Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to Asia, Darwin said.
What Darwin really said about the birthplace and antiquity of man in
1871, The Descent of Man, p.199: http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F937.1&viewtype=image&pageseq=212
Indeed, Eugène Dubois found H.erectus.
Earliest representatives of that taxon are from Africa:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22208-x https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaw7293
Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to Asia, Darwin said.
Indeed, Eugne Dubois found H.erectus.
Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to Asia, Darwin said.What Darwin really said about the birthplace and antiquity of man in
1871, The Descent of Man, p.199: http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F937.1&viewtype=image&pageseq=212
Indeed, Eugčne Dubois found H.erectus.
Earliest representatives of that taxon are from Africa: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22208-x
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaw7293
me:
Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to Asia, Darwin said.
kudu runner:
What Darwin really said about the birthplace and antiquity of man in
1871, The Descent of Man, p.199:
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F937.1&viewtype=image&pageseq=212
Thanks a lot, my boy.
Indeed, Eugne Dubois found H.erectus.
Earliest representatives of that taxon are from Africa:
:-D My little little boy, stop confusing Homo s.s. & Australopithecus habilis, naledi etc.:
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22208-x
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaw7293
Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to Asia, Darwin said.
What Darwin really said about the birthplace and antiquity of man in
1871, The Descent of Man, p.199:
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F937.1&viewtype=image&pageseq=212
Thanks a lot, my boy.
Don't thank me, apologize to Darwin for putting words in his mouth he
never said.
"In each great region of the world the living mammals are closely
related to the extinct species of the same region. It is therefore
probable that Africa was formerly inhabited by extinct apes closely
allied to the gorilla and chimpanzee; and as these two species are now
man's nearest allies, it is somewhat more probable that our early progenitors lived on the African continent than elsewhere."
In other words, if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to
Africa. Indeed, Darwin was right.
Indeed, Eugène Dubois found H.erectus.
Earliest representatives of that taxon are from Africa:
:-D My little little boy, stop confusing Homo s.s. & Australopithecus habilis, naledi etc.:
As a retired general practitioner without any expertise or experience
in paleontology and without having studied these fossils first hand
and up close, comparing them to others, you don't get to say what they
are or what they're not on the basis of wishful thinking.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22208-x
What a true expert, Bernard Wood, said about KNM-ER 2598 in the most comprehensive descriptive catalogue of the Koobi Fora cranial remains
(Koobi Fora Research Project Volume 4, p.130):
"This specimen is a fragment of occipital with inion, lambda, and the
medial ends of both lambdoid sutures: surface bone is missing on the fragment to the right of lambda. The main features are a marked
occipital torus and a relatively acute angle between the squamous and
nuchal surfaces of the occipital. On the endocranial surface, the
internal occiptal protuberance lies below the level of inion, and
there are marked concavities for the occiptal lobes. Thickness
measurements are given in Reference Table 14; in addition, the
thickness at the extreme end of the specimen, near asterion, is 9 mm
and at the internal occipital protuberance it is 5 mm. These data
suggest that affinities of this fragment are with H. erectus-like
crania."
As such it compares favourably with the slightly younger, more
complete specimens from the same area, such as KNM-ER 3733 (1.65 Ma): <https://www.dlt.ncssm.edu/tiger/360views/Hominid_Skull-Homo_ergaster_KNM-ER_3733(DukeC)_800x600/index.html>
Even that specimen is older than the first appearance datum of
Indonesian H.erectus:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aau8556
Those are the scientific facts.
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaw7293
"DNH 134 is strikingly similar to the Mojokerto H.erectus cranium in
overall cranial shape (Fig. 4)."
Op zondag 9 juli 2023 om 12:12:47 UTC+2 schreef Pandora:
me:
Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to Asia, Darwin said.
kudu runner:
What Darwin really said about the birthplace and antiquity of man in
1871, The Descent of Man, p.199:
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F937.1&viewtype=image&pageseq=212
Thanks a lot, my boy.
Don't thank me, apologize to Darwin for putting words in his mouth he
never said.
Google: Mario Vaneechoutte.
"In each great region of the world the living mammals are closely
related to the extinct species of the same region. It is therefore
probable that Africa was formerly inhabited by extinct apes closely
allied to the gorilla and chimpanzee; and as these two species are now
man's nearest allies, it is somewhat more probable that our early
progenitors lived on the African continent than elsewhere."
In other words, if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to
Africa. Indeed, Darwin was right.
He also said:
Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to Asia.
Google: Mario Vaneechoutte.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22208-x
Luckily, some true experts (prof.Tobias) confess they were completely & incomprehensible wrong...
What a true expert, Bernard Wood, said about KNM-ER 2598 in the most
comprehensive descriptive catalogue of the Koobi Fora cranial remains
(Koobi Fora Research Project Volume 4, p.130):
"This specimen is a fragment of occipital with inion, lambda, and the
medial ends of both lambdoid sutures: surface bone is missing on the
fragment to the right of lambda. The main features are a marked
occipital torus and a relatively acute angle between the squamous and
nuchal surfaces of the occipital. On the endocranial surface, the
internal occiptal protuberance lies below the level of inion, and
there are marked concavities for the occiptal lobes. Thickness
measurements are given in Reference Table 14; in addition, the
thickness at the extreme end of the specimen, near asterion, is 9 mm
and at the internal occipital protuberance it is 5 mm. These data
suggest that affinities of this fragment are with H. erectus-like
crania."
As such it compares favourably with the slightly younger, more
complete specimens from the same area, such as KNM-ER 3733 (1.65 Ma):
<https://www.dlt.ncssm.edu/tiger/360views/Hominid_Skull-Homo_ergaster_KNM-ER_3733(DukeC)_800x600/index.html>
Even that specimen is older than the first appearance datum of
Indonesian H.erectus:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aau8556
Those are the scientific facts.
:-DDD Grow up, my boy: see my above quotations + *think* a little bit: >Does out little child knows what "suggests" means?? "among"? "attributed"? "different"? "consistent"? "may"?
The name "erectus" was given to fossils found in Java:
"New hominin remains and revised context from the earliest Homo erectus locality in East Turkana, Kenya"
Ashley S Hammond cs 2021 Nature Comm.12,1939 open access
The KNM-ER 2598 occipital is among the oldest fossils attributed to H.erectus, but did it derive from a younger horizon?
Here we report on efforts to re-locate the KNM-ER 2598 locality, we investigate its paleontological & geological context.
Although located in a different E.Turkana collection area (Area 13) than initially reported, the locality is stratigraphically positioned below the KBS Tuff,
and the outcrops show no evidence of deflation of a younger unit, supporting an age of >1.855?Ma.
Newly recovered faunal material consists primarily of C4 grazers, further confirmed by enamel isotope data.
A hominin proximal MT-3 & partial ilium were discovered <50?m from the reconstructed location where ER-2598 was originally found,
but these cannot be associated directly with the occipital.
The postcrania are cons.x fossil Homo, and may represent the earliest postcrania attributable to H.erectus.
Excellent, thanks!
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaw7293
"DNH 134 is strikingly similar to the Mojokerto H.erectus cranium in
overall cranial shape (Fig. 4)."
Yes, Mojokerto = river delta + shellfish etc.:
and why does our little boy believe that archaic Homo could not have followed the Ind.Ocean shores + the rivers inland??
:-DDD
Ever heard of the retroviral evidence that human Pliocene ancestors were NOT even in Africa??
Yohn cs 2005 PLoS Biol.3:1-11.
Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to Asia, Darwin said.
kudu runner:
What Darwin really said about the birthplace and antiquity of man in >> >> 1871, The Descent of Man, p.199:
http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F937.1&viewtype=image&pageseq=212
Thanks a lot, my boy.
Don't thank me, apologize to Darwin for putting words in his mouth he
never said.
Google: Mario Vaneechoutte.Google: Charles Darwin.
"In each great region of the world the living mammals are closely
related to the extinct species of the same region. It is therefore
probable that Africa was formerly inhabited by extinct apes closely
allied to the gorilla and chimpanzee; and as these two species are now
man's nearest allies, it is somewhat more probable that our early
progenitors lived on the African continent than elsewhere."
In other words, if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to
Africa. Indeed, Darwin was right.
He also said:When and where did he say that?
Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to Asia.
Quote him, please.
Google: Mario Vaneechoutte.
Be more specific, a name is not enough.
https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22208-x
Luckily, some true experts (prof.Tobias) confess they were completely & incomprehensible wrong...
What a true expert, Bernard Wood, said about KNM-ER 2598 in the most
comprehensive descriptive catalogue of the Koobi Fora cranial remains
(Koobi Fora Research Project Volume 4, p.130):
"This specimen is a fragment of occipital with inion, lambda, and the
medial ends of both lambdoid sutures: surface bone is missing on the
fragment to the right of lambda. The main features are a marked
occipital torus and a relatively acute angle between the squamous and
nuchal surfaces of the occipital. On the endocranial surface, the
internal occiptal protuberance lies below the level of inion, and
there are marked concavities for the occiptal lobes. Thickness
measurements are given in Reference Table 14; in addition, the
thickness at the extreme end of the specimen, near asterion, is 9 mm
and at the internal occipital protuberance it is 5 mm. These data
suggest that affinities of this fragment are with H. erectus-like
crania."
As such it compares favourably with the slightly younger, more
complete specimens from the same area, such as KNM-ER 3733 (1.65 Ma):
<https://www.dlt.ncssm.edu/tiger/360views/Hominid_Skull-Homo_ergaster_KNM-ER_3733(DukeC)_800x600/index.html>
Even that specimen is older than the first appearance datum of
Indonesian H.erectus:
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aau8556
Those are the scientific facts.
:-DDD Grow up, my boy: see my above quotations + *think* a little bit: >Does out little child knows what "suggests" means?? "among"? "attributed"? "different"? "consistent"? "may"?Formal taxonomic attribution of KNM-ER 2598: cf. Homo aff. erectus,
which means that its closest affinity is with Homo erectus.
The name "erectus" was given to fossils found in Java:Yes, the Trinil 2 calotte is the holotype, but that doesn't imply that
it was the place of origin of that taxon.
"New hominin remains and revised context from the earliest Homo erectus locality in East Turkana, Kenya"
Ashley S Hammond cs 2021 Nature Comm.12,1939 open access
The KNM-ER 2598 occipital is among the oldest fossils attributed to H.erectus, but did it derive from a younger horizon?
Here we report on efforts to re-locate the KNM-ER 2598 locality, we investigate its paleontological & geological context.
Although located in a different E.Turkana collection area (Area 13) than initially reported, the locality is stratigraphically positioned below the KBS Tuff,
and the outcrops show no evidence of deflation of a younger unit, supporting an age of >1.855?Ma.
Newly recovered faunal material consists primarily of C4 grazers, further confirmed by enamel isotope data.
A hominin proximal MT-3 & partial ilium were discovered <50?m from the reconstructed location where ER-2598 was originally found,
but these cannot be associated directly with the occipital.
The postcrania are cons.x fossil Homo, and may represent the earliest postcrania attributable to H.erectus.
Excellent, thanks!
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaw7293
"DNH 134 is strikingly similar to the Mojokerto H.erectus cranium in
overall cranial shape (Fig. 4)."
Yes, Mojokerto = river delta + shellfish etc.:That's possible, but the fossil record suggests they would have to
and why does our little boy believe that archaic Homo could not have followed the Ind.Ocean shores + the rivers inland??
:-DDD
move out of inland Africa first, because that's where the earliest representatives of Homo were found.
If you disagree then you should state clearly what you think is the
oldest representative of our genus (i.e. the first appearance datum of Homo). I dare you, but I'm pretty sure you'll evade that challenge
with fanciful scenario's about Miocene Homo in Asia.
Ever heard of the retroviral evidence that human Pliocene ancestors were NOT even in Africa??Yeah, see Discussion in that paper: https://journals.plos.org/plosbiology/article?id=10.1371/journal.pbio.0030110#s3
Yohn cs 2005 PLoS Biol.3:1-11.
Do the authors suggest that an excursion by early hominids to Eurasia
during the time that PTERV1 infected African great apes is the only speculative scenario to explain the absence of retrovirus in both the orangutan and human lineages?
On Sat, 8 Jul 2023 05:22:20 -0700 (PDT), "littor...@gmail.com" <littoral.homo@gmail.com> wrote:
Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go to Asia, Darwin said.
What Darwin really said about the birthplace and antiquity of man in
1871, The Descent of Man, p.199: http://darwin-online.org.uk/content/frameset?itemID=F937.1&viewtype=image&pageseq=212
Indeed, Eugène Dubois found H.erectus.
Earliest representatives of that taxon are from Africa: https://www.nature.com/articles/s41467-021-22208-x
https://www.science.org/doi/10.1126/science.aaw7293
Our closest genetic relatives are in Africa...
Pongids & hylobatids live in SE.Asia: if you want to find human ancestral fossils, go
to Asia, Darwin said. Indeed, Eugène Dubois found H.erectus.
kudu runner:
Our closest genetic relatives are in Africa...
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