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    From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Don Y on Fri Jul 11 19:41:11 2025
    On 7/11/25 02:35, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/10/2025 5:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-11 01:20, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/10/2025 3:14 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-10 23:39, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/10/2025 12:00 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-10 15:55, Don Y wrote:
    Again, which plants?  Was there policy in place that caused this >>>>>>> (if so,
    why hadn't ALL plants?)

    "...because ‘some operators’ were not complying with the
    regulations"

    Which?

    "The report, due to a ‘confidentiality obligation’ has “anonymised”
    information, ‘on most occasions’ at the request of the actors >>>>>>> involved..."

    Do you see the pattern, here?

    I.e., "Someone was killed.  We've spoken to the killer -- who
    shall remain
    anonymous and promise not to do it again..."


    Because if not, they would not have talked and the cause would not >>>>>> be known and corrective action not taken fast.

    "Something horrific happened.  We've spoken to the parties
    responsible.
    We *think* they won't do it again but don't want anyone to know who
    was actually responsible (as THEY aren't part of the problem??)"

    Finding a culprit to sue will take decades (it is another
    investigation), and we want solutions now.

    So, let's just keep the "bad actor" in the same position of
    responsibility
    WHILE we are deciding who to sue?

    I prefer to have electricity than a culprit.

    But you have no assurance that you will *still* have electricity!
    If the same "actors" are in place, what guarantee that they won't
    similarly screw up next week/month/year?  What incentive do THEY
    have to "perform correctly" -- if the NEXT lawsuit will be years
    after the *first* lawsuit?

    If you hide their identities *now*, that doesn't prevent all the
    same "anonymized data" from being subpoenaed and introduced as
    evidence in their later *trial*.  They're still on-the-hook
    for their responsibility.

    (Ah, but stockholders can continue to profit UNTIL the trial...)


    Typical American: Sue! Sue! Sue!

    Jeroen Belleman

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  • From Phil Hobbs@21:1/5 to Jeroen Belleman on Fri Jul 11 16:14:42 2025
    On 2025-07-11 13:41, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 7/11/25 02:35, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/10/2025 5:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-11 01:20, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/10/2025 3:14 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-10 23:39, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/10/2025 12:00 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-10 15:55, Don Y wrote:
    Again, which plants?  Was there policy in place that caused this >>>>>>>> (if so,
    why hadn't ALL plants?)

    "...because ‘some operators’ were not complying with the
    regulations"

    Which?

    "The report, due to a ‘confidentiality obligation’ has “anonymised”
    information, ‘on most occasions’ at the request of the actors >>>>>>>> involved..."

    Do you see the pattern, here?

    I.e., "Someone was killed.  We've spoken to the killer -- who >>>>>>>> shall remain
    anonymous and promise not to do it again..."


    Because if not, they would not have talked and the cause would
    not be known and corrective action not taken fast.

    "Something horrific happened.  We've spoken to the parties
    responsible.
    We *think* they won't do it again but don't want anyone to know who >>>>>> was actually responsible (as THEY aren't part of the problem??)"

    Finding a culprit to sue will take decades (it is another
    investigation), and we want solutions now.

    So, let's just keep the "bad actor" in the same position of
    responsibility
    WHILE we are deciding who to sue?

    I prefer to have electricity than a culprit.

    But you have no assurance that you will *still* have electricity!
    If the same "actors" are in place, what guarantee that they won't
    similarly screw up next week/month/year?  What incentive do THEY
    have to "perform correctly" -- if the NEXT lawsuit will be years
    after the *first* lawsuit?

    If you hide their identities *now*, that doesn't prevent all the
    same "anonymized data" from being subpoenaed and introduced as
    evidence in their later *trial*.  They're still on-the-hook
    for their responsibility.

    (Ah, but stockholders can continue to profit UNTIL the trial...)


    Typical American: Sue! Sue! Sue!

    Jeroen Belleman

    Y'all come visit, and see.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs

    --
    Dr Philip C D Hobbs
    Principal Consultant
    ElectroOptical Innovations LLC / Hobbs ElectroOptics
    Optics, Electro-optics, Photonics, Analog Electronics
    Briarcliff Manor NY 10510

    http://electrooptical.net
    http://hobbs-eo.com

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  • From Jeroen Belleman@21:1/5 to Phil Hobbs on Sat Jul 12 20:36:19 2025
    On 7/11/25 22:14, Phil Hobbs wrote:
    On 2025-07-11 13:41, Jeroen Belleman wrote:
    On 7/11/25 02:35, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/10/2025 5:27 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-11 01:20, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/10/2025 3:14 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-10 23:39, Don Y wrote:
    On 7/10/2025 12:00 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
    On 2025-07-10 15:55, Don Y wrote:
    Again, which plants?  Was there policy in place that caused >>>>>>>>> this (if so,
    why hadn't ALL plants?)

    "...because ‘some operators’ were not complying with the >>>>>>>>> regulations"

    Which?

    "The report, due to a ‘confidentiality obligation’ has
    “anonymised”
    information, ‘on most occasions’ at the request of the actors >>>>>>>>> involved..."

    Do you see the pattern, here?

    I.e., "Someone was killed.  We've spoken to the killer -- who >>>>>>>>> shall remain
    anonymous and promise not to do it again..."


    Because if not, they would not have talked and the cause would >>>>>>>> not be known and corrective action not taken fast.

    "Something horrific happened.  We've spoken to the parties
    responsible.
    We *think* they won't do it again but don't want anyone to know who >>>>>>> was actually responsible (as THEY aren't part of the problem??)"

    Finding a culprit to sue will take decades (it is another
    investigation), and we want solutions now.

    So, let's just keep the "bad actor" in the same position of
    responsibility
    WHILE we are deciding who to sue?

    I prefer to have electricity than a culprit.

    But you have no assurance that you will *still* have electricity!
    If the same "actors" are in place, what guarantee that they won't
    similarly screw up next week/month/year?  What incentive do THEY
    have to "perform correctly" -- if the NEXT lawsuit will be years
    after the *first* lawsuit?

    If you hide their identities *now*, that doesn't prevent all the
    same "anonymized data" from being subpoenaed and introduced as
    evidence in their later *trial*.  They're still on-the-hook
    for their responsibility.

    (Ah, but stockholders can continue to profit UNTIL the trial...)


    Typical American: Sue! Sue! Sue!

    Jeroen Belleman

    Y'all come visit, and see.

    Cheers

    Phil Hobbs


    Not right now, sorry. Too afraid to end up in a Salvadorian prison.
    Maybe when civilization returns.

    Jeroen Belleman

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