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America used to be in love with "Capitalism", the system where everything
is traded including the land itself. To trade land like a commodity is a catastrophic mistake, because ownership will centralize and people will
be without freedom to start and live their economic lives. The Americans conqured / stole the land from the native Indians, and that is why it
worked for a time. If you where unemployed and in big trouble, you could
always "go West" and steal *other people's land*. Free land is key to
the economy, just as it was in the stone age already, and why trade
networks in the pre-farming era of humanity could work correctly.

When other people's land runs out, people go increasingly without free
land. The solution is to artificially create free land, by design and
law.

Thatcher said³

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of
other people's money”

This can be true or false, depending on the definition of "Socialism".
In the case where Socialism is defined as a system where people finally
get their individual free right to land restored, they pay taxes to
fund the Government, live by work and trade, the young, sick and elderly
get aided as needed, and controlling nearly everything by owning nearly everything is prohibited, you don't run out of "other people's money".

Incidentally, the same can be said about Capitalism:

The problem with *Capitalism* is that you eventually run out of
other people's money.

You run out of other people's money, because without land and options
they get fdorced to sell their labor at starvation level incomes, and
this is where the people get so angry that they will likely revolt and overthrow the whole country. They where not getting what they deserved.
The value which they would have gotten for their work in a correctly set
up economy (see above), is more or less extorted out of them by the
Capitalist class. They are other people's money, to fund their greedy lifestyle.

This is how we see that humanity is ruled by shallow and meaningless propaganda. Their minds churn around with emotions rather than do the
necessary logical thinking to get to the bottom of things (heh). Thanks
to this attitude of the great masses, we are on the brink of what will
possibly become the worcst war in world history.

*

You seriously thought the ruling class put all these nukes in order,
just for show ? How many palaces have they denied themselves, because
they want humanity on the brink of self destruction ? When in history
was a weapon developed, and then not used ? Nuking cities is nothing
new. People used to do it all by hand, by the sword. The Americans
perfected the art of city annihilation by bombing and then firebombing a
city. The nukclear bomb is little more than an efficiency improvement.
THe desired effect is broadly similar: the entire city is destroyed.

This kindof thing has been done thousands of years ago as well. It is
part of general and expected human behavior. Therefore it is highly
unlikely nothing will happen, that the nuclear and other weapons will be peacefully dismantled. Indeed it is obvious that if there was a time for
such a devolution of the arms race, this time is now past. Things are
heating up. The Empire is nearing its (financial) ruin, which may lead
to revolt by the people, and hence the need for war to protect the
ruling class.

How does Capitalism resolve an unemployement crisis ? Nuclear war ...
Such is the punishment for not caring, I guess. Therefore all is in
order. Creation works perfectly. The pain will be great.

Learn gardening, stock up on supplies and learn camping skills, etc.
If nothing happens after all, you learned some interesting things, which
also strengthens your personal options.

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(!) https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/138248-the-problem-with-socialism-is-that-you-eventually-run-out
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Jos Boersema wrote:

America used to be in love with "Capitalism", the system where everything
is traded including the land itself. To trade land like a commodity is a catastrophic mistake, because ownership will centralize and people will
be without freedom to start and live their economic lives. The Americans conquered / stole the land from the native Indians, and that is why it worked for a time. If you where unemployed and in big trouble, you could always "go West" and steal *other people's land*. Free land is key to
the economy, just as it was in the stone age already, and why trade
networks in the pre-farming era of humanity could work correctly.

When other people's land runs out, people go increasingly without free
land. The solution is to artificially create free land, by design and
law.

Thatcher said³

“The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of
other people's money”

This can be true or false, depending on the definition of "Socialism".
In the case where Socialism is defined as a system where people finally
get their individual free right to land restored, they pay taxes to
fund the Government, live by work and trade, the young, sick and elderly
get aided as needed, and controlling nearly everything by owning nearly everything is prohibited, you don't run out of "other people's money".

Incidentally, the same can be said about Capitalism:

The problem with *Capitalism* is that you eventually run out of
other people's money.

You run out of other people's money, because without land and options
they get forced to sell their labor at starvation level incomes, and
this is where the people get so angry that they will likely revolt and overthrow the whole country. They where not getting what they deserved.
The value which they would have gotten for their work in a correctly set
up economy (see above), is more or less extorted out of them by the Capitalist class. They are other people's money, to fund their greedy lifestyle.

This is how we see that humanity is ruled by shallow and meaningless propaganda. Their minds churn around with emotions rather than do the necessary logical thinking to get to the bottom of things (heh). Thanks
to this attitude of the great masses, we are on the brink of what will possibly become the worst war in world history.

*

You seriously thought the ruling class put all these nukes in order,
just for show ? How many palaces have they denied themselves, because
they want humanity on the brink of self destruction ? When in history
was a weapon developed, and then not used ? Nuking cities is nothing
new. People used to do it all by hand, by the sword. The Americans
perfected the art of city annihilation by bombing and then firebombing a city. The nuclear bomb is little more than an efficiency improvement.
The desired effect is broadly similar: the entire city is destroyed.

This kind of thing has been done thousands of years ago as well. It is
part of general and expected human behavior. Therefore it is highly
unlikely nothing will happen, that the nuclear and other weapons will be peacefully dismantled. Indeed it is obvious that if there was a time for such a devolution of the arms race, this time is now past. Things are heating up. The Empire is nearing its (financial) ruin, which may lead
to revolt by the people, and hence the need for war to protect the
ruling class.

How does Capitalism resolve an unemployment crisis ? Nuclear war ...
Such is the punishment for not caring, I guess. Therefore all is in
order. Creation works perfectly. The pain will be great.

Learn gardening, stock up on supplies and learn camping skills, etc.
If nothing happens after all, you learned some interesting things, which also strengthens your personal options.
(!) https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/138248-the-problem-with-socialism-is-that-you-eventually-run-out

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Asimov believed that "science fiction ... serve[s] the good of humanity". He considered himself a feminist even before women's liberation became a widespread movement; he argued that the issue of women's rights was closely connected to that of POPULATION
CONTROL. Furthermore, he believed that homosexuality must be considered a "moral right" on POPULATION GROUNDS, as must all consenting adult sexual activity that does not lead to reproduction. He issued many appeals for POPULATION CONTROL, reflecting a
perspective articulated by people from Thomas Malthus through Paul R. Ehrlich.

Asimov's defense of civil applications of nuclear power, even after the Three Mile Island nuclear power plant incident, damaged his relations with some of his fellow liberals. In a letter reprinted in Yours, Isaac Asimov, he states that although he would
prefer living in "no danger whatsoever" than near a nuclear reactor, he would still prefer a home near a nuclear power plant than in a slum on Love Canal or near "a Union Carbide plant producing methyl isocyanate", the latter being a reference to the
Bhopal disaster.

In the closing years of his life, Asimov blamed the deterioration of the quality of life that he perceived in New York City on the shrinking tax base caused by the middle-class flight to the suburbs, though he continued to support high taxes on the
middle class to pay for social programs. His last nonfiction book, Our Angry Earth (1991, co-written with Frederik Pohl), deals with elements of the environmental crisis such as OVERPOPULATION, oil dependence, war, global warming, and the destruction of
the ozone layer. In response to being presented by Bill Moyers with the question "What do you see happening to the idea of dignity to human species if this POPULATION GROWTH continues at its present rate?", Asimov responded:

"It's going to destroy it all ... if you have 20 people in the apartment and two bathrooms, no matter how much every person believes in freedom of the bathroom, there is no such thing. You have to set up, you have to set up times for each person, you
have to bang at the door, aren't you through yet, and so on. And in the same way, democracy cannot survive OVERPOPULATION. Human dignity cannot survive it. Convenience and decency cannot survive it. AS YOU PUT MORE AND MORE PEOPLE ONTO THE WORLD, THE
VALUE OF LIFE NOT ONLY DECLINES, BUT IT DISAPPEARS."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isaac_Asimov
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