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    From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 6 11:38:29 2023
    Amazing how treacherous these people are.

    All Humans are equal as a biological fact.

    " We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal..." July 4th, 1776

    Natural Selection insists that all Humans are not equal.

    The Washington Post moderators hate the prescient statement of Frederick Douglass, who saw the emergence of a doctrine that became natural selection in defiance of the founding July 4th declaration-

    " Away, therefore, with all the scientific moonshine that would connect men with monkeys; that would have the world believe that humanity, instead of resting on its own characteristic pedestal — gloriously independent — is a sort of sliding scale,
    making one extreme brother to the ourangou-tang, and the other to angels, and all the rest intermediates!" Frederick Douglass

    So, Declaration of Independence or natural selection?. It seems cowardice prevails and natural selection is chosen.

    "At some future period, not very distant as measured by centuries, the civilised races of man will almost certainly exterminate, and replace, the savage races throughout the world. The break between man and his nearest allies will then be wider, for it
    will intervene between man in a more civilised state, as we may hope, even than the Caucasian, and some ape as low as a baboon, instead of as now between the negro or Australian and the gorilla." -- Charles Darwin (1871) The Descent of Man

    That is the last time I will post there.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to All on Mon Mar 6 17:42:14 2023
    On Monday, March 6, 2023 at 12:38:31 PM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher quoted:

    " Away, therefore, with all the scientific moonshine that would
    connect men with monkeys; that would have the world believe
    that humanity, instead of resting on its own characteristic
    pedestal — gloriously independent — is a sort of sliding scale,
    making one extreme brother to the ourangou-tang, and the other
    to angels, and all the rest intermediates!" Frederick Douglass

    Frederick Douglass was a great and courageous man. However,
    he lived a long time ago, when people did not know as much about
    science as they do now.

    Now we know that the theory of evolution by natural selection, as
    proposed by Charles Darwin, is established fact, as far beyond
    challenge as the sphericity of the Earth or the Copernican theory.

    And, of course, it's your _bete noire_, Isaac Newton, who made
    the Copernican theory unchallengeable, instead of one opinion
    among many.

    If the theory of evolution indeed implied that the races were unequal
    in intelligence, there would be a problem. But it does not. Neither, unfortunately, does it say that they must be equal. It is instead from observation that we can conclude that there are no significant differences
    in intelligence between the races - to the extent that the supposed races
    of mankind even really exist.

    I would suggest to you that you read _The Mismeasure of Man_ by Stephen
    Jay Gould - in which a noted expert on evolution both recounts the sad
    history, of which you appear aware, of attempts to misuse evolution to argue for racial differences and also defends the truth of what we really learn from evolution on this issue.

    John Savard

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Tue Mar 7 00:01:22 2023
    Natural selection is a conviction made possible by both Darwin and Wallace insofar as Wallace had the conviction of favoured/less favoured 'races' while Darwin had a lot of breeding information so a synthesis of both made the terrible notion of natural
    selection possible.

    " In the brain of the lowest savages, and, as far as we yet know, of the pre-historic races, we have an organ so little inferior in size and complexity to that of the highest types (such as the average European), that we must believe it capable, under a
    similar process of gradual development during the space of two or three thousand years, of producing equal average results. But the mental requirements of the lowest savages, such as the Australians or the Andaman islanders, are very little above those
    of many animals. The higher moral faculties and those of pure intellect and refined emotion are useless to them, are rarely if ever manifested, and have no relation to their wants, desires, or well-being. How, then, was an organ developed so far beyond
    the needs of its possessor? Natural selection could only have endowed the savage with a brain a little superior to that of an ape, whereas he actually possesses one but very little inferior to that of the average members of our learned societies" Alfred
    Russel Wallace

    http://people.wku.edu/charles.smith/wallace/S146.htm

    Those who take the time to read the latter part of that discourse will discover that natural selection has nothing to do with evolution but rather a justification for colonial chest-beating at the expense of native cultures.

    Faunal succession as an evolutionary narrative existed long before the Declaration of Independence, where the biological and geological history of the Earth is written in the fossil record found in rock strata.

    I do not know how people can live with themselves for the sake of those who sold themselves to the temptation of cultural superiority.

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Gerald Kelleher on Tue Mar 7 16:07:26 2023
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:24 AM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:
    natural selection has nothing to do with evolution

    Natural selection is, so far, the only plausible explanation known of how evolution
    could happen. "Faunal succession", whatever that is supposed to mean, only notes
    that evolution did happen, it does not give a physical cause for it.

    John Savard

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  • From Quadibloc@21:1/5 to Gerald Kelleher on Tue Mar 7 16:35:11 2023
    On Tuesday, March 7, 2023 at 1:01:24 AM UTC-7, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

    Faunal succession as an evolutionary narrative

    Oh, dear. At first I missed this vital clue to where you have gone wrong.

    It takes natural selection to *explain* the phenomenon of evolution.

    Similarly, it takes Newton's Theory of Universal Gravitation to *explain* the motions of the bodies in our Solar System.

    But you don't think we _need_ explanations. As far as you're concerned, it's okay for the planets to be pushed around by angels, and the Copernican
    theory just means they don't have to make the effort of figuring out the epicycles
    themselves.

    Similarly, if in different ages, the Earth had different forms of life on it, well, that's
    just how God wanted it. We have a narrative, we don't need a theory!

    I'm sorry, but science does not work that way. Scientists can believe that there is
    a God, they can be religious, but they can't just assume the miraculous when it is
    not needed.

    John Savard

    John Savard

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  • From Gerald Kelleher@21:1/5 to All on Wed Mar 8 00:16:19 2023
    In order to stem the damage created by natural selection, geneticists have recently apologised for eugenics even though it fits inside the umbrella of natural selection-

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2023/01/24/geneticists-eugenics-apology/

    They are trying to bury the narrative of natural selection as it originally existed; however, they are bound to fail in this endeavour considering the role natural selection played in the Holocaust-

    " Under proper guidance, in the course of the final solution, the Jews are to be allocated for appropriate labour in the East. Able-bodied Jews, separated according to sex, will be taken in large work columns to these areas for work on roads, in the
    course of which action doubtless a large portion will be eliminated by natural causes. The possible final remnant will, since it will undoubtedly consist of the most resistant portion, have to be treated accordingly because it is the product of natural
    selection and would, if released, act as the seed of a new Jewish revival." Wannsee Conference, 1942

    The Nazis, through a fictional Aryan 'race', reheated natural selection as it appealed to the dominance of the equally fictional Anglo-Saxon 'race' -

    "It is very true what you say about the higher races of men, when high enough, replacing & clearing off the lower races. In 500 years how the Anglo-Saxon race will have spread & exterminated whole nations; & in consequence how much the Human race, viewed
    as a unit, will have risen in rank." Darwin, 1862

    Thanks to the other contributor for the information. Although I approach the topic from a different perspective as a synthesis, there is much more to say on the matter as evolution via faunal succession does not require anything other than simpler
    lifeforms once existed on Earth and that the history of the biological and geological history of the Earth is written that way-

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_faunal_succession

    Natural selection is a colonial expansion excuse, nothing more or less and my goodness, have people of the planet paid dearly for that atrocity.

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