https://youtu.be/Aa6zCMY6Apk
And I love the description of the cave itself! Someone
would need to be deprived of oxygen in order to think
that Naledi were making round trips, in total
darkness, and dragging a dead body with them in one
direction...
Australopithecus naledi.
https://youtu.be/Aa6zCMY6Apk
So it shares lots of traits with australopithecus, it's
brain is actually smaller than habilis -- they describe
it as overlapping the SMALLEST of habilis -- but it's
unambiguously Homo????
And I love the description of the cave itself! Someone
would need to be deprived of oxygen in order to think
that Naledi were making round trips, in total
darkness, and dragging a dead body with them in one
direction...
Australopithecus naledi.
How appropriate then, because only a bird brain would believe that
Naledi was burying it's dead...
Is this thing even real? Or is it just a fantasy grafted on to the exact
same monkey fossils they were finding in a different cave WITHOUT
modern human brains & intentional burials?
Discoverers of the hominid naledi fossils (300-250 ka, Gauteng, southern Africa, first described in 2015) anthropocentrically assume that naledi
1) belonged to the genus Homo,
2) buried their dead in caves,
3) were tool makers,
4) ran over African plains.
Comparative anatomy shows these assumptions to be wrong,
False: they do not suggest that there was any
running over African plains.
When discovered facts conflict with long-held
theories, you have a choice:
A) Abandon or mdify your theories;
B) Ignore the facts.
There is not one lick of support for an intentional burial.
How else did they (including infants) get there?
. .How else did they (including infants) get there?
Wait. So living animals can carry/drag dead ones
but it's impossible to get in without a dead body?. .
You're not discussing this, you're looking to invent obstacles.. .
How else did they (including infants) get there?
Wait. So living animals can carry/drag dead ones
Of course they can -- especially if the dead
body is tied onto a 'bier' -- a framework of
long sticks and short cross-pieces.
No idea what you are on about here. They
had little trouble getting in and out
Paul Crowley wrote:
Lol!Wait. So living animals can carry/drag dead onesOf course they can -- especially if the dead
body is tied onto a 'bier' -- a framework of
long sticks and short cross-pieces.
These things are so primitive they immediately concluded
they were more than 2 million years old, apparently basing
their estimates on their estimates for Sediba, THAT'S HOW
RIDICULOUSLY PRIMITIVE THEY ARE! But you've got them
weaving rope, building MAGICAL wooden frames which
can squeeze & turn in spaces that are difficult for the smallest
humans, and they did all this because they just about NEVER
buried their dead, but had to go through this bother for the
tiniest fraction of the population.... BUT UNENCUMBERED
INDIVIDUALS COULD NOT POSSIBLY MAD THE TRIP, GOT
STUCK & DIED.
Look. They followed the cool, moist air into the darkest
bowels of the cave, searching for water, and then got
trapped & died.
They lacked light, didn't even have fire, no ropes... no way
of communicating beyond ear shot, and what's to say that
they even had speech?
It was the roach motel: Naledi went in but they didn't go out.
It's also possible that a pre adult stupidly wandered into the
darkness, causing one or more adult to run in after it. That
didn't have to happen very often to account for the body
of individuals found... not over a 100,000 year period.
No idea what you are on about here. TheyThere's literally ZERO evidence for any of them having so much
had little trouble getting in and out
as ONCE getting out.
Try it with humans. Take away everything -- lights, ropes,
cameras & communications, and tell them to reach a specific
point, deep into a chamber, leave a marker and then come
back.
-- --They were not seeking water, but a shaded cool rest area. Water leaves a scent which animals can smell, fauna would have entered and died there seeking the water. Fauna seeking cool shade would have stopped just after entering, but hominoids seek larger
https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/681310560493699072
They were not seeking water, but a shaded cool rest area.
Water leaves a scent which animals can smell, fauna would have entered and died there seeking the water.
DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
They were not seeking water, but a shaded cool rest area.Problem is, they were shaded & cooled long before they got THAT deep
into the cave, and died.
Water leaves a scent which animals can smell, fauna would have entered and died there seeking the water.Speaking of water, I have no idea what is in the water in your parts to consistently look at the the word "air" and think you just read the word "Water."
"Moist air." The word moist is an adjective, and an adjective describes
a noun. What is moist? THE FUCKING AIR!
So for the last time will you PLEASE take your meds, learn rudimentary English, getting some reading comprehension and STOP with the
idiocy?
Thanks in advance.
-- --
https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/681475087810052096
Solution is they liked to be together while chilling out
. .Wait. So living animals can carry/drag dead ones
Of course they can -- especially if the dead. .
body is tied onto a 'bier' -- a framework of
long sticks and short cross-pieces.
Lol!
. .
These things are so primitive they immediately concluded
they were more than 2 million years old, apparently basing
their estimates on their estimates for Sediba, THAT'S HOW
RIDICULOUSLY PRIMITIVE THEY ARE! But you've got them
weaving rope,
building MAGICAL wooden frames
which can squeeze & turn in spaces that are difficult for the
smallest humans,
and they did all this because they just about NEVER buried
their dead, but had to go through this bother for the tiniest
fraction of the population....
BUT UNENCUMBERED INDIVIDUALS COULD NOT POSSIBLY
MAD THE TRIP, GOT STUCK & DIED.
Look. They followed the cool, moist air into the darkest
bowels of the cave, searching for water, and then got
trapped & died.
They lacked light, didn't even have fire, no ropes... no way
of communicating beyond ear shot, and what's to say that
they even had speech?
It's also possible that a pre adult stupidly wandered into the
darkness, causing one or more adult to run in after it.
No idea what you are on about here. They. .
had little trouble getting in and out
There's literally ZERO evidence for any of them having so
much as ONCE getting out.
Try it with humans. Take away everything -- lights, ropes,
cameras & communications, and tell them to reach a specific
point, deep into a chamber, leave a marker and then come
back.
DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves wrote:
Solution is they liked to be together while chilling outThere's 16 known individuals for a period encompassing over 100,000
years. "They" can not be characterized in any such way.
I'm arguing exception: They would not attempt such a thing except
maybe individuals under extraordinary circumstances.
Morons, on the other hand, "argue" a rule: THEY, and this characterizes
the whole population of not the species, buried their dead! That's why there's almost none. Or they habitually huddled in caves like this, only
they clearly didn't."
Do you see the problem? there are precious few individuals, given the
time span identified. This can't be a "Rule." Whatever put them there
was an exception. It was not something that characterized them, it
was not a defining characteristic of the population.
This is basic even rudimentary stuff. You're supposed to be speaking
of a viable breeding population over a span of 100,000 years AT LEAST,
just for this one place. They're supposed to actually trace their origins back MILLIONS of years. Yet you have LESS THAN 20 individuals
accounted for.
STOP arguing some "Rule" when it couldn't be more obviously an
exception if it peed down your leg.
-- --Rule?
https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/681309289092153344
Your conception of early hominins is childish
H.naledi was small.
H.naledi was small.
My boy, it was not even Homo:
google "Pan or Australopithecus naledi PPT"
. .Your conception of early hominins is childish. .
"There's your problem right there, lady."
. .
What they are telling you jives with what you like to imagine about
early hominins, even though it doesn't, so you cling to it like a
drowning man to a life preserver.
So every claim has both enumerated & unenumerated components.. .
I mean, less than 20 individuals? Over what they claim is a span of. .
100,000 years or more?
They didn't bury their dead, "Burying their dead" can not be a behavior. .
that characterizes this species at all, there just aren't enough,
and none what so ever elsewhere,. .
so we know for a fact that they didn't bury their dead.. .
No, the unenumerated portion of their claim, your claim, is that these "Burials" are not a rule but an exception. They don't fit the picture of. .
the species. They are unusual. Uncommon. Rare.
"So they buried their dead, but almost never!". .
Why? Why say that?
The obvious answer is that they weren't burying their dead.. .
This animal which was so goddamn primitive, by their own. .
descriptions, that it must've been over 2 million years old did NOT
perform the only African prepared burials in HUNDREDS OF
THOUSANDS OF YEARS!
You need to state what it was that early
hominins had that allowed them to survive
and prosper
So every claim has both enumerated & unenumerated components.. .
All claims here are about those bodies.
most of them in a tiny remote chamber in
deep dark chamber that is (and was) very
hard to access.
I mean, less than 20 individuals? Over what they claim is a span of
100,000 years or more?
False.
You need to state what it was that early
hominins had that allowed them to survive
and prosper
Why? Because if I don't then they went extinct?
And when you say "Early" what do you mean by "Early?"
How early? When?
most of them in a tiny remote chamber in
deep dark chamber that is (and was) very
hard to access.
I assumed that you wanted to develop an
viable theory of human evolution.
And when you say "Early" what do you mean by "Early?"
How early? When?
As early as you can manage.
I gather that
you believe the chimp/homo common
ancestor grew wings.
On Sunday 17 April 2022 at 13:30:30 UTC+1, I Envy JTEM wrote:Poli Crap vs Jermy
You need to state what it was that early
hominins had that allowed them to survive
and prosper
Why? Because if I don't then they went extinct?I assumed that you wanted to develop an
viable theory of human evolution. (That's
why others take part in this ng). But I
accept that -- in your case -- I got that
wrong.
And when you say "Early" what do you mean by "Early?"
How early? When?As early as you can manage. I gather that
you believe the chimp/homo common
ancestor grew wings. And that chimps
lost theirs and then went into the forest.
Or something like that. So you can start
with the wing loss and from the chimp/
homo split.
No attempt to explain this finding.most of them in a tiny remote chamber in
deep dark chamber that is (and was) very
hard to access.
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