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  • those coupled drum core inductors

    From john larkin @21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 16 07:15:46 2025
    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/cd8gxmlrar3kvv3iz36xe/Mu_twin.jpg?rlkey=dvl8e7fbtjnzz3l9q9urkyyfn&raw=1

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nm1ksdn7eufm90ol0b0ec/Murata_Coupled_1.jpg?rlkey=e7yvk464xupz4axy7lt6zj3zk&raw=1

    I was surprised to get K=0.6 by just putting them along side.

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  • From Bill Sloman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Mon Mar 17 01:30:45 2025
    On 17/03/2025 1:15 am, john larkin wrote:


    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/cd8gxmlrar3kvv3iz36xe/Mu_twin.jpg?rlkey=dvl8e7fbtjnzz3l9q9urkyyfn&raw=1

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nm1ksdn7eufm90ol0b0ec/Murata_Coupled_1.jpg?rlkey=e7yvk464xupz4axy7lt6zj3zk&raw=1

    I was surprised to get K=0.6 by just putting them along side.

    Why? And your second url doesn't exactly make the point in a way that is
    easy to follow.

    The ferrite in the drums has permeability that is about a thousand times
    higher than that of free space, so the adjacent drum is going to suck in
    a whole lot of flux lines.

    The transformer equations are

    V1=L1.dI1/dt+M.dI2/dt

    V2=M.dI1/dt+L2.dI2/dt

    where M=K.sqrt(L1.L2)

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    Bill Sloman, Sydney

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to john larkin on Sun Mar 16 20:30:24 2025
    On 3/16/25 15:15, john larkin wrote:


    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/cd8gxmlrar3kvv3iz36xe/Mu_twin.jpg?rlkey=dvl8e7fbtjnzz3l9q9urkyyfn&raw=1

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nm1ksdn7eufm90ol0b0ec/Murata_Coupled_1.jpg?rlkey=e7yvk464xupz4axy7lt6zj3zk&raw=1

    I was surprised to get K=0.6 by just putting them along side.


    That's somewhat surprising, indeed. Are the cores dumbbell-shaped?
    Does the coupling vary steeply with the spacing?

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Sun Mar 16 20:53:32 2025
    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 3/16/25 15:15, john larkin wrote:


    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/cd8gxmlrar3kvv3iz36xe/Mu_twin.jpg?rlkey=d vl8e7fbtjnzz3l9q9urkyyfn&raw=1

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nm1ksdn7eufm90ol0b0ec/Murata_Coupled_1.jp g?rlkey=e7yvk464xupz4axy7lt6zj3zk&raw=1

    I was surprised to get K=0.6 by just putting them along side.


    That's somewhat surprising, indeed. Are the cores dumbbell-shaped? Does
    the coupling vary steeply with the spacing?


    Stick a sig-gen across one and a 'scope across t'other, that will tell
    you how much coupling there is at any given spacing.


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    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From john larkin @21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sun Mar 16 14:20:18 2025
    On Sun, 16 Mar 2025 20:53:32 +0000, liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid
    (Liz Tuddenham) wrote:

    Jeroen Belleman <jeroen@nospam.please> wrote:

    On 3/16/25 15:15, john larkin wrote:


    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/cd8gxmlrar3kvv3iz36xe/Mu_twin.jpg?rlkey=d >> > vl8e7fbtjnzz3l9q9urkyyfn&raw=1

    https://www.dropbox.com/scl/fi/nm1ksdn7eufm90ol0b0ec/Murata_Coupled_1.jp >> > g?rlkey=e7yvk464xupz4axy7lt6zj3zk&raw=1

    I was surprised to get K=0.6 by just putting them along side.


    That's somewhat surprising, indeed. Are the cores dumbbell-shaped? Does
    the coupling vary steeply with the spacing?

    The inductors are covered by shrink tubing but seem to be tall skinny
    drum cores, dumbbells.



    Stick a sig-gen across one and a 'scope across t'other, that will tell
    you how much coupling there is at any given spacing.

    I've done that but didn't quantify coupling vs distance. I measured
    coupling and series inductance assuming two parts mounted as close to
    one another as makes sense, not quite mechanically interfering.

    I used a third one as a mag field probe, to verify that the series
    pair has a magnetic null plane between the parts, and doesn't couple
    far-field very much.

    The extra 6 mH helps my circuit a bit, without adding ESR. Cute trick.

    I guess there could be other uses for this coupling.

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  • From piglet@21:1/5 to All on Sun Mar 16 22:37:18 2025
    john larkin <jlArbor.com> wrote:


    I guess there could be other uses for this coupling.



    I have made cheap high isolation voltage data coupling transformers that
    way.

    --
    piglet

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