Just watched an interesting video taking about
lead pollution. Apparently humans have been
artificially elevating the amount of lead in the
environment since the neolithic, as copper
smelting was still technically "Stone Age"
technology...
So lead makes people dumber and more violent.
DISCLAIMER:
When they showed a graph of the lead humans
have been pumping into our environment is pretty
much matched the Gwobull Warbling "Hockey Stick."
You know, the "Hockey Stick" showing CO2 was
increasing so much...
At the same time, there is a very recent and very large
plunge in the lead pollution.
The United States started requiring Catalytic Converters
on cars starting, when? Like 1975? And you can't use
leaded fuel on cars with catalytic converters.
The EU still doesn't require catalytic converters, if you
were wondering...
Anyway, lead does negatively impact I.Q.s. And there's
quite a bit more of it in the environment thanks to human
efforts.
As far as I know, EU has all those things: https://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/ENVISSUENo12/page032.html
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
As far as I know, EU has all those things:
https://www.eea.europa.eu/publications/ENVISSUENo12/page032.html
I said the catalytic converter‘s have been mandatory in the United States Since the 1970s, and that they’re not required by the EU even today.
Your cite says less than half the car in the EU have catalytic converters.
There is no obvious contradiction.
Well. It does claim they have been required since 1993 - 29 years ago! -
But we both know that more than half of European cars are NOT
30 years old or older, so “required” clearly means something other
Than required.
Remember when Volkswagen baked their emissions? It wasn’t
Just Volkswagen, and it was American testing that revealed
What the EU was doing.
I don't deny that USA is the best. I just know that we have technical
test every year, for every car, and that emissions are measured on that
test, and that you have to pass that test.
Now, how exactly all
this works, I have no idea. People buy car, those cars need to pass the
test, and that's it. From your writing it sounds like we are in Stone
Ages, no, we aren't, here it is something similar to USA.
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
I don't deny that USA is the best. I just know that we have technical
test every year, for every car, and that emissions are measured on that
test, and that you have to pass that test.
It's a balancing act: Energy conservation vs health (environmental) concerns.
Europe has always been better at conservation, but they've often done
it at a great cost to the environment/public health. The United States
has never been warm to conservation, but has been the world leader
in mandatory emissions controls, starting in the 1960s.
Diesels have sold well in Europe, still do, because they tend to be
much more fuel efficient. But they also pollute a lot more.
Now, how exactly all
this works, I have no idea. People buy car, those cars need to pass the
test, and that's it. From your writing it sounds like we are in Stone
Ages, no, we aren't, here it is something similar to USA.
The EU is where the U.S. was at in the 1980s, emissions wise.
There's definitely competing sets of priorities, where Priority-1 for Europe is conservation and Priority-1 in the United States has been emissions, at least since the 1960s.
On 26.4.2022. 22:06, I Envy JTEM wrote:
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
I don't deny that USA is the best. I just know that we have technical
test every year, for every car, and that emissions are measured on that
test, and that you have to pass that test.
It's a balancing act: Energy conservation vs health (environmental)
concerns.
Europe has always been better at conservation, but they've often done
it at a great cost to the environment/public health. The United States
has never been warm to conservation, but has been the world leader
in mandatory emissions controls, starting in the 1960s.
Diesels have sold well in Europe, still do, because they tend to be
much more fuel efficient. But they also pollute a lot more.
Now, how exactly all
this works, I have no idea. People buy car, those cars need to pass the
test, and that's it. From your writing it sounds like we are in Stone
Ages, no, we aren't, here it is something similar to USA.
The EU is where the U.S. was at in the 1980s, emissions wise.
There's definitely competing sets of priorities, where Priority-1 for
Europe
is conservation and Priority-1 in the United States has been
emissions, at
least since the 1960s.
Well, I am really not at the level to discuss this, but, diesel
cars today are banned from city centers, in a lot of towns in Europe, I believe.
The other thing is that you must include in your calculations that USA shifts all their goods on diesel trucks, while Europe is doing
it by the way of electrified railroad.
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Oh, not to mention public transport, which is almost non-existent in
the USA.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_MBTA
Our electric buses started in 1936:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trolleybuses_in_Greater_Boston
Here you need car for two things, if your kids are ill, to transfer
them quickly to hospital, or to go to vacation. Everything else is
faster done with public transport. In USA you need car for absolutely
everything, and you drive long distances.
Public transportation is unreliable here. They try real hard to FORCE
people to use it, but they don't try very hard to make it something anyone
in their right mind would ever want to use...
Like in recent years they've narrowed roads, inventing traffic gridlock, and created "Bus Only" lanes. The idea is that buses can glide on down the
street while the cars are stuck in traffic. And that sounds great only the government is at war with the unions that the drivers belong to, the equipment is purchased by corrupt politicians and not public transport experts, they can't keep anything running much less running on schedule
AND they raise prices at the drop of a hat.
Well, I am really not at the level to discuss this, but, diesel cars
today are banned from city centers, in a lot of towns in Europe, I believe. The other thing is that you must include in your calculations that USA
shifts all their goods on diesel trucks, while Europe is doing it by the
way of electrified railroad.
Mario Petrinovic wrote:
Well, I am really not at the level to discuss this, but, diesel cars
today are banned from city centers, in a lot of towns in Europe, I believe. >> The other thing is that you must include in your calculations that USA
shifts all their goods on diesel trucks, while Europe is doing it by the
way of electrified railroad.
Diesels can't meet emissions in most states. You can buy a diesel truck
but not a car.
Electricity isn't free. You make it with fuel, and coal is a popular fuel for that. The EU pretends it doesn't but they never hesitated to burn coal whenever they needed it, usually in the winter.
In this country the 1% are ordering everyone to believe that natural gas
is the dirtiest fuel in existence... in order to increase exports to ungrateful
"Friends." Personally I think we should just turn it into a motor fuel then export our coal...
Oh, not to mention public transport, which is almost non-existent in
the USA.
Here you need car for two things, if your kids are ill, to transfer
them quickly to hospital, or to go to vacation. Everything else is
faster done with public transport. In USA you need car for absolutely everything, and you drive long distances.
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