• Homo medicus

    From Pandora@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 13:49:42 2023
    Homo medicus: The transition to meat eating increased pathogen
    pressure and the use of pharmacological plants in Homo

    Abstract

    The human lineage transitioned to a more carnivorous niche 2.6 mya and
    evolved a large body size and slower life history, which likely
    increased zoonotic pathogen pressure. Evidence for this increase
    includes increased zoonotic infections in modern hunter-gatherers and
    bushmeat hunters, exceptionally low stomach pH compared to other
    primates, and divergence in immune-related genes. These all point to
    change, and probably intensification, in the infectious disease
    environment of Homo compared to earlier hominins and other apes. At
    the same time, the brain, an organ in which immune responses are
    constrained, began to triple in size. We propose that the combination
    of increased zoonotic pathogen pressure and the challenges of
    defending a large brain and body from pathogens in a long-lived
    mammal, selected for intensification of the plant-based
    self-medication strategies already in place in apes and other
    primates. In support, there is evidence of medicinal plant use by
    hominins in the middle Paleolithic, and all cultures today have
    sophisticated, plant-based medical systems, add spices to food, and
    regularly consume psychoactive plant substances that are harmful to
    helminths and other pathogens. We propose that the computational
    challenges of discovering effective plant-based treatments, the
    consequent ability to consume more energy-rich animal foods, and the
    reduced reliance on energetically-costly immune responses helped
    select for increased cognitive abilities and unique exchange
    relationships in Homo. In the story of human evolution, which has long emphasized hunting skills, medical skills had an equal role to play.

    Open access:
    https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.24718

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Fri Mar 3 16:50:37 2023
    On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 07:36:30 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Op vrijdag 3 maart 2023 om 13:49:43 UTC+1 schreef Pandora:
    Homo medicus: The transition to meat eating increased pathogen
    pressure and the use of pharmacological plants in Homo

    I just sent this to Dr Hagen:

    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors,

    I just read your paper "Homo medicus".
    Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.

    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr Stephen
    Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations ( as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific nutrients
    in seafoods), etc.

    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in savanna, but
    abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc.

    Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book >https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    With best wishes --marc verhaegen

    You're an incredible hypocrite.
    You should have told them what you said here earlier about their
    paper: "How can self-declared 'scientists" remain so stupid stupid
    stupid???"

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 07:36:30 2023
    Op vrijdag 3 maart 2023 om 13:49:43 UTC+1 schreef Pandora:
    Homo medicus: The transition to meat eating increased pathogen
    pressure and the use of pharmacological plants in Homo

    I just sent this to Dr Hagen:

    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors,

    I just read your paper "Homo medicus".
    Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.

    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr Stephen
    Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations ( as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific nutrients
    in seafoods), etc.

    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in savanna, but
    abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc.

    Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    With best wishes --marc verhaegen

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 11:09:34 2023
    Kudu runner:

    Homo medicus: The transition to meat eating increased pathogen
    pressure and the use of pharmacological plants in Homo

    I just sent this to Dr Hagen:
    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors, I just read your paper "Homo medicus". >Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.
    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr Stephen
    Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations ( as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific nutrients
    in seafoods), etc.
    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in savanna,
    but abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc.
    Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book >https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
    With best wishes --marc verhaegen

    You're an incredible hypocrite.
    You should have told them what you said here earlier about their
    paper: "How can self-declared 'scientists" remain so stupid stupid stupid???"

    My little, little boy: the self-declared 'scientist' = you... :-DDD

    It's really not difficult, even you can understand:
    Homo vs Pan:
    fur loss, fat layer, voluntary breath, external nose, poor olfaction, flat feet, big brain...
    What more do you want??? :-DDD
    Grow up!

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Fri Mar 3 20:48:32 2023
    On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 11:09:34 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Kudu runner:

    Homo medicus: The transition to meat eating increased pathogen
    pressure and the use of pharmacological plants in Homo

    I just sent this to Dr Hagen:
    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors, I just read your paper "Homo medicus".
    Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.
    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr Stephen
    Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations ( as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific nutrients
    in seafoods), etc.
    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in savanna,
    but abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc. >> >Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book
    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
    With best wishes --marc verhaegen

    You're an incredible hypocrite.
    You should have told them what you said here earlier about their
    paper: "How can self-declared 'scientists" remain so stupid stupid
    stupid???"

    My little, little boy: the self-declared 'scientist' = you... :-DDD

    Hypocrite and liar, see your own message here: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/q6RXqefqa3Q

    It's obvious that you said it with regard to Hagen et al.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Fri Mar 3 14:04:26 2023
    Kudu runner:

    Homo medicus: The transition to meat eating increased pathogen
    pressure and the use of pharmacological plants in Homo

    I just sent this to Dr Hagen:
    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors, I just read your paper "Homo medicus". >> >Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.
    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr
    Stephen Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations ( as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific
    nutrients in seafoods), etc.
    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in savanna,
    but abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc.
    Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book
    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
    With best wishes --marc verhaegen

    You're an incredible hypocrite.
    You should have told them what you said here earlier about their
    paper: "How can self-declared 'scientists" remain so stupid stupid
    stupid???"

    My little, little boy: the self-declared 'scientist' = you... :-DDD

    Hypocrite and liar, see your own message here: https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/q6RXqefqa3Q
    It's obvious that you said it with regard to Hagen et al.

    :-DDD You're an incredible child.
    When I meet an opponent (congress, meeting or so), even you..., I'm not going to fight (I'm a polite guy...),
    but altough I would certainly not use these words speaking with him (or sending him an email), I'll try to convice him that his ideas are stupid stupid stupid.

    In this case, it's obvious for anybody who's a little bit sensible:
    evolving fur loss, heavy brain, no claws, flat feet, fat belly, projecting nose, and then running after antelopes...
    :-DDD
    Grow up, my boy. It's not difficult: be sincere, and admit that you were wrong wrong wrong.

    In 1995, prof.Tobias, was so sincere to admit:
    "We were all profoundly and unutterably wrong!"

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Fri Mar 3 16:33:20 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    Homo medicus: The transition to meat eating increased pathogen
    pressure and the use of pharmacological plants in Homo

    To be perfectly honest? It sounds like one of those gibberish papers
    that some machine squeezed out...

    https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-023-00056-7

    This caused a bit of a scandal, amongst those who have mistaken
    "Peer Review" for "Gospel Truth."

    ...truth is there's no end to the horse shit that gets published!

    ANYTHING to do with Gwobull Warbling, ANYTHING to do with the
    French oral vaccine as the origins of AIDS hypothesis, ANYTHING to
    do with paleo anthropology... all horse shit.

    I read a PUBLISHED paper about how CO2 was turning the oceans
    into acid, and this acid was literally melting the sea floor! Turns out
    that not only is the ocean alkaline, not acid, but they never made any observations much less measurements... they played with mud in a
    tray or something...

    Another insisted that a glacier the size of the galaxy was going to
    break off, plop into the ocean and raise sea level... only slowly...
    because they missed that day in kindergarten when we all learned
    how ice raises water level the moment you drop it in, NOT as it
    melts!

    The toilet rag, "Science," disgraced itself running a number of pieces
    that supposedly debunks the Oral Vaccine Theory on the origins of
    AIDS, not one of them address ANYTHING the theory states, nor so
    much as accurately paraphrasing the theory...

    So it's no surprise that you're throwing out what looks like junk and
    engorging yourself on it, as if it were ice cream.

    Enjoy.

    And, oh; wipe your chin.





    -- --

    https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/710781751785619456

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sat Mar 4 12:54:03 2023
    On Fri, 3 Mar 2023 14:04:26 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Kudu runner:

    Homo medicus: The transition to meat eating increased pathogen
    pressure and the use of pharmacological plants in Homo

    I just sent this to Dr Hagen:
    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors, I just read your paper "Homo medicus". >> >> >Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.
    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr
    Stephen Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations ( as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific
    nutrients in seafoods), etc.
    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in
    savanna, but abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc.
    Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book
    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/
    With best wishes --marc verhaegen

    You're an incredible hypocrite.
    You should have told them what you said here earlier about their
    paper: "How can self-declared 'scientists" remain so stupid stupid
    stupid???"

    My little, little boy: the self-declared 'scientist' = you... :-DDD

    Hypocrite and liar, see your own message here:
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/q6RXqefqa3Q
    It's obvious that you said it with regard to Hagen et al.

    :-DDD You're an incredible child.
    When I meet an opponent (congress, meeting or so), even you..., I'm not going to fight (I'm a polite guy...),
    but altough I would certainly not use these words speaking with him (or sending him an email), I'll try to convice him that his ideas are stupid stupid stupid.

    That's why you're a hypocrite, because you don't have the guts to say
    it in their face how you really think about them. Instead you do it
    behind their back.
    The only self-declared 'scientist' here is you, because no one else is pretending to be an anthropologist without a proper degree.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sat Mar 4 15:07:41 2023
    On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 05:36:30 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Kudu runner:

    That's why you're a hypocrite, because you don't have the guts to say
    it in their face how you really think about them. Instead you do it
    behind their back.
    The only self-declared 'scientist' here is you, because no one else is
    pretending to be an anthropologist without a proper degree.

    behind their back???
    :-DDD
    Grow up, little child:
    the endurance running nonsense = the most ridiculous fantasy:
    this is what I sent:

    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors,

    I just read your paper "Homo medicus".
    Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.

    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr Stephen
    Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations (as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific nutrients in
    seafoods), etc.

    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in savanna, but
    abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc.

    Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book >https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    And this is what you said behind their back: "How can self-declared 'scientists' remain so stupid stupid stupid???" https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/q6RXqefqa3Q

    Also notice how many times you use :-DDD in that message, which
    symbolizes nothing but ridicule and contempt.

    Besides, nowhere in their paper do Hagen et al refer to endurance
    running or persistance hunting. You criticize them for something they
    do not even suggest. It's your obsession, as if that were only means
    of hunting.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 05:36:30 2023
    Kudu runner:

    That's why you're a hypocrite, because you don't have the guts to say
    it in their face how you really think about them. Instead you do it
    behind their back.
    The only self-declared 'scientist' here is you, because no one else is pretending to be an anthropologist without a proper degree.

    behind their back???
    :-DDD
    Grow up, little child:
    the endurance running nonsense = the most ridiculous fantasy:
    this is what I sent:

    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors,

    I just read your paper "Homo medicus".
    Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.

    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr Stephen
    Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations (as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific nutrients in
    seafoods), etc.

    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in savanna, but
    abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc.

    Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 4 07:33:18 2023
    Kudu runner:

    That's why you're a hypocrite, because you don't have the guts to say
    it in their face how you really think about them. Instead you do it
    behind their back.
    The only self-declared 'scientist' here is you, because no one else is
    pretending to be an anthropologist without a proper degree.

    behind their back???
    :-DDD
    Grow up, little child:
    the endurance running nonsense = the most ridiculous fantasy:
    this is what I sent:

    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors,
    I just read your paper "Homo medicus".
    Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.
    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr Stephen
    Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations (as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific nutrients in
    seafoods), etc.
    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in savanna,
    but abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc.
    Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book >https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    Kudu runner:

    And this is what you said behind their back: "How can self-declared 'scientists' remain so stupid stupid stupid???" https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/q6RXqefqa3Q
    Also notice how many times you use :-DDD in that message, which
    symbolizes nothing but ridicule and contempt.

    :-DDD Yes, what else, my little boy?? Only incredible fools believe that our flat feet, poor olfaction, naked skin, fat belly, external nose, heavy bones, long femoral necks etc.etc. evolved to hunt...

    Besides, nowhere in their paper do Hagen et al refer to endurance
    running or persistance hunting. You criticize them for something they
    do not even suggest. It's your obsession, as if that were only means
    of hunting.

    Good boy, you're improving, well noticed!

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sat Mar 4 13:21:18 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    because no one else is
    pretending to be an anthropologist without a proper degree.

    How many boxes of Cracker Jacks do you have to buy, on average,
    before you get a "proper" degree?

    Better yet, you can have your own "Proper" degree printed here:

    https://www.partybibs.com/toilet-paper.html

    You can impress your friends, or at least yourself anyway.

    It's not a real science. It violates the principles of science, starting
    with the Sample/Selection/Preservation bias BEFORE we even get
    to it's hierarchical nature.

    It's long been politicized. On it's best of days it's a social program dedicated to making everybody feel good about themselves, by
    way of convincing them that some long dead ancestor that they
    never met was oh so accomplished and not the dirt eating nimrod
    we all know he was...






    -- --

    https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/710781751785619456

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sun Mar 5 11:58:21 2023
    On Sat, 4 Mar 2023 07:33:18 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    Kudu runner:

    That's why you're a hypocrite, because you don't have the guts to say
    it in their face how you really think about them. Instead you do it
    behind their back.
    The only self-declared 'scientist' here is you, because no one else is
    pretending to be an anthropologist without a proper degree.

    behind their back???
    :-DDD
    Grow up, little child:
    the endurance running nonsense = the most ridiculous fantasy:
    this is what I sent:

    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors,
    I just read your paper "Homo medicus".
    Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.
    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr Stephen
    Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations (as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific nutrients in
    seafoods), etc.
    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in savanna,
    but abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc. >> >Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book
    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    Kudu runner:

    And this is what you said behind their back: "How can self-declared
    'scientists' remain so stupid stupid stupid???"
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/q6RXqefqa3Q
    Also notice how many times you use :-DDD in that message, which
    symbolizes nothing but ridicule and contempt.

    :-DDD Yes, what else, my little boy??

    One has to wonder why you have to be such an asshole about it all the
    time. It's probably out of frustration, because you wish, but can't,
    force a 'paradigm' shift.
    See also: https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261772339_The_role_of_the_aquatic_in_human_evolution_Constraining_the_aquatic_ape_hypothesis

    Only incredible fools believe that our flat feet, poor olfaction, naked skin, fat belly,
    external nose, heavy bones, long femoral necks etc.etc. evolved to hunt...

    That's exactly the "science by lists of traits considered to be
    unique" that Foley and Lahr mention in their paper.

    Apparently you have this in mind? https://rainbowkandura.files.wordpress.com/2018/09/at_the_beach_-_male_abdominal_obesity.jpg

    Not this? https://news.arizona.edu/story/modern-huntergatherers-show-value-exercise

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 05:38:57 2023
    Kudu runner:

    That's why you're a hypocrite, because you don't have the guts to say >> >> it in their face how you really think about them. Instead you do it
    behind their back.
    The only self-declared 'scientist' here is you, because no one else is >> >> pretending to be an anthropologist without a proper degree.

    behind their back??? :-DDD
    Grow up, little child: the endurance running nonsense = the most ridiculous fantasy:
    this is what I sent:
    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors,
    I just read your paper "Homo medicus".
    Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.
    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr
    Stephen Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations (as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific
    nutrients in seafoods), etc.
    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in savanna,
    but abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc.
    Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book
    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    Kudu runner:

    And this is what you said behind their back: "How can self-declared
    'scientists' remain so stupid stupid stupid???"
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/q6RXqefqa3Q
    Also notice how many times you use :-DDD in that message, which
    symbolizes nothing but ridicule and contempt.

    :-DDD Yes, what else, my little boy??

    One has to wonder why you have to be such an asshole about it all the
    time. It's probably out of frustration, because you wish, but can't,
    force a 'paradigm' shift.

    Yes, it's frustrating that self-declared "scientists" are too stupid to see that furless, flat-footed, thick-bellied mammals can't have run after antelopes, not even have lived in savannas: all naked & fat mammals with large brains, poor olfaction,
    external noses, broad bodies etc. are (semi)aquatic.

    Only incredible fools believe that our flat feet, poor olfaction, naked skin, fat belly,
    external nose, heavy bones, long femoral necks etc.etc. evolved to hunt...

    Indeed, thanks, my boy.

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Sun Mar 5 18:04:27 2023
    On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 05:38:57 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    That's why you're a hypocrite, because you don't have the guts to say >> >> >> it in their face how you really think about them. Instead you do it
    behind their back.
    The only self-declared 'scientist' here is you, because no one else is >> >> >> pretending to be an anthropologist without a proper degree.

    behind their back??? :-DDD
    Grow up, little child: the endurance running nonsense = the most ridiculous fantasy:
    this is what I sent:
    Dear Dr Hagen & all co-authors,
    I just read your paper "Homo medicus".
    Very interesting thinking pharmacologically: meat-eating is indeed often not so healthy.
    However, although this probably doesn't change your interpretations, transitions to more meat-eating were not 2.6 Ma, but late-Pleistocene.
    In fact, medical, comparative, archeological and other evidence shows a transition to eating more aquatic foods 2.6 Ma, possibly even earlier. See e.g. stone tool use and shellfish consumption, and especially the shell engravings found by Dr
    Stephen Munro (google e.g. "Joordens Munro"), the island colonizations (as far as Flores) the intercontinental coastal and waterside dispersals (Java, SE.Asia, Africa, Europe...), the brain enlargement since H.erectus (cf. DHA & other brain-specific
    nutrients in seafoods), etc.
    Note that the "endurance running" idea (Pleistocene antelope hunting) is a far-fatched and physiologically impossible fantasy, see e.g. human olfactory atrophy (even worse than in other primates), human sweating (water & salts are scarce in
    savanna, but abundant waterside), human fur loss and development of SC fat-layers, etc.
    Google e.g. "coastal dispersal Pleistocene Homo" or my new book
    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

    And this is what you said behind their back: "How can self-declared
    'scientists' remain so stupid stupid stupid???"
    https://groups.google.com/g/sci.anthropology.paleo/c/q6RXqefqa3Q
    Also notice how many times you use :-DDD in that message, which
    symbolizes nothing but ridicule and contempt.

    :-DDD Yes, what else, my little boy??

    One has to wonder why you have to be such an asshole about it all the
    time. It's probably out of frustration, because you wish, but can't,
    force a 'paradigm' shift.

    Yes, it's frustrating that self-declared "scientists"

    How many students are enlisted at your Study Center Anthropology?
    Is it a formally recognized academic institution?

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 5 16:04:02 2023
    The only kudu runners' argument:

    How many students are enlisted at your Study Center Anthropology?
    Is it a formally recognized academic institution?

    :-DDD

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Sun Mar 5 16:25:07 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    How many students are enlisted at your Study Center Anthropology?

    You could repeat this 20, 80 or even 500 times -- and God know you
    will -- but it can't ever address a word being said to you, let alone
    refute any of it.

    It's not an argument. You're not discussing the issues, you're trying to
    stop discussion. You're trying to block an exchange.




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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 6 04:03:36 2023
    Kudu runner:

    How many students are enlisted at your Study Center Anthropology?

    And how many students follow your antelope nonsense, my little child?
    Is it a formally recognized academic institution?

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Mon Mar 6 15:53:18 2023
    On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 04:03:36 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    How many students are enlisted at your Study Center Anthropology?

    And how many students follow your antelope nonsense, my little child?
    Is it a formally recognized academic institution?

    The idea of endurance running and its possible relation to persistence
    hunting is not mine. As far as I know it was David Carrier who
    suggested it in his 1984 paper "The energetic paradox of human running
    and hominid evolution" in Current Anthropology: https://carrier.biology.utah.edu/Publications2.html

    Later Bramble and Lieberman reviewed the anatomical and physiological
    basis in their 2004 paper "Endurance running and the evolution of
    Homo" in Nature: https://scholar.harvard.edu/dlieberman/publications/endurance-running-and-evolution-homo

    Given that Current Anthropology and Nature are two well-established,
    widely circulating journals, I'm pretty sure that a lot of students
    have picked up the idea. It has a lot more citations than "Aquarboreal Ancestors?".

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Mon Mar 6 15:22:35 2023
    On Sun, 5 Mar 2023 16:04:02 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    The only kudu runners' argument:

    How many students are enlisted at your Study Center Anthropology?
    Is it a formally recognized academic institution?

    :-DDD

    I'm trying to establish your credibility here.
    You accuse other people of being self-declared "scientists", and now
    I'm trying to figure out what part of you is not self-declared.

    Edward Hagen got a PhD in anthropology (1999) form the University of California, Santa Barbara, which is a bonafide academic institute: https://www.ucsb.edu/

    Your Study Center Anthropology on the other hand appears to be just a
    mailbox institute.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 6 15:41:36 2023
    kudu runner:

    I'm trying to establish your credibility here.

    Establish your own credibility, my little boy!

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Mon Mar 6 22:33:11 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    The idea of endurance running and its possible relation to persistence hunting is not mine.

    And it's stupid. It's circular.

    "They evolved this thing, okay? So they could do it and, um, and evolve
    this thing that they had to evolve in order to do it so they could evolve
    it."



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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Mon Mar 6 22:31:35 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    I'm trying to establish your credibility here.

    You are literally "Arguing" that he doesn't have the right to speak on
    these issues. You are trying to shut down any talk. You are trying to
    STOP any discussion. BECAUSE you can't beat it.

    You can't win, you know Aquatic Ape is correct, so instead of trying
    to "Argue" a point you attempt to block or at least obstruct.

    ...plus do the Google on "Ad Hominem."

    You accuse other people of being self-declared "scientists", and now
    I'm trying to figure out what part of you is not self-declared.

    Paleo anthropology is NOT a science. From the over-the-top selection
    bias to the circular idiocy where everything has to be interpreted within
    the framework of the social program, paleo anthropology is a disgrace.

    It is NOT a science.




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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Tue Mar 7 10:29:45 2023
    On Mon, 6 Mar 2023 15:41:36 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    I'm trying to establish your credibility here.

    Establish your own credibility, my little boy!

    I don't pretend to be an anthropologist at Mailbox University.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 7 01:36:57 2023
    Kudu runner:

    I don't pretend to be an anthropologist at Mailbox University.

    Yes, you haven't said 1 sensible word so far.

    https://es.linkedin.com/posts/kathelijne-bonne-980b946_waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-activity-7034085381423702016-TM1b

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 7 03:13:16 2023
    Op vrijdag 3 maart 2023 om 13:49:43 UTC+1 schreef Pandora:
    Homo medicus: The transition to meat eating increased pathogen
    pressure and the use of pharmacological plants in Homo
    Abstract
    The human lineage transitioned to a more carnivorous niche 2.6 mya

    :-DDD
    Ridiculous just-so fantasy, based on 0:
    luckily, geologists & physicians know better:
    e.g. google "GondwanaTalks Verhaegen"
    The Waterside Hypothesis: wading led to upright walking in early humans 06/02/2023
    Our ancestors lived in aquatic habitats according to the controversial but highly plausible Waterside hypothesis, formerly known as the Aquatic Ape Theory. Frequent wading in water led, among other things, to our most striking feature: walking upright on
    two legs. However, many paleoanthropologists still believe that bipedalism is the result of our supposed move from jungle to savannah, an idea that sprang from the now largely obsolete savannah hypothesis. In this article we rely on the insights of
    Belgian physician Marc Verhaegen, an authority on human evolution. His new findings from anatomy and comparative biology have greatly refined our current knowledge. ...

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  • From Pandora@21:1/5 to littoral.homo@gmail.com on Tue Mar 7 11:20:14 2023
    On Tue, 7 Mar 2023 01:36:57 -0800 (PST), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:

    I don't pretend to be an anthropologist at Mailbox University.

    Yes, you haven't said 1 sensible word so far.

    https://es.linkedin.com/posts/kathelijne-bonne-980b946_waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-activity-7034085381423702016-TM1b

    "But recently I was contacted by Dr. Marc Verhaegen: his findings on
    human evolution from comparative biology opened my eyes and gave me
    new, totally unexpected views: Early humans couldn't survive at all on
    the savannah, instead, they developed our most remarkable traits
    (bipedalism, loss of fur, big brain, ...) by adapting to a life near
    the #water."

    Seems like you've got a disciple.

    Modified after Foley and Lahr, "conversions (to AAT) can take on an
    almost religious intensity – how can you not believe?" https://www.researchgate.net/publication/261772339_The_role_of_the_aquatic_in_human_evolution_Constraining_the_aquatic_ape_hypothesis

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to you haven't on Tue Mar 7 03:20:09 2023
    Kudu runner with 0 knowledge as he admits:

    I don't pretend to be an anthropologist at Mailbox University.

    :-D
    Yes, my boy, you haven't said 1 sensible word so far.

    https://es.linkedin.com/posts/kathelijne-bonne-980b946_waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-activity-7034085381423702016-TM1b
    "But recently I was contacted by Dr Marc Verhaegen: his findings on
    human evolution from comparative biology opened my eyes and gave me
    new, totally unexpected views: Early humans couldn't survive at all on
    the savannah, instead, they developed our most remarkable traits (bipedalism, loss of fur, big brain...) by adapting to a life near the water."

    :-) Thanks a lot. Good boy!

    Savanna believers OTOH take on an almost religious intensity – how can you not believe?

    https://www.gondwanatalks.com/l/the-waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-walking-in-early-humans/

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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Tue Mar 7 12:10:47 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    I don't pretend to be an anthropologist at Mailbox University.

    You should. If you're rich enough, well connected enough or just
    plain lucky you be be amongst the 0.0001% that earn a good
    living in the field.

    That's actually a very important point, though you'll never "get it."

    It's a private club. As is the case with every academic pursuit
    that lacks a direct military or economic application, it's not ruled
    by "The Best" people, the most gifted students, the brightest
    thinkers. No, it's ruled by the people who navigate the politics of
    academia the best.

    Status matters. Social status. But skill, intelligence never has.

    It's how everything from Piltdown man, though no-Neanderthal-
    interbreeding and onto Naledi can happen...

    YOU CAN'T EVEN DEAL WITH THE CHROMOSOME 11 INSERT!

    I've pointed it out, you have to know it means that your entire
    Out of Africa model is bullshit, but there's no article whose
    headline you can quote saying that, no authority you can point
    to who writes such articles...

    For you, it's about headlines; what gets into print, what publications
    printed it.


    There's only one complete picture, and that Aquatic Ape. Accept it
    and move on.







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  • From JTEM is so reasonable@21:1/5 to Pandora on Tue Mar 7 12:13:08 2023
    Pandora wrote:

    "But recently I was contacted by Dr. Marc Verhaegen: his findings on
    human evolution from comparative biology opened my eyes and gave me
    new, totally unexpected views: Early humans couldn't survive at all on
    the savannah, instead, they developed our most remarkable traits
    (bipedalism, loss of fur, big brain, ...) by adapting to a life near
    the #water."

    Seems like you've got a disciple.

    Seems like you've got another heretic to burn!

    As your type are apt to say; "If they're innocent God will blow out the flames."





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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Thu Mar 9 06:34:23 2023
    kudu runner:

    I don't pretend to be an anthropologist at Mailbox University.

    Yes, you haven't said 1 sensible word so far. >https://es.linkedin.com/posts/kathelijne-bonne-980b946_waterside-hypothesis-wading-led-to-upright-activity-7034085381423702016-TM1b

    "But recently I was contacted by Dr. Marc Verhaegen: his findings on
    human evolution from comparative biology opened my eyes and gave me
    new, totally unexpected views: Early humans couldn't survive at all on
    the savannah, instead, they developed our most remarkable traits
    (bipedalism, loss of fur, big brain, ...) by adapting to a life near
    the #water."

    Seems like you've got a disciple.

    Yes, luckily, there are some real scientists (a geologist in this case) that think a bit... :-)

    Pleist.human evolution is really not difficult:
    -- savanna nonsense = pure fantasy, 0 indications,
    -- coastal dispersal = obvious, lots of *independent* indications:
    island colonizations, larger brain, fur loss, SC fat, breathing control, plantigrady, poor olfaction etc.etc.

    Only incredible idiots still believe their ancestors ran after antelopes... :-DDD

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