• At some point, Starlink satellites could prevent ANY space travel

    From RichA@21:1/5 to All on Fri Sep 16 17:20:18 2022
    At the point where most of the 23,000 are smashed into debris via abandonment and impacts with themselves or other satellites. In 2009, an iridium satellite hit a derelict Russkie satellite at 42,000km/h and created enough chafe to cover a large area.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to RichA on Fri Sep 16 19:43:26 2022
    On Friday, September 16, 2022 at 5:20:19 PM UTC-7, RichA wrote:
    At the point where most of the 23,000 are smashed into debris via abandonment and impacts with themselves or other satellites. In 2009, an iridium satellite hit a derelict Russkie satellite at 42,000km/h and created enough chafe to cover a large area.

    Wait till the Ruskis, Chines and the US (NATO) start flexing more muscle over Ukraine and start shooting down each other's sats?
    Start praying and buy your own underground survivor shelter for the family!

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to RichA on Sat Sep 17 11:24:41 2022
    On 9/16/22 8:20 PM, RichA wrote:
    At the point where most of the 23,000 are smashed into debris via abandonment and impacts with themselves or other satellites. In 2009, an iridium satellite hit a derelict Russkie satellite at 42,000km/h and created enough chafe to cover a large area.


    I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
    fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
    reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
    concerned with technology as we know it today.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Sun Sep 18 11:29:49 2022
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:

    I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
    fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
    reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
    concerned with technology as we know it today.

    That would be a bad thing, at least for the 90% of the population that
    is going to be 'reduced'. Surely humanity can take the necessary
    action to prevent this from happening.

    John Savard

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Sun Sep 18 19:29:00 2022
    On 9/18/22 2:29 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:

    I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
    fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
    reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
    concerned with technology as we know it today.

    That would be a bad thing, at least for the 90% of the population that
    is going to be 'reduced'. Surely humanity can take the necessary
    action to prevent this from happening.

    John Savard

    It's not happening. Humanity has had many decades to undo what it has
    done to the environment, economies, and population. It has chosen not
    to sacrifice anything for something better. Once the world economy
    collapses, food runs short, and disease and starvation take hold, along
    with many past plagues and diseases returning, it will only be a matter
    of time before the population minimizes. Once that happens, and things gradually return to normal, civilization will begin again but this time
    it will be different after truly learning from past experiences.

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Sun Sep 18 17:07:01 2022
    On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 4:29:05 PM UTC-7, wAYNE wrote:
    On 9/18/22 2:29 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:

    I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
    fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
    reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
    concerned with technology as we know it today.

    That would be a bad thing, at least for the 90% of the population that
    is going to be 'reduced'. Surely humanity can take the necessary
    action to prevent this from happening.

    John Savard
    It's not happening. Humanity has had many decades to undo what it has
    done to the environment, economies, and population. It has chosen not
    to sacrifice anything for something better. Once the world economy collapses, food runs short, and disease and starvation take hold, along
    with many past plagues and diseases returning, it will only be a matter
    of time before the population minimizes. Once that happens, and things gradually return to normal, civilization will begin again but this time
    it will be different after truly learning from past experiences.

    This is the funniest joke I ever heard! 🤣😂😁
    it will be different after truly learning from past experiences<<

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Sun Sep 18 19:11:11 2022
    On Sun, 18 Sep 2022 11:29:49 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Saturday, September 17, 2022 at 9:24:44 AM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:

    I wouldn't worry about it. The world is about to renew itself with
    fresh, clean air, reduction of global warming, and 90% population
    reduction. Once that happens, the new population won't even be
    concerned with technology as we know it today.

    That would be a bad thing, at least for the 90% of the population that
    is going to be 'reduced'. Surely humanity can take the necessary
    action to prevent this from happening.

    I see little to suggest that "humanity" is doing much to avert
    disaster. I don't know that we'll see a 90% population reduction, but
    we're increasingly likely to see billions fall into pre-technological
    squalor, and the end of democratic systems in the developed nations
    (which themselves will see millions of deaths).

    Averting this would require a concerted effort by the largest
    countries in the world, along with an investment of trillions of
    dollars, in probably little more than one more decade. I'm doubtful
    this will happen.

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 19 18:49:53 2022
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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 19 18:57:18 2022
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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Mon Sep 19 20:14:37 2022
    On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:11:15 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    Averting this would require a concerted effort by the largest
    countries in the world, along with an investment of trillions of
    dollars, in probably little more than one more decade. I'm doubtful
    this will happen.

    It's true there seems to be no sign of real action.

    As I've noted, action is possible without major sacrifices in the standard of living. Switch to nuclear power from fossil fuels for electricity. Switch to trolley buses for as much travel as possible; use methyl alcohol for carbon-neutral
    fuel that doesn't compete with food production for everything else.

    Then, unless greenhouse gases from meat production are _still_ enough to cause disaster, the problem is solved with almost no sacrifices.

    John Savard

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Mon Sep 19 20:11:31 2022
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:

    Oh, never mind. I see you meant my last sentence.

    It is true that history shows civilizations have collapsed many times
    from resource overuse.

    However, no civilization until ours has reached our level of technological competence. We can see the consequences of our mistakes. We had one
    bit of bad luck - Russia getting hold of nukes after the end of World War
    II - which is preventing effective international cooperation.

    John Savard

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to jsavard@ecn.ab.ca on Tue Sep 20 06:03:17 2022
    On Mon, 19 Sep 2022 20:14:37 -0700 (PDT), Quadibloc
    <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> wrote:

    On Sunday, September 18, 2022 at 7:11:15 PM UTC-6, Chris L Peterson wrote:

    Averting this would require a concerted effort by the largest
    countries in the world, along with an investment of trillions of
    dollars, in probably little more than one more decade. I'm doubtful
    this will happen.

    It's true there seems to be no sign of real action.

    As I've noted, action is possible without major sacrifices in the standard of >living. Switch to nuclear power from fossil fuels for electricity. Switch to >trolley buses for as much travel as possible; use methyl alcohol for carbon-neutral
    fuel that doesn't compete with food production for everything else.

    Then, unless greenhouse gases from meat production are _still_ enough to cause >disaster, the problem is solved with almost no sacrifices.

    John Savard

    Nuclear isn't going to happen. Way, way too expensive and way too
    difficult to implement in the little time we have left. Solar is the
    answer, but we have to move now. It is easily within our means, both technologically and economically. But I doubt it will happen fast
    enough.

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to Quadibloc on Tue Sep 20 11:03:20 2022
    On 9/19/22 11:11 PM, Quadibloc wrote:
    On Monday, September 19, 2022 at 4:57:22 PM UTC-6, wAYNE wrote:

    Oh, never mind. I see you meant my last sentence.

    It is true that history shows civilizations have collapsed many times
    from resource overuse.

    True.


    However, no civilization until ours has reached our level of technological competence. We can see the consequences of our mistakes. We had one
    bit of bad luck - Russia getting hold of nukes after the end of World War
    II - which is preventing effective international cooperation.

    Exactly why this time, we'll truly learn from our mistakes and not
    repeat history unlike all previous times. Our technology and population division (whether it be race, religion, politics... you name it) are
    what's helping to fuel the eventual state of humanity's final population.


    John Savard

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  • From =?iso-8859-1?Q?fred__k._engels=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 20 11:43:59 2022
    Prime Minister Justin Blackface Trudeau tweeted KidOrion is a goddamn
    fucking prick cocksucker shithead who jerks off uncontrollably over pretty picture astro photography
    horseshit imaging from his observatory!!!!!!

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  • From =?UTF-8?Q?fred__k._engels=C2=AE?=@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 21 05:33:03 2022
    Starlink ludicrous "controversy" among the fucking prick cocksucker
    shithead® pretty picture astro photography horseshit®, "astronomers"

    Despite the promise of pretty picture astro photography horseshit®, SpaceX
    has taken "criticism" within the fucking prick cocksucker shithead® astronomical "community" for its Starlink satellites, due to their vast brightness and ridiculous potential to disrupt them jerking off
    uncontrollably over pretty picture horseshit® "observations" of the night
    sky.

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