• "hominin"

    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 15 11:36:01 2021
    All so-called"scientific" PA papers with the word "hominin" should be rejected, or "hominin" should be replaced by "hominind" (sensu Homo, Pan, Gorilla + fossil relatives):
    the word "hominin" presupposes everything that is "bipedal", but most likely all hominids (possibly all hominoids - hylobatids are still predom."upright") had "bipedal" (upright, vertical) ancestors, not for running over savannas (how ridiculous can you
    be?), but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead.

    Apes differ drastically from monkeys:
    - body weight often x 10 or more
    - spine centrally in the body, not dorsally
    - very broad build: sternum, thorax, pelvis
    - limbs aside of the body, not ventrally
    - tail loss (incorporated into pelvic bottom)

    Monkeys are typical arboreal mammals.
    Apes became different: 30-20 Ma:
    google "aquarboreal".

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Wed Sep 15 19:58:03 2021
    On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:36:02 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    All so-called"scientific" PA papers with the word "hominin" should be rejected, or "hominin" should be replaced by "hominind" (sensu Homo, Pan, Gorilla + fossil relatives):
    the word "hominin" presupposes everything that is "bipedal", but most likely all hominids (possibly all hominoids - hylobatids are still predom."upright") had "bipedal" (upright, vertical) ancestors, not for running over savannas (how ridiculous can
    you be?), but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead.

    Apes differ drastically from monkeys:
    - body weight often x 10 or more
    - spine centrally in the body, not dorsally
    - very broad build: sternum, thorax, pelvis
    - limbs aside of the body, not ventrally
    - tail loss (incorporated into pelvic bottom)

    Monkeys are typical arboreal mammals.
    Apes became different: 30-20 Ma:
    google "aquarboreal".

    Gibbons and humans have chins.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to daud.deden@gmail.com on Thu Sep 16 14:53:46 2021
    On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 19:58:03 -0700 (PDT), "DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud.deden@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:36:02 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    All so-called"scientific" PA papers with the word "hominin" should be rejected, or "hominin" should be replaced by "hominind" (sensu Homo, Pan, Gorilla + fossil relatives):
    the word "hominin" presupposes everything that is "bipedal", but most likely all hominids (possibly all hominoids - hylobatids are still predom."upright") had "bipedal" (upright, vertical) ancestors, not for running over savannas (how ridiculous can
    you be?), but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead.

    Apes differ drastically from monkeys:
    - body weight often x 10 or more
    - spine centrally in the body, not dorsally
    - very broad build: sternum, thorax, pelvis
    - limbs aside of the body, not ventrally
    - tail loss (incorporated into pelvic bottom)

    Monkeys are typical arboreal mammals.
    Apes became different: 30-20 Ma:
    google "aquarboreal".

    Gibbons and humans have chins.

    Compare: http://eskeletons.org/sites/eskeletons.org/files//image/orientation/gibbon_skull_mandible_Lateral_0.jpg
    http://eskeletons.org/sites/eskeletons.org/files//image/orientation/chimpanzee_skull_mandible_Lateral_0.jpg
    http://eskeletons.org/sites/eskeletons.org/files//image/orientation/human_skull_mandible_Lateral_1.jpg

    See also: <https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-human-chin-revisited%3A-what-is-it-and-who-has-it-Schwartz-Tattersall/66635def87ed050f2a5f9901f2b3831e94765c3c>

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Pandora on Thu Sep 16 06:47:12 2021
    On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-4, Pandora wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 19:58:03 -0700 (PDT), "DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:36:02 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    All so-called"scientific" PA papers with the word "hominin" should be rejected, or "hominin" should be replaced by "hominind" (sensu Homo, Pan, Gorilla + fossil relatives):
    the word "hominin" presupposes everything that is "bipedal", but most likely all hominids (possibly all hominoids - hylobatids are still predom."upright") had "bipedal" (upright, vertical) ancestors, not for running over savannas (how ridiculous can
    you be?), but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead.

    Apes differ drastically from monkeys:
    - body weight often x 10 or more
    - spine centrally in the body, not dorsally
    - very broad build: sternum, thorax, pelvis
    - limbs aside of the body, not ventrally
    - tail loss (incorporated into pelvic bottom)

    Monkeys are typical arboreal mammals.
    Apes became different: 30-20 Ma:
    google "aquarboreal".

    Gibbons and humans have chins.
    Compare: http://eskeletons.org/sites/eskeletons.org/files//image/orientation/gibbon_skull_mandible_Lateral_0.jpg
    http://eskeletons.org/sites/eskeletons.org/files//image/orientation/chimpanzee_skull_mandible_Lateral_0.jpg
    http://eskeletons.org/sites/eskeletons.org/files//image/orientation/human_skull_mandible_Lateral_1.jpg

    See also: <https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-human-chin-revisited%3A-what-is-it-and-who-has-it-Schwartz-Tattersall/66635def87ed050f2a5f9901f2b3831e94765c3c>

    I should have said: Most modern humans, many elephantids (eg. mastodons), and some hylobatids have chins.

    Do your photos include data: age, sex, locale?

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to Pandora on Thu Sep 16 06:49:31 2021
    On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 8:53:48 AM UTC-4, Pandora wrote:
    On Wed, 15 Sep 2021 19:58:03 -0700 (PDT), "DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud....@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Wednesday, September 15, 2021 at 2:36:02 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    All so-called"scientific" PA papers with the word "hominin" should be rejected, or "hominin" should be replaced by "hominind" (sensu Homo, Pan, Gorilla + fossil relatives):
    the word "hominin" presupposes everything that is "bipedal", but most likely all hominids (possibly all hominoids - hylobatids are still predom."upright") had "bipedal" (upright, vertical) ancestors, not for running over savannas (how ridiculous can
    you be?), but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead.

    Apes differ drastically from monkeys:
    - body weight often x 10 or more
    - spine centrally in the body, not dorsally
    - very broad build: sternum, thorax, pelvis
    - limbs aside of the body, not ventrally
    - tail loss (incorporated into pelvic bottom)

    Monkeys are typical arboreal mammals.
    Apes became different: 30-20 Ma:
    google "aquarboreal".

    Gibbons and humans have chins.
    Compare: http://eskeletons.org/sites/eskeletons.org/files//image/orientation/gibbon_skull_mandible_Lateral_0.jpg
    http://eskeletons.org/sites/eskeletons.org/files//image/orientation/chimpanzee_skull_mandible_Lateral_0.jpg
    http://eskeletons.org/sites/eskeletons.org/files//image/orientation/human_skull_mandible_Lateral_1.jpg

    See also: <https://www.semanticscholar.org/paper/The-human-chin-revisited%3A-what-is-it-and-who-has-it-Schwartz-Tattersall/66635def87ed050f2a5f9901f2b3831e94765c3c>

    Male orangutans at adult can develop face flanges or not, does that effect face bone form?

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 16 06:20:17 2021
    Op donderdag 16 september 2021 om 04:58:04 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    All so-called"scientific" PA papers with the word "hominin" should be rejected, or "hominin" should be replaced by "hominind" (sensu Homo, Pan, Gorilla + fossil relatives):
    the word "hominin" presupposes everything that is "bipedal", but most likely all hominids (possibly all hominoids - hylobatids are still predom."upright") had "bipedal" (upright, vertical) ancestors, not for running over savannas (how ridiculous can
    you be?), but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead.
    Apes differ drastically from monkeys:
    - body weight often x 10 or more
    - spine centrally in the body, not dorsally
    - very broad build: sternum, thorax, pelvis
    - limbs aside of the body, not ventrally
    - tail loss (incorporated into pelvic bottom)
    Monkeys are typical arboreal mammals.
    Apes became different: 30-20 Ma:
    google "aquarboreal".

    Gibbons and humans have chins.

    Yes, my litle boy, gibbons are "hominin".

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Thu Sep 16 06:50:40 2021
    On Thursday, September 16, 2021 at 9:20:18 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op donderdag 16 september 2021 om 04:58:04 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:
    All so-called"scientific" PA papers with the word "hominin" should be rejected, or "hominin" should be replaced by "hominind" (sensu Homo, Pan, Gorilla + fossil relatives):
    the word "hominin" presupposes everything that is "bipedal", but most likely all hominids (possibly all hominoids - hylobatids are still predom."upright") had "bipedal" (upright, vertical) ancestors, not for running over savannas (how ridiculous
    can you be?), but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead.
    Apes differ drastically from monkeys:
    - body weight often x 10 or more
    - spine centrally in the body, not dorsally
    - very broad build: sternum, thorax, pelvis
    - limbs aside of the body, not ventrally
    - tail loss (incorporated into pelvic bottom)
    Monkeys are typical arboreal mammals.
    Apes became different: 30-20 Ma:
    google "aquarboreal".

    Gibbons and humans have chins.
    Yes, my litle boy, gibbons are "hominin".
    Wading gibbons??

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Sep 16 08:56:26 2021
    Op donderdag 16 september 2021 om 15:50:41 UTC+2 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:

    All so-called"scientific" PA papers with the word "hominin" should be rejected, or "hominin" should be replaced by "hominind" (sensu Homo, Pan, Gorilla + fossil relatives): the word "hominin" presupposes everything that is "bipedal", but most
    likely all hominids (possibly all hominoids - hylobatids are still predom."upright") had "bipedal" (upright, vertical) ancestors, not for running over savannas (how ridiculous can you be?), but simply for wading upright & climbing arms overhead.
    Apes differ drastically from monkeys:
    - body weight often x 10 or more
    - spine centrally in the body, not dorsally
    - very broad build: sternum, thorax, pelvis
    - limbs aside of the body, not ventrally
    - tail loss (incorporated into pelvic bottom)
    Monkeys are typical arboreal mammals. Apes became different: 30-20 Ma: google "aquarboreal".

    Gibbons and humans have chins.

    Yes, my litle boy, gibbons are "hominin".

    Wading gibbons??

    ???
    "Hominins" don't wade, =y little little boy.

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