• Why arguments against Aquatic Ape are stupid

    From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to C. H. Engelbrecht on Wed Sep 1 00:11:41 2021
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 23. august 2021 kl. 06.49.50 UTC+2 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Two words: Coastal Dispersal

    That isn't being aquatic.

    No, it's being semiaquatic, like hippos and sea otters.

    Quadrupeds.

    Remains are found FAR inland, FAR from the coast.

    In regions that were a flooded archipelago at the time, e.g. the Afar Depression, which is why they even fossilized, so we can find them today. A creature like Sahelanthropus only fossilized at its today dry location, because Lake Chad was 250 times
    bigger than it is today.


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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Wed Sep 1 00:11:11 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    ...

    Remains are found FAR inland, FAR from the coast.

    :-DDD
    Only complete idiots believe there are no rivers.
    And have never heard of plate tectonics.
    Etc.etc.
    e.g.
    Petralona (now 300 m ASL) was 700 ka at sea-level.

    Only complete idiots talk before informing.
    Google
    -aquarboreal (our TREE paper)
    -coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT


    Hominoid & human evolution schematically:
    1) Mio-Pliocene aquarboreal hominoids,
    2) early-Pleistocene littoral archaic Homo (so-called AAT),
    3) late-Pleistocene wading + walking on land.


    Still no snorkel noses.

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  • From C. H. Engelbrecht@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 04:19:10 2021
    onsdag den 1. september 2021 kl. 08.11.43 UTC+2 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    mandag den 23. august 2021 kl. 06.49.50 UTC+2 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    I Envy JTEM wrote:
    Two words: Coastal Dispersal

    That isn't being aquatic.

    No, it's being semiaquatic, like hippos and sea otters.

    Quadrupeds.

    Because they aren't a brachiating ape that became semiaquatic. Our even earlier ancestors hanging from branches is the reason we alone became bipedal in shallow water.

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  • From C. H. Engelbrecht@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 05:16:28 2021
    onsdag den 1. september 2021 kl. 08.11.12 UTC+2 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    ...

    Remains are found FAR inland, FAR from the coast.

    :-DDD
    Only complete idiots believe there are no rivers.
    And have never heard of plate tectonics.
    Etc.etc.
    e.g.
    Petralona (now 300 m ASL) was 700 ka at sea-level.

    Only complete idiots talk before informing.
    Google
    -aquarboreal (our TREE paper)
    -coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT


    Hominoid & human evolution schematically:
    1) Mio-Pliocene aquarboreal hominoids,
    2) early-Pleistocene littoral archaic Homo (so-called AAT),
    3) late-Pleistocene wading + walking on land.

    Still no snorkel noses.

    "Arguing with stupid people is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon will just knock the pieces over, shit on the board, and strut around like it's won the game."

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 1 14:41:00 2021
    Op woensdag 1 september 2021 om 14:16:29 UTC+2 schreef C. H. Engelbrecht:


    Remains are found FAR inland, FAR from the coast.

    :-DDD Only complete idiots believe there are no rivers.
    And have never heard of plate tectonics.
    Etc.etc. e.g.
    Petralona (now 300 m ASL) was 700 ka at sea-level.

    Google
    -aquarboreal (our TREE paper)
    -coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT

    Hominoid & human evolution schematically:
    1) Mio-Pliocene aquarboreal hominoids,
    2) early-Pleistocene littoral archaic Homo (so-called AAT),
    3) late-Pleistocene wading + walking on land.


    Still no snorkel noses.

    OI, BIG NOSE !
    New Scientist 2782 p 69 Lastword 16 October 2010

    Why do humans evolve external noses that don’t seem to serve any useful purpose – our smelling sensors are inside the head. Our nose is vulnerable to damage, and the majority of primates and other mammals manage with relatively flat faces.
    Traditional explanations are that the nose protects against dry air, hot air, cold air, dusty air, whatever air, but most savannah mammals have no external noses, and polar animals such as arctic foxes or hares tend to evolve shorter extremities
    including flatter noses (Allen’s Rule), not larger as the Neanderthal protruding nose.

    The answer isn’t so difficult if we simply consider humans like other mammals.

    An external nose is seen in elephant seals, hooded seals, tapirs, elephants, swine and, among primates, in the mangrove-dwelling proboscis monkeys. Various, often mutually compatible functions, have been proposed, such as sexual display (in male hooded
    and elephant seals or proboscis monkeys), manipulation of food (in elephants, tapirs and swine), a snorkel (elephants, proboscis monkeys) and as a nose-closing aid during diving (in most of these animals). These mammals spend a lot of time at the margins
    of land and water. Possible functions of an external nose in creatures evolving into aquatic ones are obvious and match those listed above in many cases. They can initially act as a nose closure, a snorkel, to keep water out, to dig in wet soil for food,
    and so on. Afterwards, these external noses can also become co-opted for other functions, such as sexual display (visual as well as auditory) in hooded and elephant seals and proboscis monkeys.

    But what does this have to do with human evolution?

    The earliest known Homo fossils outside Africa – such as those at Mojokerto in Java and Dmanisi in Georgia – are about 1.8 million years old. The easiest way for them to have spread to other continents, and to islands such as Java, is along the
    coasts, and from there inland along rivers. During the glacial periods of the Pleistocene – the ice age cycles that ran from about 1.8 million to 12,000 years ago – most coasts were about 100 metres below the present-day sea level, so we don’t know
    whether or when Homo populations lived there. But coasts and riversides are full of shellfish and other foods that are easily collected and digested by smart, handy and tool-using “apes”, and are rich in potential brain-boosting nutrients such as
    docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).

    If Pleistocene Homo spread along the coasts, beachcombing, wading and diving for seafoods as Polynesian islanders still do, this could explain why Homo erectus evolved larger brains (aided by DHA) and larger noses (because of their part-time diving).
    This littoral intermezzo could help to explain not only why we like to have our holidays at tropical beaches, eating shrimps and coconuts, but also why we became fat and furless bipeds with long legs, flat feet, large brains and big noses.



    "Arguing with stupid people is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon will just knock the pieces over, shit on the board, and strut around like it's won the game."

    Yes, Chris, we're wasting our time with these antelope-runners.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sat Sep 4 22:25:41 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op woensdag 1 september 2021 om 14:16:29 UTC+2 schreef C. H. Engelbrecht:


    Remains are found FAR inland, FAR from the coast.

    :-DDD Only complete idiots believe there are no rivers.
    And have never heard of plate tectonics.
    Etc.etc. e.g.
    Petralona (now 300 m ASL) was 700 ka at sea-level.

    Google
    -aquarboreal (our TREE paper)
    -coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT

    Hominoid & human evolution schematically:
    1) Mio-Pliocene aquarboreal hominoids,
    2) early-Pleistocene littoral archaic Homo (so-called AAT),
    3) late-Pleistocene wading + walking on land.


    Still no snorkel noses.

    OI, BIG NOSE !

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/21245757_Aquatic_Ape_Theory_and_fossil_hominids
    AQUATIC APE THEORY AND FOSSIL HOMINIDS
    M. J. B. VERHAEGEN Medical Hypotheses 35: 108-114 (1991)

    "In a Neandertal swimming on his back, the large nose with distal nostrils
    and the protruding midface surrounded by large air sinuses functioned as a snorkel."

    That's the just-so fantasy land of AA - nostrils on the end of the nose.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to C. H. Engelbrecht on Sat Sep 4 22:25:07 2021
    C. H. Engelbrecht wrote:
    onsdag den 1. september 2021 kl. 08.11.12 UTC+2 skrev Primum Sapienti:
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    ...
    Remains are found FAR inland, FAR from the coast.

    :-DDD
    Only complete idiots believe there are no rivers.
    And have never heard of plate tectonics.
    Etc.etc.
    e.g.
    Petralona (now 300 m ASL) was 700 ka at sea-level.

    Only complete idiots talk before informing.
    Google
    -aquarboreal (our TREE paper)
    -coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo PPT

    Hominoid & human evolution schematically:
    1) Mio-Pliocene aquarboreal hominoids,
    2) early-Pleistocene littoral archaic Homo (so-called AAT),
    3) late-Pleistocene wading + walking on land.

    Still no snorkel noses.

    "Arguing with stupid people is like playing chess with a pigeon. No matter how good you are at chess, the pigeon will just knock the pieces over, shit on the board, and strut around like it's won the game."

    https://www.researchgate.net/publication/21245757_Aquatic_Ape_Theory_and_fossil_hominids
    AQUATIC APE THEORY AND FOSSIL HOMINIDS
    M. J. B. VERHAEGEN Medical Hypotheses 35: 108-114 (1991)

    "In a Neandertal swimming on his back, the large nose with distal nostrils
    and the protruding midface surrounded by large air sinuses functioned as a snorkel."

    That's the pigeon fantasy land of AA - nostrils on the end of the nose.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 6 16:10:41 2021
    AQUATIC APE THEORY AND FOSSIL HOMINIDS
    M. J. B. VERHAEGEN Medical Hypotheses 35: 108-114 (1991)
    "In a Neandertal swimming on his back, the large nose with distal nostrils and the protruding midface surrounded by large air sinuses functioned as a snorkel."

    Some idiot who
    - doesn't understand the word "distal",
    - refuses to inform a little bit (ref.55 in that article),
    - fantasises that we evolved ext.noses to run after antelopes,
    believes:

    That's the just-so fantasy land of AA - nostrils on the end of the nose.


    Keep running & stick your head into the sand.
    Only complete idiots believe we evolved external noses to run after antelopes.

    OI, BIG NOSE !
    New Scientist 2782 p 69 Lastword 16 October 2010

    Why do humans evolve external noses that don’t seem to serve any useful purpose – our smelling sensors are inside the head. Our nose is vulnerable to damage, and the majority of primates and other mammals manage with relatively flat faces.
    Traditional explanations are that the nose protects against dry air, hot air, cold air, dusty air, whatever air, but most savannah mammals have no external noses, and polar animals such as arctic foxes or hares tend to evolve shorter extremities
    including flatter noses (Allen’s Rule), not larger as the Neanderthal protruding nose.

    The answer isn’t so difficult if we simply consider humans like other mammals.

    An external nose is seen in elephant seals, hooded seals, tapirs, elephants, swine and, among primates, in the mangrove-dwelling proboscis monkeys. Various, often mutually compatible functions, have been proposed, such as sexual display (in male hooded
    and elephant seals or proboscis monkeys), manipulation of food (in elephants, tapirs and swine), a snorkel (elephants, proboscis monkeys) and as a nose-closing aid during diving (in most of these animals). These mammals spend a lot of time at the margins
    of land and water. Possible functions of an external nose in creatures evolving into aquatic ones are obvious and match those listed above in many cases. They can initially act as a nose closure, a snorkel, to keep water out, to dig in wet soil for food,
    and so on. Afterwards, these external noses can also become co-opted for other functions, such as sexual display (visual as well as auditory) in hooded and elephant seals and proboscis monkeys.

    But what does this have to do with human evolution?

    The earliest known Homo fossils outside Africa – such as those at Mojokerto in Java and Dmanisi in Georgia – are about 1.8 million years old. The easiest way for them to have spread to other continents, and to islands such as Java, is along the
    coasts, and from there inland along rivers. During the glacial periods of the Pleistocene – the ice age cycles that ran from about 1.8 million to 12,000 years ago – most coasts were about 100 metres below the present-day sea level, so we don’t know
    whether or when Homo populations lived there. But coasts and riversides are full of shellfish and other foods that are easily collected and digested by smart, handy and tool-using “apes”, and are rich in potential brain-boosting nutrients such as
    docosahexaenoic acid (DHA).

    If Pleistocene Homo spread along the coasts, beachcombing, wading and diving for seafoods as Polynesian islanders still do, this could explain why Homo erectus evolved larger brains (aided by DHA) and larger noses (because of their part-time diving).
    This littoral intermezzo could help to explain not only why we like to have our holidays at tropical beaches, eating shrimps and coconuts, but also why we became fat and furless bipeds with long legs, flat feet, large brains and big noses.

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