The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:
<https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/>
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:48:40 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:
<https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/>
Its simply due to lower attendance, Tommy. Not whatever you're trying to suggest
in terms of any 'agenda' being pushed by the schools.
Specifically, the article attributes it to:
* Declining birthrates
* Outward population migration
* Increased Homeschooling
* Urban gentrification displacement
FYI: the statewide decline in was larger back during Trump in 2020, at -3.3% YoY.
-hh
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked over the kids",
anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:48:40 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:
<https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/>Its simply due to lower attendance, Tommy. Not whatever you're trying to suggest
in terms of any 'agenda' being pushed by the schools.
Specifically, the article attributes it to:
* Declining birthrates
* Outward population migration
* Increased Homeschooling
* Urban gentrification displacement
FYI: the statewide decline in was larger back during Trump in 2020, at -3.3% YoY.
-hh
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/ >> Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked over the kids",
anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 2:33:13 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:48:40 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:Its simply due to lower attendance, Tommy. Not whatever you're trying to suggest
<https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/>
in terms of any 'agenda' being pushed by the schools.
Specifically, the article attributes it to:
* Declining birthrates
* Outward population migration
* Increased Homeschooling
* Urban gentrification displacement
FYI: the statewide decline in was larger back during Trump in 2020, at -3.3% YoY.
-hh
I have to give you credit for this, you DID hit on the principal reason: INCREASED HOMESCHOOLING! The fucking teachers forced parents into becoming their OWN teachers and the parents found out that they were BETTER at it than the teachers!!
https://www.nheri.org/how-many-homeschool-students-are-there-in-the-united-states-pre-covid-19-and-post-covid-19/
https://hslda.org/post/census-data-shows-phenomenal-homeschool-growth
An increase of five million home schooled students amounts to TEN PERCENT of the total student population!
The remaining reasons are too meniscal or slow-changing to be a factor. Plus, illegal aliens are dumping a WHOLE LOT of new students into school districts.
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked over the kids",
anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if they switch
to it?
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked over the kids",
anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if they switch
to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked over the kids", >>>> anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in the classroom, >>> forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools if you DON'T
USE THEM!!!
So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if they switch
to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is the teacher/student
ratio in the classroom vs home?
So homeschooling is better...
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:54:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked over the kids", >>>> anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in the classroom,
forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools if you DON'T >>> USE THEM!!!
So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if they switch >> to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is the teacher/student
ratio in the classroom vs home?
So homeschooling is better...
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.According to Tommy's logic, the ratio is the only thing that matters, not the
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
professional qualifications. And here's the vindication for his assertion:
<https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51602655>
-hh
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked over the kids", >>>> anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if they switch
to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?So homeschooling is better...
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 11:37:17 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:54:12 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked over the kids",
anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in the classroom,
forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools if you DON'T >>> USE THEM!!!
So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if they switch >> to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is the teacher/student
ratio in the classroom vs home?
So homeschooling is better...
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
According to Tommy's logic, the ratio is the only thing that matters, not the
professional qualifications. And here's the vindication for his assertion:
<https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51602655>
So, Lyin' Asshole, you ADMIT that the teacher/student ratio favors home schooling (this is REALLY a duh!).
You assume that what teachers have to do to get certified REALLY qualifies them to teach.
HOW do you know this?
Personally, I am FAR MORE QUALIFED to teach math and science than ANY grade school teacher you will run into.
I have actually been invited into a grade school to talk to students about electricity.
You assume that what teachers have to do to get certified REALLY
qualifies them to teach. HOW do you know this? Personally, I am FAR
MORE QUALIFED to teach math and science than ANY grade school teacher
you will run into. I have actually been invited into a grade school
to talk to students about electricity.
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:So homeschooling is better...
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked over the kids", >>>>>> anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if they switch >>>> to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to justify the unjustifiable.
On 2022-04-04 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
You assume that what teachers have to do to get certified REALLYWow.
qualifies them to teach. HOW do you know this? Personally, I am FAR
MORE QUALIFED to teach math and science than ANY grade school teacher
you will run into. I have actually been invited into a grade school
to talk to students about electricity.
Some class (with your child in the class I'm guessing) asked you to
speak... ...once.
Just to let you know, Sunshine, some years back I did tech support for a Jewish parochial school here in Vancouver and because of that, I was
asked on a few occasions to substitute for the computer lab teacher
(kids from age 5 - 13). After doing that a few times, the school's board
let me know that:
1. They were unsatisfied with their current lab teacher.
2. They would like me to take over on a full-time basis.
I was very flattered, but I had to decline.
:-)
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:So homeschooling is better...
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked over the kids", >>>>>> anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if they switch >>>> to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to justify the unjustifiable.I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold such
contradictory positions.
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards
perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked
over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in
the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling.
WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if
they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is
the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to
justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the
union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did
send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:48:51 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
You assume that what teachers have to do to get certified REALLYWow.
qualifies them to teach. HOW do you know this? Personally, I am FAR
MORE QUALIFED to teach math and science than ANY grade school teacher
you will run into. I have actually been invited into a grade school
to talk to students about electricity.
Some class (with your child in the class I'm guessing) asked you to
speak... ...once.
Just to let you know, Sunshine, some years back I did tech support for a
Jewish parochial school here in Vancouver and because of that, I was
asked on a few occasions to substitute for the computer lab teacher
(kids from age 5 - 13). After doing that a few times, the school's board
let me know that:
1. They were unsatisfied with their current lab teacher.
2. They would like me to take over on a full-time basis.
I was very flattered, but I had to decline.
:-)
Good and BAD for you!
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards
perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked
over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in
the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling.
WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if
they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is
the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to
justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the
union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the
assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...
...while plain homeschooling is better.
BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did
send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards
perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked
over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in
the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling.
WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if
they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is
the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to
justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the
union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did
send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using
the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards
perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked
over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in
the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling.
WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if
they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is
the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to
justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the
union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the
assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did
send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using
the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul,
inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each >> teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards
perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked
over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in
the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling.
WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if
they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is
the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to
justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the
union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using
the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are >>>>>>>>> fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom? >>>>>>
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards
perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked >>>>>>>> over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in >>>>>>> the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling.
WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if >>>>>> they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is >>>>> the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to
justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them - they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using
the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul,
inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each
teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.They're only better if the parent is a trained educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this really isn't about educational principles at all; it is merely that you've been told the you need to be anti-Union.
-hh
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are >>>>>>>>> fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom? >>>>>>
1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards
perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked >>>>>>>> over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in >>>>>>> the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. >>>>>>> WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if >>>>>> they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is >>>>> the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to
justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did
send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them - they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using
the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul,
inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each
teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.They're only better if the parent is a trained educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this really isn't about educational principles at all; it is merely that you've been told the you need to be anti-Union.
-hhHey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be an educator, in fact, a superior one.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, they are highly motivated and interested in their student(s).
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not resort to the least common denominator.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
… and they can include religious instruction that public schools can't.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students excel
when compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan
wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are >>>>>>>>> fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom? >>>>>>1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards >>>>>>>> perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked >>>>>>>> over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in >>>>>>> the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. >>>>>>> WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if >>>>>> they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is >>>>> the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to
justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did
send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul,
inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each
teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.They're only better if the parent is a trained educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this really isn't about educational principles at all; it is merely that you've been told the you
need to be anti-Union.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s why you make fun of non-engineers.-hhHey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream of lies. You DON'T
have to be a "trained" educator to be an educator, in fact, a superior one.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, they are highly motivated and interested in their student(s).Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. And just because
someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not resort to the least common denominator.First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of ignorance:
you & they don’t know how schools aggregate their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the teacher
doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the homeschooler
is weak on results in a student who’s weak there too. Think
of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper will do with science,
but now multiply that by however many years it goes on for
how screwed up the kid will get in science, etc.
TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which is why
those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students excelAs if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of interest!
when compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics is the
whole social development of the child: their environment is away
from their peers, often leaving homeschooled kids literally stunted.
BT,DT.
-hh
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 1:48:40 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are fucking over the schools:
<https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/>Its simply due to lower attendance, Tommy. Not whatever you're trying to suggest
in terms of any 'agenda' being pushed by the schools.
Specifically, the article attributes it to:
* Declining birthrates
* Outward population migration
* Increased Homeschooling
* Urban gentrification displacement
FYI: the statewide decline in was larger back during Trump in 2020, at -3.3% YoY.
-hh
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than
these union toads.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students excel when
compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
TomS wrote:
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students excel when compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/Well you are demonstrating your poor education.
Did you forget to factor class size when you made your ill considered
claim?
Put your parent in a class full of kids and how "superior" are they
then.
The trouble with be so unintelligent is that you do not even know the parameters and limitations of your own argument.
--
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Enjoy!
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>> wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are >>>>>>>>> fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold such >> contradictory positions.So homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom? >>>>>>1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards >>>>>>>> perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked >>>>>>>> over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in
the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. >>>>>>> WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if
they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is
the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to >>> justify the unjustifiable.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the
assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did
send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul,
inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each
teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.They're only better if the parent is a trained educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this really isn't about
educational principles at all; it is merely that you've been told the you
need to be anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream of lies. You DON'T
have to be a "trained" educator to be an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to the general case.
But they’re not the general case. That’s why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, they are highly
motivated and interested in their student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. And just because
someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of ignorance:
you & they don’t know how schools aggregate their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the teacher
doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the homeschooler
is weak on results in a student who’s weak there too. Think
of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper will do with science,
but now multiply that by however many years it goes on for
how screwed up the kid will get in science, etc.
TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which is why
those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students excel
when compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics is the
whole social development of the child: their environment is away
from their peers, often leaving homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
...home schooled students significantly outperform the machine students.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers after the system
FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we have never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>> wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards >>>>>>>> perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked >>>>>>>> over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in
the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. >>>>>>> WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if
they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is
the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to >>> justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the
union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the
assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did
send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using
the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul,
inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each
teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.They're only better if the parent is a trained educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this really isn't about
educational principles at all; it is merely that you've been told the you
need to be anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream of lies. You DON'T
have to be a "trained" educator to be an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to the general case.
But they’re not the general case. That’s why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, they are highly
motivated and interested in their student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. And just because
someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not resort to the least
common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of ignorance:
you & they don’t know how schools aggregate their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the teacher
doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the homeschooler
is weak on results in a student who’s weak there too. Think
of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper will do with science,
but now multiply that by however many years it goes on for
how screwed up the kid will get in science, etc.
TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which is why
those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students excel
when compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics is the whole social development of the child: their environment is away
from their peers, often leaving homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:They most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of the points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on showing everyone just how little you actually know about the art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers after the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they were GOOD AT IT!Substantiating citations conspicuously absent
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we have never witnessedOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in modest (<10%) shifts
before. You can either accept that FACT, or you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.
to greater homeschooling, but that's not proof that it is motivated by quality or
anything other factor than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if
the trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have transpired to avoid
the consequences of the real world data testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
-hh
On Saturday, April 9, 2022 at 3:12:34 AM UTC-7, Bigbird wrote:
TomS wrote:
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students excelWell you are demonstrating your poor education.
when compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
Did you forget to factor class size when you made your ill
considered claim?
Put your parent in a class full of kids and how "superior" are they
then.
The trouble with be so unintelligent is that you do not even know
the parameters and limitations of your own argument.
Hey Andy,
thanks for making my case for me - you can't have
effective, personalized education when the teacher is diluted THIRTY
TO ONE! And that is for schools where the kids aren't DEALING DRUGS!!
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned their
kids to the machine called public schools.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter schools
as a result. Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONS are - and VERY successfully.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>> wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards >>>>>>>> perhaps.The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked
over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone? >>>>>>>
the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling.
WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if
they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is
the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home? >>>> So homeschooling is better...
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to
justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the
union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the
assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did
send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using
the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul,
inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each
teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.They're only better if the parent is a trained educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this really isn't about
educational principles at all; it is merely that you've been told the you
need to be anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream of lies. You DON'T
have to be a "trained" educator to be an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to the general case.
But they’re not the general case. That’s why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, they are highly
motivated and interested in their student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. And just because
someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not resort to the least
common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the teacher
doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the homeschooler
is weak on results in a student who’s weak there too. Think
of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper will do with science,
but now multiply that by however many years it goes on for
how screwed up the kid will get in science, etc.
TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students excel
when compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics is the whole social development of the child: their environment is away
from their peers, often leaving homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:They most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of the points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on showing everyone just how little you actually know about the art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers after the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they were GOOD AT IT!Substantiating citations conspicuously absent
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we have never witnessedOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in modest (<10%) shifts
before. You can either accept that FACT, or you can continue what you are
best at: lying and deceit.
to greater homeschooling, but that's not proof that it is motivated by quality or
anything other factor than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if
the trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have transpired to avoid
the consequences of the real world data testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned their kids to the machine called public schools.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter schools as a result.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONS are - and VERY successfully.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>> wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold suchSo is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom?1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boardsThe teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in
perhaps.
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked
over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone? >>>>>>>
the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling.
WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if
they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is
the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home? >>>> So homeschooling is better...
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to
justify the unjustifiable.
contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the
union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the
assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did
send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using
the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul,
inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each
teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.They're only better if the parent is a trained educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this really isn't about
educational principles at all; it is merely that you've been told the you
need to be anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream of lies. You DON'T
have to be a "trained" educator to be an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to the general case.
But they’re not the general case. That’s why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, they are highly
motivated and interested in their student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. And just because
someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not resort to the least
common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the homeschooler
is weak on results in a student who’s weak there too. Think
of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper will do with science,
but now multiply that by however many years it goes on for
how screwed up the kid will get in science, etc.
TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students excel when compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics is the whole social development of the child: their environment is away from their peers, often leaving homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:They most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of the points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on showing everyone
just how little you actually know about the art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers after the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they were GOOD AT IT!Substantiating citations conspicuously absent
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we have never witnessedOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in modest (<10%) shifts
before. You can either accept that FACT, or you can continue what you are
best at: lying and deceit.
to greater homeschooling, but that's not proof that it is motivated by quality or
anything other factor than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if
the trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have transpired to avoid
the consequences of the real world data testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned their kids to the machine called public schools.Poor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs September to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of the grade credit, especially
when the homeschooler missed taking their state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year, there's been over 340,000
Americans who have died of CoVid, including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of
roughly 30 deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter schools as a result.No, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As such, it is less than
one percentage point of the total education population, and on its own, it isn't significant
enough to be shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on changes
in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI, a town I've lived in went through
the same school district shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble
graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONS are - and VERY successfully.Oh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the trained professionals, its
now a goalpost backslide where there's allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'...
...for whatever constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test scores
and not all of the many other social-centric factors which affect the overall development
of a young adult into becoming a productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is to try to sabotage
all public institutions so that they can be privatized for profit... which is precisely why
only in the USA does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't):
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22
AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS
wrote:
The schools fucked over the
kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
Poor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs SeptemberThey most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of theThey're only better if the parent is a trainedNot only that, but Tom finally slips in the keyI'm simply trying to understand how yourSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that
1. How can "schools" fuck over
kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards
supposed to have "fucked over the
kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck
over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids
by REFUSING to teach in the
classroom, forcing them to do to
ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools
if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over"
their own children if they switch to
it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom.
Think about it, what is the
teacher/student ratio in the classroom
vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is
worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it
through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your
libtards part to justify the
unjustifiable.
brain can hold such contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents
are leaving the union-run schools in a
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because
online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their
children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible... ...while plain
homeschooling is better.
word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run
schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and notBTW, no, I did not have a child in the class,
FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them
- they are LOVELY)!
an in-class exercise, right? (and why would that
be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because
they were using the school's art supply materials.
One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory,
sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER
TEACHERS than these union toads.
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this
really isn't about educational principles at all; it is
merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream
of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be
an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to
the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s
why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters,
they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias.
And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that
they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of
ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate
their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall
attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the
teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the
homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak
there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper
will do with science, but now multiply that by however many
years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in
science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public
schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which
is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the
reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students
excel when compared to public schooled.
https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of
interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics
is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the
art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers afterSubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they
were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we haveOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or
you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not
proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor
than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the
trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional
norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have
transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data
testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned
their kids to the machine called public schools.
to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of the
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their
state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year,
there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30
deaths per hour.
No, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter
schools as a result.
such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education
population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI,
a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble
graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONSOh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
are - and VERY successfully.
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's
allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test
scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which
affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a
productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is
to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be
privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA
does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that
had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into
panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN,
I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to
protect the union status quo.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that
still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches,
and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She
doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students
on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes
attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
And, YES, ten percent amounts to MILLIONS of parents homeschooling
their kids. Even the Lyin' Asshole should be able to make such a
SIMPLE calculation! Note that many parents can't afford to home
school their kids, not from being unqualified, or the numbers would
be higher. And the home school parents DON'T get any financial aid
from the states, unlike public schools (they SHOULD!).
On 2022-04-10 9:25 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22
AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS
wrote:
The schools fucked over the
kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
Poor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs SeptemberThey most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of theThey're only better if the parent is a trainedNot only that, but Tom finally slips in the keyI'm simply trying to understand how yourSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that1. How can "schools" fuck over
kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards
supposed to have "fucked over the
kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck
over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids
by REFUSING to teach in the
classroom, forcing them to do to
ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools
if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over"
their own children if they switch to
it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom.
Think about it, what is the
teacher/student ratio in the classroom
vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is
worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it
through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your
libtards part to justify the
unjustifiable.
brain can hold such contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents
are leaving the union-run schools in a
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because
online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their
children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible... ...while plain
homeschooling is better.
word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run
schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and notBTW, no, I did not have a child in the class,
FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them
- they are LOVELY)!
an in-class exercise, right? (and why would that
be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because
they were using the school's art supply materials.
One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory,
sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER
TEACHERS than these union toads.
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this
really isn't about educational principles at all; it is
merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream
of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be
an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to
the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s
why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters,
they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias.
And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that >>>>>> they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of
ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate
their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall
attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the
teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the
homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak
there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper
will do with science, but now multiply that by however many
years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in
science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public
schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which
is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the
reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students
excel when compared to public schooled.
https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of
interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics
is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the
art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers afterSubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they
were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we haveOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or
you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not
proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor
than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the
trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional
norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have
transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data
testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned
their kids to the machine called public schools.
to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of the
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their
state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year,
there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30
deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter
schools as a result.
No, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As
such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education
population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI,
a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble
graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONSOh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
are - and VERY successfully.
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's
allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test
scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which
affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a
productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is
to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be
privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA
does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that
had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into
panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN,
I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to protect the union status quo.'>
There hasn't BEEN a 10% loss of business, Sunshine.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that
still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches,
and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students
on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
Riiiiiiiight.
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:They most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of the points above. >>
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:They're only better if the parent is a trained educator.
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key word that underlies his motivation:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS wrote:
The schools fucked over the kids, now the parents are >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
I'm simply trying to understand how your brain can hold such >>>>>>>>>>> contradictory positions.So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. How can "schools" fuck over kids? School boards >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perhaps.The teachers fucked over the kids by REFUSING to teach in >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the classroom, forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
2. How are the school boards supposed to have "fucked >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over the kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck over" anyone? >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> they switch to it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think about it, what is >>>>>>>>>>>>>> the teacher/student ratio in the classroom vs home? >>>>>>>>>>>>> So homeschooling is better...
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your libtards part to >>>>>>>>>>>> justify the unjustifiable.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents are leaving the >>>>>>>>>> union-run schools in a STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling >>>>>>>>>> the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the >>>>>>>>> assistance of professional teachers.
...is somehow terrible...
...while plain homeschooling is better.
"... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not an in-class exercise, right?BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, FOOL. But they ALL did >>>>>>>>>> send me a stack of THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them - >>>>>>>>>> they are LOVELY)!
(and why would that be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?). >>>>>>>>
And the reason why they were hand-made was because they were using >>>>>>>> the school's art supply materials. One of my first jobs was to help haul,
inventory, sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in bulk, out to each
teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this really isn't about >>>>>> educational principles at all; it is merely that you've been told the you
need to be anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream of lies. You DON'T
have to be a "trained" educator to be an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to the general case.
But they’re not the general case. That’s why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, they are highly >>>>> motivated and interested in their student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. And just because
someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not resort to the least >>>>> common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of ignorance:
you & they don’t know how schools aggregate their students into
performance tiers, to maximize overall attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the teacher
doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the homeschooler
is weak on results in a student who’s weak there too. Think
of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper will do with science,
but now multiply that by however many years it goes on for
how screwed up the kid will get in science, etc.
TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public schools can't. >>>>Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which is why
those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the reality of society. >>>>
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students excel
when compared to public schooled.
https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics is the
whole social development of the child: their environment is away
from their peers, often leaving homeschooled kids literally stunted.
BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
...home schooled students significantly outperform the machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on showing everyone
just how little you actually know about the art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers after the systemSubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we have never witnessed >>> before. You can either accept that FACT, or you can continue what you are >>> best at: lying and deceit.Oh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in modest (<10%) shifts
to greater homeschooling, but that's not proof that it is motivated by quality or
anything other factor than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if
the trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have transpired to avoid
the consequences of the real world data testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
-hh
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned their kids to the machine called public schools.
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7,UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-04-04 10:26
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM
a.m., TomS wrote: >>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022
at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On
2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote: >>>>>>> On
Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan
p.m., TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>> The schools fuckedwrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-04-03 10:48
over the kids, now the parents are >>>>>>>>>
fucking over the schools: >>>>>>>>> https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-publi c-schools-close-schools/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out,
it isn't): >>>>>>>>
School boards >>>>>>>> perhaps.1. How can "schools" fuck over kids?
have "fucked >>>>>>>> over the kids", anyway?
2. How are the school boards supposed to
anyone? >>>>>>>
3. How do school closings "fuck over"
REFUSING to teach in >>>>>>> the classroom,The teachers fucked over the kids by
forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. >>>>>>>
WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!! >>>>>>
So is homeschooling worse that learning in the
classroom? >>>>>> >>>>>> If so, aren't parents
"fucking over" their own children if >>>>>> they
switch to it? >>>>>
about it, what is >>>>> the teacher/student ratioNo, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think
in the classroom vs home? >>>> So homeschooling
is better... >>>>
worse? >>>>...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is
libtards part to >>> justify the unjustifiable.Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your
can hold such >> contradictory positions.I'm simply trying to understand how your brain
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents
are leaving the union-run schools in a
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because
online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their
children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key
...while plain homeschooling is better.
word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and notBTW, no, I did not have a child in the class,
FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
an in-class exercise, right? (and why would that
be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because
they were using the school's art supply materials.
One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory,
sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.They're only better if the parent is a trained
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this
really isn't about educational principles at all; it is
merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream
of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be
an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to
the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s
why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters,
they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias.
And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate
their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the
homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak
there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper
will do with science, but now multiply that by however many
years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in
science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially fewer resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which
is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the
reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students
excel when compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of
interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics
is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:They most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of the
points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the
art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers afterSubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they
were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we haveOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or
you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not
proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor
than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the
trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data
testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returnedPoor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs September
their kids to the machine called public schools.
to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of the
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their
state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year,
there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30
deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutterNo, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As
schools as a result.
such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI,
a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble
graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONSOh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
are - and VERY successfully.
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's
allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test
scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which
affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a
productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is
to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be
privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA
does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that
had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into
panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN,
I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to
protect the union status quo.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that
still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches,
and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She
doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students
on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes
attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
And, YES, ten percent amounts to MILLIONS of parents homeschooling
their kids. Even the Lyin' Asshole should be able to make such a
SIMPLE calculation! Note that many parents can't afford to home
school their kids, not from being unqualified, or the numbers would
be higher. And the home school parents DON'T get any financial aid
from the states, unlike public schools (they SHOULD!).
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:24:11 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-10 9:25 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22
AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS
wrote:
The schools fucked over the
kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
Poor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs SeptemberThey most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of theThey're only better if the parent is a trainedNot only that, but Tom finally slips in the keyI'm simply trying to understand how yourSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that1. How can "schools" fuck over
kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards
supposed to have "fucked over the
kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck
over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids
by REFUSING to teach in the
classroom, forcing them to do to
ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools
if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over"
their own children if they switch to
it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom.
Think about it, what is the
teacher/student ratio in the classroom
vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is
worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it
through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your
libtards part to justify the
unjustifiable.
brain can hold such contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents
are leaving the union-run schools in a
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because
online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their
children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible... ...while plain
homeschooling is better.
word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run
schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and notBTW, no, I did not have a child in the class,
FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them
- they are LOVELY)!
an in-class exercise, right? (and why would that
be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because
they were using the school's art supply materials.
One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory,
sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER
TEACHERS than these union toads.
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this
really isn't about educational principles at all; it is
merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream
of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be
an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to
the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s >>>>>> why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters,
they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. >>>>>> And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that >>>>>> they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of
ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate
their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall
attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the
teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the
homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak
there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper
will do with science, but now multiply that by however many
years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in
science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public
schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which
is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the
reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students
excel when compared to public schooled.
https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of
interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics
is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the
art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers afterSubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they
were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we haveOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or
you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not
proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor
than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the
trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional
norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have
transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data
testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned
their kids to the machine called public schools.
to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of the
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their
state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year,
there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30
deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter
schools as a result.
No, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As
such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education
population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI,
a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble
graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONSOh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
are - and VERY successfully.
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's
allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test
scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which
affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a
productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is
to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be
privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA
does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into
panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN,
I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to protect the union status quo.'>
There hasn't BEEN a 10% loss of business, Sunshine.
Poor Tommy ... a washed-up former Engineer who can't even do the
math of what 10% of 6% is anymore.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches,
and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students
on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
Riiiiiiiight.Can be true for instances of a substitute who's doing a single day fill-in (we used to get to watch a movie) or who's assigned to watch over the
Study Period room: a district does generally have discretion for where
to place the subs, so a bad/weak one can go to the easier fills where they'll do less harm.
-hh
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:24:11 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-10 9:25 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22
AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS
wrote:
The schools fucked over the
kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
Poor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs SeptemberThey most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of theThey're only better if the parent is a trainedNot only that, but Tom finally slips in the keyI'm simply trying to understand how yourSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that1. How can "schools" fuck over
kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards
supposed to have "fucked over the
kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck
over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids
by REFUSING to teach in the
classroom, forcing them to do to
ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools
if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over"
their own children if they switch to
it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom.
Think about it, what is the
teacher/student ratio in the classroom
vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is
worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it
through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your
libtards part to justify the
unjustifiable.
brain can hold such contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents
are leaving the union-run schools in a
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because
online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their
children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible... ...while plain
homeschooling is better.
word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run
schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and notBTW, no, I did not have a child in the class,
FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them
- they are LOVELY)!
an in-class exercise, right? (and why would that
be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because
they were using the school's art supply materials.
One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory,
sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER
TEACHERS than these union toads.
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this
really isn't about educational principles at all; it is
merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream
of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be
an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to
the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s >>>>>> why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters,
they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. >>>>>> And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that >>>>>> they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of
ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate
their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall
attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the
teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the
homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak
there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper
will do with science, but now multiply that by however many
years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in
science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public
schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which
is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the
reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students
excel when compared to public schooled.
https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of
interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics
is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the
art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers afterSubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they
were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we haveOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or
you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not
proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor
than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the
trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional
norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have
transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data
testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned
their kids to the machine called public schools.
to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of the
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their
state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year,
there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30
deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter
schools as a result.
No, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As
such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education
population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI,
a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble
graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONSOh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
are - and VERY successfully.
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's
allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test
scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which
affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a
productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is
to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be
privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA
does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into
panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN,
I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to protect the union status quo.'>
There hasn't BEEN a 10% loss of business, Sunshine.
Poor Tommy ... a washed-up former Engineer who can't even do the
math of what 10% of 6% is anymore.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches,
and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students
on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
Riiiiiiiight.Can be true for instances of a substitute who's doing a single day fill-in (we used to get to watch a movie) or who's assigned to watch over the
Study Period room: a district does generally have discretion for where
to place the subs, so a bad/weak one can go to the easier fills where they'll do less harm.
-hh
TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7,UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>> On 2022-04-04 10:26
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM
a.m., TomS wrote: >>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022
at 9:54:15 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote: >>>>>> On
2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote: >>>>>>> On
Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 AM UTC-7, Alan >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> On 2022-04-03 10:48
p.m., TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>> The schools fucked
over the kids, now the parents are >>>>>>>>>
fucking over the schools: >>>>>>>>> https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-publi c-schools-close-schools/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out,
it isn't): >>>>>>>>
School boards >>>>>>>> perhaps.1. How can "schools" fuck over kids?
have "fucked >>>>>>>> over the kids", anyway?
2. How are the school boards supposed to
anyone? >>>>>>>
3. How do school closings "fuck over"
REFUSING to teach in >>>>>>> the classroom,The teachers fucked over the kids by
forcing them to do to ONLINE schooling. >>>>>>>
WHY have schools if you DON'T USE THEM!!! >>>>>>
So is homeschooling worse that learning in the classroom? >>>>>> >>>>>> If so, aren't parents "fucking over" their own children if >>>>>> they switch to it? >>>>>
about it, what is >>>>> the teacher/student ratioNo, it is BETTER than the classroom. Think
in the classroom vs home? >>>> So homeschooling
is better... >>>>
worse? >>>>...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is
libtards part to >>> justify the unjustifiable.Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your
can hold such >> contradictory positions.I'm simply trying to understand how your brain
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents
are leaving the union-run schools in a
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible...Not only that, but Tom finally slips in the key
...while plain homeschooling is better.
word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and notBTW, no, I did not have a child in the class,
FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them -
they are LOVELY)!
an in-class exercise, right? (and why would that
be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because
they were using the school's art supply materials.
One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory,
sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER TEACHERS than these union toads.They're only better if the parent is a trained
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this
really isn't about educational principles at all; it is merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream
of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be
an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to
the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters,
they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate
their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the
homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak
there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper
will do with science, but now multiply that by however many years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in
science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially fewer resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which
is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students
excel when compared to public schooled. https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics
is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:They most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of the
points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"? <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the
art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers afterSubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they
were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we haveOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or
you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not
proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor
than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the
trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data
testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returnedPoor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs September
their kids to the machine called public schools.
to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of the
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their
state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year, there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30
deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutterNo, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As
schools as a result.
such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI,
a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONSOh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
are - and VERY successfully.
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test
scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which
affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is
to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA
does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that
had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into
panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN,
I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to protect the union status quo.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that
still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches,
and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students
on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
And, YES, ten percent amounts to MILLIONS of parents homeschoolingDementia has to be hell when you persist in a lie that has been exposed already.
their kids. Even the Lyin' Asshole should be able to make such a
SIMPLE calculation! Note that many parents can't afford to home
school their kids, not from being unqualified, or the numbers would
be higher. And the home school parents DON'T get any financial aid
from the states, unlike public schools (they SHOULD!).
How does it feel to be outed as a liar and a demented old fart every
day that you post your fabricated shite, Betty Boo Hoo?
--
Bozo bin
Felicity (transgender nymshifter)
George R (transgender nymshifter)
Irving S (transgender nymshifter)
Texasgate
Enjoy!
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:39:14 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:24:11 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-10 9:25 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS
wrote:
The schools fucked over the
kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
Poor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs SeptemberThey most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of theThey're only better if the parent is a trainedNot only that, but Tom finally slips in the keyI'm simply trying to understand how yourSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that1. How can "schools" fuck over
kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards
supposed to have "fucked over the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck
over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids
by REFUSING to teach in the
classroom, forcing them to do to
ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools
if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over"
their own children if they switch to
it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom.
Think about it, what is the
teacher/student ratio in the classroom
vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is
worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it
through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your
libtards part to justify the
unjustifiable.
brain can hold such contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents
are leaving the union-run schools in a
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because >>>>>>>>>>> online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their
children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible... ...while plain
homeschooling is better.
word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run
schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and notBTW, no, I did not have a child in the class,
FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them
- they are LOVELY)!
an in-class exercise, right? (and why would that
be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because
they were using the school's art supply materials.
One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory,
sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER >>>>>>>>> TEACHERS than these union toads.
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this
really isn't about educational principles at all; it is >>>>>>>> merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream
of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be
an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to
the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s >>>>>> why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, >>>>>>> they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. >>>>>> And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that >>>>>> they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of
ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate
their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall
attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the
teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the
homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak
there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper
will do with science, but now multiply that by however many >>>>>> years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in
science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public >>>>>>> schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which >>>>>> is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the
reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students
excel when compared to public schooled.
https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of
interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics >>>>>> is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the
art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers afterSubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they
were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we haveOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or
you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not
proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor
than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the
trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional
norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have >>>> transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data
testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned
their kids to the machine called public schools.
to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of the
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their
state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year,
there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30
deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter
schools as a result.
No, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As
such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education
population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI, >> a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble
graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONS >>> are - and VERY successfully.Oh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's
allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test
scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which
affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a
productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is >> to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be
privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA
does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into
panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN, I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to protect the union status quo.'>
There hasn't BEEN a 10% loss of business, Sunshine.
Poor Tommy ... a washed-up former Engineer who can't even do the
math of what 10% of 6% is anymore.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches, and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
Riiiiiiiight.Can be true for instances of a substitute who's doing a single day fill-in (we used to get to watch a movie) or who's assigned to watch over the Study Period room: a district does generally have discretion for where
to place the subs, so a bad/weak one can go to the easier fills where they'll do less harm.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, it is the way they are teaching these days, Dufus.
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:39:14 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:24:11 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-10 9:25 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS
wrote:
The schools fucked over the
kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
Poor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs SeptemberThey most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of theThey're only better if the parent is a trainedNot only that, but Tom finally slips in the keyI'm simply trying to understand how yourSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that1. How can "schools" fuck over
kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards
supposed to have "fucked over the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck
over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids
by REFUSING to teach in the
classroom, forcing them to do to
ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools
if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over"
their own children if they switch to
it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom.
Think about it, what is the
teacher/student ratio in the classroom
vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is
worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine.
Perhaps you didn't really think it
through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your
libtards part to justify the
unjustifiable.
brain can hold such contradictory positions.
Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents
are leaving the union-run schools in a
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because >>>>>>>>>>> online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their
children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible... ...while plain
homeschooling is better.
word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run
schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and notBTW, no, I did not have a child in the class,
FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them
- they are LOVELY)!
an in-class exercise, right? (and why would that
be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because
they were using the school's art supply materials.
One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory,
sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER >>>>>>>>> TEACHERS than these union toads.
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this
really isn't about educational principles at all; it is >>>>>>>> merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream
of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be
an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to
the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s >>>>>> why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, >>>>>>> they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. >>>>>> And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that >>>>>> they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of
ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate
their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall
attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the
teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the
homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak
there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper
will do with science, but now multiply that by however many >>>>>> years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in
science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public >>>>>>> schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which >>>>>> is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the
reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students
excel when compared to public schooled.
https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of
interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics >>>>>> is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
points above.
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the
art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers afterSubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they
were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we haveOh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or
you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not
proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor
than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the
trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional
norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have >>>> transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data
testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned
their kids to the machine called public schools.
to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of the
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their
state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year,
there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30
deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter
schools as a result.
No, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As
such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education
population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI, >> a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble
graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONS >>> are - and VERY successfully.Oh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's
allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test
scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which
affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a
productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is >> to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be
privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA
does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into
panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN, I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to protect the union status quo.'>
There hasn't BEEN a 10% loss of business, Sunshine.
Poor Tommy ... a washed-up former Engineer who can't even do the
math of what 10% of 6% is anymore.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches, and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
Riiiiiiiight.Can be true for instances of a substitute who's doing a single day fill-in (we used to get to watch a movie) or who's assigned to watch over the Study Period room: a district does generally have discretion for where
to place the subs, so a bad/weak one can go to the easier fills where they'll do less harm.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, I note that you didn't even show your NEW MATH!
The references I posted speak for themselves.
BTW, talk about being washed up, you COULDN'T EVEN FIND my publications
on google scholar, a fifth grade exercise!!!
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 4:07:45 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:39:14 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:24:11 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-10 9:25 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS
wrote:
The schools fucked over the
kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
Poor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs September >> to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of theThey most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of the >>>> points above.They're only better if the parent is a trainedNot only that, but Tom finally slips in the keyHey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents >>>>>>>>>>>> are leaving the union-run schools in aI'm simply trying to understand how yourSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that1. How can "schools" fuck over
kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards
supposed to have "fucked over the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by REFUSING to teach in the
classroom, forcing them to do to
ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their own children if they switch to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom.
Think about it, what is the
teacher/student ratio in the classroom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is
worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Perhaps you didn't really think it
through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> libtards part to justify the
unjustifiable.
brain can hold such contradictory positions. >>>>>>>>>>>>
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because >>>>>>>>>>> online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their >>>>>>>>>>> children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible... ...while plain
homeschooling is better.
word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run >>>>>>>>>> schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not >>>>>>>>>> an in-class exercise, right? (and why would thatBTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, >>>>>>>>>>>> FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them >>>>>>>>>>>> - they are LOVELY)!
be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because >>>>>>>>>> they were using the school's art supply materials. >>>>>>>>>> One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory, >>>>>>>>>> sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER >>>>>>>>> TEACHERS than these union toads.
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this
really isn't about educational principles at all; it is >>>>>>>> merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream >>>>>>> of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be >>>>>>> an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to >>>>>> the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s >>>>>> why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, >>>>>>> they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. >>>>>> And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that >>>>>> they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of >>>>>> ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate
their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall >>>>>> attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the
teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the >>>>>> homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak >>>>>> there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper >>>>>> will do with science, but now multiply that by however many >>>>>> years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in
science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public >>>>>>> schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which >>>>>> is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the >>>>>> reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students >>>>>>> excel when compared to public schooled.
https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of
interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics >>>>>> is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the
art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers after >>>>> the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that theySubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we have >>>>> never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or >>>>> you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.Oh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not >>>> proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor >>>> than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the >>>> trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional
norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have >>>> transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data
testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned
their kids to the machine called public schools.
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their >> state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year, >> there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30
deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter
schools as a result.
No, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As >> such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education >> population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI, >> a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble
graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONS >>> are - and VERY successfully.Oh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's >> allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test >> scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which >> affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a
productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is >> to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be
privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA
does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that
had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN,
I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to
protect the union status quo.'>
There hasn't BEEN a 10% loss of business, Sunshine.
Poor Tommy ... a washed-up former Engineer who can't even do the
math of what 10% of 6% is anymore.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches, and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students
on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
Riiiiiiiight.Can be true for instances of a substitute who's doing a single day fill-in
(we used to get to watch a movie) or who's assigned to watch over the Study Period room: a district does generally have discretion for where to place the subs, so a bad/weak one can go to the easier fills where they'll do less harm.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, it is the way they are teaching these days, Dufus.No, its what you've _claimed_ was told to you by who you _claim_ was
a retired teacher who's not actually retired, but is substitute teaching.
-hh
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 4:05:57 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:39:14 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:24:11 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-10 9:25 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4,
Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM
UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS
wrote:
The schools fucked over the
kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
Poor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs September >> to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of theThey most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of the >>>> points above.They're only better if the parent is a trainedNot only that, but Tom finally slips in the keyHey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents >>>>>>>>>>>> are leaving the union-run schools in aI'm simply trying to understand how yourSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that1. How can "schools" fuck over
kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards
supposed to have "fucked over the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by REFUSING to teach in the
classroom, forcing them to do to
ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their own children if they switch to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom.
Think about it, what is the
teacher/student ratio in the classroom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is
worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Perhaps you didn't really think it
through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> libtards part to justify the
unjustifiable.
brain can hold such contradictory positions. >>>>>>>>>>>>
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling
the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because >>>>>>>>>>> online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their >>>>>>>>>>> children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible... ...while plain
homeschooling is better.
word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run >>>>>>>>>> schools..."
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not >>>>>>>>>> an in-class exercise, right? (and why would thatBTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, >>>>>>>>>>>> FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them >>>>>>>>>>>> - they are LOVELY)!
be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?).
And the reason why they were hand-made was because >>>>>>>>>> they were using the school's art supply materials. >>>>>>>>>> One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory, >>>>>>>>>> sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER >>>>>>>>> TEACHERS than these union toads.
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this
really isn't about educational principles at all; it is >>>>>>>> merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream >>>>>>> of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be >>>>>>> an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to >>>>>> the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s >>>>>> why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, >>>>>>> they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. >>>>>> And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that >>>>>> they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of >>>>>> ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate
their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall >>>>>> attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the
teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the >>>>>> homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak >>>>>> there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper >>>>>> will do with science, but now multiply that by however many >>>>>> years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in
science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public >>>>>>> schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which >>>>>> is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the >>>>>> reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students >>>>>>> excel when compared to public schooled.
https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of
interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics >>>>>> is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the
art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers after >>>>> the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that theySubstantiating citations conspicuously absent
were GOOD AT IT!
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we have >>>>> never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or >>>>> you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.Oh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not >>>> proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor >>>> than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the >>>> trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional
norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have >>>> transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data
testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned
their kids to the machine called public schools.
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their >> state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year, >> there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30
deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter
schools as a result.
No, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As >> such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education >> population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI, >> a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble
graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONS >>> are - and VERY successfully.Oh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's >> allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test >> scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which >> affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a
productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is >> to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be
privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA
does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that
had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN,
I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to
protect the union status quo.'>
There hasn't BEEN a 10% loss of business, Sunshine.
Poor Tommy ... a washed-up former Engineer who can't even do the
math of what 10% of 6% is anymore.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches, and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students
on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
Riiiiiiiight.Can be true for instances of a substitute who's doing a single day fill-in
(we used to get to watch a movie) or who's assigned to watch over the Study Period room: a district does generally have discretion for where to place the subs, so a bad/weak one can go to the easier fills where they'll do less harm.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, I note that you didn't even show your NEW MATH!Tommy needs someone to tell him that a 10% increase on 6% equals 6.6%.
The references I posted speak for themselves.
BTW, talk about being washed up, you COULDN'T EVEN FIND my publicationsI specifically avoided doxxing you via the transposed spelling;
on google scholar, a fifth grade exercise!!!
you're welcome.
-hh
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:01:45 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 4:05:57 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 3:39:14 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Monday, April 11, 2022 at 1:24:11 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-10 9:25 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:Even if it were true (which, as HH pointed out, it isn't): >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 1:57:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, April 10, 2022 at 6:36:10 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 11:10:03 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote: >>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 6:13:14 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 7:34:47 PM UTC-4, TomS wrote: >>>>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 3:08:48 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote: >>>>>>>> On Friday, April 8, 2022 at 1:44:14 AM UTC-4, TomS
wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 1:56:54 AM UTC-7, -hh >>>>>>>>> wrote:
On Wednesday, April 6, 2022 at 3:21:49 AM UTC-4, >>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-05 9:05 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Tuesday, April 5, 2022 at 10:49:43 AM UTC-7, >>>>>>>>>>>> Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:08 p.m., TomS wrote:
On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 10:54:12 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 10:26 a.m., TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 9:54:15 AM >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-04 9:35 a.m., TomS wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Monday, April 4, 2022 at 8:45:22 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
On 2022-04-03 10:48 p.m., TomS >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
The schools fucked over the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids, now the parents are
fucking over the schools:
https://www.denverpost.com/2022/01/20/denver-public-schools-close-schools/
Poor Tommy, he doesn't realize that the school year runs SeptemberThey most certainly do: you've dodged every single one of the >>>> points above.They're only better if the parent is a trainedNot only that, but Tom finally slips in the key >>>>>>>>>> word that underlies his motivation: "... union-run >>>>>>>>>> schools..."Hey Fool, I, again, am the MESSENGER: parents >>>>>>>>>>>> are leaving the union-run schools in aI'm simply trying to understand how yourSo homeschooling is better...So is homeschooling worse that1. How can "schools" fuck over >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids? School boards perhaps.
2. How are the school boards
supposed to have "fucked over the >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> kids", anyway?
3. How do school closings "fuck >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> over" anyone?
The teachers fucked over the kids >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by REFUSING to teach in the
classroom, forcing them to do to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> ONLINE schooling. WHY have schools >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> if you DON'T USE THEM!!!
learning in the classroom?
If so, aren't parents "fucking over" >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their own children if they switch to >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it?
No, it is BETTER than the classroom. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Think about it, what is the
teacher/student ratio in the classroom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> vs home?
...but online schooling...
...with both a teacher AND a parent is >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> worse?
Weird position to take there, Sunshine. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Perhaps you didn't really think it
through.
:-)
Boy, I am sensing the DESPERATION on your >>>>>>>>>>>>>> libtards part to justify the
unjustifiable.
brain can hold such contradictory positions. >>>>>>>>>>>>
STAMPEDE. They are the ones that are calling >>>>>>>>>>>> the shots, NOT ME!
But you're claiming that they're doing so because >>>>>>>>>>> online instruction...
Which is inherently parents homeschooling their >>>>>>>>>>> children with the assistance of professional
teachers.
...is somehow terrible... ...while plain
homeschooling is better.
All of which were completely unsolicited, and not >>>>>>>>>> an in-class exercise, right? (and why would that >>>>>>>>>> be? to teach the kids social etiquette skills?). >>>>>>>>>>BTW, no, I did not have a child in the class, >>>>>>>>>>>> FOOL. But they ALL did send me a stack of
THANKYOU cards - HAND MADE (I still have them >>>>>>>>>>>> - they are LOVELY)!
And the reason why they were hand-made was because >>>>>>>>>> they were using the school's art supply materials. >>>>>>>>>> One of my first jobs was to help haul, inventory, >>>>>>>>>> sort, & distribute precisely those supplies in
bulk, out to each teacher's classrooms.
-hh
PS: the answer on the rule of thumb is "FIVE".
You fools simply can't accept that PARENTS are BETTER >>>>>>>>> TEACHERS than these union toads.
educator.
FWIW, you've make yourself nakedly obvious that this >>>>>>>> really isn't about educational principles at all; it is >>>>>>>> merely that you've been told the you need to be
anti-Union.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, you are continuing your steady stream >>>>>>> of lies. You DON'T have to be a "trained" educator to be >>>>>>> an educator, in fact, a superior one.
Pedantically, you are correct that there are exceptions to >>>>>> the general case. But they’re not the general case. That’s
why you make fun of non-engineers.
A parent is an excellent candidate because, for starters, >>>>>>> they are highly motivated and interested in their
student(s).
Unfortunately, they’re also the ones with the highest bias. >>>>>> And just because someone is “motivated” doesn’t mean that
they’re automatically any good.
They can tailor the curriculum for the student, not
resort to the least common denominator.
First, the “LCD” factor is fear-mongering, oft out of >>>>>> ignorance: you & they don’t know how schools aggregate >>>>>> their students into performance tiers, to maximize overall >>>>>> attainment growth rates.
Also, a big weaknesses of homeschooling is that the
teacher doesn’t rotate out after a year. Topics that the >>>>>> homeschooler is weak on results in a student who’s weak >>>>>> there too. Think of how poorly a creationist bible-thumper >>>>>> will do with science, but now multiply that by however many >>>>>> years it goes on for how screwed up the kid will get in >>>>>> science, etc. TL;DR: these weaknesses snowball.
They have PLENTY of teaching resources to draw from,
Sorry, but they have materially _fewer_ resources to
leverage.
… and they can include religious instruction that public >>>>>>> schools can't.
Religion is an all too common reason why it’s done, which >>>>>> is why those kids end up being pretty fucked up out in the >>>>>> reality of society.
The results speak for themselves: home schooled students >>>>>>> excel when compared to public schooled.
https://homeeducator.com/homeschool-vs-public-school/
As if that URL doesn’t have a fundamental conflict of >>>>>> interest!
Plus what’s totally missing from their performance metrics >>>>>> is the whole social development of the child: their
environment is away from their peers, often leaving
homeschooled kids literally stunted. BT,DT.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, the results speak for themselves:
...home schooled students significantly outperform the
machine students.
Ever heard the expression "teach to the test"?
<https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teaching_to_the_test>
All you're doing is digging your own hole even deeper on
showing everyone just how little you actually know about the >>>> art & science of education.
Covid forced parents into becoming their own teachers after >>>>> the system FUCKED THEM OVER - and they found out that they >>>>> were GOOD AT IT!Substantiating citations conspicuously absent
Hence, there is a transition to home schooling like we have >>>>> never witnessed before. You can either accept that FACT, or >>>>> you can continue what you are best at: lying and deceit.Oh, there is no doubt that the CoVid pandemic resulted in
modest (<10%) shifts to greater homeschooling, but that's not >>>> proof that it is motivated by quality or anything other factor >>>> than the pandemic. It will take another ~3 years to see if the >>>> trend sticks, or reverses itself back down to traditional
norms.
As such, you'll have to hope that you die before 3-4 years have >>>> transpired to avoid the consequences of the real world data >>>> testing your still-unsupported causal claim.
LOL! The pandemic is OVER, but these parents haven't returned >>> their kids to the machine called public schools.
to June, as a midyear changeout can often mean the loss of the
grade credit, especially when the homeschooler missed taking their
state tests.
Plus regarding his "its over" claim, for during this school year, >> there's been over 340,000 Americans who have died of CoVid,
including 22,000 last month ... yes, that's a rate of roughly 30 >> deaths per hour.
Ten percent is HUGE - school districts are having to shutter
schools as a result.
No, its a 10% growth of the ~6% of the homeschooled population. As
such, it is less than one percentage point of the total education >> population, and on its own, it isn't significant enough to be
shutting down schools: that's basic population demographics on
changes in immigration & birth rates over the past 5-15 years. FYI,
a town I've lived in went through the same school district
shrinking ... way back in the 1980s, when the baby boomer bubble >> graduated out.
Clearly, not all parents want to or can be teachers, but MILLIONSOh, so now instead of them all being more competent than the
are - and VERY successfully.
trained professionals, its now a goalpost backslide where there's >> allegedly 'millions' who are 'successful'... ...for whatever
constitutes successful, since Tommy's only shown proficiency test >> scores and not all of the many other social-centric factors which >> affect the overall development of a young adult into becoming a >> productive member of society.
Again, don't argue with me - I'm just the messenger.No, you're a pissant parrot of partisan propaganda, who's agenda is
to try to sabotage all public institutions so that they can be
privatized for profit... which is precisely why only in the USA >> does insulin cost $300/vial.
-hh
My, my - the Lyin' Asshole is getting testy, is he? Any business that
had a TEN PERCENT loss of business would go, appropriately, into panic mode. This is HUGE! Closing of schools is HUGE! And, YET AGAIN,
I am only the messenger - YOU are the "pissant" libtard attempting to
protect the union status quo.'>
There hasn't BEEN a 10% loss of business, Sunshine.
Poor Tommy ... a washed-up former Engineer who can't even do the
math of what 10% of 6% is anymore.
I talked with my neighbor today, a semi-retired school teacher that
still does substitute teaching. I asked her what grade she teaches,
and she said whatever one they send her to, mostly high school. She
doesn't actually do any teaching because they are all of the students
on their laptops doing computerized instruction - she just takes attendance. Now, that doesn't take a "professional" teacher!
Riiiiiiiight.Can be true for instances of a substitute who's doing a single day fill-in
(we used to get to watch a movie) or who's assigned to watch over the Study Period room: a district does generally have discretion for where to place the subs, so a bad/weak one can go to the easier fills where they'll do less harm.
Hey Lyin' Asshole, I note that you didn't even show your NEW MATH!
The references I posted speak for themselves.
Tommy needs someone to tell him that a 10% increase on 6% equals 6.6%.
BTW, talk about being washed up, you COULDN'T EVEN FIND my publications on google scholar, a fifth grade exercise!!!
I specifically avoided doxxing you via the transposed spelling;
you're welcome.
No, Lyin' Asshole, you COULDN'T find my publications to HUMILIATE ME, you ASSHOLE!!
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