...you are utterly unable to rebut his points.

How utterly kind of you to come to his defense. Your loyalty brings
tears to my eyes, that you care that much. Interesting also, the way
you just "pop us" all the time. Like a pimple that you pop, and it
just keeps coming back. My dear Spinster friend, thank you as always
for the entertainment you provide. I would like to meet your script
writer, he deserves a Pulitizer!

My, my, my...

A reply in just 7 minutes.

As for me, I'm just hanging out at a buddies place while I wait for the
front brake job to be completed on my BMW.

:-)

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:56:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:30 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:23:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:21 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S
wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative
Threat Reduction Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era
chem/bio weapons and ran in parallel to the work to remove
nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades
ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has >>>>> their been no oversight of this? Why are American taxpayer

dollar going to funding these labs?. How would we feel if
there were biolabs run by the Mexicans right across the
border.

A wiser question to ask is if the US should export our
expertise in lab safety.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter
of innocents in Ukraine when we went into Vietnam and
destroyed villages, destroyed agriculture, and killed
hundreds of thousands of total innocents.

I'm not aware of anyone in the USA who is trying to justify
doing those acts in Vietnam. Is there someone on Fox that's
saying that all was "good"? Let's see names.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter
of innocents in Ukraine when we wrecked total havoc in the
Middle East under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction"
that were never found.

Same answer: who still defends those actions as being
justified? Have the Republicans who lied to the world been
punished for that yet? Why or why not?

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis. They
got too close, he set the red line. Does Putin not have the
right to set a red line?

First, are these events actually comparable? Because the US
didn't invade Cuba as a result of the USSR deploying missiles
there, whereas Russia has invaded Ukraine without Ukraine even
joining the EU or NATO, let alone deploying any missiles.

Second, when one "sets a red line" but then violates it
yourself, you've lost the moral high ground that you were
trying to claim, so the answer here is a "No".

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom and
democracy when people were forced under the threat of job
loss and lockdown to take experimental vaccines?

Has nothing to do with Russian/Ukraine.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom and
democracy when opinions that are not popular and mainstream
are banned from social media, and people expressing their
opinions are cancelled, ostracized, or lose their jobs or
liscences.

See "aiding and giving comfort to the enemy" principles.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for
democracy.

Why? Are only "true" democracies deserving of not being invaded
by dictatorships?

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but ...

There is no "but...": Putin is knowingly committing
international war crimes and all indications are that he will
not voluntarily stop. Since he also has a nuclear arsenal at
his control, he is a threat to all humankind and as such, he
must be stopped at absolutely any cost.

We need to stay the hell out of this...

We can't. Putin has a nuclear arsenal at his control, which
makes him an existential threat to all humankind.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are doing
these days. I got to look at my portfolio later, and maybe
get in on some of this action.

Oil stocks too.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and
human suffering in other parts of the world. like central
Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Asia and we hear
nothing about it. If we are such a moral compass, why do we
not speak up about the other atrocities of the world. Seems
we are somewhat selective no?

Consider how much of that selectiveness is predicated upon
securing resources at lowest cost for Capitalism. Overall, this
is why domestic "green" energy production actually enhances
National Security: if we don't need the oil from these
dictatorship shithole countries, they lose that power of
influence over us.

The problem, of course, is that such changes aren't free, so
Capitalistic forces typically opposed that which could reduce
their near term profits.

-hh

HH. you are clearly a comedian. I refuse to take you seriously,
I have no interest in debating point by point, because...

...you are utterly unable to rebut his points.

How utterly kind of you to come to his defense. Your loyalty brings
tears to my eyes, that you care that much. Interesting also, the way
you just "pop us" all the time. Like a pimple that you pop, and it
just keeps coming back. My dear Spinster friend, thank you as always
for the entertainment you provide. I would like to meet your script writer, he deserves a Pulitizer!

My, my, my...

A reply in just 7 minutes.

As for me, I'm just hanging out at a buddies place while I wait for the front brake job to be completed on my BMW.

:-)

True to form, what a doofus! You just had to drop that reference to the BMW. It was not enough to just say your car was being worked on. Big deal, you own a race car, big deal you drive a BMW. No one cares and no one is jealous of you, who the hell
in their right mind could be jealous of you. This sorta reminds me of that money counting stunt you pulled. Talk about putting on a show. Good for you doofus, you got money, We are happy for you. You might have more money than all the rest of us
combined. But who the hell would want to be you, or even be remotely like you. If I am wrong, would someone please step forward!

Oh, and you always seem to have a rationale for "being around". Doofus, you have hundreds of thousands of posts across multiple newsgroups. The pattern has been that you often respond within minutes if the subject or poster is of interest. That
requires a lot of vigilance and monitoring, something that the rest of us do not have the time or interest in. Just admit it, you thrive on this. If not, there would not be hundreds of thousands of posts. What an accomplishment, please tell us what
you have to show for it.

Good work at just being you! You get an A. That should make you proud. You never finished college, but this professor gives you an outstanding grade, you are awesome!

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:37:32 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:56:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:30 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:23:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:21 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S
wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative
Threat Reduction Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era
chem/bio weapons and ran in parallel to the work to remove
nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades
ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has >>>>> their been no oversight of this? Why are American taxpayer

dollar going to funding these labs?. How would we feel if
there were biolabs run by the Mexicans right across the
border.

A wiser question to ask is if the US should export our
expertise in lab safety.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter
of innocents in Ukraine when we went into Vietnam and
destroyed villages, destroyed agriculture, and killed
hundreds of thousands of total innocents.

I'm not aware of anyone in the USA who is trying to justify
doing those acts in Vietnam. Is there someone on Fox that's
saying that all was "good"? Let's see names.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter
of innocents in Ukraine when we wrecked total havoc in the
Middle East under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction"
that were never found.

Same answer: who still defends those actions as being
justified? Have the Republicans who lied to the world been
punished for that yet? Why or why not?

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis. They
got too close, he set the red line. Does Putin not have the
right to set a red line?

First, are these events actually comparable? Because the US
didn't invade Cuba as a result of the USSR deploying missiles
there, whereas Russia has invaded Ukraine without Ukraine even
joining the EU or NATO, let alone deploying any missiles.

Second, when one "sets a red line" but then violates it
yourself, you've lost the moral high ground that you were
trying to claim, so the answer here is a "No".

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom and
democracy when people were forced under the threat of job
loss and lockdown to take experimental vaccines?

Has nothing to do with Russian/Ukraine.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom and
democracy when opinions that are not popular and mainstream
are banned from social media, and people expressing their
opinions are cancelled, ostracized, or lose their jobs or
liscences.

See "aiding and giving comfort to the enemy" principles.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for
democracy.

Why? Are only "true" democracies deserving of not being invaded
by dictatorships?

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but ...

There is no "but...": Putin is knowingly committing
international war crimes and all indications are that he will
not voluntarily stop. Since he also has a nuclear arsenal at
his control, he is a threat to all humankind and as such, he
must be stopped at absolutely any cost.

We need to stay the hell out of this...

We can't. Putin has a nuclear arsenal at his control, which
makes him an existential threat to all humankind.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are doing
these days. I got to look at my portfolio later, and maybe
get in on some of this action.

Oil stocks too.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and
human suffering in other parts of the world. like central
Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Asia and we hear
nothing about it. If we are such a moral compass, why do we
not speak up about the other atrocities of the world. Seems
we are somewhat selective no?

Consider how much of that selectiveness is predicated upon
securing resources at lowest cost for Capitalism. Overall, this
is why domestic "green" energy production actually enhances
National Security: if we don't need the oil from these
dictatorship shithole countries, they lose that power of
influence over us.

The problem, of course, is that such changes aren't free, so
Capitalistic forces typically opposed that which could reduce
their near term profits.

-hh

HH. you are clearly a comedian. I refuse to take you seriously,
I have no interest in debating point by point, because...

...you are utterly unable to rebut his points.

How utterly kind of you to come to his defense....

Well, it is an open forum ... and Alan did call it correctly.

My, my, my...

A reply in just 7 minutes.

As for me, I'm just hanging out at a buddies place while I wait for the front brake job to be completed on my BMW.

:-)\

True to form, what a doofus! You just had to drop that reference to the BMW. It was not enough to just say your car was being worked on. Big deal, you
own a race car, big deal you drive a BMW. No one cares and no one is jealous of you, who the hell in their right mind could be jealous of you...[long rant snipped]

Gosh, how's that new meme saying go again?
Oh right:

"How to say that you're jealous ...
... without saying that you're jealous."


-hh

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On 2022-03-16 3:37 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:56:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:30 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:23:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:21 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S
wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US
Cooperative Threat Reduction Program, which was to
decommission Soviet-era chem/bio weapons and ran in
parallel to the work to remove nuclear weapons in Ukraine.
That work was completed decades ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has >>>>>>> their been no oversight of this? Why are American

taxpayer dollar going to funding these labs?. How would
we feel if there were biolabs run by the Mexicans right
across the border.

A wiser question to ask is if the US should export our
expertise in lab safety.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible
slaughter of innocents in Ukraine when we went into
Vietnam and destroyed villages, destroyed agriculture,
and killed hundreds of thousands of total innocents.

I'm not aware of anyone in the USA who is trying to
justify doing those acts in Vietnam. Is there someone on
Fox that's saying that all was "good"? Let's see names.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible
slaughter of innocents in Ukraine when we wrecked total
havoc in the Middle East under the guise of "weapons of
mass destruction" that were never found.

Same answer: who still defends those actions as being
justified? Have the Republicans who lied to the world been
punished for that yet? Why or why not?

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis.
They got too close, he set the red line. Does Putin not
have the right to set a red line?

First, are these events actually comparable? Because the
US didn't invade Cuba as a result of the USSR deploying
missiles there, whereas Russia has invaded Ukraine without
Ukraine even joining the EU or NATO, let alone deploying
any missiles.

Second, when one "sets a red line" but then violates it
yourself, you've lost the moral high ground that you were
trying to claim, so the answer here is a "No".

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom
and democracy when people were forced under the threat of
job loss and lockdown to take experimental vaccines?

Has nothing to do with Russian/Ukraine.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom
and democracy when opinions that are not popular and
mainstream are banned from social media, and people
expressing their opinions are cancelled, ostracized, or
lose their jobs or liscences.

See "aiding and giving comfort to the enemy" principles.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for
democracy.

Why? Are only "true" democracies deserving of not being
invaded by dictatorships?

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but
...

There is no "but...": Putin is knowingly committing
international war crimes and all indications are that he
will not voluntarily stop. Since he also has a nuclear
arsenal at his control, he is a threat to all humankind and
as such, he must be stopped at absolutely any cost.

We need to stay the hell out of this...

We can't. Putin has a nuclear arsenal at his control,
which makes him an existential threat to all humankind.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are
doing these days. I got to look at my portfolio later,
and maybe get in on some of this action.

Oil stocks too.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and
human suffering in other parts of the world. like
central Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Asia and we
hear nothing about it. If we are such a moral compass,
why do we not speak up about the other atrocities of the
world. Seems we are somewhat selective no?

Consider how much of that selectiveness is predicated upon
securing resources at lowest cost for Capitalism. Overall,
this is why domestic "green" energy production actually
enhances National Security: if we don't need the oil from
these dictatorship shithole countries, they lose that power
of influence over us.

The problem, of course, is that such changes aren't free,
so Capitalistic forces typically opposed that which could
reduce their near term profits.

-hh

HH. you are clearly a comedian. I refuse to take you
seriously, I have no interest in debating point by point,
because...

...you are utterly unable to rebut his points.

How utterly kind of you to come to his defense. Your loyalty
brings tears to my eyes, that you care that much. Interesting
also, the way you just "pop us" all the time. Like a pimple that
you pop, and it just keeps coming back. My dear Spinster friend,
thank you as always for the entertainment you provide. I would
like to meet your script writer, he deserves a Pulitizer!

My, my, my...

A reply in just 7 minutes.

As for me, I'm just hanging out at a buddies place while I wait for
the front brake job to be completed on my BMW.

:-)

True to form, what a doofus! You just had to drop that reference to
the BMW. It was not enough to just say your car was being worked on.
Big deal, you own a race car, big deal you drive a BMW. No one cares
and no one is jealous of you, who the hell in their right mind could
be jealous of you. This sorta reminds me of that money counting
stunt you pulled. Talk about putting on a show. Good for you
doofus, you got money, We are happy for you. You might have more
money than all the rest of us combined. But who the hell would want
to be you, or even be remotely like you. If I am wrong, would
someone please step forward!

You seem to be ranting on a lot about it...

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:57:49 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative Threat Reduction
Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era chem/bio weapons and ran
in parallel to the work to remove nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

HELLO! Try reading your own reference:

"Consolidate and secure FSU WMD and related technology and materials"

That says nothing about "destroy" OR "destroyed!"

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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:06:10 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:57:49 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative Threat Reduction
Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era chem/bio weapons and ran
in parallel to the work to remove nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

HELLO! Try reading your own reference:

"Consolidate and secure FSU WMD and related technology and materials"

That says nothing about "destroy" OR "destroyed!"

Oh, look: its the layperson trying to speak again on national security & military matters.
How cute!

FYI, "secure" includes final disposition...
and
FYI, "disposition" includes demilitarization...
and
FYI, "demilitarization" includes destruction...


-hh

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 8:14:06 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:37:32 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:56:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:30 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:23:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:21 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S
wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative
Threat Reduction Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era
chem/bio weapons and ran in parallel to the work to remove
nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades
ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has

their been no oversight of this? Why are American taxpayer
dollar going to funding these labs?. How would we feel if
there were biolabs run by the Mexicans right across the
border.

A wiser question to ask is if the US should export our
expertise in lab safety.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter
of innocents in Ukraine when we went into Vietnam and
destroyed villages, destroyed agriculture, and killed
hundreds of thousands of total innocents.

I'm not aware of anyone in the USA who is trying to justify
doing those acts in Vietnam. Is there someone on Fox that's
saying that all was "good"? Let's see names.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter
of innocents in Ukraine when we wrecked total havoc in the
Middle East under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction"
that were never found.

Same answer: who still defends those actions as being
justified? Have the Republicans who lied to the world been
punished for that yet? Why or why not?

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis. They
got too close, he set the red line. Does Putin not have the
right to set a red line?

First, are these events actually comparable? Because the US
didn't invade Cuba as a result of the USSR deploying missiles
there, whereas Russia has invaded Ukraine without Ukraine even
joining the EU or NATO, let alone deploying any missiles.

Second, when one "sets a red line" but then violates it
yourself, you've lost the moral high ground that you were
trying to claim, so the answer here is a "No".

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom and
democracy when people were forced under the threat of job
loss and lockdown to take experimental vaccines?

Has nothing to do with Russian/Ukraine.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom and
democracy when opinions that are not popular and mainstream
are banned from social media, and people expressing their
opinions are cancelled, ostracized, or lose their jobs or
liscences.

See "aiding and giving comfort to the enemy" principles.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for
democracy.

Why? Are only "true" democracies deserving of not being invaded >>>> by dictatorships?

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but ...

There is no "but...": Putin is knowingly committing
international war crimes and all indications are that he will
not voluntarily stop. Since he also has a nuclear arsenal at
his control, he is a threat to all humankind and as such, he
must be stopped at absolutely any cost.

We need to stay the hell out of this...

We can't. Putin has a nuclear arsenal at his control, which
makes him an existential threat to all humankind.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are doing
these days. I got to look at my portfolio later, and maybe
get in on some of this action.

Oil stocks too.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and
human suffering in other parts of the world. like central
Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Asia and we hear
nothing about it. If we are such a moral compass, why do we
not speak up about the other atrocities of the world. Seems
we are somewhat selective no?

Consider how much of that selectiveness is predicated upon
securing resources at lowest cost for Capitalism. Overall, this >>>> is why domestic "green" energy production actually enhances
National Security: if we don't need the oil from these
dictatorship shithole countries, they lose that power of
influence over us.

The problem, of course, is that such changes aren't free, so
Capitalistic forces typically opposed that which could reduce
their near term profits.

-hh

HH. you are clearly a comedian. I refuse to take you seriously,
I have no interest in debating point by point, because...

...you are utterly unable to rebut his points.

How utterly kind of you to come to his defense....

Well, it is an open forum ... and Alan did call it correctly.

My, my, my...

A reply in just 7 minutes.

As for me, I'm just hanging out at a buddies place while I wait for the front brake job to be completed on my BMW.

:-)\

True to form, what a doofus! You just had to drop that reference to the BMW.
It was not enough to just say your car was being worked on. Big deal, you own a race car, big deal you drive a BMW. No one cares and no one is jealous
of you, who the hell in their right mind could be jealous of you...[long rant snipped]

Gosh, how's that new meme saying go again?
Oh right:

"How to say that you're jealous ...
... without saying that you're jealous."

-hh

Once again you show that your true calling in life is comedy. What a waste of talent?

Sorry to disappoint clown, but if I was to be jealous of anyone, it would not be a college dropout with no wife or kids. I certainly am not jealous of anyone that needs to do a youtube video counting money. To be honest, I am not a car person at all.
Cars fail to impress. I work 6 miles from home, my wife' office is 10, and we both often work from home, so we just need functional vehicles. Two small mazdas, they are tanks. Never have repair issues, they are tanks. We could surely afford
more expensive cars, but my son goes to private school, and with college looming, we have bigger priorities. Maybe the oaf to the north is different, but my butt is really stupid, It does not know whether it is sitting in a Toyota or a Range Rover.
Neh, cars never impressed me. I know so many folks that get new cars every 5 years, with payments that are almost a mortgage. To each their own, a waste in my eyes.

--- SoupGate-Win32 v1.05
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On 2022-03-17 3:10 a.m., -hh wrote:

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:06:10 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:57:49 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative Threat Reduction
Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era chem/bio weapons and ran
in parallel to the work to remove nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was >>> completed decades ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

HELLO! Try reading your own reference:

"Consolidate and secure FSU WMD and related technology and materials"

That says nothing about "destroy" OR "destroyed!"

Oh, look: its the layperson trying to speak again on national security & military matters.
How cute!

FYI, "secure" includes final disposition...
and
FYI, "disposition" includes demilitarization...
and
FYI, "demilitarization" includes destruction...

My girlfriend was working with a group called the "Atlantic Council",
who I believe were involved in providing scientific support to that process.

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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 2:56:01 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-17 3:10 a.m., -hh wrote:

On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 12:06:10 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:57:49 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative Threat Reduction
Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era chem/bio weapons and ran >>> in parallel to the work to remove nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was
completed decades ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

HELLO! Try reading your own reference:

"Consolidate and secure FSU WMD and related technology and materials"

That says nothing about "destroy" OR "destroyed!"

Oh, look: its the layperson trying to speak again on national security & military matters.
How cute!

FYI, "secure" includes final disposition...
and
FYI, "disposition" includes demilitarization...
and
FYI, "demilitarization" includes destruction...

My girlfriend was working with a group called the "Atlantic Council",
who I believe were involved in providing scientific support to that process.

How cute. You have a girlfriend. Is she local, or are we talking a cross-country flight also?

At your age, a "girlfriend", so touching. Just shows there is someone for everyone.

Any chance for a pic? Maybe we could all rate on a scale of 1-10!

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On Thursday, March 17, 2022 at 2:04:17 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 8:14:06 PM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 6:37:32 PM UTC-4, Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:56:56 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:30 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 4:23:41 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:

On 2022-03-16 1:21 p.m., Irving S wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:57:49 AM UTC-4, -hh wrote:

On Wednesday, March 16, 2022 at 9:22:08 AM UTC-4, Irving S
wrote:

1. What the hell was going on in those biolabs?.

Essentially nothing: that's Russian propaganda.

FYI, they're trying to claim that the old 1990s US Cooperative >>>> Threat Reduction Program, which was to decommission Soviet-era >>>> chem/bio weapons and ran in parallel to the work to remove
nuclear weapons in Ukraine. That work was completed decades
ago:

<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nunn%E2%80%93Lugar_Cooperative_Threat_Reduction>

What the hell has been going on at any of the biolabs in the world. Why has

their been no oversight of this? Why are American taxpayer
dollar going to funding these labs?. How would we feel if
there were biolabs run by the Mexicans right across the
border.

A wiser question to ask is if the US should export our
expertise in lab safety.

2. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter >>>>> of innocents in Ukraine when we went into Vietnam and
destroyed villages, destroyed agriculture, and killed
hundreds of thousands of total innocents.

I'm not aware of anyone in the USA who is trying to justify
doing those acts in Vietnam. Is there someone on Fox that's
saying that all was "good"? Let's see names.

3. How can we even begin to criticize the horrible slaughter >>>>> of innocents in Ukraine when we wrecked total havoc in the
Middle East under the guise of "weapons of mass destruction" >>>>> that were never found.

Same answer: who still defends those actions as being
justified? Have the Republicans who lied to the world been
punished for that yet? Why or why not?

4. Kennedy set a red line with the Cuban missle crisis. They >>>>> got too close, he set the red line. Does Putin not have the
right to set a red line?

First, are these events actually comparable? Because the US
didn't invade Cuba as a result of the USSR deploying missiles
there, whereas Russia has invaded Ukraine without Ukraine even >>>> joining the EU or NATO, let alone deploying any missiles.

Second, when one "sets a red line" but then violates it
yourself, you've lost the moral high ground that you were
trying to claim, so the answer here is a "No".

5. Who in the US and Europe to be talking about freedom and
democracy when people were forced under the threat of job
loss and lockdown to take experimental vaccines?

Has nothing to do with Russian/Ukraine.

6. Who is the US and Europe to the talking about freedom and >>>>> democracy when opinions that are not popular and mainstream
are banned from social media, and people expressing their
opinions are cancelled, ostracized, or lose their jobs or
liscences.

See "aiding and giving comfort to the enemy" principles.

7. Show me evidence that this Ukraine is a model for
democracy.

Why? Are only "true" democracies deserving of not being invaded >>>> by dictatorships?

I am repulsed by the destruction and death on TV, but ...

There is no "but...": Putin is knowingly committing
international war crimes and all indications are that he will
not voluntarily stop. Since he also has a nuclear arsenal at
his control, he is a threat to all humankind and as such, he
must be stopped at absolutely any cost.

We need to stay the hell out of this...

We can't. Putin has a nuclear arsenal at his control, which
makes him an existential threat to all humankind.

Interesting how well military industrial stocks are doing
these days. I got to look at my portfolio later, and maybe
get in on some of this action.

Oil stocks too.

Interestng also, that there have been terrible wars and
human suffering in other parts of the world. like central
Africa, the Middle East, and parts of Asia and we hear
nothing about it. If we are such a moral compass, why do we
not speak up about the other atrocities of the world. Seems
we are somewhat selective no?

Consider how much of that selectiveness is predicated upon
securing resources at lowest cost for Capitalism. Overall, this >>>> is why domestic "green" energy production actually enhances
National Security: if we don't need the oil from these
dictatorship shithole countries, they lose that power of
influence over us.

The problem, of course, is that such changes aren't free, so
Capitalistic forces typically opposed that which could reduce
their near term profits.

-hh

HH. you are clearly a comedian. I refuse to take you seriously,
I have no interest in debating point by point, because...

...you are utterly unable to rebut his points.

How utterly kind of you to come to his defense....

Well, it is an open forum ... and Alan did call it correctly.

My, my, my...

A reply in just 7 minutes.

As for me, I'm just hanging out at a buddies place while I wait for the front brake job to be completed on my BMW.

:-)\

True to form, what a doofus! You just had to drop that reference to the BMW.
It was not enough to just say your car was being worked on. Big deal, you own a race car, big deal you drive a BMW. No one cares and no one is jealous
of you, who the hell in their right mind could be jealous of you...[long rant snipped]

Gosh, how's that new meme saying go again?
Oh right:

"How to say that you're jealous ...
... without saying that you're jealous."

-hh

Once again you show that your true calling in life is comedy. What a waste of talent?

Sorry to disappoint clown, but if I was to be jealous of anyone, ...

"The lady doth protest too much..."

To be honest, I am not a car person at all. Cars fail to impress.

Except that this really isn't about cars, but discretionary expenses 'freeboard',
regardless of what it may be spent on.

I work 6 miles
from home, my wife' office is 10, and we both often work from home, so we just need functional vehicles. Two small mazdas, they are tanks. Never have repair issues, they are tanks. We could surely afford more expensive cars, but
my son goes to private school, and with college looming, we have bigger priorities.

Said "priorities" is indicative of a lack of discretionary freeboard to do both.

-hh

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