• solderig enamelled wire, problems.

    From albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 23 12:21:27 2025
    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert
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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl on Mon Jun 23 12:24:57 2025
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert


    Put some methylated spirits or ethanol in a small open metal container
    such as the lid of a bottle . Set fire to it and hold the end of the
    wire in the flame until it is red hot. Plunge it downwards into the
    liquid and slide it out sideways so it doesn't get heated a second time.

    There will be a chemical reaction between the oxide on the red hot
    copper and the ethanol, which removes the oxide and leaves the wire
    bright and clean.

    Have a piece of metal ready to put over the container to extinguish the
    flame and plan in advance how you will deal with the rapidly-spreading
    fire if you upset the container. Put the bottle of ethanol some
    distance away.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Mon Jun 23 12:44:18 2025
    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert


    Put some methylated spirits or ethanol in a small open metal container
    such as the lid of a bottle . Set fire to it and hold the end of the
    wire in the flame until it is red hot. Plunge it downwards into the
    liquid and slide it out sideways so it doesn't get heated a second time.

    There will be a chemical reaction between the oxide on the red hot
    copper and the ethanol, which removes the oxide and leaves the wire
    bright and clean.

    Have a piece of metal ready to put over the container to extinguish the
    flame and plan in advance how you will deal with the rapidly-spreading
    fire if you upset the container. Put the bottle of ethanol some
    distance away.



    Fun. I’ll try it outdoors sometime, but not at my bench!

    A less exciting approach is a bottle of GC Strip-X. I don’t know if it’s still available—I don’t recommend using that as a search term. :(

    The right answer is probably a solder pot.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Mon Jun 23 14:05:46 2025
    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert


    Put some methylated spirits or ethanol in a small open metal container
    such as the lid of a bottle . Set fire to it and hold the end of the
    wire in the flame until it is red hot. Plunge it downwards into the
    liquid and slide it out sideways so it doesn't get heated a second time.

    There will be a chemical reaction between the oxide on the red hot
    copper and the ethanol, which removes the oxide and leaves the wire
    bright and clean.

    Have a piece of metal ready to put over the container to extinguish the flame and plan in advance how you will deal with the rapidly-spreading
    fire if you upset the container. Put the bottle of ethanol some
    distance away.



    Fun. I’ll try it outdoors sometime, but not at my bench!

    When I worke at Eddystone Radio, that was the standard method of dealing
    with Litz wire. The meths pot was like an old fashoined whale-oil lamp
    with a spout and it was mounted in an asbestos-lined steel box with a
    hinged lid that could be flipped down in emergency.

    The chief engineer also used it to light his cigarettes.


    --
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  • From dalai lamah@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jun 23 14:26:17 2025
    Un bel giorno albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl digitò:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    For single wires I think that the scraping+soldering method is the
    quickest. First scrape the wire end with sandpaper, then immerse it in a
    bubble of fused solder until the remaining enamel washes off.

    For Litz wires I still have to find a good method. The other day I had to manually solder a Litz wire into a wire lug. Very tedious. If you keep the
    wire immersed in a fused solder bubble, and keep adding new solder to add
    flux, eventually the coating gives up. But with this technique you waste a
    lot of solder, and you need a VERY good ventilation (those fumes are quite
    bad for you).

    Probably there are specific solvents to do that, but I suppose it depends
    on the enamel type. Some say to use acetone, others sodium hydroxide,
    others sulfuric acid (which is an hardcore alternative to the aspirin :-)).

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  • From john larkin@21:1/5 to albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl on Mon Jun 23 07:03:59 2025
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 12:21:27 +0200, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert

    I buy thermal-strip wire. You just solder it.

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  • From legg@21:1/5 to albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl on Mon Jun 23 10:46:08 2025
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 12:21:27 +0200, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert

    Make sure that the scavenged magnet wire is actually copper.

    If the enamel is a dark colour, it may be a high temperature
    grade requiring manual scraping for removal.

    In the past, you may have been working with 60/40 lead solder
    with rosin flux. Various other types of solder and flux are now
    more common, for lead-free environments. They may not flow and
    lift contaminating films as easily.

    Red-hot temperatures should not be neccessary, nor an open
    flame.

    RL

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  • From albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Mon Jun 23 19:53:39 2025
    In article <1redwas.10sf9o41u2k5q8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert


    Put some methylated spirits or ethanol in a small open metal container
    such as the lid of a bottle . Set fire to it and hold the end of the
    wire in the flame until it is red hot. Plunge it downwards into the
    liquid and slide it out sideways so it doesn't get heated a second time. >> >
    There will be a chemical reaction between the oxide on the red hot
    copper and the ethanol, which removes the oxide and leaves the wire
    bright and clean.

    Have a piece of metal ready to put over the container to extinguish the
    flame and plan in advance how you will deal with the rapidly-spreading
    fire if you upset the container. Put the bottle of ethanol some
    distance away.



    Fun. I’ll try it outdoors sometime, but not at my bench!

    When I worke at Eddystone Radio, that was the standard method of dealing
    with Litz wire. The meths pot was like an old fashoined whale-oil lamp
    with a spout and it was mounted in an asbestos-lined steel box with a
    hinged lid that could be flipped down in emergency.

    The chief engineer also used it to light his cigarettes.

    This doesn't appreciate the fact that better and better plastics
    are used. E.g. a bag of nuts can't be opened by hand, you
    really need a knife for that.
    The inner surface of a soda can is coated. I tried to burn it
    off, then polish it. Forget it! The soda can is destroyed before
    the coating gets it.
    Mechanical removing of the coating is always possible, but it is
    increasingly difficult if the wire gets thinner, 0.25 mm.

    I'll try the Liz method. This resemble what I have already tried,
    but my wire melted. It is also clear that I have to have tinned
    the wire before winding the coil.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk
    --
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    The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl on Mon Jun 23 19:48:05 2025
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    In article <1redwas.10sf9o41u2k5q8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove >> >> the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert


    Put some methylated spirits or ethanol in a small open metal container >> > such as the lid of a bottle . Set fire to it and hold the end of the
    wire in the flame until it is red hot. Plunge it downwards into the
    liquid and slide it out sideways so it doesn't get heated a second time. >> >
    There will be a chemical reaction between the oxide on the red hot
    copper and the ethanol, which removes the oxide and leaves the wire
    bright and clean.

    Have a piece of metal ready to put over the container to extinguish the >> > flame and plan in advance how you will deal with the rapidly-spreading >> > fire if you upset the container. Put the bottle of ethanol some
    distance away.



    Fun. I’ll try it outdoors sometime, but not at my bench!

    When I worke at Eddystone Radio, that was the standard method of dealing >with Litz wire. The meths pot was like an old fashoined whale-oil lamp >with a spout and it was mounted in an asbestos-lined steel box with a >hinged lid that could be flipped down in emergency.

    The chief engineer also used it to light his cigarettes.

    This doesn't appreciate the fact that better and better plastics
    are used. E.g. a bag of nuts can't be opened by hand, you
    really need a knife for that.
    The inner surface of a soda can is coated. I tried to burn it
    off, then polish it. Forget it! The soda can is destroyed before
    the coating gets it.
    Mechanical removing of the coating is always possible, but it is
    increasingly difficult if the wire gets thinner, 0.25 mm.

    Some wires now have a 'self-fluxing' coating, which breaks down at
    soldering temperature and allows the wire to be easily tinned, but your description of the problems you were having suggested that this wire
    wasn't the self-fluxing type.


    I'll try the Liz method. This resemble what I have already tried,
    but my wire melted. It is also clear that I have to have tinned
    the wire before winding the coil.

    You may find that the lower temperature of an ethanol flame doesn't melt
    the wire (assuming the wire is copper, not aluminium). The base of the
    flame will be cooler than the top, so you may be able to find a suitable temperature zone which produces just enough heat to remove the oxide
    when you quench it. The wire should then be easily tinned with ordinary flux-cored solder.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical. on Mon Jun 23 17:54:10 2025
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 12:44:18 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert


    Put some methylated spirits or ethanol in a small open metal container
    such as the lid of a bottle . Set fire to it and hold the end of the
    wire in the flame until it is red hot. Plunge it downwards into the
    liquid and slide it out sideways so it doesn't get heated a second time.

    There will be a chemical reaction between the oxide on the red hot
    copper and the ethanol, which removes the oxide and leaves the wire
    bright and clean.

    Have a piece of metal ready to put over the container to extinguish the
    flame and plan in advance how you will deal with the rapidly-spreading
    fire if you upset the container. Put the bottle of ethanol some
    distance away.

    I'll have to try this. The ethanol has to be acting as if it were
    producer gas or the like.



    Fun. I’ll try it outdoors sometime, but not at my bench!

    A less exciting approach is a bottle of GC Strip-X. I don’t know if it’s >still available—I don’t recommend using that as a search term. :(

    Is that GC, or MG Chemical? GC makes mechanical strippers these days.


    The right answer is probably a solder pot.

    Which won't work with Formvar coatings at all. There are stripped mechanically, with rotating rubber eraser wheels that wear plastic far
    faster than copper.

    What would also work would be a small pot of hot lye solution.

    I've used the melted aspirin tablet approach, and it does work, but
    the smoke is quite noxious.

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Tue Jun 24 01:05:49 2025
    Joe Gwinn <joegwinn@comcast.net> wrote:
    On Mon, 23 Jun 2025 12:44:18 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert


    Put some methylated spirits or ethanol in a small open metal container
    such as the lid of a bottle . Set fire to it and hold the end of the
    wire in the flame until it is red hot. Plunge it downwards into the
    liquid and slide it out sideways so it doesn't get heated a second time. >>>
    There will be a chemical reaction between the oxide on the red hot
    copper and the ethanol, which removes the oxide and leaves the wire
    bright and clean.

    Have a piece of metal ready to put over the container to extinguish the
    flame and plan in advance how you will deal with the rapidly-spreading
    fire if you upset the container. Put the bottle of ethanol some
    distance away.

    I'll have to try this. The ethanol has to be acting as if it were
    producer gas or the like.



    Fun. IÂ’ll try it outdoors sometime, but not at my bench!

    A less exciting approach is a bottle of GC Strip-X. I don’t know if it’s >> still available—I don’t recommend using that as a search term. :(

    Is that GC, or MG Chemical? GC makes mechanical strippers these days.


    The right answer is probably a solder pot.

    Which won't work with Formvar coatings at all. There are stripped mechanically, with rotating rubber eraser wheels that wear plastic far
    faster than copper.

    What would also work would be a small pot of hot lye solution.

    I've used the melted aspirin tablet approach, and it does work, but
    the smoke is quite noxious.


    GC, as in General Chemical, iirc.
    Famous for Q Dope among other radio stuff.

    https://radiobanter.com/homebrew/23754-magnet-wire-stripper-gel-substitute.html

    IIRC it smelled like Easy-Off, a lye-based oven cleaner paste, with maybe
    some TCE like old time paint stripper (you know, the stuff that actually worked—Polystrippa, I think).

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
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  • From Glen Walpert@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Tue Jun 24 01:49:42 2025
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 01:05:49 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs wrote:

    <clip

    A less exciting approach is a bottle of GC Strip-X. I donÂ’t know if
    it’s still available—I don’t recommend using that as a search
    term. :(

    Is that GC, or MG Chemical? GC makes mechanical strippers these days.


    The right answer is probably a solder pot.

    Which won't work with Formvar coatings at all. There are stripped
    mechanically, with rotating rubber eraser wheels that wear plastic far
    faster than copper.

    What would also work would be a small pot of hot lye solution.

    I've used the melted aspirin tablet approach, and it does work, but the
    smoke is quite noxious.


    GC, as in General Chemical, iirc.
    Famous for Q Dope among other radio stuff.

    https://radiobanter.com/homebrew/23754-magnet-wire-stripper-gel-
    substitute.html

    IIRC it smelled like Easy-Off, a lye-based oven cleaner paste, with
    maybe some TCE like old time paint stripper (you know, the stuff that actually worked—Polystrippa, I think).

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    I think the active ingredient in the old style paint strippers was
    methylene chloride, hard to get these days, but you can still get solvent
    based epoxy paint strippers which have substituted a solvent not yet
    proven to be a strong carcinogen. Jasco Premium Paint & Epoxy Remover is
    one example readily available in the US.

    Zylene is also readily available in the US, it will strip construction
    adhesive (epoxy strippers won't), haven't tried it on epoxy but it might
    work. Use in something resembling a fume hood, it smells like your
    olfactory nerves are being attacked by a blowtorch. Epoxy stripper is not
    much better.

    The alcohol torch method is probably a lot safer, or mechanical stripping
    of solid wire (hard to do on litz).

    Glen

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  • From Don Y@21:1/5 to albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl on Mon Jun 23 19:29:28 2025
    On 6/23/2025 3:21 AM, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Have you tried the usual solvents (acetone, xylene, DCM, MEK, etc.)?

    Likely not acceptable in a commercial application but OK for a one-off
    (wear gloves, hold your breath, etc.)

    [Also, verify wire is actually copper]

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  • From Chris Jones@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Tue Jun 24 20:42:02 2025
    On 24/06/2025 4:48 am, Liz Tuddenham wrote:
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    In article <1redwas.10sf9o41u2k5q8N%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    Phil Hobbs <pcdhSpamMeSenseless@electrooptical.net> wrote:

    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote:
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's. >>>>>> The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no >>>>>> sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove >>>>>> the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar >>>>>> wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't >>>>>> work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Groetjes Albert


    Put some methylated spirits or ethanol in a small open metal container >>>>> such as the lid of a bottle . Set fire to it and hold the end of the >>>>> wire in the flame until it is red hot. Plunge it downwards into the >>>>> liquid and slide it out sideways so it doesn't get heated a second time. >>>>>
    There will be a chemical reaction between the oxide on the red hot
    copper and the ethanol, which removes the oxide and leaves the wire
    bright and clean.

    Have a piece of metal ready to put over the container to extinguish the >>>>> flame and plan in advance how you will deal with the rapidly-spreading >>>>> fire if you upset the container. Put the bottle of ethanol some
    distance away.



    Fun. I’ll try it outdoors sometime, but not at my bench!

    When I worke at Eddystone Radio, that was the standard method of dealing >>> with Litz wire. The meths pot was like an old fashoined whale-oil lamp
    with a spout and it was mounted in an asbestos-lined steel box with a
    hinged lid that could be flipped down in emergency.

    The chief engineer also used it to light his cigarettes.

    This doesn't appreciate the fact that better and better plastics
    are used. E.g. a bag of nuts can't be opened by hand, you
    really need a knife for that.
    The inner surface of a soda can is coated. I tried to burn it
    off, then polish it. Forget it! The soda can is destroyed before
    the coating gets it.
    Mechanical removing of the coating is always possible, but it is
    increasingly difficult if the wire gets thinner, 0.25 mm.

    Some wires now have a 'self-fluxing' coating, which breaks down at
    soldering temperature and allows the wire to be easily tinned, but your description of the problems you were having suggested that this wire
    wasn't the self-fluxing type.


    I'll try the Liz method. This resemble what I have already tried,
    but my wire melted. It is also clear that I have to have tinned
    the wire before winding the coil.

    You may find that the lower temperature of an ethanol flame doesn't melt
    the wire (assuming the wire is copper, not aluminium). The base of the
    flame will be cooler than the top, so you may be able to find a suitable temperature zone which produces just enough heat to remove the oxide
    when you quench it. The wire should then be easily tinned with ordinary flux-cored solder.



    If the wire is getting too hot too fast and melting, or if the wire
    cools down too much so that it is no longer red hot when it plunges into
    the alcohol, then it can help to twist it with a bunch of short similar diameter copper wires (which can be bare copper e.g. from a mains
    cable), so that the wire being heated has more thermal mass. If I can
    get the thermal time constant to be at least a second, I find that makes
    the process easier to control.

    Really, I would buy some wire with solderable enamel. This will save
    time in the long run.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to Chris Jones on Tue Jun 24 12:37:14 2025
    Chris Jones <lugnut808@spam.yahoo.com> wrote:

    [...]
    If the wire is getting too hot too fast and melting, or if the wire
    cools down too much so that it is no longer red hot when it plunges into
    the alcohol, then it can help to twist it with a bunch of short similar diameter copper wires (which can be bare copper e.g. from a mains
    cable), so that the wire being heated has more thermal mass. If I can
    get the thermal time constant to be at least a second, I find that makes
    the process easier to control.

    That's an excellent idea and it makes subsequent soldering much easier
    too.

    I have seen something like that where very fine windings were brought
    out to terminals by thicker ones but had previously assumed it was just
    to prevent damage to the fine wire by leading it out through the layers
    of insulation. A lot of older devices: transformers, headphones, electromagnets etc. from the valve days, needed high-impedance windings
    and this technique was often used. I expect it made the assembly work a
    lot faster and less tricky - and the product more reliable.


    --
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    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Glen Walpert on Tue Jun 24 11:51:19 2025
    Glen Walpert <nospam@null.void> wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 01:05:49 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs wrote:

    <clip

    A less exciting approach is a bottle of GC Strip-X. I donÂ’t know if
    it’s still available—I don’t recommend using that as a search
    term. :(

    Is that GC, or MG Chemical? GC makes mechanical strippers these days.


    The right answer is probably a solder pot.

    Which won't work with Formvar coatings at all. There are stripped
    mechanically, with rotating rubber eraser wheels that wear plastic far
    faster than copper.

    What would also work would be a small pot of hot lye solution.

    I've used the melted aspirin tablet approach, and it does work, but the
    smoke is quite noxious.


    GC, as in General Chemical, iirc.
    Famous for Q Dope among other radio stuff.

    https://radiobanter.com/homebrew/23754-magnet-wire-stripper-gel-
    substitute.html

    IIRC it smelled like Easy-Off, a lye-based oven cleaner paste, with
    maybe some TCE like old time paint stripper (you know, the stuff that
    actually worked—Polystrippa, I think).

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    I think the active ingredient in the old style paint strippers was
    methylene chloride, hard to get these days, but you can still get solvent based epoxy paint strippers which have substituted a solvent not yet
    proven to be a strong carcinogen. Jasco Premium Paint & Epoxy Remover is
    one example readily available in the US.

    Zylene is also readily available in the US, it will strip construction adhesive (epoxy strippers won't), haven't tried it on epoxy but it might work. Use in something resembling a fume hood, it smells like your
    olfactory nerves are being attacked by a blowtorch. Epoxy stripper is not much better.

    The alcohol torch method is probably a lot safer, or mechanical stripping
    of solid wire (hard to do on litz).

    Glen


    Methylene chloride, right y’are.

    Thanks

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs Principal Consultant ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 24 11:09:04 2025
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 01:49:42 GMT, Glen Walpert <nospam@null.void>
    wrote:

    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 01:05:49 -0000 (UTC), Phil Hobbs wrote:

    <clip

    A less exciting approach is a bottle of GC Strip-X. I don?t know if
    it?s still available?I don?t recommend using that as a search
    term. :(

    Is that GC, or MG Chemical? GC makes mechanical strippers these days.


    The right answer is probably a solder pot.

    Which won't work with Formvar coatings at all. There are stripped
    mechanically, with rotating rubber eraser wheels that wear plastic far
    faster than copper.

    What would also work would be a small pot of hot lye solution.

    I've used the melted aspirin tablet approach, and it does work, but the
    smoke is quite noxious.


    GC, as in General Chemical, iirc.
    Famous for Q Dope among other radio stuff.

    < https://radiobanter.com/homebrew/23754-magnet-wire-stripper-gel-substitute.html >

    IIRC it smelled like Easy-Off, a lye-based oven cleaner paste, with
    maybe some TCE like old time paint stripper (you know, the stuff that
    actually worked—Polystrippa, I think).

    The problem seems to be that "GC" is heavily overloaded.

    .<https://gcelectronics.com/about>

    I found the original MSDS. Google for "GC Strip-X 10-2602.pdf"
    (without quotes). It's Methylene Chloride, Phenol, and Ammonia.


    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    I think the active ingredient in the old style paint strippers was
    methylene chloride, hard to get these days, but you can still get solvent >based epoxy paint strippers which have substituted a solvent not yet
    proven to be a strong carcinogen. Jasco Premium Paint & Epoxy Remover is
    one example readily available in the US.

    That's correct.

    Methylene Chloride was recently forbidden across the board, so there
    are no effective chemical strippers left. Other than boiling lye.


    Zylene is also readily available in the US, it will strip construction >adhesive (epoxy strippers won't), haven't tried it on epoxy but it might >work. Use in something resembling a fume hood, it smells like your
    olfactory nerves are being attacked by a blowtorch. Epoxy stripper is not >much better.

    I don't think that Xylene will strip catalyzed films fast enough to
    matter. It takes small molecules that can diffuse into the film.


    The alcohol torch method is probably a lot safer, or mechanical stripping
    of solid wire (hard to do on litz).

    As has been suggested, wrapping the fine Litz wire strands around a
    heavier lead wire and using the alcohol torch and dip method on the
    whole assembly, immediately followed by soft soldering, sounds best.

    Joe

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  • From Lasse Langwadt@21:1/5 to albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl on Tue Jun 24 22:41:20 2025
    On 6/23/25 12:21, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.


    are you sure it is copper and not copper coated aluminium?

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  • From Joe Gwinn@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 24 18:28:42 2025
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 22:41:20 +0200, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk>
    wrote:

    On 6/23/25 12:21, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.


    are you sure it is copper and not copper coated aluminium?

    Wouldn't the aluminum reveal itself by melting?

    Joe

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  • From Lasse Langwadt@21:1/5 to Joe Gwinn on Wed Jun 25 18:09:02 2025
    On 6/25/25 00:28, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 22:41:20 +0200, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk>
    wrote:

    On 6/23/25 12:21, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.


    are you sure it is copper and not copper coated aluminium?

    Wouldn't the aluminum reveal itself by melting?


    yes, copper usually just glows, aluminium melts

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  • From albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl@21:1/5 to llc@fonz.dk on Thu Jun 26 18:04:15 2025
    In article <103h6uu$2savt$1@dont-email.me>,
    Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk> wrote:
    On 6/25/25 00:28, Joe Gwinn wrote:
    On Tue, 24 Jun 2025 22:41:20 +0200, Lasse Langwadt <llc@fonz.dk>
    wrote:

    On 6/23/25 12:21, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
    I remember soldering coil/transformer wire was simple in the 70's.
    The trick was putting the wire an aspirin tablet and 0.1 mm was no
    sweat.

    Now for the 1v-5v step up converter I followed the advice, and remove
    the winding of a 5x5 mm ferrite coil and replaced it with a bifilar
    wire with the same number of turns. This was surprisingly easy.
    .35 mm wire with 2*.25 wire. (The wire was stolen from a broken
    ventilator.)

    Now I get stuck. I can't solder the wire! The aspirine trick doesn't
    work. Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.


    are you sure it is copper and not copper coated aluminium?

    Wouldn't the aluminum reveal itself by melting?


    yes, copper usually just glows, aluminium melts

    I find it unlikely with house hold items to find aluminum wires.

    The wire I use is .25 mm. In a natural gas flame this melts
    readily. This must be copper or I would have not the slightest
    chance to solder it.

    Groetjes Albert
    --
    The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
    The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
    over 80 years, like Western Europe.

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  • From Ralph Mowery@21:1/5 to All on Thu Jun 26 16:57:53 2025
    In article <nnd$3c2ee3c9$5821dd46@9a3444084143502b>,
    albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl says...

    I find it unlikely with house hold items to find aluminum wires.

    The wire I use is .25 mm. In a natural gas flame this melts
    readily. This must be copper or I would have not the slightest
    chance to solder it.




    I have noticed that many wires comming from China or bought on ebay is
    copper coated aluminum (if not some other thing that is not mentioned)

    Ralph ku4pt

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  • From Chris Jones@21:1/5 to Ralph Mowery on Fri Jun 27 11:42:44 2025
    On 27/06/2025 6:57 am, Ralph Mowery wrote:
    In article <nnd$3c2ee3c9$5821dd46@9a3444084143502b>, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl says...

    I find it unlikely with house hold items to find aluminum wires.

    The wire I use is .25 mm. In a natural gas flame this melts
    readily. This must be copper or I would have not the slightest
    chance to solder it.




    I have noticed that many wires comming from China or bought on ebay is
    copper coated aluminum (if not some other thing that is not mentioned)


    indeed. The windings of many microwave oven transformers are
    copper-coated aluminium.

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  • From albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl@21:1/5 to rmowery42@charter.net on Fri Jun 27 20:29:53 2025
    In article <MPG.42c77e58c64c37a898a047@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
    In article <nnd$3c2ee3c9$5821dd46@9a3444084143502b>, >albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl says...

    I find it unlikely with house hold items to find aluminum wires.

    The wire I use is .25 mm. In a natural gas flame this melts
    readily. This must be copper or I would have not the slightest
    chance to solder it.




    I have noticed that many wires comming from China or bought on ebay is
    copper coated aluminum (if not some other thing that is not mentioned)

    Aluminium is cheaper than copper, but i doubt that copper coating
    .25 mm wire is cost effective.
    Aluminium with a few percent copper is a thing (in aviation),
    so the metals have an affinity.
    The Chinese are so advanced that they draw aluminium wire in vacuum -
    to avoid oxidation - and then run them -ma shang- through molten
    copper, to spare a few bucks on material?


    Ralph ku4pt

    --
    The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
    The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
    over 80 years, like Western Europe.

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  • From Liz Tuddenham@21:1/5 to albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl on Sat Jun 28 08:16:51 2025
    <albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    [...]
    . Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Are you sure the black substance was carbon (Element 6, Kohlenstoff)?
    It might have been black copper oxide, which would not burn away at red
    heat.


    --
    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~
    (Remove the ".invalid"s and add ".co.uk" to reply)
    www.poppyrecords.co.uk

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  • From albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl@21:1/5 to Liz Tuddenham on Sat Jun 28 19:13:11 2025
    In article <1rempgk.n37kkm1vn82awN%liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid>,
    Liz Tuddenham <liz@poppyrecords.invalid.invalid> wrote: ><albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl> wrote:

    [...]
    . Burning the insulation turn it into a black coating that
    is equally tenacious. Making the copper redhot to burn the coal,
    only make the copper to melt.

    Are you sure the black substance was carbon (Element 6, Kohlenstoff)?
    It might have been black copper oxide, which would not burn away at red
    heat.

    Indeed. I thought that because it rejects solder.

    ~ Liz Tuddenham ~

    Groetjes Albert
    --
    The Chinese government is satisfied with its military superiority over USA.
    The next 5 year plan has as primary goal to advance life expectancy
    over 80 years, like Western Europe.

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  • From Lasse Langwadt@21:1/5 to albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl on Tue Jul 1 17:41:23 2025
    On 6/27/25 20:29, albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl wrote:
    In article <MPG.42c77e58c64c37a898a047@news.eternal-september.org>,
    Ralph Mowery <rmowery42@charter.net> wrote:
    In article <nnd$3c2ee3c9$5821dd46@9a3444084143502b>,
    albert@spenarnc.xs4all.nl says...

    I find it unlikely with house hold items to find aluminum wires.

    The wire I use is .25 mm. In a natural gas flame this melts
    readily. This must be copper or I would have not the slightest
    chance to solder it.




    I have noticed that many wires comming from China or bought on ebay is
    copper coated aluminum (if not some other thing that is not mentioned)

    Aluminium is cheaper than copper, but i doubt that copper coating
    .25 mm wire is cost effective.

    you can doubt but ...

    The Chinese are so advanced that they draw aluminium wire in vacuum -
    to avoid oxidation - and then run them -ma shang- through molten
    copper, to spare a few bucks on material?

    that is not how it is made, google CCA wire

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