• Re: German meteor strike, real or not?

    From wAYNE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 8 16:06:40 2022
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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to All on Sat Oct 8 15:54:32 2022
    Not sure about this one. Was it confirmed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-NwbYAGI0

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  • From StarDust@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Sat Oct 8 19:47:35 2022
    On Saturday, October 8, 2022 at 12:54:35 PM UTC-7, wAYNE wrote:
    Not sure about this one. Was it confirmed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-NwbYAGI0

    It’s fake, because the dinosaurs are still alive!

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to wAYNE on Sun Oct 9 07:12:34 2022
    On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 15:54:32 -0400, wAYNE <none@nowhere.net> wrote:

    Not sure about this one. Was it confirmed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-NwbYAGI0

    Totally fake. That's not what a real strike would look like.

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Sun Oct 9 15:46:09 2022
    On 10/9/22 9:12 AM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 15:54:32 -0400, wAYNE <none@nowhere.net> wrote:

    Not sure about this one. Was it confirmed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-NwbYAGI0

    Totally fake. That's not what a real strike would look like.

    Good point and I realized it was a fabrication after reading the maker's description. I wonder if an actual impact has ever been recorded? I
    mean, we have the super bright and larger ones like the Russian one a
    few years ago, but no impact video from that that I know of.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Sun Oct 9 14:57:42 2022
    On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 15:46:09 -0400, wAYNE <wayne34@no_verizon.net>
    wrote:

    On 10/9/22 9:12 AM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 15:54:32 -0400, wAYNE <none@nowhere.net> wrote:

    Not sure about this one. Was it confirmed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-NwbYAGI0

    Totally fake. That's not what a real strike would look like.

    Good point and I realized it was a fabrication after reading the maker's >description. I wonder if an actual impact has ever been recorded? I
    mean, we have the super bright and larger ones like the Russian one a
    few years ago, but no impact video from that that I know of.

    Meteorites hit the ground cold and slow (like throwing a rock off a
    cliff). I don't think any have ever been caught on video. A fall would
    be almost impossible to see even if there was a camera on it at the
    time.

    What this video simulates (badly) is a meteor that impacts while still
    carrying a good fraction of its initial speed. In this case, it would
    be traveling at least several kilometers per second. The body would
    have to be several meters across at impact to survive to the ground
    with that speed. It would produce a crater on land (which ordinary
    meteorite falls cannot do). No such impact as ever been recorded. The
    thermal flashes of meteoroid crashes on the lunar surface are
    regularly recorded.

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Mon Oct 10 10:47:03 2022
    On 10/9/22 4:57 PM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 15:46:09 -0400, wAYNE <wayne34@no_verizon.net>
    wrote:

    On 10/9/22 9:12 AM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 15:54:32 -0400, wAYNE <none@nowhere.net> wrote:

    Not sure about this one. Was it confirmed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-NwbYAGI0

    Totally fake. That's not what a real strike would look like.

    Good point and I realized it was a fabrication after reading the maker's
    description. I wonder if an actual impact has ever been recorded? I
    mean, we have the super bright and larger ones like the Russian one a
    few years ago, but no impact video from that that I know of.

    Meteorites hit the ground cold and slow (like throwing a rock off a
    cliff). I don't think any have ever been caught on video. A fall would
    be almost impossible to see even if there was a camera on it at the
    time.

    What this video simulates (badly) is a meteor that impacts while still carrying a good fraction of its initial speed. In this case, it would
    be traveling at least several kilometers per second. The body would
    have to be several meters across at impact to survive to the ground
    with that speed. It would produce a crater on land (which ordinary
    meteorite falls cannot do). No such impact as ever been recorded. The
    thermal flashes of meteoroid crashes on the lunar surface are
    regularly recorded.

    I agree. I think the video would have been better made with a
    conventional explosive simulation of some sort and not something
    inbound. It sort of reminds me of the explosion that happened in Beirut
    a few years back at the fireworks(?) factory.

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  • From Chris L Peterson@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 10 10:44:24 2022
    On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 10:47:03 -0400, wAYNE <wayne34@no_verizon.net>
    wrote:

    On 10/9/22 4:57 PM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 15:46:09 -0400, wAYNE <wayne34@no_verizon.net>
    wrote:

    On 10/9/22 9:12 AM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 15:54:32 -0400, wAYNE <none@nowhere.net> wrote:

    Not sure about this one. Was it confirmed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-NwbYAGI0

    Totally fake. That's not what a real strike would look like.

    Good point and I realized it was a fabrication after reading the maker's >>> description. I wonder if an actual impact has ever been recorded? I
    mean, we have the super bright and larger ones like the Russian one a
    few years ago, but no impact video from that that I know of.

    Meteorites hit the ground cold and slow (like throwing a rock off a
    cliff). I don't think any have ever been caught on video. A fall would
    be almost impossible to see even if there was a camera on it at the
    time.

    What this video simulates (badly) is a meteor that impacts while still
    carrying a good fraction of its initial speed. In this case, it would
    be traveling at least several kilometers per second. The body would
    have to be several meters across at impact to survive to the ground
    with that speed. It would produce a crater on land (which ordinary
    meteorite falls cannot do). No such impact as ever been recorded. The
    thermal flashes of meteoroid crashes on the lunar surface are
    regularly recorded.

    I agree. I think the video would have been better made with a
    conventional explosive simulation of some sort and not something
    inbound. It sort of reminds me of the explosion that happened in Beirut
    a few years back at the fireworks(?) factory.

    Just to run a back-of-the-envelope calculation, given about the
    smallest possible size for the impactor of 10 cubic meters, a density
    of 3000 kg/m^2 (typical of stony meteorites), and a speed of 5 km/s
    (any slower and we'd not still have ablation going on), we get a
    kinetic energy of 4e11 joules, which is equivalent to 100 tons of TNT.
    So, I think, a much larger explosion that we see in the video.

    Also, given approximately a second from the impact to the shock wave,
    the impact was only a few hundred meters away from the camera! There
    would have been a massive atmospheric shockwave (as we saw from the
    Chelyabinsk event), and if you were that close to a 100 ton TNT
    explosion, you'd probably be inside the fireball.

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  • From wAYNE@21:1/5 to Chris L Peterson on Mon Oct 10 15:40:06 2022
    On 10/10/22 12:44 PM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 10:47:03 -0400, wAYNE <wayne34@no_verizon.net>
    wrote:

    On 10/9/22 4:57 PM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sun, 9 Oct 2022 15:46:09 -0400, wAYNE <wayne34@no_verizon.net>
    wrote:

    On 10/9/22 9:12 AM, Chris L Peterson wrote:
    On Sat, 8 Oct 2022 15:54:32 -0400, wAYNE <none@nowhere.net> wrote:

    Not sure about this one. Was it confirmed?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Km-NwbYAGI0

    Totally fake. That's not what a real strike would look like.

    Good point and I realized it was a fabrication after reading the maker's >>>> description. I wonder if an actual impact has ever been recorded? I
    mean, we have the super bright and larger ones like the Russian one a
    few years ago, but no impact video from that that I know of.

    Meteorites hit the ground cold and slow (like throwing a rock off a
    cliff). I don't think any have ever been caught on video. A fall would
    be almost impossible to see even if there was a camera on it at the
    time.

    What this video simulates (badly) is a meteor that impacts while still
    carrying a good fraction of its initial speed. In this case, it would
    be traveling at least several kilometers per second. The body would
    have to be several meters across at impact to survive to the ground
    with that speed. It would produce a crater on land (which ordinary
    meteorite falls cannot do). No such impact as ever been recorded. The
    thermal flashes of meteoroid crashes on the lunar surface are
    regularly recorded.

    I agree. I think the video would have been better made with a
    conventional explosive simulation of some sort and not something
    inbound. It sort of reminds me of the explosion that happened in Beirut
    a few years back at the fireworks(?) factory.

    Just to run a back-of-the-envelope calculation, given about the
    smallest possible size for the impactor of 10 cubic meters, a density
    of 3000 kg/m^2 (typical of stony meteorites), and a speed of 5 km/s
    (any slower and we'd not still have ablation going on), we get a
    kinetic energy of 4e11 joules, which is equivalent to 100 tons of TNT.
    So, I think, a much larger explosion that we see in the video.

    Also, given approximately a second from the impact to the shock wave,
    the impact was only a few hundred meters away from the camera! There
    would have been a massive atmospheric shockwave (as we saw from the Chelyabinsk event), and if you were that close to a 100 ton TNT
    explosion, you'd probably be inside the fireball.

    I guess we have to try applying logic even more today than ever before
    to videography, since so much can be faked. Sometimes it's more
    difficult, especially in the case of something like UFOs, which often
    already start off blurry, but other cases simpler like the video. I do
    admit that it took me by surprise initially until I checked to see if
    anyone else in Germany had caught it on video or reported it, then more carefully read the video description after the fact. Speaking of UFOs,
    I think most are either something atmospheric or lens or other light
    effects interfering with the lens.

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