• OT: Inadvertently casting a provisional ballot gets you 5 years in pris

    From Alan@21:1/5 to All on Wed Apr 13 11:41:34 2022
    ...if you're a black woman.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Mason>

    While two white guys who DELIBERATELY voted twice get probation and 50
    hours of community service.

    <https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-ne-2020-election-voting-fraud-the-villages-pre-trial-intervention-20220413-ccfyv2u2ozdmrpxdc7ztboczym-story.html>

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  • From Tom Elam@21:1/5 to Alan on Sat Apr 23 11:09:31 2022
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 2:41:38 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    ...if you're a black woman.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Mason>

    While two white guys who DELIBERATELY voted twice get probation and 50
    hours of community service.

    <https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-ne-2020-election-voting-fraud-the-villages-pre-trial-intervention-20220413-ccfyv2u2ozdmrpxdc7ztboczym-story.html>

    You left out "Tarrant County District Attorney Sharen Wilson offered Mason and her attorneys the option of probation instead of a jail sentence or a continued legal battle, but Mason refused." And the fact that she was a convicted felon out of supervised
    probation.

    Another half-truth.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tom Elam on Sat Apr 23 21:13:08 2022
    On 2022-04-23 11:09 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 2:41:38 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    ...if you're a black woman.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Mason>

    While two white guys who DELIBERATELY voted twice get probation and 50
    hours of community service.

    <https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-ne-2020-election-voting-fraud-the-villages-pre-trial-intervention-20220413-ccfyv2u2ozdmrpxdc7ztboczym-story.html>

    You left out "Tarrant County District Attorney Sharen Wilson offered Mason and her attorneys the option of probation instead of a jail sentence or a continued legal battle, but Mason refused." And the fact that she was a convicted felon out of
    supervised probation.

    Another half-truth.

    Nope.

    Nothing I said was untrue.

    Nor does any offer she might have been made make her sentence any more appropriate.

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  • From Tom Elam@21:1/5 to Alan on Mon Apr 25 06:10:38 2022
    On Sunday, April 24, 2022 at 12:13:12 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-23 11:09 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 13, 2022 at 2:41:38 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    ...if you're a black woman.

    <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crystal_Mason>

    While two white guys who DELIBERATELY voted twice get probation and 50
    hours of community service.

    <https://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/breaking-news/os-ne-2020-election-voting-fraud-the-villages-pre-trial-intervention-20220413-ccfyv2u2ozdmrpxdc7ztboczym-story.html>

    You left out "Tarrant County District Attorney Sharen Wilson offered Mason and her attorneys the option of probation instead of a jail sentence or a continued legal battle, but Mason refused." And the fact that she was a convicted felon out of
    supervised probation.

    Another half-truth.
    Nope.

    Nothing I said was untrue.

    Nor does any offer she might have been made make her sentence any more appropriate.

    Alan, lies of omission are lies. The black woman clearly had the option of probation, a fact that you omitted. The sentence was a result of her refusing the probation option that the white guys took. Here are the rest of the facts about the Orlando case (
    which are hidden behind a pay wall in the source you cited! I had to find a different source):

    https://www.huffpost.com/entry/florida-men-villages-voter-fraud_n_6257218be4b0e97a351a206c

    "Voter fraud is a third-degree felony punishable by up to five years in prison." (Yes, 5 years, the same as the balck woman.)

    "Both men agreed to enter into a pretrial diversion program with State Attorney Bill Gladson, according to court documents obtained by HuffPost. The agreement, meant for first-time and nonviolent offenders, means they can avoid jail time if they stick to
    the requirements."

    Had the white guys not taken the diversion program option they might have gone to jail too.

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting this
    lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Tom Elam on Tue Apr 26 11:21:13 2022
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation option
    and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys agreed to their
    guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key facts you
    intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting this lie in CSMA
    and this group for all to see. Anything claim you make always needs
    to be thoroughly investigated.

    Consider another actual headline and other similar examples.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/03/voter-fraud-election-crime-sentencing-racial-disparity



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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Tom Elam on Tue Apr 26 11:16:21 2022
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation option
    and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys agreed to their
    guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key facts you
    intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting this lie in CSMA
    and this group for all to see. Anything claim you make always needs
    to be thoroughly investigated.

    You surmise that the problem is that Morgan did not plead guilty, while
    Morgan does not think she was guilty, for which there is precedent, so
    did not plead guilty and received the MAXIMUM sentence.

    It's interesting that in your version of "the headline" (wherever that
    notion arrived out of the blue from) omits the notion of guilt and
    links the 5 year MAXIMUM to the refusal to take the plea as if that
    were the only option open to the judge.

    Why was she sentenced to the MAXIMUM?

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  • From Michael P.@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Apr 26 06:23:30 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:21:15 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation option
    and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys agreed to their
    guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key facts you
    intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting this lie in CSMA
    and this group for all to see. Anything claim you make always needs
    to be thoroughly investigated.
    Consider another actual headline and other similar examples.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/03/voter-fraud-election-crime-sentencing-racial-disparity
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  • From Tom Elam@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Apr 26 11:03:41 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:16:23 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation option
    and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys agreed to their
    guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key facts you
    intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting this lie in CSMA
    and this group for all to see. Anything claim you make always needs
    to be thoroughly investigated.
    You surmise that the problem is that Morgan did not plead guilty, while Morgan does not think she was guilty, for which there is precedent, so
    did not plead guilty and received the MAXIMUM sentence.

    It's interesting that in your version of "the headline" (wherever that notion arrived out of the blue from) omits the notion of guilt and
    links the 5 year MAXIMUM to the refusal to take the plea as if that
    were the only option open to the judge.

    Why was she sentenced to the MAXIMUM?

    --
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    Amos P (transgender nymshifter)
    Jerry C. (same attention seeking nymshifter)
    Michael P. (transgender nymshifter)
    Felicity (transgender nymshifter)
    George R (transgender nymshifter)
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    Enjoy!

    May have something to do with the fact that she was just out on parole from serving 4 years for a prior tax fraud felony. In fact, given that prior jail time youi would have thought that a parole extension and maybe some community service would have been
    a logical source. Instead she chose to challenge a well-established law.

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  • From Tom Elam@21:1/5 to Bigbird on Tue Apr 26 11:26:25 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:21:15 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation option
    and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys agreed to their
    guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key facts you
    intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting this lie in CSMA
    and this group for all to see. Anything claim you make always needs
    to be thoroughly investigated.
    Consider another actual headline and other similar examples.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/03/voter-fraud-election-crime-sentencing-racial-disparity
    --
    Bozo bin
    Amos P (transgender nymshifter)
    Jerry C. (same attention seeking nymshifter)
    Michael P. (transgender nymshifter)
    Felicity (transgender nymshifter)
    George R (transgender nymshifter)
    Irving S (transgender nymshifter)
    Enjoy!

    Very similar. Blacks had prior felonies, were offered parole, refused, and went to jail. The real issue is that blacks commit more crimes per capita than other ethnic groups.

    Voting rules do not differ by color of skin. Why are they cited as confusing for blacks? Is the message that blacks are not as smart as other ethnic groups?

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tom Elam on Tue Apr 26 11:27:49 2022
    On 2022-04-26 11:03 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:16:23 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    You surmise that the problem is that Morgan did not plead guilty,
    while Morgan does not think she was guilty, for which there is
    precedent, so did not plead guilty and received the MAXIMUM
    sentence.

    It's interesting that in your version of "the headline" (wherever
    that notion arrived out of the blue from) omits the notion of guilt
    and links the 5 year MAXIMUM to the refusal to take the plea as if
    that were the only option open to the judge.

    Why was she sentenced to the MAXIMUM?

    -- Bozo bin Amos P (transgender nymshifter) Jerry C. (same
    attention seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender nymshifter)
    Felicity (transgender nymshifter) George R (transgender
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    May have something to do with the fact that she was just out on
    parole from serving 4 years for a prior tax fraud felony. In fact,
    given that prior jail time youi would have thought that a parole
    extension and maybe some community service would have been a logical
    source. Instead she chose to challenge a well-established law.


    And she never received the letter telling her she was ineligible.

    Do you not agree that people's awareness of whether or not something is
    illegal should be an element of sentencing, Liarboy?

    Both of those men, Charles F. Barnes and Jay Ketcik, would absolutely
    have known that casting more than one ballot was illegal, agreed?

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue Apr 26 21:40:41 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:27:53 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 11:03 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:16:23 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    You surmise that the problem is that Morgan did not plead guilty,
    while Morgan does not think she was guilty, for which there is
    precedent, so did not plead guilty and received the MAXIMUM
    sentence.

    It's interesting that in your version of "the headline" (wherever
    that notion arrived out of the blue from) omits the notion of guilt
    and links the 5 year MAXIMUM to the refusal to take the plea as if
    that were the only option open to the judge.

    Why was she sentenced to the MAXIMUM?

    -- Bozo bin Amos P (transgender nymshifter) Jerry C. (same
    attention seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender nymshifter)
    Felicity (transgender nymshifter) George R (transgender
    nymshifter) Irving S (transgender nymshifter) Enjoy!

    May have something to do with the fact that she was just out on
    parole from serving 4 years for a prior tax fraud felony. In fact,
    given that prior jail time youi would have thought that a parole
    extension and maybe some community service would have been a logical source. Instead she chose to challenge a well-established law.
    And she never received the letter telling her she was ineligible.

    Do you not agree that people's awareness of whether or not something is illegal should be an element of sentencing, Liarboy?

    Both of those men, Charles F. Barnes and Jay Ketcik, would absolutely
    have known that casting more than one ballot was illegal, agreed?

    Hey Fool, you claimed that there was NO voter fraud in 2020 - this is proof positive. She IS a felon that committed another crime. Trying to argue that someone else got a lesser sentence for a similar crime just DOESN'T PASS MUSTER, Fool. This doesn't
    even work if NO ONE else has ever been tried for the same crime!

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to TomS on Wed Apr 27 00:30:50 2022
    On 2022-04-26 9:40 p.m., TomS wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 11:27:53 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 11:03 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:16:23 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting
    key facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be
    posting this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see.
    Anything claim you make always needs to be thoroughly
    investigated.
    You surmise that the problem is that Morgan did not plead
    guilty, while Morgan does not think she was guilty, for which
    there is precedent, so did not plead guilty and received the
    MAXIMUM sentence.

    It's interesting that in your version of "the headline"
    (wherever that notion arrived out of the blue from) omits the
    notion of guilt and links the 5 year MAXIMUM to the refusal to
    take the plea as if that were the only option open to the
    judge.

    Why was she sentenced to the MAXIMUM?

    -- Bozo bin Amos P (transgender nymshifter) Jerry C. (same
    attention seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender
    nymshifter) Felicity (transgender nymshifter) George R
    (transgender nymshifter) Irving S (transgender nymshifter)
    Enjoy!

    May have something to do with the fact that she was just out on
    parole from serving 4 years for a prior tax fraud felony. In
    fact, given that prior jail time youi would have thought that a
    parole extension and maybe some community service would have been
    a logical source. Instead she chose to challenge a
    well-established law.
    And she never received the letter telling her she was ineligible.

    Do you not agree that people's awareness of whether or not
    something is illegal should be an element of sentencing, Liarboy?

    Both of those men, Charles F. Barnes and Jay Ketcik, would
    absolutely have known that casting more than one ballot was
    illegal, agreed?

    Hey Fool, you claimed that there was NO voter fraud in 2020 - this is
    proof positive. She IS a felon that committed another crime. Trying
    to argue that someone else got a lesser sentence for a similar crime
    just DOESN'T PASS MUSTER, Fool. This doesn't even work if NO ONE else
    has ever been tried for the same crime!


    I never made any such claim.

    And her vote was cast provisionally.

    She acted out of ignorance.

    The Trump voters acted deliberately.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Tom Elam on Wed Apr 27 13:12:07 2022
    Tom Elam wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:16:23 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    You surmise that the problem is that Morgan did not plead guilty,
    while Morgan does not think she was guilty, for which there is
    precedent, so did not plead guilty and received the MAXIMUM
    sentence.

    It's interesting that in your version of "the headline" (wherever
    that notion arrived out of the blue from) omits the notion of guilt
    and links the 5 year MAXIMUM to the refusal to take the plea as if
    that were the only option open to the judge.

    Why was she sentenced to the MAXIMUM?


    May have something to do with the fact that she was just out on
    parole from serving 4 years for a prior tax fraud felony. In fact,
    given that prior jail time youi would have thought that a parole
    extension and maybe some community service would have been a logical
    source. Instead she chose to challenge a well-established law.

    So having read up on the case you, as an average white republican,
    think 5 years was an appropriate sentence.

    You're making my case for me.

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  • From Bigbird@21:1/5 to Tom Elam on Wed Apr 27 13:24:18 2022
    Tom Elam wrote:

    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:21:15 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    Consider another actual headline and other similar examples.


    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/03/voter-fraud-election-crime-sentencing-racial-disparity
    --
    Bozo bin
    Amos P (transgender nymshifter)
    Jerry C. (same attention seeking nymshifter)
    Michael P. (transgender nymshifter)
    Felicity (transgender nymshifter)
    George R (transgender nymshifter)
    Irving S (transgender nymshifter)
    Enjoy!

    Very similar. Blacks had prior felonies, were offered parole,
    refused, and went to jail. The real issue is that blacks commit more
    crimes per capita than other ethnic groups.

    Voting rules do not differ by color of skin. Why are they cited as
    confusing for blacks? Is the message that blacks are not as smart as
    other ethnic groups?

    Said like a white republican.

    You read the precedent that applied to the white man but still decided
    the blacks were guilty of the greater crime.

    You did not consider whether the sentences were appropriate beyond the
    colour of their skin. Whether intent was even relevant.

    Indeed you left all of that out of your rant... and have chosen to
    ignore it and not address either issue.. leaving you a hypocrite for
    your criticisms of Baker's misleading and/or misrepresention in his
    post.

    There are bound to be omissions in such posts and you can tell a lot by
    what people choose to leave out.

    I see who you are; it's in black and white.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tom Elam on Wed Apr 27 13:56:55 2022
    On 2022-04-26 11:26 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:21:15 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    Consider another actual headline and other similar examples.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/03/voter-fraud-election-crime-sentencing-racial-disparity


    --
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    seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender nymshifter) Felicity
    (transgender nymshifter) George R (transgender nymshifter) Irving S
    (transgender nymshifter) Enjoy!

    Very similar. Blacks had prior felonies, were offered parole,
    refused, and went to jail. The real issue is that blacks commit more
    crimes per capita than other ethnic groups.


    So you're a bigot in addition to being a liar.

    I'm not surprised.

    Voting rules do not differ by color of skin. Why are they cited as
    confusing for blacks? Is the message that blacks are not as smart as
    other ethnic groups?

    But the sentencing rules DO appear to change with the colour of
    someone's skin, LiarBigot.

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  • From Tom Elam@21:1/5 to Alan on Sun May 1 11:45:31 2022
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 2:27:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 11:03 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:16:23 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    You surmise that the problem is that Morgan did not plead guilty,
    while Morgan does not think she was guilty, for which there is
    precedent, so did not plead guilty and received the MAXIMUM
    sentence.

    It's interesting that in your version of "the headline" (wherever
    that notion arrived out of the blue from) omits the notion of guilt
    and links the 5 year MAXIMUM to the refusal to take the plea as if
    that were the only option open to the judge.

    Why was she sentenced to the MAXIMUM?

    -- Bozo bin Amos P (transgender nymshifter) Jerry C. (same
    attention seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender nymshifter)
    Felicity (transgender nymshifter) George R (transgender
    nymshifter) Irving S (transgender nymshifter) Enjoy!

    May have something to do with the fact that she was just out on
    parole from serving 4 years for a prior tax fraud felony. In fact,
    given that prior jail time youi would have thought that a parole
    extension and maybe some community service would have been a logical source. Instead she chose to challenge a well-established law.
    And she never received the letter telling her she was ineligible.

    Do you not agree that people's awareness of whether or not something is illegal should be an element of sentencing, Liarboy?

    Both of those men, Charles F. Barnes and Jay Ketcik, would absolutely
    have known that casting more than one ballot was illegal, agreed?

    You don't get a letter. She showed up at the voting location on election day and find out there. Then, having it explained to her that she was not eligible to vote she tried to vote anyway. The ONLY way a provisional is cast is if the voter tries to vote
    after being told he or she is not elegible. Then generally the next day, the voter has to go to the local couthouse and explain why they cast a provisdional and present proof that they are entitled to vote. She did that, and kept insisting that her vote
    be counted after finding out it was not legal.

    I know, I am in charge of a local voting location. I know how this works.

    Snopes explains the facts and legal differences and comes to the conclusion below when comparing a similar Pennsyvania case to Mason's:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/crystal-mason-bruce-bartman/

    "Clearly, Mason’s punishment — five years in prison — was more severe than Bartman’s — five years’ probation. Several possible reasons exist for those disparate outcomes, but from the outset, it should be noted that we have found no evidence
    to suggest that the difference in the race of the two defendants played a role. Similarly, evidence is lacking to indicate that other differences, such as gender — Bartman is male and Mason is female — could have had an effect."

    Differences included criminal history, different voter fraud felony classifications and different sentencing guidlines. Once she decided to go to trial Mason gave up probation as an option. She could have been sentenced to 20 years.

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  • From Tom Elam@21:1/5 to Tom Elam on Sun May 1 13:47:43 2022
    On Sunday, May 1, 2022 at 2:45:32 PM UTC-4, Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 2:27:53 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 11:03 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:16:23 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    You surmise that the problem is that Morgan did not plead guilty,
    while Morgan does not think she was guilty, for which there is
    precedent, so did not plead guilty and received the MAXIMUM
    sentence.

    It's interesting that in your version of "the headline" (wherever
    that notion arrived out of the blue from) omits the notion of guilt
    and links the 5 year MAXIMUM to the refusal to take the plea as if
    that were the only option open to the judge.

    Why was she sentenced to the MAXIMUM?

    -- Bozo bin Amos P (transgender nymshifter) Jerry C. (same
    attention seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender nymshifter)
    Felicity (transgender nymshifter) George R (transgender
    nymshifter) Irving S (transgender nymshifter) Enjoy!

    May have something to do with the fact that she was just out on
    parole from serving 4 years for a prior tax fraud felony. In fact,
    given that prior jail time youi would have thought that a parole extension and maybe some community service would have been a logical source. Instead she chose to challenge a well-established law.
    And she never received the letter telling her she was ineligible.

    Do you not agree that people's awareness of whether or not something is illegal should be an element of sentencing, Liarboy?

    Both of those men, Charles F. Barnes and Jay Ketcik, would absolutely
    have known that casting more than one ballot was illegal, agreed?
    You don't get a letter. She showed up at the voting location on election day and find out there. Then, having it explained to her that she was not eligible to vote she tried to vote anyway. The ONLY way a provisional is cast is if the voter tries to
    vote after being told he or she is not elegible. Then generally the next day, the voter has to go to the local couthouse and explain why they cast a provisdional and present proof that they are entitled to vote. She did that, and kept insisting that her
    vote be counted after finding out it was not legal.

    I know, I am in charge of a local voting location. I know how this works.

    Snopes explains the facts and legal differences and comes to the conclusion below when comparing a similar Pennsyvania case to Mason's:

    https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/crystal-mason-bruce-bartman/

    "Clearly, Mason’s punishment — five years in prison — was more severe than Bartman’s — five years’ probation. Several possible reasons exist for those disparate outcomes, but from the outset, it should be noted that we have found no
    evidence to suggest that the difference in the race of the two defendants played a role. Similarly, evidence is lacking to indicate that other differences, such as gender — Bartman is male and Mason is female — could have had an effect."

    Differences included criminal history, different voter fraud felony classifications and different sentencing guidlines. Once she decided to go to trial Mason gave up probation as an option. She could have been sentenced to 20 years.

    Sorry for all the grammer and spelling issues!

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  • From Tom Elam@21:1/5 to Alan on Tue May 3 04:22:00 2022
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:57:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 11:26 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:21:15 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    Consider another actual headline and other similar examples.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/03/voter-fraud-election-crime-sentencing-racial-disparity


    --
    Bozo bin Amos P (transgender nymshifter) Jerry C. (same attention
    seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender nymshifter) Felicity
    (transgender nymshifter) George R (transgender nymshifter) Irving S
    (transgender nymshifter) Enjoy!

    Very similar. Blacks had prior felonies, were offered parole,
    refused, and went to jail. The real issue is that blacks commit more
    crimes per capita than other ethnic groups.

    So you're a bigot in addition to being a liar.

    I'm not surprised.
    Voting rules do not differ by color of skin. Why are they cited as confusing for blacks? Is the message that blacks are not as smart as
    other ethnic groups?
    But the sentencing rules DO appear to change with the colour of
    someone's skin, LiarBigot.

    You apparently have nothing else to say after Snopes could not find evidence of skin color or sex discrimination in this case.

    You need to check all the facts, not just parrot other's narratives.

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  • From Alan@21:1/5 to Tom Elam on Tue May 3 08:14:38 2022
    On 2022-05-03 4:22 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:57:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 11:26 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:21:15 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    Consider another actual headline and other similar examples.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/03/voter-fraud-election-crime-sentencing-racial-disparity


    --
    Bozo bin Amos P (transgender nymshifter) Jerry C. (same attention
    seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender nymshifter) Felicity
    (transgender nymshifter) George R (transgender nymshifter) Irving S
    (transgender nymshifter) Enjoy!

    Very similar. Blacks had prior felonies, were offered parole,
    refused, and went to jail. The real issue is that blacks commit more
    crimes per capita than other ethnic groups.

    So you're a bigot in addition to being a liar.

    I'm not surprised.
    Voting rules do not differ by color of skin. Why are they cited as
    confusing for blacks? Is the message that blacks are not as smart as
    other ethnic groups?
    But the sentencing rules DO appear to change with the colour of
    someone's skin, LiarBigot.

    You apparently have nothing else to say after Snopes could not find evidence of skin color or sex discrimination in this case.

    You need to check all the facts, not just parrot other's narratives.

    Suddenly you trust Snopes, do you?

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  • From Tom Elam@21:1/5 to Alan on Wed May 4 06:00:02 2022
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:14:40 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-05-03 4:22 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:57:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 11:26 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:21:15 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    Consider another actual headline and other similar examples.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/03/voter-fraud-election-crime-sentencing-racial-disparity


    --
    Bozo bin Amos P (transgender nymshifter) Jerry C. (same attention
    seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender nymshifter) Felicity
    (transgender nymshifter) George R (transgender nymshifter) Irving S
    (transgender nymshifter) Enjoy!

    Very similar. Blacks had prior felonies, were offered parole,
    refused, and went to jail. The real issue is that blacks commit more
    crimes per capita than other ethnic groups.

    So you're a bigot in addition to being a liar.

    I'm not surprised.
    Voting rules do not differ by color of skin. Why are they cited as
    confusing for blacks? Is the message that blacks are not as smart as
    other ethnic groups?
    But the sentencing rules DO appear to change with the colour of
    someone's skin, LiarBigot.

    You apparently have nothing else to say after Snopes could not find evidence of skin color or sex discrimination in this case.

    You need to check all the facts, not just parrot other's narratives.
    Suddenly you trust Snopes, do you?

    Is that the best you have, questioning credibility in the face of facts???? I find them credible, yes. Find a post where I question Snopes.

    Please refute with facts about the case in question. Otherwise you are a lying bigot.

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  • From TomS@21:1/5 to thomas...@gmail.com on Wed May 4 21:37:55 2022
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 6:00:04 AM UTC-7, thomas...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:14:40 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-05-03 4:22 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:57:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 11:26 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:21:15 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key
    facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting
    this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim
    you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    Consider another actual headline and other similar examples.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/03/voter-fraud-election-crime-sentencing-racial-disparity


    --
    Bozo bin Amos P (transgender nymshifter) Jerry C. (same attention
    seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender nymshifter) Felicity
    (transgender nymshifter) George R (transgender nymshifter) Irving S >>>> (transgender nymshifter) Enjoy!

    Very similar. Blacks had prior felonies, were offered parole,
    refused, and went to jail. The real issue is that blacks commit more >>> crimes per capita than other ethnic groups.

    So you're a bigot in addition to being a liar.

    I'm not surprised.
    Voting rules do not differ by color of skin. Why are they cited as
    confusing for blacks? Is the message that blacks are not as smart as >>> other ethnic groups?
    But the sentencing rules DO appear to change with the colour of
    someone's skin, LiarBigot.

    You apparently have nothing else to say after Snopes could not find evidence of skin color or sex discrimination in this case.

    You need to check all the facts, not just parrot other's narratives.
    Suddenly you trust Snopes, do you?
    Is that the best you have, questioning credibility in the face of facts???? I find them credible, yes. Find a post where I question Snopes.

    Please refute with facts about the case in question. Otherwise you are a lying bigot.

    The Fool isn't interested in the facts, just his extreme political ideology.

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  • From Tom Elam@21:1/5 to TomS on Fri May 6 06:16:10 2022
    On Thursday, May 5, 2022 at 12:37:57 AM UTC-4, TomS wrote:
    On Wednesday, May 4, 2022 at 6:00:04 AM UTC-7, thomas...@gmail.com wrote:
    On Tuesday, May 3, 2022 at 11:14:40 AM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-05-03 4:22 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Wednesday, April 27, 2022 at 4:57:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
    On 2022-04-26 11:26 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
    On Tuesday, April 26, 2022 at 7:21:15 AM UTC-4, Bigbird wrote:
    Tom Elam wrote:

    The headline should have been "Black woman refuses probation
    option and gets 5 year sentence as a result. Two white guys
    agreed to their guilt and did not go to jail." By omitting key >>>>> facts you intentionally distorted the story. I will be posting >>>>> this lie in CSMA and this group for all to see. Anything claim >>>>> you make always needs to be thoroughly investigated.
    Consider another actual headline and other similar examples.

    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2022/mar/03/voter-fraud-election-crime-sentencing-racial-disparity


    --
    Bozo bin Amos P (transgender nymshifter) Jerry C. (same attention >>>> seeking nymshifter) Michael P. (transgender nymshifter) Felicity >>>> (transgender nymshifter) George R (transgender nymshifter) Irving S >>>> (transgender nymshifter) Enjoy!

    Very similar. Blacks had prior felonies, were offered parole,
    refused, and went to jail. The real issue is that blacks commit more >>> crimes per capita than other ethnic groups.

    So you're a bigot in addition to being a liar.

    I'm not surprised.
    Voting rules do not differ by color of skin. Why are they cited as >>> confusing for blacks? Is the message that blacks are not as smart as >>> other ethnic groups?
    But the sentencing rules DO appear to change with the colour of
    someone's skin, LiarBigot.

    You apparently have nothing else to say after Snopes could not find evidence of skin color or sex discrimination in this case.

    You need to check all the facts, not just parrot other's narratives.
    Suddenly you trust Snopes, do you?
    Is that the best you have, questioning credibility in the face of facts???? I find them credible, yes. Find a post where I question Snopes.

    Please refute with facts about the case in question. Otherwise you are a lying bigot.
    The Fool isn't interested in the facts, just his extreme political ideology.

    Actually, the subject matter is immaterial. Alan is simply unable to admit any fault of his own. So when he starts a narrative, even a deeply flawed one, he can never admit that the narrative is false. It's narcissism in the extreme. When confronted with
    facts, no matter what the source, that he cannot refute he turns to calling you a liar and this thread a bigot. After all, you cannot be truthful if you disagree with Alan Baker!

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