• H.erectus milieu 1.4 Ma

    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Nov 26 23:11:53 2022
    Palaeoenvironmental setting of Mojokerto Homo erectus, the palynological expressions of Pleistocene marine deltas, open grasslands and volcanic mountains in East Java
    Morley RJ, Morley HP, Zaim Y, Huffman OF 2020
    Journal of Biogeography 47 doi 10.1111/jbi.13770

    -To determine the vegetation & landscape experienced by H.erectus populations which first inhabited Java.
    -Perning, near Mojokerto, the 1936 discovery locality of a fossil child's skull widely attributed to H.erectus, and laterally equivalent sediments at Jetis.
    -Terrestrial, mangrove & aquatic plants.

    A comprehensive suite of samples was collected at close spacing through a coastal sedimentary succession, analysed concurrently for its depositional origins.
    The section traversed particularly informative marine, delta front & delta plain deposits, incl. the bone-bed in which the H.erectus was discovered.
    Rich palynomorph recovery indicative of mangroves was obtained in the mud‐dominated marine Mollusk Member II, at the base of the analysed section.
    The overlying deltaic strata are characterized by grass pollen & phytoliths, while still retaining mangrove & wetland signals in key-samples near the level of the H.erectus bed.
    The vertical stratigraphic series of facies in the Perning & adjacent Jetis sections indicates a landscape with 4 potential Homo habitats:
    - muddy deltas with widespread Nypa swamps,
    - a poorly vegetated sandy delta,
    - extensive open savanna grasslands in the lowlands up river of the delta,
    - volcanoes in the upper reaches of the catchment with perhumid montane podocarp & broad‐leaf forests & probable open fire‐climax Casuarina junghuhniana forest.
    Palynological data support an Early-Pleistocene geological age for Mojokerto H.erectus at c 1.43 Ma.

    ...

    Concl.

    A comprehensive palynological sample set was made through the Mollusc Member II & Perning Delta Lobe stratigraphic succession, in collaboration with a sedimentological evaluation of the section (Huffman & Zaim 2003).
    The Mojokerto H.erectus child skull had been discovered in 1936 from a bed within the studied sequence:
    the palynological record reported here provides an unparalleled perspective of the habitat, vegetation & landscape, prior to & during the time that this particular hominin group lived in E.Java.
    The new data allow judgement on the age of the skull, which has long been considered the oldest fossil of the species known from Java (e.g. O’Connell & DeSilva,2013): c 1.43 Ma, based on consideration of deposition in relation to MIS cycles.
    With the youngest ages reported for the mid-Pleistocene (Indriati cs 2011), H.erectus thus occupied Java for c 1 My.
    4 major potential hominin habitats were present in the region during the time of known H.erectus occupation.
    The most widespread was an open savanna grassland with few trees.
    Vegetation of this kind indicates: the climate was strongly seasonal, with a long dry season with minor amounts of rain.
    Rainfall in the drainage basin would have been sufficient however to maintain permanent moist swamps along rivers & on the upper delta plain, where marshes with abundant pteridophytes & swamp forests were present.
    2 types of small-scale coastal deltas are indicated in the Mollusc Member II & Perning Delta Lobe:
    1) was mud-dominated, and Nypa swamps were widespread in these deltas during times of progradation. This occurred landward of the Perning locality.
    2) The other delta type had sand-dominated progradations, and the delta plain bore limited mangroves, which were dominated by Avicennia.
    Active volcanoes in the upper catchment bore perhumid forests with
    - upper montane forest dominated by podocarps &
    - lower montane forest with broad-leaf trees.
    Below this, open fire-climax C.junghuhniana forest was probably widespread. Based on the palynological record at Perning, the climate regime inferred from the Perning palynological study was
    - similar to that of the islands of East Nusa Tenggara today (Fig.1a),
    - drier & cooler than the current E.Java climate.
    The Perning Early-Pleistocene environment would have provided rich plant & other life-sustaining food resources for the first H.erectus which dispersed to Java.
    Preliminary observations on phytoliths suggest:
    comprehensive phytolith analysis is likely to significantly clarify palaeo-vegetation interpretation at hominid sites across E.Java.

    :-)

    Beautiful illustrations.

    Only incredible imbeciles believe their Pleistocene ancestors ran after antelopes.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sun Nov 27 10:52:24 2022
    On Sat, 26 Nov 2022 23:11:53 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Palaeoenvironmental setting of Mojokerto Homo erectus, the palynological expressions of Pleistocene marine deltas, open grasslands and volcanic mountains in East Java
    Morley RJ, Morley HP, Zaim Y, Huffman OF 2020
    Journal of Biogeography 47 doi 10.1111/jbi.13770

    Concl.

    4 major potential hominin habitats were present in the region during the time of known H.erectus occupation.

    Well, well, well. What have we here?

    The most widespread was an open savanna grassland with few trees.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 04:14:19 2022
    Palaeoenvironmental setting of Mojokerto Homo erectus, the palynological expressions of Pleistocene marine deltas, open grasslands and volcanic mountains in East Java - Morley RJ, Morley HP, Zaim Y, Huffman OF 2020 Journal of Biogeography 47 doi 10.
    1111/jbi.13770
    ... > >Concl. ... 4 major potential hominin habitats were present in the region during the time of known H.erectus occupation.

    Kudu runner:

    Well, well, well. What have we here? The most widespread was an open savanna grassland with few trees.

    Have a look at the maps, my little little boy, and grow up.
    Only incredible idiots believe thair Pleist.ancestors ran after antelopes.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sun Nov 27 16:01:04 2022
    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 04:14:19 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:


    Palaeoenvironmental setting of Mojokerto Homo erectus, the palynological expressions of Pleistocene marine deltas, open grasslands and volcanic mountains in East Java - Morley RJ, Morley HP, Zaim Y, Huffman OF 2020 Journal of Biogeography 47 doi 10.
    1111/jbi.13770
    ... > >Concl. ... 4 major potential hominin habitats were present in the region during the time of known H.erectus occupation.

    Kudu runner:

    Well, well, well. What have we here? The most widespread was an open savanna grassland with few trees.

    Have a look at the maps.

    Yes, have a look at fig. 7.2 and 8 of the Perning Delta in Morley et
    al.. The most widespread terrestrial habitat is grassland/savanna.
    The hominid site is located in the upper delta plain, outside the
    brackish limit, about equidistant to grassland/savanna and beach.
    A diverse tropical habitat with rich pickings from terrestrial,
    freshwater and marine environments. It may have exploited all.

    "Fossils recovered by excavations in the relocated discovery sandstone
    include Panthera tigris, Proboscidea, Sus sp., Hexaprotodon
    sivalensis, Axis lydekkiri, Rusa sp., Duboisia santeng, large-bodied
    Bovidae, Crocodilus sp., Gavialis sp., Trionyx sp., Siluridae, and
    fresh-water mollusks" (Huffman et al. 2006).

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Nov 27 07:09:10 2022
    kudu runner:

    freshwater and marine environments. It may have exploited all.

    Yes, why not??? Did I say they couldn't???

    The point is, my little boy:
    our brain needs LC-PUFAs
    H.erectus had POS
    Pleist.Homo colonised Flores
    shell engravings: Joordens, Munro etc.
    stone tools
    etc.etc.


    Waste your own time: keep running after your antelope!

    "Fossils recovered by excavations in the relocated discovery sandstone include Panthera tigris, Proboscidea, Sus sp., Hexaprotodon
    sivalensis, Axis lydekkiri, Rusa sp., Duboisia santeng, large-bodied
    Bovidae, Crocodilus sp., Gavialis sp., Trionyx sp., Siluridae, and fresh-water mollusks" (Huffman et al. 2006).

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Mon Nov 28 15:29:47 2022
    On Sun, 27 Nov 2022 07:09:10 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    kudu runner:

    freshwater and marine environments. It may have exploited all.

    Yes, why not??? Did I say they couldn't???

    You kinda suffer from aquatic tunnelvision.

    The point is, my little boy:
    our brain needs LC-PUFAs

    How do elephants grow their big brains on the savanna?

    H.erectus had POS

    https://doi.org/10.1016/j.jhevol.2015.08.008

    Pleist.Homo colonised Flores

    Yeah, but we don't know how.

    shell engravings: Joordens, Munro etc.

    Inland at Trinil.

    stone tools

    Can be useful anywhere.

    etc.etc.


    Waste your own time: keep running after your antelope!

    Fauna from Mojokerto site:

    "Fossils recovered by excavations in the relocated discovery sandstone
    include Panthera tigris, Proboscidea, Sus sp., Hexaprotodon
    sivalensis, Axis lydekkiri, Rusa sp., Duboisia santeng, large-bodied
    Bovidae, Crocodilus sp., Gavialis sp., Trionyx sp., Siluridae, and
    fresh-water mollusks" (Huffman et al. 2006).

    I don't see any marine taxa in that list.
    How come?

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 08:29:56 2022
    Pleist.Homo colonised Flores

    kudu runner:
    Yeah, but we don't know how

    Yes, yes, my little boy, we all know you don't know ...
    :-DDD
    Backto school.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Mon Nov 28 23:11:33 2022
    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:05:01 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Kudu runner has no idea of fossilization possibilities, he believes Pleistocene Homo could not follow rivers inland, and thinks Crocodilus sp., Gavialis sp., Trionyx sp., Siluridae, and fresh-water mollusks live on land:
    Fauna from Mojokerto site:
    "Fossils recovered by excavations in the relocated discovery sandstone >> include Panthera tigris, Proboscidea, Sus sp., Hexaprotodon
    sivalensis, Axis lydekkiri, Rusa sp., Duboisia santeng, large-bodied
    Bovidae, Crocodilus sp., Gavialis sp., Trionyx sp., Siluridae, and
    fresh-water mollusks" (Huffman et al. 2006).

    I don't see any marine taxa in that list. How come?
    Already caught your kudu, my little little boy?

    Not kudu, santeng!!
    Duboisia santeng or Dubois' antelope is an extinct antelope-like bovid that was endemic to Indonesia during the Pleistocene. It went extinct during the Ionian stage of the Pleistocene, about 750.000 years ago. Duboisia santeng was first described by the
    Dutch paleoanthropologist and geologist Eugène Dubois in 1891.
    Mijn kleine dummkopf dochter...

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Mon Nov 28 22:48:55 2022
    On Monday, November 28, 2022 at 11:29:57 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Pleist.Homo colonised Flores

    kudu runner:
    Yeah, but we don't know how
    Yes, yes, my little boy, we all know you don't know ...
    :-DDD.

    MV carrying his "Little Mermaid" lunchbox, splashing the street puddles....

    Diploë and cortical bone may be functionally independent, as diploë likely responds to red-blood-cell levels and cortical bone is likely more responsive to mineral-ion levels (Kennedy, 1991). There are additional potentially important reasons to
    measure the thickness of the diploë layer separately from the total thickness. First, some have suggested that diploë functions to protect the brain by increasing the thickness of the vault while reducing its weight and without proportionally reducing
    its strength (Anzelmo et al., 2015),

    Thick cortical bone: manatee
    Thick diploë bone: H erectus
    RBC levels assoc. w malaria? (Cf Papua H sapiens beta thalassemia, Hs Kow Swamp?)

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 28 23:05:00 2022
    Kudu runner has no idea of fossilization possibilities, he believes Pleistocene Homo could not follow rivers inland, and thinks Crocodilus sp., Gavialis sp., Trionyx sp., Siluridae, and fresh-water mollusks live on land:

    Fauna from Mojokerto site:
    "Fossils recovered by excavations in the relocated discovery sandstone
    include Panthera tigris, Proboscidea, Sus sp., Hexaprotodon
    sivalensis, Axis lydekkiri, Rusa sp., Duboisia santeng, large-bodied
    Bovidae, Crocodilus sp., Gavialis sp., Trionyx sp., Siluridae, and
    fresh-water mollusks" (Huffman et al. 2006).

    I don't see any marine taxa in that list. How come?

    Already caught your kudu, my little little boy?
    Grow up.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to daud.deden@gmail.com on Tue Nov 29 16:51:27 2022
    On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 23:11:33 -0800 (PST), "DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves" <daud.deden@gmail.com> wrote:

    On Tuesday, November 29, 2022 at 2:05:01 AM UTC-5, littor...@gmail.com wrote: >> Kudu runner has no idea of fossilization possibilities, he believes Pleistocene Homo could not follow rivers inland, and thinks Crocodilus sp., Gavialis sp., Trionyx sp., Siluridae, and fresh-water mollusks live on land:
    Fauna from Mojokerto site:
    "Fossils recovered by excavations in the relocated discovery sandstone >> > >> include Panthera tigris, Proboscidea, Sus sp., Hexaprotodon
    sivalensis, Axis lydekkiri, Rusa sp., Duboisia santeng, large-bodied
    Bovidae, Crocodilus sp., Gavialis sp., Trionyx sp., Siluridae, and
    fresh-water mollusks" (Huffman et al. 2006).

    I don't see any marine taxa in that list. How come?
    Already caught your kudu, my little little boy?

    Not kudu, santeng!!
    Duboisia santeng or Dubois' antelope is an extinct antelope-like bovid that was
    endemic to Indonesia during the Pleistocene. It went extinct during the Ionian >stage of the Pleistocene, about 750.000 years ago. Duboisia santeng was first >described by the Dutch paleoanthropologist and geologist Eugne Dubois in 1891.
    Mijn kleine dummkopf dochter...

    And large-bodied bovids:
    "Presumably these represent Bibos palaeosondacius (related to the
    native cattle of Java), Bubalus palaeokerabau (a water buffalo), and
    perhaps Epileptobos groeneveldtii - three species that are common in
    the hominin formations of eastern Java"

    Obviously a freshwater environment, not marine.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Tue Nov 29 16:27:11 2022
    On Mon, 28 Nov 2022 08:29:56 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Pleist.Homo colonised Flores

    kudu runner:
    Yeah, but we don't know how

    Yes, yes, my little boy, we all know you don't know ...

    At least I can admit as much. I don't assume to know that they swam
    across dangerous seaways at least 20-40 km wide, instead of rafting. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10814-020-09149-7

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 29 08:12:35 2022
    kudur runner:

    And large-bodied bovids:
    "Presumably these represent Bibos palaeosondacius (related to the
    native cattle of Java), Bubalus palaeokerabau (a water buffalo), and
    perhaps Epileptobos groeneveldtii - three species that are common in
    the hominin formations of eastern Java"
    Obviously a freshwater environment, not marine.

    Yes, my little boy, no savanna, thanks for agreeing:
    only incredible imbeciles believe their Pleist.ancestors ran after antelopes.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Tue Nov 29 18:17:28 2022
    On Tue, 29 Nov 2022 08:12:35 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    kudur runner:

    And large-bodied bovids:
    "Presumably these represent Bibos palaeosondacius (related to the
    native cattle of Java), Bubalus palaeokerabau (a water buffalo), and
    perhaps Epileptobos groeneveldtii - three species that are common in
    the hominin formations of eastern Java"
    Obviously a freshwater environment, not marine.

    Yes, my little boy, no savanna, thanks for agreeing:

    "The most widespread was an open savanna grassland with few trees"
    (Morley, 2020)

    "The marine-coast setting is quite unlike habitats known for
    mid-Pleistocene and older hominin populations outside Java." (Huffman,
    2006).
    And even inside Java it's rare one might add.

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