• Elon Musk Has Won.

    From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to All on Sun Feb 27 09:54:30 2022
    I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.

    https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlink-internet-service

    John Savard

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  • From Al Jacks@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Sun Feb 27 17:21:46 2022
    On 2/27/22 12:54, Quadibloc wrote:
    I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.

    https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlink-internet-service

    John Savard

    Oh boy, don't get the whiner started.

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  • From Ninapenda Jibini@21:1/5 to RichA on Mon Feb 28 06:54:42 2022
    RichA <rander3128@gmail.com> wrote in news:d58a305b-bbc1-4c41-8065-dd31b3912c4dn@googlegroups.com:

    On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 12:54:32 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
    I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.

    https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlin
    k-internet-service

    John Savard

    "Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine had
    not Clinton tricked them into giving up their nukes to Russia

    Those would be nukes they have no operational control over, which
    is to say, mildly hazardous paperweights?

    and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles,
    rockets and thousands of TONS of ammunition.

    They seem to be pretty well armed now.

    Now to myopic West
    is forced into a frantic effort to "re-arm" them so they can at
    least try to stand up to the Russians. F------- pathetic.

    Since the Russians have yet to achieve a single one of their first
    day objectives, and there are increasingly credible reports of
    mutiny among the Russian troops, I'd say they're doing pretty well
    so far.

    It's basically a race to see which side exhausts their ability to
    continue the conflict, with one side being supplied by outsiders,
    and the other side . . . not.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration


    "Terry Austin: like the polio vaccine, only with more asshole."
    -- David Bilek

    Jesus forgives sinners, not criminals.

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Sun Feb 27 22:22:07 2022
    On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 12:54:32 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
    I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.

    https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlink-internet-service

    John Savard

    "Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine had not Clinton tricked them into giving up
    their nukes to Russia and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles, rockets and thousands
    of TONS of ammunition. Now to myopic West is forced into a frantic effort to "re-arm" them so they can
    at least try to stand up to the Russians. F------- pathetic.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to RichA on Mon Feb 28 04:42:52 2022
    On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:22:09 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:

    "Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine had not Clinton tricked them into giving up
    their nukes to Russia and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles, rockets and thousands
    of TONS of ammunition. Now to myopic West is forced into a frantic effort to "re-arm" them so they can
    at least try to stand up to the Russians. F------- pathetic.

    I will agree that, under Clinton, the United States did make incorrect decisions that contributed to the current crisis.

    However, not the ones you cite.

    When Russia was our ally, it certainly was unfortunate that a couple
    of economists from Harvard went over there and gave them very bad
    advice which led to Putin being able to take power. But that could not
    have been anticipated in order to be prevented.

    However, according to a TIME magazine article during that period,
    the People's Republic of China had exactly one submarine armed with
    nuclear missiles _which was in dock for repairs_.

    If true...

    the United States should have taken the following steps:

    1) Carry out a pre-emptive nuclear strike against China.

    2) Carry out regime change in China.

    3) Now that Russia would no longer face a threat from a
    nuclear-armed China, enter into an arrangement in which Russia
    recieves economic assistance from the United States in return
    for completely scrapping its nuclear capability.

    4) Now that India would no longer face a threat from a nuclear-armed
    China, dissuade it from developing nuclear weapons, so that Pakistan
    will not feel threatened and develop its own nuclear capability.

    This would have eliminated the possibility of terrorists getting nukes
    from Pakistan, and of the Chinese communist regime threatening the
    United States, and of any future Russian regime, if its nascent
    democracy under Boris Yeltsin failed to endure, threatening the free
    countries of the world.

    We would have finally had a return to the stable, peaceful
    world order that existed prior to 1914.

    John Savard

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Ninapenda Jibini on Mon Feb 28 04:53:31 2022
    On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:54:45 PM UTC-7, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:

    It's basically a race to see which side exhausts their ability to
    continue the conflict, with one side being supplied by outsiders,
    and the other side . . . not.

    The only reason the Ukraine is able to fight at all is because Russia
    held off on its initial missile attacks on the Ukraine.

    While things look good at the moment - the Russian troops have
    low morale, while the Ukrainians are fighting for their lives -
    Russia has conventional missiles and air superiority with which
    it _could_ dramatically change the balance of the conflict, if it isn't
    too concerned about the... propaganda implications.

    Fighting a war of aggression when half your country's foreign
    exchange reserves happen to be in banks located in countries that
    disapprove... also happens to be a less than clever move.

    So far, the Ruble has lost 30% of its value. But that just makes the
    Russian man in the street mildly annoyed. We are _not_ seeing
    desperate frenzied mobs of starving masses trying to overthrow the
    government with their bare hands just yet.

    So which is more likely -

    a) The Russian military decides it's had enough, and overthrows
    Putin in a coup.

    b) Putin withdraws Russian forces from the Ukraine, and steps down
    as Russia's leader for the good of the country.

    c) Putin ramps up military operations in the Ukraine so as to turn
    the tide of the conflict in his favor.

    Sadly, my money's on (c). The agony of the Ukrainian people is not
    over by a long shot. And there's very little we can do about it.

    Which is why we should have made it impossible _while we still
    could_, long before this happened. By bringing the Ukraine into the
    American defense perimeter - ideally, after the Crimean incursion,
    and certainly after Russia entered the Eastern Ukraine *after having
    told us he had no more ambitions in the Ukraine*.

    The fact that he *lied* to us should have been recognized
    as a very strong indication that the full invasion that's happening
    now would be coming later.

    So line the borders with American troops, so that we're the ones
    who gets to tell Putin that if he tries something, the nukes fly. Instead, Putin has the _fait accompli_ and we have to bow to
    such threats.

    John Savard

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Mon Feb 28 07:15:12 2022
    On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 04:42:52 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:22:09 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:

    "Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine had not Clinton tricked them into giving up
    their nukes to Russia and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles, rockets and thousands
    of TONS of ammunition. Now to myopic West is forced into a frantic effort to "re-arm" them so they can
    at least try to stand up to the Russians. F------- pathetic.

    I will agree that, under Clinton, the United States did make incorrect >decisions that contributed to the current crisis.

    Every administration has done a poor job of dealing with Russia. But
    nothing comes close to what Trump did... being Putin's puppet and
    actively enabling that corrupt regime. What is happening now is a
    direct consequence of Putin's control of Trump.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Mon Feb 28 06:56:57 2022
    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:15:16 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    Every administration has done a poor job of dealing with Russia. But
    nothing comes close to what Trump did... being Putin's puppet and
    actively enabling that corrupt regime. What is happening now is a
    direct consequence of Putin's control of Trump.

    I can blame Trump for Afghanistan, and I agree Trump was Putin's
    puppet, but to me it does not appear that if we had a run-of-the-mill administration like that of Joe Biden in place during the Trump years
    instead, anything would necessarily be different now as regards
    Russia invading the Ukraine.

    John Savard

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?fred__k._engels=C2=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Mon Feb 28 07:15:07 2022
    Prime Minister Justin Blackface has just tweeted his condolences
    So, How's that pretty picture astro photography horseshit® working out for
    ya?

    https://twitter.com/davidkurten/status/1495343873538801667/photo/1

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Mon Feb 28 08:16:53 2022
    On Mon, 28 Feb 2022 06:56:57 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 7:15:16 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    Every administration has done a poor job of dealing with Russia. But
    nothing comes close to what Trump did... being Putin's puppet and
    actively enabling that corrupt regime. What is happening now is a
    direct consequence of Putin's control of Trump.

    I can blame Trump for Afghanistan, and I agree Trump was Putin's
    puppet, but to me it does not appear that if we had a run-of-the-mill >administration like that of Joe Biden in place during the Trump years >instead, anything would necessarily be different now as regards
    Russia invading the Ukraine.

    If we had not had Trump, we would still have a State Department, we
    would still have professional diplomats. If we had not had Trump, we
    would not have a Putin that has substantial control over the U.S.
    citizenry and U.S. politics. If we could set the clock back 5 years,
    there is every reason to think things would look very different today.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Michael F. Stemper on Mon Feb 28 08:10:56 2022
    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 8:48:51 AM UTC-7, Michael F. Stemper wrote:

    It's not "the Ukraine", it's simply "Ukraine", and has been since its independence in 1991:

    And here I've been waiting for them to change their name from "the Ukraine"
    to "Ukrainia".

    John Savard

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  • From Michael F. Stemper@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Mon Feb 28 09:48:40 2022
    On 28/02/2022 06.53, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:54:45 PM UTC-7, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:

    It's basically a race to see which side exhausts their ability to
    continue the conflict, with one side being supplied by outsiders,
    and the other side . . . not.

    The only reason the Ukraine is able to fight at all is because Russia
    held off on its initial missile attacks on the Ukraine.

    It's not "the Ukraine", it's simply "Ukraine", and has been since its independence in 1991:

    <https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-18233844>

    --
    Michael F. Stemper
    Isaiah 58:6-7

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  • From Jibini Kula Tumbili Kujisalimisha@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Mon Feb 28 13:57:37 2022
    Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote in news:2daf913d-91bb-42b4-9c97-a5e978217096n@googlegroups.com:

    On Sunday, February 27, 2022 at 11:54:45 PM UTC-7, Ninapenda
    Jibini wrote:

    It's basically a race to see which side exhausts their ability
    to continue the conflict, with one side being supplied by
    outsiders, and the other side . . . not.

    The only reason the Ukraine is able to fight at all is because
    Russia held off on its initial missile attacks on the Ukraine.

    Perhaps because they know their missiles don't work too well. Or
    perhaps they're afraid of outright mutinty if they give those
    orders.

    You don't know.

    While things look good at the moment - the Russian troops have
    low morale, while the Ukrainians are fighting for their lives -
    Russia has conventional missiles and air superiority

    No, they really don't have air superiority. And whatever edge they
    have is evaporating, as more and more countries send more and more
    planes, which will be, apparently, based in Poland, which *is* a
    member of NATO. Attack that, and Article 5 is automatically
    invoked. Failure on the part of the US to meet its NATO obligations
    will see the end of the Democratic Party for generations.

    with which
    it _could_ dramatically change the balance of the conflict, if
    it isn't too concerned about the... propaganda implications.

    Unless the Russian economy collapses completely, and the troops in
    Ukraine - which are already abandoning equiopment, including
    *tanks*, because they lack supplies - surrender because the other
    side will at least be able to feed them. (Remember the Gulf War?)

    Fighting a war of aggression when half your country's foreign
    exchange reserves happen to be in banks located in countries
    that disapprove... also happens to be a less than clever move.

    Quite a few people who are experts in their field, who know Putin
    personally, are beginning to question his mental competence. I
    haven't seen the words "lost his shit" yet, but there are people
    saying the same thing in more polite terms.

    So far, the Ruble has lost 30% of its value.

    And their state bank just raised interest rates to 20%.

    But that just makes
    the Russian man in the street mildly annoyed. We are _not_
    seeing desperate frenzied mobs of starving masses trying to
    overthrow the government with their bare hands just yet.

    Yet is a very big word for so few letters.

    So which is more likely -

    a) The Russian military decides it's had enough, and overthrows
    Putin in a coup.

    b) Putin withdraws Russian forces from the Ukraine, and steps
    down as Russia's leader for the good of the country.

    c) Putin ramps up military operations in the Ukraine so as to
    turn the tide of the conflict in his favor.

    Sadly, my money's on (c). The agony of the Ukrainian people is
    not over by a long shot. And there's very little we can do about
    it.

    Orders for (c) may well lead to (a). There's rumors of mutinous
    units *now* .

    Which is why we should have made it impossible _while we still
    could_, long before this happened.

    You keep using that word "we." I do not think it means what you
    think it means. Canada *never* could have done anything to even get
    Putin's attention. And the US is run by people who are either
    criminally incompetent and corrupt, or actively in the pay of
    Russia. It's hard to tell the difference any more.

    By bringing the Ukraine into
    the American defense perimeter

    They had the opportunity to join NATO, and said no. Would you
    literally invade and conquer them to *force* them in? I supposed
    you would, in your insane, violent fantasy world.

    - ideally, after the Crimean
    incursion, and certainly after Russia entered the Eastern
    Ukraine *after having told us he had no more ambitions in the
    Ukraine*.

    I will note that this invasion, and the siezure of Crimea, both
    occured during Democratic adminstrations. It's almost like Putin
    knows what cowardly, sycophant weasels the left are.

    The fact that he *lied* to us should have been recognized
    as a very strong indication that the full invasion that's
    happening now would be coming later.

    What leads you to believe it wasn't? What leads you to believe the
    current US administration doesn't actively approve of what Putin's
    doing? Certainly none of their actions suggest that.

    So line the borders with American troops, so that we're the ones
    who gets to tell Putin that if he tries something, the nukes
    fly. Instead, Putin has the _fait accompli_ and we have to bow
    to such threats.

    Democrats have been sucking Putin's dick for years, and love the
    taste.

    --
    Terry Austin

    Proof that Alan Baker is a liar and a fool, and even stupider than
    Lynn:
    https://www.cbp.gov/newsroom/stats/sw-border-migration
    (May 2019 total for people arrested for entering the United States
    illegally is over 132,000 for just the southwest border.)

    Vacation photos from Iceland:
    https://plus.google.com/u/0/collection/QaXQkB

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Mon Feb 28 15:47:57 2022
    On Monday, February 28, 2022 at 3:32:43 PM UTC-8, RichA wrote:
    On Monday, 28 February 2022 at 01:54:45 UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
    RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d58a305b-bbc1-4c41...@googlegroups.com:
    On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 12:54:32 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
    I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.

    https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlin
    k-internet-service

    John Savard

    "Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine had
    not Clinton tricked them into giving up their nukes to Russia
    Those would be nukes they have no operational control over, which
    is to say, mildly hazardous paperweights?
    and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles,
    rockets and thousands of TONS of ammunition.
    They seem to be pretty well armed now.
    Hardly. That 17 mile long convoy of tanks and trucks could be dealt with by the American air force in about 2 hours. It's going to destroy the Ukraine because frankly, molotov cocktails don't work on tanks...

    Hardly, because protected by Russian air defenses!
    You're thinking of Kuwait, where the Iraq army was pulling out hastily without air cover, exposed to attack!

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  • From RichA@21:1/5 to Ninapenda Jibini on Mon Feb 28 15:32:39 2022
    On Monday, 28 February 2022 at 01:54:45 UTC-5, Ninapenda Jibini wrote:
    RichA <rande...@gmail.com> wrote in news:d58a305b-bbc1-4c41...@googlegroups.com:
    On Sunday, 27 February 2022 at 12:54:32 UTC-5, Quadibloc wrote:
    I'm afraid that opposing Starlink is now futile.

    https://hothardware.com/news/musk-lights-up-ukraine-with-starlin
    k-internet-service

    John Savard

    "Lights up the Ukraine." The Ukraine would have been fine had
    not Clinton tricked them into giving up their nukes to Russia
    Those would be nukes they have no operational control over, which
    is to say, mildly hazardous paperweights?
    and Obama had goaded them into destroying over 50,000 rifles,
    rockets and thousands of TONS of ammunition.
    They seem to be pretty well armed now.

    Hardly. That 17 mile long convoy of tanks and trucks could be dealt with by the American air force in about 2 hours. It's going to destroy the Ukraine because frankly, molotov cocktails don't work on tanks...

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  • From =?iso-8859-1?Q?fred__k._engels=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Sat Mar 5 06:49:17 2022
    WONDERFUL NEWS!!!!!!!!!!!
    Elon Musk TIME's 2021 Person of the Year and a God to the horseshit® pretty picture astro photographers but also a
    BELOVED friend of astronomy has just launched
    another massive number of new satellites!!!!!!!!!!!!

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EoAHdwGBvU

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