I grew up in Ireland on a group of islands on the Western Atlantic that come under the influence of the Gulf Stream made possible by zonal flows, continental geography, the planet's rotation, latitude and multiple other inputs to give islands in Northern
Europe a mild maritime climate.

I see these people at each other's throats based on climate change or climate change hoax based on the attempt to railroad the Earth science of climate into one thing, in this case, long-term weather. The idea that the relative success of short-term
weather modelling success using computers transfers to climate as long-term computer modelling as the Earth science of climate is as bad as the original clockwork solar system modelling or Victorian natural selection.

Planetary motions and their traits govern planetary climate with multiple smaller research areas after that much like the other Earth sciences of geology and biology.

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 04:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote:

I grew up in Ireland on a group of islands on the Western Atlantic that come under the influence of the Gulf Stream made possible by zonal flows, continental geography, the planet's rotation, latitude and multiple other inputs to give islands in

Northern Europe a mild maritime climate.

I see these people at each other's throats based on climate change or climate change hoax based on the attempt to railroad the Earth science of climate into one thing, in this case, long-term weather. The idea that the relative success of short-term

weather modelling success using computers transfers to climate as long-term computer modelling as the Earth science of climate is as bad as the original clockwork solar system modelling or Victorian natural selection.

Planetary motions and their traits govern planetary climate with multiple smaller research areas after that much like the other Earth sciences of geology and biology.

Planetary motion plays no role in climate over decadal time periods.
The current climate change, which is probably going to result in the
collapse of Earth's current ecosystem and our current civilization, is
entirely a product of the human use of fossil fuels.

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I'm sorry, I meant the Eastern Atlantic and the climate research topic of the Western Isles of Europe.

Planetary climate is defined as the rate of change in surface, ocean and atmospheric conditions across latitudes. This is determined by the degree of axial inclination to the orbital plane. The closer to the orbital plane, the larger the expanding and
contracting circumferences with the North/South Poles at the centre where the Sun remains in view or out of sight.

Planetary climate is defined within a spectrum between Polar ( maximum distance to the orbital plane at 90 degrees) and Equatorial ( axial inclination lies on the orbital plane at 0 degrees). The Earth has a largely Equatorial climate within this
spectrum as its axial inclination is further than 45 degrees inclination to the orbital plane.

Maybe like the partition of direct/retrogrades between the inner and outer planets seen from a moving Earth and its acceptance, even without the proper trajectory of reasoning, it might take another decade to explain climate by genuine researchers
instead of theorists who equate control of the weather with control of human behaviour.

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On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 12:27:22 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher <kelleher.gerald@gmail.com> wrote:

I'm sorry, I meant the Eastern Atlantic and the climate research topic of the Western Isles of Europe.

Planetary climate is defined as the rate of change in surface, ocean and atmospheric conditions across latitudes.

No, it isn't.

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It will be less than a month before the North Pole passes through the planet's divisor and rotates into the dark hemisphere for the next 6 months-

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/a/a0/EpicEarth-Globespin-tilt-23.4.gif

Its position on the June Solstice was midway across the light hemisphere of the Earth so will have rotated by about 90 degrees over the three months to the September Equinox so that the following graphic is fairly accurate as a representation of its
rotation of the North/South Poles around an ecliptic Pole around a separate axis and equator on the surface thereby affirming what Copernicus originally asserted and satellite information affirms-

https://skyandtelescope.org/wp-content/uploads/BegPage_Sep22_ecliptic-720x600.png

"The third movement is the declination movement. For the axis of daily rotation is not parallel to the axis of the great circle but is inclined to it by such a part of the circumference, which in our time is almost 23 and a half degrees. Thus the centre
of the Earth always remains in the plane of the ecliptic, i.e. on the circumference of a great circle, and its poles revolve, drawing small circles on both sides around the centres equidistant from the axis of the great circle. This movement, too, takes
place over a period of almost a year and is almost equal to the revolution of the great wheel" Copernicus, Commentariolus.

From experience with direct/retrograde motions of Venus and Mercury and their resolution through a better framework made possible by a tracking satellite, it is unfortunate that contributors of this forum are left behind while the world moves on in that
matter and this one. In this respect, there is no need to maintain the pretence that contributors can raise themselves to the level of Copernicus and modify the perspective until the Earth's two surface rotations to the Sun and the planet's divisor is
clear as an explanation.

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On Thursday, August 24, 2023 at 7:05:12 AM UTC-7, Chris L Peterson wrote:

On Thu, 24 Aug 2023 04:38:03 -0700 (PDT), Gerald Kelleher <kellehe...@gmail.com> wrote:

I grew up in Ireland on a group of islands on the Western Atlantic that come under the influence of the Gulf Stream made possible by zonal flows, continental geography, the planet's rotation, latitude and multiple other inputs to give islands in

Northern Europe a mild maritime climate.

I see these people at each other's throats based on climate change or climate change hoax based on the attempt to railroad the Earth science of climate into one thing, in this case, long-term weather. The idea that the relative success of short-term

weather modelling success using computers transfers to climate as long-term computer modelling as the Earth science of climate is as bad as the original clockwork solar system modelling or Victorian natural selection.

Planetary motions and their traits govern planetary climate with multiple smaller research areas after that much like the other Earth sciences of geology and biology.

Planetary motion plays no role in climate over decadal time periods.
The current climate change, which is probably going to result in the collapse of Earth's current ecosystem and our current civilization, is entirely a product of the human use of fossil fuels.

So, we should dig up Ford's grave and send it to hell?
😯

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On 8/24/23 7:38 AM, Gerald Kelleher wrote:

I grew up in Ireland on a group of islands on the Western Atlantic that come under the influence of the Gulf Stream made possible by zonal flows, continental geography, the planet's rotation, latitude and multiple other inputs to give islands in

Northern Europe a mild maritime climate.

I see these people at each other's throats based on climate change or climate change hoax based on the attempt to railroad the Earth science of climate into one thing, in this case, long-term weather. The idea that the relative success of short-term

weather modelling success using computers transfers to climate as long-term computer modelling as the Earth science of climate is as bad as the original clockwork solar system modelling or Victorian natural selection.

Planetary motions and their traits govern planetary climate with multiple smaller research areas after that much like the other Earth sciences of geology and biology.

You clearly live a personally perceived transcendental existence, with a
small part of you in the present, but most of your persona residing in
the past or on some other world.

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There are few things more satisfying than the connection between the individual and the Universal in physical terms because that connection is pure and a mutual delight in all the various components from solar system research to the Earth sciences of
climate, geology and biology which makes our journey through creation to be so thrilling as an endeavour.

I am a Christian because the connection between the physical experience of the Universe is inspirational so while not identified completely with the physical presence of the Universe alone, like inspirational music, literature, art and culture, it is the
presence of Spirit within the physical expression that God is experienced. In this context, words like supernatural or transcendent take on a different cloak than those that apply a lesser meaning to those terms as, in truth, it signifies a more intimate
and internal experience of animate life and inanimate existence rather than something external to those experiences.

"For the higher we soar in contemplation the more limited become our expressions of that which is purely intelligible; even as now, when plunging into the Darkness that is above the intellect, we pass not merely into the brevity of speech, but even into
absolute silence of thoughts and of words. Thus, in the former discourse, our contemplations descended from the highest to the lowest, embracing an ever-widening number of conceptions, which increased at each stage of the descent; but in the present
discourse we mount upwards from below to that which is the highest, and, according to the degree of transcendence, so our speech is restrained until the entire ascent being accomplished, we become wholly voiceless, inasmuch as we are absorbed in it that
is totally ineffable. But why, you will ask, 'does the affirmative method begin from the highest attributions and the negative method with the lowest abstractions?' The reason is that, when affirming the subsistence of That which transcends all
affirmation, we necessarily start from the attributes most closely related to It and upon which the remaining affirmations depend; but when pursuing the negative method to reach That which is beyond all abstraction, we must begin by applying our
negations to things which are most remote from It.
For is it not more true to affirm that God is Life and Goodness than that God is air or stone; and must we not deny to God more emphatically the attributes of inebriation and wrath than the applications of human speech and thought?" Dionysius the
Areopagite

Contemplation of physical creation is not an end in itself, it works as a linear progression through adulthood as we pick up more and more of the Eternal in creation while also treating time as cyclical as the days and seasons come and go. All people, at
whatever age and previous perceptive inclinations, are invited to find a home in the imperfect creation with its creative and destructive capacities which the human life often mirrors so it is not just the mind but the generous heart that accepts all for
the sake of delight in life like a drop of water from an Ocean of Life itself.

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