I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.
https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlink-internet-service
John Savard
On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 12:54:32 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.
https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlin
k-internet-service
John Savard
"Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine had
not Clinton tricked them into giving up their nukes to Russia
and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles,
rockets and thousands of TONS of ammunition.
Now to myopic West
is forced into a frantic effort to "re-arm" them so they can at
least try to stand up to the Russians. F------- pathetic.
I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.
https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlink-internet-service
John Savard
"Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine had not Clinton tricked them into giving up
their nukes to Russia and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles, rockets and thousands
of TONS of ammunition. Now to myopic West is forced into a frantic effort to "re-arm" them so they can
at least try to stand up to the Russians. F------- pathetic.
It's basically a race to see which side exhausts their ability to
continue the conflict, with one side being supplied by outsiders,
and the other side . . . not.
On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:22:09 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
"Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine had not Clinton tricked them into giving up
their nukes to Russia and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles, rockets and thousands
of TONS of ammunition. Now to myopic West is forced into a frantic effort to "re-arm" them so they can
at least try to stand up to the Russians. F------- pathetic.
I will agree that, under Clinton, the United States did make incorrect >decisions that contributed to the current crisis.
Every administration has done a poor job of dealing with Russia. But
nothing comes close to what Trump did... being Putin's puppet and
actively enabling that corrupt regime. What is happening now is a
direct consequence of Putin's control of Trump.
On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:15:16 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:
Every administration has done a poor job of dealing with Russia. But
nothing comes close to what Trump did... being Putin's puppet and
actively enabling that corrupt regime. What is happening now is a
direct consequence of Putin's control of Trump.
I can blame Trump for Afghanistan, and I agree Trump was Putin's
puppet, but to me it does not appear that if we had a run-of-the-mill >administration like that of Joe Biden in place during the Trump years >instead, anything would necessarily be different now as regards
Russia invading the Ukraine.
It's not "the Ukraine", it's simply "Ukraine", and has been since its independence in 1991:
On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:54:45 PM UTC-7, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
It's basically a race to see which side exhausts their ability to
continue the conflict, with one side being supplied by outsiders,
and the other side . . . not.
The only reason the Ukraine is able to fight at all is because Russia
held off on its initial missile attacks on the Ukraine.
On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:54:45 PM UTC-7, Ninapenda
Jibini wrote:
It's basically a race to see which side exhausts their ability
to continue the conflict, with one side being supplied by
outsiders, and the other side . . . not.
The only reason the Ukraine is able to fight at all is because
Russia held off on its initial missile attacks on the Ukraine.
While things look good at the moment - the Russian troops have
low morale, while the Ukrainians are fighting for their lives -
Russia has conventional missiles and air superiority
with which
it _could_ dramatically change the balance of the conflict, if
it isn't too concerned about the... propaganda implications.
Fighting a war of aggression when half your country's foreign
exchange reserves happen to be in banks located in countries
that disapprove... also happens to be a less than clever move.
So far, the Ruble has lost 30% of its value.
the Russian man in the street mildly annoyed. We are _not_
seeing desperate frenzied mobs of starving masses trying to
overthrow the government with their bare hands just yet.
So which is more likely -
a) The Russian military decides it's had enough, and overthrows
Putin in a coup.
b) Putin withdraws Russian forces from the Ukraine, and steps
down as Russia's leader for the good of the country.
c) Putin ramps up military operations in the Ukraine so as to
turn the tide of the conflict in his favor.
Sadly, my money's on (c). The agony of the Ukrainian people is
not over by a long shot. And there's very little we can do about
it.
Which is why we should have made it impossible _while we still
could_, long before this happened.
By bringing the Ukraine into
the American defense perimeter
- ideally, after the Crimean
incursion, and certainly after Russia entered the Eastern
Ukraine *after having told us he had no more ambitions in the
Ukraine*.
The fact that he *lied* to us should have been recognized
as a very strong indication that the full invasion that's
happening now would be coming later.
So line the borders with American troops, so that we're the ones
who gets to tell Putin that if he tries something, the nukes
fly. Instead, Putin has the _fait accompli_ and we have to bow
to such threats.
On Monday, 28 February 2022 at 01:54:45 UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d58a305b-bbc1-4c41...@googlegroups.com:
On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 12:54:32 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.
https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlin
k-internet-service
John Savard
Hardly. That 17 mile long convoy of tanks and trucks could be dealt with by the American air force in about 2 hours. It's going to destroy the Ukraine because frankly, molotov cocktails don't work on tanks..."Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine hadThose would be nukes they have no operational control over, which
not Clinton tricked them into giving up their nukes to Russia
is to say, mildly hazardous paperweights?
and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles,They seem to be pretty well armed now.
rockets and thousands of TONS of ammunition.
RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d58a305b-bbc1-4c41...@googlegroups.com:
On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 12:54:32 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.
https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlin
k-internet-service
John Savard
"Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine hadThose would be nukes they have no operational control over, which
not Clinton tricked them into giving up their nukes to Russia
is to say, mildly hazardous paperweights?
and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles,They seem to be pretty well armed now.
rockets and thousands of TONS of ammunition.
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