• only incredible imbecile believe their ancestor ran after antelopes

    From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 31 09:26:12 2021
    Some kudu runner thought he should past this, but apparently didn't even read the comments:

    Earliest Archaeological Evidence of Persistent Hominin Carnivory
    Joseph V Ferraro cs 2013 https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0062174
    The emergence of lithic technology by ∼2.6 Ma is often interpreted as a correlate of increasingly recurrent hominin acquisition & consumption of animal remains, but associated faunal evidence is poorly preserved prior to ∼1.8 Ma, limiting our
    understanding of early archaeological (Oldowan) hominin carnivory.
    Here we detail 3 large well-preserved zoo-archaeological assemblages from Kanjera South, Kenya ∼2.0 Ma, pre-dating all previously published archaeo-faunas of appreciable size. At Kanjera,
    - there is clear evidence that Oldowan hominins acquired & processed numerous, rel.complete, small ungulate carcasses,
    - they had at least occasional access to the fleshed remains of larger, wildebeest-sized animals.
    The overall record of hominin activities is consistent through the stratified sequence (spanning 100s to 1000s of yrs),
    it provides the earliest archaeological evidence of sustained hominin involvement with fleshed animal remains (i.e. persistent carnivory), a foraging adaptation central to many models of hominin evolution.

    Comment: Thanks a lot for this.
    The cutmarks show that archaic Homo sometimes tried to crack bones with stones, but it doesn't show that this was an important subsistence strategy: stones and bones preserve incomparably better than all other subsistence strategies.
    Archaic Homo spread along rivers and coasts, they sometimes even colonized islands far oversea (Flores), some specimens had ear exostoses (indicating frequent diving in colder water), they all had pachyosteosclerotic skeletons (exclusively seen in
    shallow-diving tetrapods), they used stone tools (cf. sea-otters), they had drastic brain enlargement (brain-specific nutrients are abundant in littoral resources, e.g. DHA) etc.
    Of course they butchered carcasses they found at the waterside, e.g. from herbivores that were drowned in a flood or when crossing rivers (trek) or left over from carnivore meals, but that doesn't mean this was their most important subsistence strategy.
    Nor does it necessarily mean carnivory rather than bone marrow. I don't think they were hunters (at most opportunistic scavengers?), certainly no endurance runners: their plantigrade feet were too slow, their big noses were vulnerable in fights, their
    bodies were much too heavy and broadly built, etc.

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    Only imbeciles believe that mammals with atrophied olfaction are adapted to hunting.

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  • From I Envy JTEM@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Oct 31 11:29:03 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:

    Some kudu runner thought he should past this, but apparently didn't even read the comments:

    In Russia, antelopes run after ancestors!

    Humans are walkers, which explains how humans migrated across the globe starting 2 million years before the invention of the SUV.





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    https://jtem.tumblr.com/post/666444340305018880

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Oct 31 23:23:41 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Some kudu runner thought he should past this, but apparently didn't even read the comments:

    Earliest Archaeological Evidence of Persistent Hominin Carnivory
    Joseph V Ferraro cs 2013 https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0062174
    The emergence of lithic technology by ∼2.6 Ma is often interpreted as a correlate of increasingly recurrent hominin acquisition & consumption of animal remains, but associated faunal evidence is poorly preserved prior to ∼1.8 Ma, limiting our
    understanding of early archaeological (Oldowan) hominin carnivory.
    Here we detail 3 large well-preserved zoo-archaeological assemblages from Kanjera South, Kenya ∼2.0 Ma, pre-dating all previously published archaeo-faunas of appreciable size. At Kanjera,
    - there is clear evidence that Oldowan hominins acquired & processed numerous, rel.complete, small ungulate carcasses,
    - they had at least occasional access to the fleshed remains of larger, wildebeest-sized animals.
    The overall record of hominin activities is consistent through the stratified sequence (spanning 100s to 1000s of yrs),
    it provides the earliest archaeological evidence of sustained hominin involvement with fleshed animal remains (i.e. persistent carnivory), a foraging adaptation central to many models of hominin evolution.

    Comment: Thanks a lot for this.
    The cutmarks show that archaic Homo sometimes tried to crack bones with stones, but it doesn't show that this was an important subsistence strategy: stones and bones preserve incomparably better than all other subsistence strategies.
    Archaic Homo spread along rivers and coasts, they sometimes even colonized islands far oversea (Flores), some specimens had ear exostoses (indicating frequent diving in colder water), they all had pachyosteosclerotic skeletons (exclusively seen in
    shallow-diving tetrapods), they used stone tools (cf. sea-otters), they had drastic brain enlargement (brain-specific nutrients are abundant in littoral resources, e.g. DHA) etc.
    Of course they butchered carcasses they found at the waterside, e.g. from herbivores that were drowned in a flood or when crossing rivers (trek) or left over from carnivore meals, but that doesn't mean this was their most important subsistence strategy.
    Nor does it necessarily mean carnivory rather than bone marrow. I don't think they were hunters (at most opportunistic scavengers?), certainly no endurance runners: their plantigrade feet were too slow, their big noses were vulnerable in fights, their
    bodies were much too heavy and broadly built, etc.

    _____

    Only imbeciles believe that mammals with atrophied olfaction are adapted to hunting.


    We hunt visually.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 1 04:05:33 2021
    Op maandag 1 november 2021 om 06:23:43 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:

    Only imbeciles believe that mammals with atrophied olfaction are adapted to hunting.

    We hunt visually.

    So do wolves.
    Grow up.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Mon Nov 1 04:04:53 2021
    Op zondag 31 oktober 2021 om 19:29:04 UTC+1 schreef I Envy JTEM:


    Some kudu runner thought he should past this, but apparently didn't even read the comments:

    In Russia, antelopes run after ancestors!
    Humans are walkers, which explains how humans migrated across the globe starting 2 million years before the invention of the SUV.

    Yes, we're waders/walkers, but only late-Pleistocene:
    sapiens lost erectus' pachyosteosclerosis, platycephaly, platypelloidy & platymeria,
    but evolved basi-cranial flexion, longer legs, narrower pelves etc.:
    clearly an evolution from diving to wading.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Tue Nov 2 03:01:40 2021
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 7:05:34 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op maandag 1 november 2021 om 06:23:43 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:
    Only imbeciles believe that mammals with atrophied olfaction are adapted to hunting.

    We hunt visually.
    So do wolves.
    Grow up.
    Wolves combine scent & sight & sound, humans combine sight & sound.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Tue Nov 2 02:59:20 2021
    On Monday, November 1, 2021 at 7:04:54 AM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op zondag 31 oktober 2021 om 19:29:04 UTC+1 schreef I Envy JTEM:
    Some kudu runner thought he should past this, but apparently didn't even read the comments:

    In Russia, antelopes run after ancestors!
    Humans are walkers, which explains how humans migrated across the globe starting 2 million years before the invention of the SUV.
    Yes, we're waders/walkers, but only late-Pleistocene:
    sapiens lost erectus' pachyosteosclerosis, platycephaly, platypelloidy & platymeria,
    but evolved basi-cranial flexion, longer legs, narrower pelves etc.:
    clearly an evolution from diving to wading.

    Wader/climbers > open sea divers/sleepers > wader-walkers?? Pure fallacy.

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  • From littoral.homo@gmail.com@21:1/5 to All on Tue Nov 2 15:44:33 2021
    Op dinsdag 2 november 2021 om 11:01:41 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    Only imbeciles believes that mammals with atrophied olfaction are adapted to hunting.

    We hunt visually.

    So do wolves. Grow up.

    Wolves combine scent & sight & sound, humans combine sight & sound.

    Alle terrestrial carnivores use scent & sight & sound.
    Human don't/can't,
    IOW, only incredible imbeciles believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

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  • From DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_l@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Wed Nov 3 22:43:42 2021
    On Tuesday, November 2, 2021 at 6:44:34 PM UTC-4, littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op dinsdag 2 november 2021 om 11:01:41 UTC+1 schreef DD'eDeN aka note/nickname/alas_my_loves:


    Only imbeciles believes that mammals with atrophied olfaction are adapted to hunting.
    We hunt visually.

    So do wolves. Grow up.

    Wolves combine scent & sight & sound, humans combine sight & sound.
    Alle terrestrial carnivores use scent & sight & sound.
    Human don't/can't,
    IOW, only incredible imbeciles believe their ancestors ran after antelopes.

    Terrestrial carnivores? Humans are terrestrial omnivores.

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  • From Primum Sapienti@21:1/5 to littor...@gmail.com on Sun Nov 7 18:59:15 2021
    littor...@gmail.com wrote:
    Op maandag 1 november 2021 om 06:23:43 UTC+1 schreef Primum Sapienti:

    Only imbeciles believe that mammals with atrophied olfaction are adapted to hunting.

    We hunt visually.

    So do wolves.

    Good boy! You admit we hunt.

    Grow up.


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