'Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up
as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a
shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are
actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have
been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,'
<https://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-police-lieutenant-says-cops-were-reluctant-to-engage-gunman-because-they-couldve-been-shot/>
And they actively handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who tried to do
the job they were too scared to do.
BTW, the "tactical team" that showed up was from the Border Patrol...
...even though the Uvalde Police have their own SWAT team...
...who apparently only exist to post to Facebook.
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook>
'Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of
policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.'
<https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/>
'Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up
as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a
shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are
actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have
been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,'
<https://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-police-lieutenant-says-cops-were-reluctant-to-engage-gunman-because-they-couldve-been-shot/>
And they actively handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who tried to do
the job they were too scared to do.
BTW, the "tactical team" that showed up was from the Border Patrol...
...even though the Uvalde Police have their own SWAT team...
...who apparently only exist to post to Facebook.
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook>
'Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of
policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.'
<https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/>
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 11:10:00 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
'Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up
as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a
shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,'
<https://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-police-lieutenant-says-cops-were-reluctant-to-engage-gunman-because-they-couldve-been-shot/>
And they actively handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who tried to do the job they were too scared to do.
BTW, the "tactical team" that showed up was from the Border Patrol...
...even though the Uvalde Police have their own SWAT team...
...who apparently only exist to post to Facebook.
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook>
'Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of
policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.'
<https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/>
It is unknown at this time whether or not Uvalde SWAT team members
were present at the school. The chances are very good that at least some
of them were there given the small size of the Uvalde police force.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/unclear-if-uvalde-swat-team-responded-to-texas-school-shooting/
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:12:27 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 11:10:00 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
'Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a
shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,'
<https://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-police-lieutenant-says-cops-were-reluctant-to-engage-gunman-because-they-couldve-been-shot/>
And they actively handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who tried to do the job they were too scared to do.
BTW, the "tactical team" that showed up was from the Border Patrol...
...even though the Uvalde Police have their own SWAT team...
...who apparently only exist to post to Facebook.
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook>
'Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.'
<https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/>
It is unknown at this time whether or not Uvalde SWAT team members
were present at the school. The chances are very good that at least some of them were there given the small size of the Uvalde police force.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/unclear-if-uvalde-swat-team-responded-to-texas-school-shooting/It literally does not matter, because the training directs responding police to immediately enter and engage the active shooter, even if they have zero tactical gear and are solo.
Uvalde police force failed with 100% certainty.
-hh
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:12:27 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 11:10:00 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
'Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The
officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a
shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have
been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,'
<https://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-police-lieutenant-says-cops-were-reluctant-to-engage-gunman-because-they-couldve-been-shot/>
And they actively handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who tried to do
the job they were too scared to do.
BTW, the "tactical team" that showed up was from the Border Patrol...
...even though the Uvalde Police have their own SWAT team...
...who apparently only exist to post to Facebook.
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook>
'Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.'
<https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/>
It is unknown at this time whether or not Uvalde SWAT team members
were present at the school. The chances are very good that at least some of them were there given the small size of the Uvalde police force.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/unclear-if-uvalde-swat-team-responded-to-texas-school-shooting/It literally does not matter, because the training directs responding police
to immediately enter and engage the active shooter, even if they have zero tactical gear and are solo.
Uvalde police force failed with 100% certainty.
-hhRight, according to the Lyin' Asshole …
…who was present at Uvalde from the start
of the massacre. Yeah, it does matter if they were acting as a team or not.
There certainly was time for them to do so. The bottom line is that making judgments at this early stage is fraught with errors. What we do know is that the police were on scene just two minutes after the first shots were fired by Ramos inside the school. Two officers were hit by gunfire from Ramos while they were in the hallway.
Apparently, Ramos locked the door to the classroom, preventing entry by
the officers (these are steel doors and casings that you don't kick in like in the movies).
It took another 1:15 (?!) to get a set of keys from a janitor to unlock the door
and enter the classroom, where Ramos was killed.
The on-scene commander made the wrong decision that there weren't
students in imminent danger. His error in judgment DOES NOT reflect
on the actions of the other officers.
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:12:27 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 11:10:00 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
'Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard
gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The
officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up
as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a
shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have
been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,'
<https://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-police-lieutenant-says-cops-were-reluctant-to-engage-gunman-because-they-couldve-been-shot/>
And they actively handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who tried to do
the job they were too scared to do.
BTW, the "tactical team" that showed up was from the Border Patrol...
...even though the Uvalde Police have their own SWAT team...
...who apparently only exist to post to Facebook.
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook>
'Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.'
<https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/>
It is unknown at this time whether or not Uvalde SWAT team members were present at the school. The chances are very good that at least some
of them were there given the small size of the Uvalde police force.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/unclear-if-uvalde-swat-team-responded-to-texas-school-shooting/It literally does not matter, because the training directs responding police
to immediately enter and engage the active shooter, even if they have zero
tactical gear and are solo.
Uvalde police force failed with 100% certainty.
-hhRight, according to the Lyin' Asshole …
Translation: Tommy displays his bad habit of denigrating others.
…who was present at Uvalde from the startNot according to the training textbook.
of the massacre. Yeah, it does matter if they were acting as a team or not.
There certainly was time for them to do so. The bottom line is that making judgments at this early stage is fraught with errors. What we do know is that the police were on scene just two minutes after the first shots were fired by Ramos inside the school. Two officers were hit by gunfire from Ramos while they were in the hallway.For active shooter, control force is supposed to *maintain* contact and engagement, even when they’re hit. Period.
Apparently, Ramos locked the door to the classroom, preventing entry by the officers (these are steel doors and casings that you don't kick in like in the movies).No, you use 12ga breaching rounds, which are part of LEO kit, and since they’d had
prior training just two months prior, a barrier issue should have been discovered.
It took another 1:15 (?!) to get a set of keys from a janitor to unlock the doorWhere firemen would also get through such a door in a minute.
and enter the classroom, where Ramos was killed.
The on-scene commander made the wrong decision that there weren'tHas he resigned yet?
students in imminent danger. His error in judgment DOES NOT reflect
on the actions of the other officers.
-hh
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 6:54:28 PM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 7:33:51 PM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 10:53:28 AM UTC-7, -hh wrote:
On Sunday, May 29, 2022 at 11:12:27 AM UTC-5, TomS wrote:
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 11:10:00 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
'Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard
gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The
officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up
as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a
shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are
actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have
been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,'
<https://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-police-lieutenant-says-cops-were-reluctant-to-engage-gunman-because-they-couldve-been-shot/>
And they actively handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who tried to do
the job they were too scared to do.
BTW, the "tactical team" that showed up was from the Border Patrol...
...even though the Uvalde Police have their own SWAT team...
...who apparently only exist to post to Facebook.
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook>
'Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.'
<https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/>
It is unknown at this time whether or not Uvalde SWAT team members were present at the school. The chances are very good that at least some
of them were there given the small size of the Uvalde police force.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/unclear-if-uvalde-swat-team-responded-to-texas-school-shooting/It literally does not matter, because the training directs responding police
to immediately enter and engage the active shooter, even if they have zero
tactical gear and are solo.
Uvalde police force failed with 100% certainty.
-hhRight, according to the Lyin' Asshole …
Translation: Tommy displays his bad habit of denigrating others.
No, I have pointed out your NUMEROUS LIES, you asshole.
…who was present at Uvalde from the start
of the massacre. Yeah, it does matter if they were acting as a team or not.
Not according to the training textbook.
There certainly was time for them to do so. The bottom line is that making
judgments at this early stage is fraught with errors. What we do know is that the police were on scene just two minutes after the first shots were
fired by Ramos inside the school. Two officers were hit by gunfire from Ramos while they were in the hallway.
For active shooter, control force is supposed to *maintain* contact and engagement, even when they’re hit. Period.
"Supposed?" And your reference is???
Ramos was behind a locked door to which they didn't have a key -
HOW are they SUPPOSED to maintain contact?
Apparently, Ramos locked the door to the classroom, preventing entry by the officers (these are steel doors and casings that you don't kick in like in the movies).
No, you use 12ga breaching rounds, which are part of LEO kit, and since they’d had
prior training just two months prior, a barrier issue should have been discovered.
And did they have breaching rounds, you idiot? If so, cite your source.
It took another 1:15 (?!) to get a set of keys from a janitor to unlock the door
and enter the classroom, where Ramos was killed.
Where firemen would also get through such a door in a minute.
Firemen WEREN'T on the scene, idiot.
And they wouldn't have had the key either.
This is a complete breakdown of BASIC SCHOOL SECURITY, not dereliction of duty by the cops.
The on-scene commander made the wrong decision that there weren't students in imminent danger. His error in judgment DOES NOT reflect
on the actions of the other officers.
Has he resigned yet?
You tell me, Mister Know It All.
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 11:10:00 AM UTC-7, Alan wrote:
'Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard
gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The
officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up
as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a
shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are
actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have
been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,'
<https://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-police-lieutenant-says-cops-were-reluctant-to-engage-gunman-because-they-couldve-been-shot/>
And they actively handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who tried to do
the job they were too scared to do.
BTW, the "tactical team" that showed up was from the Border Patrol...
...even though the Uvalde Police have their own SWAT team...
...who apparently only exist to post to Facebook.
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook>
'Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of
policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.'
<https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/>
It is unknown at this time whether or not Uvalde SWAT team members were present at the school. The chances are very good that at least some of them were there given the small size of the Uvalde police force.
https://nypost.com/2022/05/28/unclear-if-uvalde-swat-team-responded-to-texas-school-shooting/
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 2:10:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
'Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard
gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The
officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up
as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a
shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are
actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have
been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,'
<https://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-police-lieutenant-says-cops-were-reluctant-to-engage-gunman-because-they-couldve-been-shot/>
And they actively handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who tried to do
the job they were too scared to do.
BTW, the "tactical team" that showed up was from the Border Patrol...
...even though the Uvalde Police have their own SWAT team...
...who apparently only exist to post to Facebook.
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook>
'Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of
policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.'
<https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/>
Unforgivable.
On 2022-05-29 4:51 a.m., Tom Elam wrote:
On Friday, May 27, 2022 at 2:10:00 PM UTC-4, Alan wrote:
'Olivarez said officers were inside the school quickly, and they heard
gunfire when they arrived. They called for reinforcements, he said. The >> officers in the building waited for a special tactical team to show up
as they isolated the shooter to one classroom.
“Don’t current best practices, don’t they call for officers to disable a
shooter as quickly as possible, regardless of how many officers are
actually on site?” Blitzer asked him.
Olivarez said the officers who arrived at the school quickly might have >> been shot had they attempted to take out the gunman alone. He said,'
<https://www.mediaite.com/tv/texas-police-lieutenant-says-cops-were-reluctant-to-engage-gunman-because-they-couldve-been-shot/>
And they actively handcuffed and pepper-sprayed parents who tried to do >> the job they were too scared to do.
BTW, the "tactical team" that showed up was from the Border Patrol...
...even though the Uvalde Police have their own SWAT team...
...who apparently only exist to post to Facebook.
<https://www.vice.com/en/article/wxdwgn/uvalde-swat-team-bragged-about-training-at-schools-on-facebook>
'Uvalde Police Didn’t Move to Save Lives Because That’s Not What Police Do
It should not take an event so devastating to break the spell of
policing mythology about what cops do — and what they don’t.'
<https://theintercept.com/2022/05/27/uvalde-texas-shooting-police-law-enforcement/>
Unforgivable.Yes.
Thank you.
But it is also a lesson:
The police used to be there "to serve and protect"...
...now, they are not.
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