• Brief Exposure of The Pagan Religion of Heliocentrism

    From Saros Cycle@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Thu Jun 27 13:02:37 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism

    On Tue, 25 Jun 2024 10:49:59 -0400
    Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> wrote:

    Le 2024-06-25 à 08:23, burning fartgas balls a écrit :
    On Tue, 21 May 2024 08:37:46 -0700
    a425couple <a425couple@hotmail.com> wrote:

    I am convinced that the USA did send multiple missions with
    American astronauts that landed on the moon and returned.

    Your ancestors were convinced that burning babies in a bonfire would appease the wrath of your sun god and ensure a good harvest.

    The moon landing hoax is the same sun god (Apollo) using different mind tricks.

    There is a devil (Apollo) and you are worshiping it.

    Apollo is NOT a Sun god, but the god of MEDICINE as well as the
    MESSENGER of the gods of the Roman pantheon.
    Apollo never required any live sacrifices.

    Get your religions straight and stop pooping your blatant lies.

    You say, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." History says the opposite. They absolutely do consider Apollo to be their sun god, as shown below in quotes. It is you who needs to iron out the wrinkles in religions.

    First proof of Apollo as sun god:

    "In spaceflight, the 1960s and 1970s NASA program for orbiting and landing astronauts on the Moon was named after Apollo, by NASA manager Abe Silverstein:
    Apollo riding his chariot across the Sun was appropriate to the grand scale of the proposed program. — Abe Silverstein, Release 69-36"

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he recant his lie?

    Second proof of Apollo as sun god:

    "Apollo has a unique connection to modern culture through space travel. Drawing on his association with the sun (an association that, contrary to popular belief, did not enter Apollo’s theology until relatively late), NASA named their famous moon-bound
    space program after Apollo. They hoped to emulate the exceptionally accurate archer in their journey to the moon." {https://mythopedia.com/topics/apollo}

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he recant his lie?

    By, "relatively late" the author considers 500 BC to be 'relatively late' in the long history of Apollo worship. Apollo has been variously represented as a sun god for over 2500 years. For you to call that a lie, makes you the liar!

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he recant his lie?

    Even more historians know and express the connection between Apollo and Helios as the same sun-god.

    Third proof of Apollo as sun god:

    "Phoebus-Apollo was the god of light in a twofold signification: first, as representing the great orb of day which illumines the world; and secondly, as the heavenly light which animates the soul of man. He inherited his function as sun-god from Helios,
    with whom, in later times, he was so completely identified, that the personality of the one became gradually merged in that of the other. We, accordingly, find Helios frequently confounded with Apollo, myths belonging to the former attributed to the
    latter; and with some tribes—the Ionic, for instance—so complete is this identification, that Apollo is called by them Helios-Apollo." {https://thedelphiguide.com/apollo-the-greekest-of-greek-gods/}

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he recant his lie?

    Fourth proof of Apollo as sun god:

    "From the 5th century BCE, Apollo, originally a deity of radiant purity, was more and more interpreted as a sun god. Under the Roman Empire the sun itself came to be worshipped as the Unconquered Sun."

    This shows that they consider Apollo the sun deity. What you say is false and ignorant. And in your pride you hold your ignorance up as wisdom.

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he recant his lie?

    Apollo, sometimes called Helios, as the two have been often conflated for over 2500 years, has been considered by many as the sun god since at least the 5th century BC. All the Roman emperors since Augustus have iconified Apollo as Sol Invictus, the
    unconquerable sun, and had statues of themselves made with the rays and regalia of Apollo as the sun god. Constantine and others depcicted themselves as Apollo with his chariot riding across the sun. Circe is the Church, the daughter of Helios or Apollo.

    The Heliocentrist religion is the religion of the Hermetecists. They worship the sun-god, Apollo (or Helios) and the other nine deities of the pantheon encircle and bow to their solar deity. You know these deities as the planets: Mercury, Venus, Mars,
    Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune, and Pluto, and the moon. These are the gods of the Hermetic pantheon who all bow to Helios or Apollo, the sun. This belief that the ancient planets 'orbit' the sun god is very ancient. A very ancient inscription shows this
    belief that the nine planets are 'gods' who encircle the sun god:

    "141-146: Apollo, as it is prescribed for you in those books - and for this reason may every good fortune attend the Roman people, the Quirites - let sacrifice be made to you with nine popana, and nine cakes, and nine phthoes. I beg and pray. [The rest
    as above.] Apollo, just as I have offered popana and prayed to you with proper prayer, for this same reason be honored with these sacrificial cakes. Become favorable and propitious. [The same was said concerning the phthoes. To Diana in the same words.]"
    {http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Cultus_Apollinis}

    Notice that the offering is nine of each number, for the eight planets and the moon. This is the true origin of Heliocentrism. Heliocentrism is Satan worship. It is warfare against the true Creator God. It is the worship of the sun, moon, and stars as
    deities. Why else did the 'science community' name them after Greco-Roman deities, if not for the purposes of worship? Why didn't they name them after saints, or Apostles, or prophets? Why didn't they name them after kings and queens? Why pagan deities?

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what you see with your
    own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial sphere, around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly lights.

    Will Kualinar double down on his false pride, or will he be one of the few to break free from the mental prison of heliocentrism and find the true light, Jesus Christ? Or will he remain a mind slave to the god of Rome, the devil of the Bible record?

    The truth has been shown to you. Decide this day between spiritual light or spiritual darkness. The earth is level and stationary. It is not a ball rocketing through a vacuum. The earth is bounded, and watched over by God and angels. The world is ruled
    by devil worshipers who hate the gospel because they want to be god. They will concoct any lie, any war, and crime to achieve their vile purpose. They will enlist millions of useful idiots to carry their poison message. What will you choose?

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to Saros Cycle on Sun Jun 30 00:35:40 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism

    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your
    eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial sphere, around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

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  • From Tyrone@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 30 13:08:25 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism

    On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood" <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:

    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning ball of
    hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your
    eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what
    you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial sphere, >>> around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is
    not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly >>> lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who TODAY
    thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The moon is round.
    All of the planets are round (you can see them yourself in a telescope).
    There are many photos of the round Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion". Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 30 22:31:13 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    One set of nonsense replaced with another...

    What fools these bipedal apes be!

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 30 20:11:14 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism

    Le 2024-06-29 à 23:04, Dawn Flood a écrit :
    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning
    ball of
    hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris
    exactly as your
    eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to
    deny what
    you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial
    sphere,
    around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years.
    Polaris is
    not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other
    heavenly
    lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html

    Dawn
    That's about what peoples once believed because they didn't yet know
    better, up to today's flatards who DO know better.
    Those are crazy and part of a cult. Well... there are also a good deal
    of grifters and frauds, especially their priests, like Eric Dubay and
    Mark Sargent.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 30 20:17:58 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Le 2024-06-30 à 18:31, bertietaylor a écrit :
    One set of nonsense replaced with another...

    What fools these bipedal apes be!
    Flat earth is foolish nonsense.
    Globe Earth is fact.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 30 20:16:38 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Le 2024-06-30 à 18:06, Dawn Flood a écrit :
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
    <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a
    burning ball of
    hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris
    exactly as your
    eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to
    deny what
    you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial
    sphere,
    around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years.
    Polaris is
    not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other
    heavenly
    lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago.  Anyone who TODAY
    thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The moon is
    round.
    All of the planets are round (you can see them yourself in a telescope).
    There are many photos of the round Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of tons of
    evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object gets
    past a
    certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small asteroids/comets/meteors
    and such
    are irregularly shaped because the gravity of the body is not strong
    enough to
    round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are
    facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
    Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful reading of
    the Bible.

    Dawn
    The bible do not state that the Earth is flat. Some versions, red in a particular way, can be interpreted as claiming a flat earth, but, also
    imply a square shaped earth (the four corners of the earth) with the Sun travelling under it during the night.
    Flatards claim that the Sun and Moon circle above the disk shaped flat
    earth.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Dawn Flood on Sun Jun 30 21:49:32 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v5sktq$mvqh$1@dont-email.me...

    if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
    Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful
    reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    True if based on some isolated passage.
    But not true when one sees it in context
    of the whole Bible.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 1 05:33:41 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 1 05:34:55 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    The maturity required to comprehend ancient tales is lacking.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 1 19:16:33 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    % wrote on 1/7/24 8:10 am:
    Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
    <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8>
    wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting
    a burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly
    bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your eyes show you. The
    heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what
    you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the
    celestial sphere, around which all things orbit
    unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is not light
    years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other
    heavenly lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone
    who TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round.
    The moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very
    definition of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a
    "religion". Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are
    Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    if it was flat everything would walk standing up

    Really?? So that would mean there would be no four footed/hooved creatures!!
    --
    Daniel

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  • From %@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 1 05:48:35 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Daniel70 wrote:
    % wrote on 1/7/24 8:10 am:
    Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
    <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8>
    wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting
    a burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly
    bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your eyes show you. The
    heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what you
    see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the
    celestial sphere, around which all things orbit
    unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is not light
    years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly >>>>>>> lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html


    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago.  Anyone
    who TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round.
    The moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very
    definition of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a
    "religion". Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are
    Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    if it was flat everything would walk standing up

    Really?? So that would mean there would be no four footed/hooved
    creatures!!


    https://imgur.com/a/UXzxN8a

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 1 09:13:47 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Le 2024-07-01 à 01:34, bertietaylor a écrit :
    The maturity required to comprehend ancient tales is lacking.
    The bible is just that : ancient tales from superstitious peoples
    lacking actual knowledge about the world they lived in.
    Ancient tales are NO proof of anything else than the beliefs of those
    who created them.
    Those beliefs DO NOT reflect reality. The ancients DID NOT have any superior/sacred knowledge, and that «knowledge» was never lost.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 1 09:08:30 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Le 2024-07-01 à 01:33, bertietaylor a écrit :
    Big bang is even more nonsensical.
    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?
    Your denial and incredulity are NO proof.

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Mon Jul 1 07:04:59 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    "Kualinar" wrote in message news:v5u9oe$137u1$1@dont-email.me...
    bertietaylor a écrit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    Your denial and incredulity are NO proof.

    What about the laws of science? Please!

    If we fantasize scenarios that are contrary
    to them, then perhaps we need to go back
    and reconsider.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon Jul 1 18:03:05 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:kzqgO.98630$nACc.37320 @fx07.ams4:

    "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v5sktq$mvqh$1@dont-email.me...

    if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
    Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful
    reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    True if based on some isolated passage.
    But not true when one sees it in context
    of the whole Bible.


    Show us this "context".

    Start with:




    1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."

    Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."

    Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."

    Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation
    so that it never can be shaken."

    Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned
    it, and himself fixed it fast..."

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew on Mon Jul 1 18:00:13 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:XJygO.85633$ikOc.39622 @fx10.ams4:

    "Kualinar" wrote in message news:v5u9oe$137u1$1@dont-email.me...
    bertietaylor a écrit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..



    The science says the Earth
    is 4.5 billion years old.

    How old does your Bible say
    it is?




    Your denial and incredulity are NO proof.

    What about the laws of science? Please!


    Like the heliocentrism that you deny?

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Tue Jul 2 18:11:29 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Mitchell Holman wrote on 2/7/24 4:00 am:
    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:XJygO.85633$ikOc.39622 @fx10.ams4:
    "Kualinar" wrote in message news:v5u9oe$137u1$1@dont-email.me...
    bertietaylor a écrit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about 6,000 B.C.??
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Dawn Flood on Tue Jul 2 18:15:25 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:

    <Snip>

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who
    TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
    moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition
    of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
    Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    Dawn, what part of The Bible are you reading to arrive at a 'flat' earth??
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to daniel47@nomail.afraid.org on Tue Jul 2 13:09:03 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in news:v60cnh$1igvj$1@dont-email.me:

    Mitchell Holman wrote on 2/7/24 4:00 am:
    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
    news:XJygO.85633$ikOc.39622 @fx10.ams4:
    "Kualinar" wrote in message news:v5u9oe$137u1$1@dont-email.me...
    bertietaylor a écrit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out
    the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about
    6,000 B.C.??


    Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

    But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to daniel47@nomail.afraid.org on Tue Jul 2 13:13:51 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in news:v60cus$1ii27$1@dont-email.me:

    Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:

    <Snip>

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who
    TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
    moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition
    of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
    Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    Dawn, what part of The Bible are you reading to arrive at a 'flat'
    earth??





    Matthew 4:
    ...the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
    mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
    world, and the glory of them


    Amos 9:6
    The One who builds His upper chambers in the
    heavens And has founded His vaulted dome
    over the earth


    Revelation 7:1
    After this I saw four angels standing at the
    four corners of the earth


    Revelation 7:3
    and will go out to deceive the nations in
    the four corners of the earth


    Job 28:24
    for he views the ends of the earth
    and sees everything under the heavens.


    Deuteronomy 28:49
    The Lord will bring a nation against you from
    far away, from the ends of the earth


    Daniel 4:10-11.
    ...the king saw a tree of great height at the
    centre of the earth...reaching with its top to
    the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 2 11:40:09 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Le 2024-07-01 à 14:03, Mitchell Holman a écrit :
    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:kzqgO.98630$nACc.37320 @fx07.ams4:

    "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v5sktq$mvqh$1@dont-email.me...
    <>
    if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
    Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful
    reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    True if based on some isolated passage.
    But not true when one sees it in context
    of the whole Bible.


    Show us this "context".

    Start with:




    1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."

    Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."

    Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."

    Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation
    so that it never can be shaken."

    Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned
    it, and himself fixed it fast..."
    ALL of that was told by anonymous peoples who had NO way of knowing that
    the Earth rotate on it's axis and orbit the Sun. NO trace of «divine inspiration» here. Then, enter a massive, multi-generational, game of telephone before being put in writing by anonymous scribble.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 2 11:34:38 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Le 2024-07-02 à 08:41, Vincent Maycock a écrit :
    On Tue, 2 Jul 2024 18:11:29 +1000, Daniel70
    <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote:

    Mitchell Holman wrote on 2/7/24 4:00 am:
    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:XJygO.85633$ikOc.39622 >>> @fx10.ams4:
    "Kualinar" wrote in message news:v5u9oe$137u1$1@dont-email.me...
    bertietaylor a écrit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out the
    Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about 6,000 B.C.??

    It was 4004 B.C., per one Bishop Usher's calculation based on the
    Bible and various esoteric reasonings. This was a pre-scientific
    attempt at calculating the age of the earth, the result of which has
    been challenged even by modern young earth creationists.
    That Bishop wrongly assumed that the bible's old testament constituted
    an accurate historical and generational record showing a complete and
    totally unbroken «family tree» going from Adam & Eve to Noah then all
    the way to Jesus.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 2 11:43:41 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Le 2024-07-02 à 09:13, Mitchell Holman a écrit :
    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in news:v60cus$1ii27$1@dont-email.me:

    Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:

    <Snip>

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who
    TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
    moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition
    of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
    Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    Dawn, what part of The Bible are you reading to arrive at a 'flat'
    earth??





    Matthew 4:
    ...the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
    mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
    world, and the glory of them


    Amos 9:6
    The One who builds His upper chambers in the
    heavens And has founded His vaulted dome
    over the earth


    Revelation 7:1
    After this I saw four angels standing at the
    four corners of the earth


    Revelation 7:3
    and will go out to deceive the nations in
    the four corners of the earth


    Job 28:24
    for he views the ends of the earth
    and sees everything under the heavens.


    Deuteronomy 28:49
    The Lord will bring a nation against you from
    far away, from the ends of the earth


    Daniel 4:10-11.
    ...the king saw a tree of great height at the
    centre of the earth...reaching with its top to
    the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds





    ALL of those are just myths and fireside stories weaved by peoples
    ignorant of the reality of the world and attempting to explain things.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Tue Jul 2 17:29:47 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> wrote in news:v6177e$1mjru$3@dont-
    email.me:

    Le 2024-07-02 à 09:13, Mitchell Holman a écrit :
    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
    news:v60cus$1ii27$1@dont-email.me:

    Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:

    <Snip>

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who
    TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
    moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition
    of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
    Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    Dawn, what part of The Bible are you reading to arrive at a 'flat'
    earth??





    Matthew 4:
    ...the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
    mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
    world, and the glory of them


    Amos 9:6
    The One who builds His upper chambers in the
    heavens And has founded His vaulted dome
    over the earth


    Revelation 7:1
    After this I saw four angels standing at the
    four corners of the earth


    Revelation 7:3
    and will go out to deceive the nations in
    the four corners of the earth


    Job 28:24
    for he views the ends of the earth
    and sees everything under the heavens.


    Deuteronomy 28:49
    The Lord will bring a nation against you from
    far away, from the ends of the earth


    Daniel 4:10-11.
    ...the king saw a tree of great height at the
    centre of the earth...reaching with its top to
    the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds





    ALL of those are just myths and fireside stories weaved by peoples
    ignorant of the reality of the world and attempting to explain things.



    But they are believed as "God's Revealed Truth"
    by the faithful, no matter how nonsensical they are.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Wed Jul 3 16:14:47 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Mitchell Holman wrote on 2/07/2024 11:13 pm:
    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in news:v60cus$1ii27$1@dont-email.me:

    Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:

    <Snip>

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who
    TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
    moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition
    of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
    Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    Dawn, what part of The Bible are you reading to arrive at a 'flat'
    earth??

    Matthew 4:
    ...the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
    mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
    world, and the glory of them

    Just like if YOU were to look towards the horizons on a global World.
    Amos 9:6
    The One who builds His upper chambers in the
    heavens And has founded His vaulted dome
    over the earth

    'vaulted'?? Doesn't that imply a spherical 'roof'?? Or, at least, semi-circular?

    Revelation 7:1
    After this I saw four angels standing at the
    four corners of the earth

    Ah! Right! This might take a bit of thought! ;-(

    Revelation 7:3
    and will go out to deceive the nations in
    the four corners of the earth

    Ditto!

    Job 28:24
    for he views the ends of the earth
    and sees everything under the heavens.

    Back to looking towards a (circular'ish) horizon.

    Deuteronomy 28:49
    The Lord will bring a nation against you from
    far away, from the ends of the earth

    Yeap, at best, on a spherical world, you can get no further than half a
    globe away!!

    Daniel 4:10-11.
    ...the king saw a tree of great height at the
    centre of the earth...reaching with its top to
    the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds

    So tall you could see it .... all the way to the Horizon!! But, surely,
    if it were at the centre of the Earth NOBODY could see it ..... Oh!!
    Hang on! That would be for a Global World!!
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Wed Jul 3 16:01:41 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Mitchell Holman wrote on 2/07/2024 4:03 am:
    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:kzqgO.98630$nACc.37320 @fx07.ams4:
    "Dawn Flood" wrote in message news:v5sktq$mvqh$1@dont-email.me...
    <>
    if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
    Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful
    reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    True if based on some isolated passage.
    But not true when one sees it in context
    of the whole Bible.

    Show us this "context".

    Start with:

    1 Chronicles 16:30: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable."

    Psalm 93:1: "Thou hast fixed the earth immovable and firm ..."

    Psalm 96:10: "He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ..."

    Psalm 104:5: "Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation
    so that it never can be shaken."

    Hmm!! Somebody should tell the world populus that Earthquakes don't exist!!

    Isaiah 45:18: "...who made the earth and fashioned
    it, and himself fixed it fast..."
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Paul B. Andersen@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jul 3 13:08:10 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Den 02.07.2024 19:29, skrev Mitchell Holman:
    Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> wrote in news:v6177e$1mjru$3@dont-
    email.me:

    Le 2024-07-02 à 09:13, Mitchell Holman a écrit :
    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in
    news:v60cus$1ii27$1@dont-email.me:

    Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:

    <Snip>

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who >>>>>> TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
    moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition >>>>>> of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion". >>>>>> Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
    Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    Dawn, what part of The Bible are you reading to arrive at a 'flat'
    earth??





    Matthew 4:
    ...the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high
    mountain, and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the
    world, and the glory of them


    Amos 9:6
    The One who builds His upper chambers in the
    heavens And has founded His vaulted dome
    over the earth


    Revelation 7:1
    After this I saw four angels standing at the
    four corners of the earth


    Revelation 7:3
    and will go out to deceive the nations in
    the four corners of the earth


    Job 28:24
    for he views the ends of the earth
    and sees everything under the heavens.


    Deuteronomy 28:49
    The Lord will bring a nation against you from
    far away, from the ends of the earth


    Daniel 4:10-11.
    ...the king saw a tree of great height at the
    centre of the earth...reaching with its top to
    the sky and visible to the earth's farthest bounds





    ALL of those are just myths and fireside stories weaved by peoples
    ignorant of the reality of the world and attempting to explain things.



    But they are believed as "God's Revealed Truth"
    by the faithful, no matter how nonsensical they are.



    The Earth is flat, anybody can see that!

    But I wonder ... is Australia on the underside of the flat Earth?

    Or maybe Australia is on the upper side and we (America, Europa and
    Asia) are on the underside?

    What do you think?

    --
    Paul

    https://paulba.no/

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Wed Jul 3 21:22:12 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB1A352275DA61629555@185.151.15.190...
    Daniel70 wrote:
    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Kualinar" wrote:
    bertietaylor a Ãf©crit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out
    the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about
    6,000 B.C.??

    Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

    But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

    I previously gave you the exact age of the Earth.
    But you just want to argue. The important thing
    is that we are here now, and that we may have
    salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ..

    Therefore learn of Him, and in the future realm
    He will unfold before you the mysteries of this
    vast Universe of which we may now have only
    a faint glimpse of.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNeprtMyAAg&t=305s

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew on Thu Jul 4 13:00:21 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:VrphO.16381$eAJ1.2158@fx03.ams4:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB1A352275DA61629555@185.151.15.190...
    Daniel70 wrote:
    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Kualinar" wrote:
    bertietaylor a Ãf©crit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out
    the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about
    6,000 B.C.??

    Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

    But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

    I previously gave you the exact age of the Earth.


    Not in years you didn't.

    "The age of the Earth stems
    from when the Earth was created"
    is not an answer.

    But humor us and post it here.



    But you just want to argue. The important thing
    is that we are here now, and that we may have
    salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ..

    Therefore learn of Him, and in the future realm
    He will unfold before you the mysteries of this
    vast Universe of which we may now have only
    a faint glimpse of.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNeprtMyAAg&t=305s



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  • From Saros Cycle@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Thu Jul 4 22:01:12 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism

    [Religious troll cross-post to alt.bible removed in follow-up.]

    On Thu, 04 Jul 2024 13:00:21 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:VrphO.16381$eAJ1.2158@fx03.ams4:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB1A352275DA61629555@185.151.15.190...
    Daniel70 wrote:
    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Kualinar" wrote:
    bertietaylor a _f__crit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.
    The scientific 'community' is clearly steeped in the worship of
    Helios-Apollo. You are intentionally avoiding this fact.

    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked
    out the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made
    about 6,000 B.C.??

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.


    Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

    But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

    I previously gave you the exact age of the Earth.

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.

    Not in years you didn't.

    "The age of the Earth stems
    from when the Earth was created"
    is not an answer.

    But humor us and post it here.

    The subject is neither the age of the earth as believed by some
    atheist lickspittle nor by the credo of some Christian wing nut. The
    subject of this thread is in the subject line:

    "Brief Exposure of The Pagan Religion of Heliocentrism"

    This is the subject you are attempting to divert the thread away from.
    You are doing this intentionally, with the purpose of derailing the
    evidence that shows NASA is using taxpayer money to iconify and promote Helios-Apollo worship. You want people to argue about atheism vs.
    christianism, or creationism vs. evolution. But you don't want
    discussion about the sun cult religion of the ruling class. It is
    obvious that is the intent of your distraction.

    It is established and verifiable that Heliocentrism is a very ancient
    religion of the ruling class many centuries before the scientific age.
    It's not an opinion or a conjecture but clearly established in the
    historical record. Why are you distracting from the exposure of
    the religion of the ruling class with your own astroturf peasant
    religions?

    Both atheism and Christianity are peasant religions invented by the same
    ruling class to keep the people divided and fighting each other instead
    of fighting their rulers. You are slaves, playing slave games according
    to your master's rule book.

    Let's get back on topic. This thread exposes how the ruling class
    concocted heliocentrism more than 2500 years ago, and codified their
    sun worship under the deity named Helios-Apollo. They already named the
    planets after their deities, and displayed their minor deities orbiting
    their sun god, long before the modern 'scientific' version of
    heliocentrism. So history shows it is a ancient religion. So atheist materialists who claim it as, 'science' are being either stupid or disingenuous, since heliocentrism is a religion of solar worship more
    than 2000 years prior to modern heliocentric theory.

    I suppose it is too much to ask for something other than addle-pated
    retorts and popinjay reguritata you read in some textbook or ruling
    class publication.

    But you just want to argue. The important thing
    is that we are here now, and that we may have
    salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ..

    This is not the subject of the thread. You are attempting to distract
    from the subject and slide the forum into arguing over your own
    religious woo woo. If the majority of the people realized that their
    rulers worship a sun devil that would do more for 'salvation' of the
    nations than the last 1500 years of the decrepit Christian religion,
    which worships the same sun devil, Apollo.

    Therefore learn of Him, and in the future realm
    He will unfold before you the mysteries of this
    vast Universe of which we may now have only
    a faint glimpse of.

    Again the subject is the heliocentric religion of Apollo worship. Stick
    to the subject and stop distracting. NASA publicly worships Apollo,
    using taxpayer funds to promote the religion of Rome. NASA publicly
    promotes the pantheon of the Roman gods. That is their religion. It is
    in their iconography. It is in their imagery. It is in their very
    spoken and written words. They are sun worshipers. Why are sun
    worshipers using so-called science and space and taxpayer money to force
    their religion on the public?

    The Roman deity of the ruling class does not exist. There is no Apollo.
    There is no Shiva, or Kalki, or Helios, or any of their versions of
    their deity. They attack Christians and the Christian deity, but nobody
    ever bothers to attack their solar deity.

    Apollo is a figment of their imagination. Their luciferian pipe dreams
    are the product of diseased minds given them by the devil, who is their
    true god and master. Why does anyone tolerate their sun god religion
    being plastered all over the country at taxpayer expense? Why are people arguing about occasional Christian prayers made in public while NASA
    expends billions of dollars paying for tribute to the luciferian deity
    Apollo? Are you all really that stupid? Or are you complicit?

    To refresh your memory and defeat the forum sliding tactics of the
    trolls the original expose of the heliocentric religion is reproduced
    below. Every time I notice a troll forum sliding I will re-post the
    original article.

    Notice that Kualinar has not responded. Nor has he apologized for the misinformation he presented. Likely he nymshifted to start arguing
    about biblical creation to derail the thread from the original subject
    of the heliocentric religion of Apollo being promoted for decades at
    taxpayer expense.

    The copied portion begins.

    Apollo is NOT a Sun god, but the god of MEDICINE as well as the
    MESSENGER of the gods of the Roman pantheon.
    Apollo never required any live sacrifices.

    Get your religions straight and stop pooping your blatant lies.

    You say, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." History says the opposite. They
    absolutely do consider Apollo to be their sun god, as shown below in
    quotes. It is you who needs to iron out the wrinkles in religions.

    First proof of Apollo as sun god:

    "In spaceflight, the 1960s and 1970s NASA program for orbiting and
    landing astronauts on the Moon was named after Apollo, by NASA manager
    Abe Silverstein: Apollo riding his chariot across the Sun was
    appropriate to the grand scale of the proposed program. — Abe
    Silverstein, Release 69-36"

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he
    recant his lie?

    Second proof of Apollo as sun god:

    "Apollo has a unique connection to modern culture through space travel.
    Drawing on his association with the sun (an association that, contrary
    to popular belief, did not enter Apollo’s theology until relatively
    late), NASA named their famous moon-bound space program after Apollo.
    They hoped to emulate the exceptionally accurate archer in their
    journey to the moon." {https://mythopedia.com/topics/apollo}

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he
    recant his lie?

    By, "relatively late" the author considers 500 BC to be 'relatively
    late' in the long history of Apollo worship. Apollo has been variously represented as a sun god for over 2500 years. For you to call that a
    lie, makes you the liar!

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he
    recant his lie?

    Even more historians know and express the connection between Apollo and
    Helios as the same sun-god.

    Third proof of Apollo as sun god:

    "Phoebus-Apollo was the god of light in a twofold signification: first,
    as representing the great orb of day which illumines the world; and
    secondly, as the heavenly light which animates the soul of man. He
    inherited his function as sun-god from Helios, with whom, in later
    times, he was so completely identified, that the personality of the one
    became gradually merged in that of the other. We, accordingly, find
    Helios frequently confounded with Apollo, myths belonging to the former attributed to the latter; and with some tribes—the Ionic, for
    instance—so complete is this identification, that Apollo is called by
    them Helios-Apollo." {https://thedelphiguide.com/apollo-the-greekest-of-greek-gods/}

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he
    recant his lie?

    Fourth proof of Apollo as sun god:

    "From the 5th century BCE, Apollo, originally a deity of radiant
    purity, was more and more interpreted as a sun god. Under the Roman
    Empire the sun itself came to be worshipped as the Unconquered Sun."

    This shows that they consider Apollo the sun deity. What you say is
    false and ignorant. And in your pride you hold your ignorance up as
    wisdom.

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he
    recant his lie?

    Apollo, sometimes called Helios, as the two have been often conflated
    for over 2500 years, has been considered by many as the sun god since
    at least the 5th century BC. All the Roman emperors since Augustus have iconified Apollo as Sol Invictus, the unconquerable sun, and had
    statues of themselves made with the rays and regalia of Apollo as the
    sun god. Constantine and others depcicted themselves as Apollo with his
    chariot riding across the sun. Circe is the Church, the daughter of
    Helios or Apollo.

    The Heliocentrist religion is the religion of the Hermetecists. They
    worship the sun-god, Apollo (or Helios) and the other nine deities of
    the pantheon encircle and bow to their solar deity. You know these
    deities as the planets: Mercury, Venus, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Neptune,
    and Pluto, and the moon. These are the gods of the Hermetic pantheon
    who all bow to Helios or Apollo, the sun. This belief that the ancient
    planets 'orbit' the sun god is very ancient. A very ancient inscription
    shows this belief that the nine planets are 'gods' who encircle the sun
    god:

    "141-146: Apollo, as it is prescribed for you in those books - and for
    this reason may every good fortune attend the Roman people, the
    Quirites - let sacrifice be made to you with nine popana, and nine
    cakes, and nine phthoes. I beg and pray. [The rest as above.] Apollo,
    just as I have offered popana and prayed to you with proper prayer, for
    this same reason be honored with these sacrificial cakes. Become
    favorable and propitious. [The same was said concerning the phthoes. To
    Diana in the same words.]" {http://www.novaroma.org/nr/Cultus_Apollinis}

    Notice that the offering is nine of each number, for the eight planets
    and the moon. This is the true origin of Heliocentrism. Heliocentrism
    is Satan worship. It is warfare against the true Creator God. It is the
    worship of the sun, moon, and stars as deities. Why else did the
    'science community' name them after Greco-Roman deities, if not for the purposes of worship? Why didn't they name them after saints, or
    Apostles, or prophets? Why didn't they name them after kings and
    queens? Why pagan deities?

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning
    ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris
    exactly as your eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched
    your mind to deny what you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the
    center of the celestial sphere, around which all things orbit
    unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is not light years distant.
    It is close to the earth as are the other heavenly lights.

    Will Kualinar double down on his false pride, or will he be one of the
    few to break free from the mental prison of heliocentrism and find the
    true light, Jesus Christ? Or will he remain a mind slave to the god of
    Rome, the devil of the Bible record?

    The truth has been shown to you. Decide this day between spiritual
    light or spiritual darkness. The earth is level and stationary. It is
    not a ball rocketing through a vacuum. The earth is bounded, and
    watched over by God and angels. The world is ruled by devil worshipers
    who hate the gospel because they want to be god. They will concoct any
    lie, any war, and crime to achieve their vile purpose. They will enlist millions of useful idiots to carry their poison message. What will you
    choose?

    The copied portion ends.

    The ruling class of the United States worship the Roman deity, Apollo.
    They adorn all their capitol buildings with Roman deities, Roman
    statues, and Roman frescoes of their deities. Meanwhile hordes of
    useful idiots argue about distractions that matter not. You are slaves.
    And I hate to say it but you deserve to be slaves.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Fri Jul 5 15:09:27 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism

    Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> wrote in
    news:v6906i$3abuk$2@dont-email.me:

    Le 2024-07-04 à 23:01, Saros Cycle a écrit :
    [Religious troll cross-post to alt.bible removed in follow-up.]

    This is the subject you are attempting to divert the thread away
    from. You are doing this intentionally, with the purpose of derailing
    the evidence that shows NASA is using taxpayer money to iconify and
    promote Helios-Apollo worship. You want people to argue about atheism
    vs. christianism, or creationism vs. evolution. But you don't want
    discussion about the sun cult religion of the ruling class. It is
    obvious that is the intent of your distraction.
    There is NO Helios-Apollo worship in the NASA. The NASA DO NOT promote
    ANY worship.


    By "Saros Cycle" standards everyone
    referring to any day of the week is
    worship since they are all named for
    Nordic gods.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jul 5 10:32:50 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism

    Le 2024-07-04 à 23:01, Saros Cycle a écrit :
    [Religious troll cross-post to alt.bible removed in follow-up.]

    On Thu, 04 Jul 2024 13:00:21 +0000
    Mitchell Holman <noemail@aol.com> wrote:

    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in
    news:VrphO.16381$eAJ1.2158@fx03.ams4:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message
    news:XnsB1A352275DA61629555@185.151.15.190...
    Daniel70 wrote:
    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Kualinar" wrote:
    bertietaylor a _f__crit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.
    Not at all.
    YOU are attempting to divert the discussion.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.
    The scientific 'community' is clearly steeped in the worship of Helios-Apollo. You are intentionally avoiding this fact.

    The scientific community DO NOT worship ANY god.
    YOU are lying when you pretend that science is a religion, that
    scientists are «worshipping Helios-Apollo»


    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.
    Not at all.
    YOU are attempting to hijack this discussion.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.
    Not at all.
    YOU are attempting to hijack this discussion.

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked
    out the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made
    about 6,000 B.C.??

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.
    Not at all.
    YOU are attempting to hijack this discussion.


    Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

    But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

    I previously gave you the exact age of the Earth.

    You are attempting to forum slide the discussion away from the subject.
    Not at all.
    YOU are attempting to hijack this discussion.

    Not in years you didn't.

    "The age of the Earth stems
    from when the Earth was created"
    is not an answer.

    But humor us and post it here.

    The subject is neither the age of the earth as believed by some
    atheist lickspittle nor by the credo of some Christian wing nut. The
    subject of this thread is in the subject line:

    "Brief Exposure of The Pagan Religion of Heliocentrism"
    There is NO heliodentrism, but a scientific heliocentric model that
    work, can make predictions.

    This is the subject you are attempting to divert the thread away from.
    You are doing this intentionally, with the purpose of derailing the
    evidence that shows NASA is using taxpayer money to iconify and promote Helios-Apollo worship. You want people to argue about atheism vs. christianism, or creationism vs. evolution. But you don't want
    discussion about the sun cult religion of the ruling class. It is
    obvious that is the intent of your distraction.
    There is NO Helios-Apollo worship in the NASA. The NASA DO NOT promote
    ANY worship.
    There is NO Sun cult.

    It is established and verifiable that Heliocentrism is a very ancient religion of the ruling class many centuries before the scientific age.
    It's not an opinion or a conjecture but clearly established in the
    historical record. Why are you distracting from the exposure of
    the religion of the ruling class with your own astroturf peasant
    religions?
    YOU are attempting to make us believe that a non-existent cult must
    exist. The Apollo cult died when the Roman state religion became Christian.

    Both atheism and Christianity are peasant religions invented by the same ruling class to keep the people divided and fighting each other instead
    of fighting their rulers. You are slaves, playing slave games according
    to your master's rule book.
    Atheism IS NOT a religion. It is as much a religion as laying on a couch
    is a professional sport, or not collecting stamps a hobby.
    Atheism is absolutely a NON-religion, an absence of religion.

    Let's get back on topic. This thread exposes how the ruling class
    concocted heliocentrism more than 2500 years ago, and codified their
    sun worship under the deity named Helios-Apollo. They already named the planets after their deities, and displayed their minor deities orbiting
    their sun god, long before the modern 'scientific' version of
    heliocentrism. So history shows it is a ancient religion. So atheist materialists who claim it as, 'science' are being either stupid or disingenuous, since heliocentrism is a religion of solar worship more
    than 2000 years prior to modern heliocentric theory.
    The only thing that happened 2500 years ago was realizing that the Earth
    is a globe. Back then, it was believed that the Earth was at the centre
    of everything. It was NOT heliocentric but totally GEOCENTRIC.
    In the heliocentric model, the Sun is not a divine entity, but a massive
    ball of very hot gases fuelled by thermonuclear reaction at it's centre.

    I suppose it is too much to ask for something other than addle-pated
    retorts and popinjay reguritata you read in some textbook or ruling
    class publication.

    But you just want to argue. The important thing
    is that we are here now, and that we may have
    salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ..

    This is not the subject of the thread. You are attempting to distract
    from the subject and slide the forum into arguing over your own
    religious woo woo. If the majority of the people realized that their
    rulers worship a sun devil that would do more for 'salvation' of the
    nations than the last 1500 years of the decrepit Christian religion,
    which worships the same sun devil, Apollo.
    Christianity worship Yahweh, NOT Apollo.

    Therefore learn of Him, and in the future realm
    He will unfold before you the mysteries of this
    vast Universe of which we may now have only
    a faint glimpse of.

    Again the subject is the heliocentric religion of Apollo worship. Stick
    Again... The heliocentric model IS NOT a religion.
    to the subject and stop distracting. NASA publicly worships Apollo,
    Again... The NASA DO NOT worship ANY god.
    using taxpayer funds to promote the religion of Rome. NASA publicly
    Again... The NASA DO NOT promote ANY religion.
    promotes the pantheon of the Roman gods. That is their religion. It is
    in their iconography. It is in their imagery. It is in their very
    spoken and written words. They are sun worshipers. Why are sun
    worshipers using so-called science and space and taxpayer money to force their religion on the public?

    The Roman deity of the ruling class does not exist. There is no Apollo.
    There is no Shiva, or Kalki, or Helios, or any of their versions of
    their deity. They attack Christians and the Christian deity, but nobody
    ever bothers to attack their solar deity.
    And... Some empty claims.

    Apollo is a figment of their imagination. Their luciferian pipe dreams
    are the product of diseased minds given them by the devil, who is their
    true god and master. Why does anyone tolerate their sun god religion
    being plastered all over the country at taxpayer expense? Why are people arguing about occasional Christian prayers made in public while NASA
    expends billions of dollars paying for tribute to the luciferian deity Apollo? Are you all really that stupid? Or are you complicit?
    Following that reasoning, the armies of the USA are using tax payers
    money to promote the cult of Mars-Ares, the god of war, with a DAILY
    budget close to the YEARLY budget of the NASA.

    To refresh your memory and defeat the forum sliding tactics of the
    trolls the original expose of the heliocentric religion is reproduced
    below. Every time I notice a troll forum sliding I will re-post the
    original article.
    Again, the heliocentric MODEL is NOT a religion. Nor even close.

    Notice that Kualinar has not responded. Nor has he apologized for the misinformation he presented. Likely he nymshifted to start arguing
    about biblical creation to derail the thread from the original subject
    of the heliocentric religion of Apollo being promoted for decades at
    taxpayer expense.

    The copied portion begins.

    Apollo is NOT a Sun god, but the god of MEDICINE as well as the
    MESSENGER of the gods of the Roman pantheon.
    Apollo never required any live sacrifices.

    Get your religions straight and stop pooping your blatant lies.

    You say, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." History says the opposite. They absolutely do consider Apollo to be their sun god, as shown below in
    quotes. It is you who needs to iron out the wrinkles in religions.

    First proof of Apollo as sun god:

    "In spaceflight, the 1960s and 1970s NASA program for orbiting and
    landing astronauts on the Moon was named after Apollo, by NASA manager
    Abe Silverstein: Apollo riding his chariot across the Sun was
    appropriate to the grand scale of the proposed program. — Abe Silverstein, Release 69-36"
    NON relevant. NOT a proof.

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he
    recant his lie?

    Second proof of Apollo as sun god:

    "Apollo has a unique connection to modern culture through space travel. Drawing on his association with the sun (an association that, contrary
    to popular belief, did not enter Apollo’s theology until relatively
    late), NASA named their famous moon-bound space program after Apollo.
    They hoped to emulate the exceptionally accurate archer in their
    journey to the moon." {https://mythopedia.com/topics/apollo}
    NON relevant. NOT a proof.

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he
    recant his lie?

    By, "relatively late" the author considers 500 BC to be 'relatively
    late' in the long history of Apollo worship. Apollo has been variously represented as a sun god for over 2500 years. For you to call that a
    lie, makes you the liar!

    Yet Kualinar says, "Apollo is NOT a Sun god." And he is wrong. Will he
    recant his lie?

    Even more historians know and express the connection between Apollo and Helios as the same sun-god.


    The ruling class of the United States worship the Roman deity, Apollo.
    They adorn all their capitol buildings with Roman deities, Roman
    statues, and Roman frescoes of their deities. Meanwhile hordes of
    useful idiots argue about distractions that matter not. You are slaves.
    And I hate to say it but you deserve to be slaves.
    The ruling class of the USA actually worship Jesus and the Christian god
    as well as the Holy Dollar.


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  • From Attila@21:1/5 to VrphO.16381$eAJ1.2158@fx03.ams4 on Sat Jul 6 05:30:10 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    On Wed, 3 Jul 2024 21:22:12 -0700, "Andrew"
    <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <VrphO.16381$eAJ1.2158@fx03.ams4> wrote:

    "Mitchell Holman" wrote in message news:XnsB1A352275DA61629555@185.151.15.190...
    Daniel70 wrote:
    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Kualinar" wrote:
    bertietaylor a Ãf©crit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out
    the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about
    6,000 B.C.??

    Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

    But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

    I previously gave you the exact age of the Earth.

    That one sentence proves you have no idea what you are
    talking about. The Earth has no "exact age". It is a
    physical impossibility.

    But you just want to argue. The important thing
    is that we are here now, and that we may have
    salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ..

    Therefore learn of Him, and in the future realm
    He will unfold before you the mysteries of this
    vast Universe of which we may now have only
    a faint glimpse of.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNeprtMyAAg&t=305s

    --

    Build a Wall.
    Deport them all.

    Go WOKE. Go Broke.

    Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy) and
    the Green Raw Deal.

    Did the last sane person leaving California
    remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
    Apple?

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Dawn Flood on Sat Jul 6 19:19:19 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Dawn Flood wrote on 5/7/24 9:12 pm:
    On 7/1/2024 4:16 AM, Daniel70 wrote:
    % wrote on 1/7/24 8:10 am:
    Dawn Flood wrote:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
    <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8>
    wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting
    a burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly
    bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your eyes show you. The
    heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what you >>>>>>>> see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the
    celestial sphere, around which all things orbit
    unchangingly for thousand of years. Polaris is not light
    years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other
    heavenly lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html


    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago.  Anyone
    who TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round.
    The moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very
    definition of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a
    "religion". Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are
    Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    if it was flat everything would walk standing up

    Really?? So that would mean there would be no four footed/hooved
    creatures!!

    Honey, you may be dealing with a chatbot here.

    Dawn

    He could be, Dawn, but he isn't!
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Andrew@21:1/5 to Attila on Sat Jul 6 11:55:59 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    "Attila" wrote in message news:hh3i8jl7kod8dn8u3q4souchfvp4jjao2t@4ax.com...
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Kualinar" wrote:
    bertietaylor a Ãf©crit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out
    the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about
    6,000 B.C.??

    Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

    But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

    I previously gave you the exact age of the Earth.

    That one sentence proves you have no idea what you are
    talking about. The Earth has no "exact age". It is a
    physical impossibility.

    Then you believe it had no beginning. Which
    proves you have no idea what you are talking
    about.

    Thank you.










    But you just want to argue. The important thing
    is that we are here now, and that we may have
    salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ..

    Therefore learn of Him, and in the future realm
    He will unfold before you the mysteries of this
    vast Universe of which we may now have only
    a faint glimpse of.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNeprtMyAAg&t=305s

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  • From Attila@21:1/5 to 1rgiO.39468$eAJ1.13648@fx03.ams4 on Sat Jul 6 18:39:10 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    On Sat, 6 Jul 2024 11:55:59 -0700, "Andrew"
    <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> in alt.atheism with message-id <1rgiO.39468$eAJ1.13648@fx03.ams4> wrote:

    "Attila" wrote in message news:hh3i8jl7kod8dn8u3q4souchfvp4jjao2t@4ax.com... >> "Andrew" wrote:
    "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Kualinar" wrote:
    bertietaylor a Ãf©crit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out
    the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about
    6,000 B.C.??

    Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

    But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

    I previously gave you the exact age of the Earth.

    That one sentence proves you have no idea what you are
    talking about. The Earth has no "exact age". It is a
    physical impossibility.

    Then you believe it had no beginning.

    That is a moronic conclusion. There are many processes that
    occur over time to produce a final product. Frequently it
    is not possible to isolate exactly when that product
    actually first existed.


    Which
    proves you have no idea what you are talking
    about.

    I would contend that is exactly what you proved about
    yourself.

    Thank you.

    Glad to help.


    But you just want to argue. The important thing
    is that we are here now, and that we may have
    salvation and eternal life through Jesus Christ..

    Therefore learn of Him, and in the future realm
    He will unfold before you the mysteries of this
    vast Universe of which we may now have only
    a faint glimpse of.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yNeprtMyAAg&t=305s

    --

    Build a Wall.
    Deport them all.

    Go WOKE. Go Broke.

    Stop DEI (Dumbass Egotistical Idiocy) and
    the Green Raw Deal.

    Did the last sane person leaving California
    remember to turn out the lights? The Rotten
    Apple?

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Andrew on Sun Jul 7 01:57:49 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    "Andrew" <andrew.321.remov@usa.net> wrote in news:1rgiO.39468$eAJ1.13648@fx03.ams4:

    "Attila" wrote in message
    news:hh3i8jl7kod8dn8u3q4souchfvp4jjao2t@4ax.com...
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Kualinar" wrote:
    bertietaylor a Ãf©crit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

    The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

    How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked
    out the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made
    about 6,000 B.C.??

    Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

    But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

    I previously gave you the exact age of the Earth.

    That one sentence proves you have no idea what you are
    talking about. The Earth has no "exact age". It is a
    physical impossibility.

    Then you believe it had no beginning.


    Evasion noted.

    What is the "exact age" of a loaf of bread?

    When you took it out of the oven?

    Ten seconds before that?

    Ten seconds after that?

    Astronomy and cosmology always deal
    with approximations.

    Now back the question you keep dodging.

    In your opinion what is the approximate
    age of the Earth, in years?

    (This is where Andrew bails out of
    the thread, every....single....time...)

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 8 12:11:27 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Le 2024-07-06 à 14:55, Andrew a écrit :
    "Attila" wrote in message
    news:hh3i8jl7kod8dn8u3q4souchfvp4jjao2t@4ax.com...
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Kualinar" wrote:
      bertietaylor a Ãf©crit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

           The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old.

           How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E  Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked out >>>>> the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made about
    6,000 B.C.??

       Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

      But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

    I previously gave you the exact age of the Earth.

    That one sentence proves you have no idea what you are
    talking about.  The Earth has no "exact age".   It is a
    physical impossibility.

    Then you believe it had no beginning. Which
    proves you have no idea what you are talking
    about.

    Thank you.



    Not at all. The age of the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, ±50 million
    years.
    It is extremely improbable that this bracket could ever get narrower
    than that.

    So, the Earth absolutely have a beginning. It do have a finite age. It's
    just that that age is a bit fuzzy.

    Looks like it's YOU who have no idea what you are talking about.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 8 12:05:38 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism

    Le 2024-07-05 à 11:09, Mitchell Holman a écrit :
    Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> wrote in
    news:v6906i$3abuk$2@dont-email.me:

    Le 2024-07-04 à 23:01, Saros Cycle a écrit :
    [Religious troll cross-post to alt.bible removed in follow-up.]

    This is the subject you are attempting to divert the thread away
    from. You are doing this intentionally, with the purpose of derailing
    the evidence that shows NASA is using taxpayer money to iconify and
    promote Helios-Apollo worship. You want people to argue about atheism
    vs. christianism, or creationism vs. evolution. But you don't want
    discussion about the sun cult religion of the ruling class. It is
    obvious that is the intent of your distraction.
    There is NO Helios-Apollo worship in the NASA. The NASA DO NOT promote
    ANY worship.


    By "Saros Cycle" standards everyone
    referring to any day of the week is
    worship since they are all named for
    Nordic gods.

    And, for French speakers, it's the Roman gods as they are named after
    those :
    Lundi = Day of the Moon
    Mardi = Day of Mars
    Mercredi = Day of Mercury = Apollo as Apollo is associated with the
    planet Mercury.
    Jeudi = Day of Jupiter
    Vendredi = Day of Venus
    Samedi = Day of Saturn
    Dimanche, formerly Soldi = Day of the Sun.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Mon Jul 8 17:38:54 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> wrote in news:v6h33g$ub0a$2@dont-
    email.me:

    Le 2024-07-06 à 14:55, Andrew a écrit :
    "Attila" wrote in message
    news:hh3i8jl7kod8dn8u3q4souchfvp4jjao2t@4ax.com...
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Mitchell Holman" wrote:
    Daniel70 wrote:
    Mitchell Holman wrote:
    "Andrew" wrote:
    "Kualinar" wrote:
      bertietaylor a Ãf©crit :

    Big bang is even more nonsensical.

    Despite the 1000's of supporting evidences ?

    Is it in harmony with the laws of science,
    or is it _contrary to_ the laws of science?

    If one wants the truth, they will go with
    the science, not contrary to the science..

           The science says the Earth is 4.5 billion years old. >>>>>>>
           How old does your Bible say it is?

    Wasn't there a C of E  Minister who, in the late 1800's, worked
    out
    the Biblical World was about 6,000 years old?? or was it made
    about
    6,000 B.C.??

       Martin Luther came to the same conclusion.

      But "Andrew" always runs away when I ask
    him this question, just as he did here.

    I previously gave you the exact age of the Earth.

    That one sentence proves you have no idea what you are
    talking about.  The Earth has no "exact age".   It is a
    physical impossibility.

    Then you believe it had no beginning. Which
    proves you have no idea what you are talking
    about.

    Thank you.



    Not at all. The age of the Earth is 4.5 billion years old, ±50 million years.
    It is extremely improbable that this bracket could ever get narrower
    than that.

    So, the Earth absolutely have a beginning. It do have a finite age.
    It's
    just that that age is a bit fuzzy.

    Looks like it's YOU who have no idea what you are talking about.



    I have resorted to asking Andrew
    for his OPINION is of the age of the
    Earth since his research skills are
    lacking, he runs away from even that.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 5 09:37:06 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Le 2024-06-30 à 18:06, Dawn Flood a écrit :
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
    <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a
    burning ball of
    hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris
    exactly as your
    eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to
    deny what
    you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial
    sphere,
    around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years.
    Polaris is
    not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other
    heavenly
    lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago.  Anyone who TODAY
    thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The moon is
    round.
    All of the planets are round (you can see them yourself in a telescope).
    There are many photos of the round Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of tons of
    evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object gets
    past a
    certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small asteroids/comets/meteors
    and such
    are irregularly shaped because the gravity of the body is not strong
    enough to
    round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are
    facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat, stationary
    Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most faithful reading of
    the Bible.

    Dawn
    Given that NO part of the bible was ever put in writing LESS than 30
    years after the death of the characters, the bible just can not be
    accurate, and even less inherent.
    Claiming that the bible is the word of god, when your ONLY source to
    support that claim is the bible, is circular reasoning. That's a fallacy. Claiming that the bible is the «unchanging word of god» is laughable
    when you realize that it have been altered a lot and many times. Then,
    there is the problem of the over 1000 modern versions that are available
    right now.

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  • From Kualinar@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 5 09:30:11 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism

    Le 2024-06-29 à 23:04, Dawn Flood a écrit :
    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8> wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a burning
    ball of
    hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris
    exactly as your
    eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to
    deny what
    you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the celestial
    sphere,
    around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years.
    Polaris is
    not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the other
    heavenly
    lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html

    Dawn
    Maybe not crazy, but stupid and liar come to mind.

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to Kualinar on Tue Aug 6 01:30:44 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Kualinar <kuakinar@videotron.ca> wrote in
    news:v8qki3$ni1k$2@dont-email.me:

    Le 2024-06-30 à 18:06, Dawn Flood a écrit :
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
    <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com>
    wrote:

    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8>
    wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a
    burning ball of
    hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly bodies orbit Polaris
    exactly as your
    eyes show you. The heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind
    to deny what
    you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the
    celestial sphere,
    around which all things orbit unchangingly for thousand of years.
    Polaris is
    not light years distant. It is close to the earth as are the
    other heavenly
    lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages
    /index.html

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago.  Anyone who
    TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
    moon is round.
    All of the planets are round (you can see them yourself in a
    telescope). There are many photos of the round Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of tons
    of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition of
    insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a
    certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small asteroids/comets/meteors
    and such
    are irregularly shaped because the gravity of the body is not strong
    enough to
    round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are
    facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards. Conspiretards. IOW,
    insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn
    Given that NO part of the bible was ever put in writing LESS than 30
    years after the death of the characters, the bible just can not be
    accurate, and even less inherent.
    Claiming that the bible is the word of god, when your ONLY source to
    support that claim is the bible, is circular reasoning. That's a
    fallacy. Claiming that the bible is the «unchanging word of god» is laughable when you realize that it have been altered a lot and many
    times. Then, there is the problem of the over 1000 modern versions
    that are available right now.





    1) The Bible is the Word of God.

    But how can you be sure?

    2) Because the Bible is Infallible.

    How do you know that?

    3) Because the Bible says so.

    How can we trust the Bible?

    4) Because the Bible is the Word of God.

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Dawn Flood on Tue Aug 6 18:13:11 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
    <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8>
    wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a
    burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly
    bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your eyes show you. The
    heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what
    you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the
    celestial sphere, around which all things orbit unchangingly
    for thousand of years. Polaris is not light years distant. It
    is close to the earth as are the other heavenly lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages/index.html

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who
    TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
    moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition
    of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
    Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    If "one wishes to be a Biblical literalist" then HOW does one explain
    away Dinosaur Skeletons??
    --
    Daniel

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  • From Mitchell Holman@21:1/5 to daniel47@nomail.afraid.org on Tue Aug 6 17:43:46 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in news:v8slun$1gia7$1@dont-email.me:

    Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
    <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8>
    wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a
    burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly
    bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your eyes show you. The
    heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what
    you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the
    celestial sphere, around which all things orbit unchangingly
    for thousand of years. Polaris is not light years distant. It
    is close to the earth as are the other heavenly lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages
    /index.html

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who
    TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
    moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition
    of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
    Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    If "one wishes to be a Biblical literalist" then HOW does one explain
    away Dinosaur Skeletons??




    Placed in the ground by the Devil
    to lead us atray with godless evolution!

    No, really, one creationist here
    actually claimed that......

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  • From Daniel70@21:1/5 to Mitchell Holman on Wed Aug 7 17:07:49 2024
    XPost: alt.astronomy, alt.atheism, alt.bible

    Mitchell Holman wrote on 7/08/2024 3:43 am:
    Daniel70 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> wrote in news:v8slun$1gia7$1@dont-email.me:
    Dawn Flood wrote on 1/7/24 8:06 am:
    On 6/30/2024 8:08 AM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 29, 2024 at 11:04:12 PM EDT, "Dawn Flood"
    <Dawn.Belle.Flood@gmail.com> wrote:
    On 6/29/2024 7:35 PM, Tyrone wrote:
    On Jun 27, 2024 at 9:02:37 AM EDT, "Saros Cycle" <18@11.8>
    wrote:

    But the earth is level and stationary, not a ball orbiting a
    burning ball of hydrogen and helium gas. All the heavenly
    bodies orbit Polaris exactly as your eyes show you. The
    heliocentric religion has bewitched your mind to deny what
    you see with your own eyes. Polaris is the center of the
    celestial sphere, around which all things orbit unchangingly
    for thousand of years. Polaris is not light years distant. It
    is close to the earth as are the other heavenly lights.

    What does it feel like to be insane?

    Many of them are not crazy:

    https://www.cantab.net/users/michael.behrend/ebooks/PlaneTruth/pages >>>>> /index.html

    I'm not talking about hundreds/thousands of years ago. Anyone who
    TODAY thinks the "Earth is flat" is insane. The Sun is round. The
    moon is round. All of the planets are round (you can see them
    yourself in a telescope). There are many photos of the round
    Earth.

    STILL clinging to "The Earth is flat" nonsense - in the face of
    tons of evidence that it is, indeed, round - is the very definition
    of insane.

    Stars and planets are round for a reason. Gravity. Once an object
    gets past a certain size/mass, it WILL be round. Small
    asteroids/comets/meteors and such are irregularly shaped because
    the gravity of the body is not strong enough to round it out.

    Polaris is not the center of anything. Science is not a "religion".
    Facts are facts. You "Flat Earth" people are Kooktards.
    Conspiretards. IOW, insane.

    Yeah, I agree with you, of course, 100%!!

    But, if one wishes to be a Biblical literalist, then a flat,
    stationary Earth at the center of a 6-Day Creation is the most
    faithful reading of the Bible.

    Dawn

    If "one wishes to be a Biblical literalist" then HOW does one explain
    away Dinosaur Skeletons??

    Placed in the ground by the Devil to lead us atray with godless evolution!

    No, really, one creationist here actually claimed that......

    Ah!! So NOT you! Good to know!! ;-P
    --
    Daniel

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