• suggestions for plasma globe that is slow to turn on?

    From Bill Abers@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 11 11:46:45 2025
    I own several plasma globe type devices basically similar to this:

    https://www.arborsci.com/cdn/shop/products/PlasmaGlobe8inch1500x1000.jpg?v=1652122477

    I also have a dome, a disc, and another device resembling a spiral glass
    tube.

    Several years ago, I took a look inside all of them and they basically
    all have the same type of circuit: a single transistor driven small
    flyback in the 3-8 KV range coupling to the glass tube or globe.

    One thing that sort of bothers me about my devices is that, over time, a
    couple of them have become slow to turn on, especially after sitting for
    a period of time, but not in every case: one of my plasma domes is
    difficult to turn on all the time.

    What I mean by the aforementioned is that, once the device switch is
    activated, the glass will remain dark for a few seconds before it starts
    to show "plasma". In the case of the plasma dome, there are two
    controls on the front of it controlling intensity and frequency that I
    have to fiddle with for maybe 30 sec sometimes before the globe will
    activate.

    My question is, what causes this behavior and how do I rectify it?
    Thanks.

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  • From ehsjr@21:1/5 to Bill Abers on Wed Jun 11 14:49:55 2025
    On 6/11/2025 11:46 AM, Bill Abers wrote:
    I own several plasma globe type devices basically similar to this:

    https://www.arborsci.com/cdn/shop/products/PlasmaGlobe8inch1500x1000.jpg?v=1652122477

    I also have a dome, a disc, and another device resembling a spiral glass tube.

    Several years ago, I took a look inside all of them and they basically
    all have the same type of circuit: a single transistor driven small
    flyback in the 3-8 KV range coupling to the glass tube or globe.

    One thing that sort of bothers me about my devices is that, over time, a couple of them have become slow to turn on, especially after sitting for
    a period of time, but not in every case: one of my plasma domes is
    difficult to turn on all the time.

    What I mean by the aforementioned is that, once the device switch is activated, the glass will remain dark for a few seconds before it starts
    to show "plasma".  In the case of the plasma dome, there are two
    controls on the front of it controlling intensity and frequency that I
    have to fiddle with for maybe 30 sec sometimes before the globe will activate.

    My question is, what causes this behavior and how do I rectify it? Thanks.



    Bad power supply electrolytic capacitor.
    Replace it. One possible way to locate
    it is if it is bulging. Otherwise, can
    you troubleshoot?

    Ed

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Bill Abers on Wed Jun 11 22:09:29 2025
    Bill Abers <none@anywherenet.com> wrote:

    I own several plasma globe type devices basically similar to this:

    https://www.arborsci.com/cdn/shop/products/PlasmaGlobe8inch1500x1000.jpg?v =1652122477

    I also have a dome, a disc, and another device resembling a spiral glass tube.

    Several years ago, I took a look inside all of them and they basically
    all have the same type of circuit: a single transistor driven small
    flyback in the 3-8 KV range coupling to the glass tube or globe.

    One thing that sort of bothers me about my devices is that, over time, a couple of them have become slow to turn on, especially after sitting for
    a period of time, but not in every case: one of my plasma domes is
    difficult to turn on all the time.

    What I mean by the aforementioned is that, once the device switch is activated, the glass will remain dark for a few seconds before it starts
    to show "plasma". In the case of the plasma dome, there are two
    controls on the front of it controlling intensity and frequency that I
    have to fiddle with for maybe 30 sec sometimes before the globe will activate.

    My question is, what causes this behavior and how do I rectify it?
    Thanks.

    Possibly a conductive film has built up on the glass over the years and
    is loading down the oscillator? Highly insulating surfaces build up
    charges which attract dust etc.


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  • From Bill Abers@21:1/5 to All on Wed Jun 11 19:06:51 2025
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  • From Bill Abers@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Wed Jun 11 19:02:21 2025
    On 6/11/25 5:09 PM, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    Bill Abers <none@anywherenet.com> wrote:

    I own several plasma globe type devices basically similar to this:

    https://www.arborsci.com/cdn/shop/products/PlasmaGlobe8inch1500x1000.jpg?v >> =1652122477

    I also have a dome, a disc, and another device resembling a spiral glass
    tube.

    Several years ago, I took a look inside all of them and they basically
    all have the same type of circuit: a single transistor driven small
    flyback in the 3-8 KV range coupling to the glass tube or globe.

    One thing that sort of bothers me about my devices is that, over time, a
    couple of them have become slow to turn on, especially after sitting for
    a period of time, but not in every case: one of my plasma domes is
    difficult to turn on all the time.

    What I mean by the aforementioned is that, once the device switch is
    activated, the glass will remain dark for a few seconds before it starts
    to show "plasma". In the case of the plasma dome, there are two
    controls on the front of it controlling intensity and frequency that I
    have to fiddle with for maybe 30 sec sometimes before the globe will
    activate.

    My question is, what causes this behavior and how do I rectify it?
    Thanks.

    Possibly a conductive film has built up on the glass over the years and
    is loading down the oscillator? Highly insulating surfaces build up
    charges which attract dust etc.

    Interesting, now that's something that has not been done regularly and
    there is some dust on at least half of the units. Will go about
    cleaning. Thanks.

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  • From Bill Abers@21:1/5 to All on Fri Jun 13 11:27:54 2025
    Well, since I took Liz's suggestion basically about cleaning the glass,
    the device has turned on immediately ever since. Of course, to test the electrolytics, I also had to disassemble it.

    The plasma globe is a quick disconnect to the unit base, which contains
    the flyback supply. Contacts are either steel or aluminum. I was
    thinking of adding a thin layer of dielectric grease (from the auto
    store used for spark plugs) to the contacts. Recommended or not?

    Thanks again,
    Bill

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  • From legg@21:1/5 to All on Sat Jun 14 11:57:17 2025
    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 11:27:54 -0400, Bill Abers <none@anywherenet.com>
    wrote:

    Well, since I took Liz's suggestion basically about cleaning the glass,
    the device has turned on immediately ever since. Of course, to test the >electrolytics, I also had to disassemble it.

    The plasma globe is a quick disconnect to the unit base, which contains
    the flyback supply. Contacts are either steel or aluminum. I was
    thinking of adding a thin layer of dielectric grease (from the auto
    store used for spark plugs) to the contacts. Recommended or not?

    Thanks again,
    Bill

    If it works, don't 'fix' it.

    RL

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  • From Roger Hayter@21:1/5 to legg on Sat Jun 14 16:17:47 2025
    On 14 Jun 2025 at 16:57:17 BST, "legg" <legg@nospam.magma.ca> wrote:

    On Fri, 13 Jun 2025 11:27:54 -0400, Bill Abers <none@anywherenet.com>
    wrote:

    Well, since I took Liz's suggestion basically about cleaning the glass,
    the device has turned on immediately ever since. Of course, to test the
    electrolytics, I also had to disassemble it.

    The plasma globe is a quick disconnect to the unit base, which contains
    the flyback supply. Contacts are either steel or aluminum. I was
    thinking of adding a thin layer of dielectric grease (from the auto
    store used for spark plugs) to the contacts. Recommended or not?

    Thanks again,
    Bill

    If it works, don't 'fix' it.

    RL

    Agreed. Grease will just attract more conductive dirt to short circuit the
    high voltage.

    --

    Roger Hayter

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