https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

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On 15/07/2025 12:58 am, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

It's the usual right-wing climate change denial propaganda.

The reality is that renewable sources - wind turbines and solar cells -
offer the cheapest sources of electrical power available. Close to the
equator solar cells win hands down, but as you get as far away from the
equator as the UK and Germany, wind turbines get more competitive.

Half the retail price of electricity pays for the cost of the
electricity distribution system and that has to be reorganised to
distribute power from solar cells and wind turbines, as they can't be
built exactly where the old coal-fired generators used to be.

Paying for that capital work costs money, which means the fact that
generating the power is now getting cheaper hasn't yet shown up in the electricity bills.

The joke is that with grid-scale storage you don't actually need a
national grid, so the distribution costs will eventually start falling
too, but that's further away than the right-wing alarmists at Zero Hedge
are willing to think about.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 7/14/2025 10:58 AM, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

"Will their defiance ignite a firestorm—or vanish in the memory hole
crafted by media gatekeepers?"

Sort of like the Epstein files, all stories useful for directing
right-wing peasants brains tend to do the latter, when their creators no
longer find them useful..

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On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:10:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/2025 10:58 AM, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

"Will their defiance ignite a firestorm—or vanish in the memory hole
crafted by media gatekeepers?"

Germany is actively de-industrializing, and destroying its own
culture. The union protests won't stop that. At best, the government
will pay off the unions for a few years more.

Germany has something like the 3rd highest cost of electricity in the
world. About 3x the cost of power in the USA and 5x the cost of power
in China. And rolling blackouts make it hard to run a pick-and-place
line.

Sort of like the Epstein files, all stories useful for directing
right-wing peasants brains tend to do the latter, when their creators no >longer find them useful..

Do you refer to the deplorable ignorant peasants that don't have jobs
and can't afford to heat their homes?

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On 16/07/2025 1:46 am, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:10:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/2025 10:58 AM, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

"Will their defiance ignite a firestorm—or vanish in the memory hole
crafted by media gatekeepers?"

Germany is actively de-industrializing, and destroying its own
culture. The union protests won't stop that. At best, the government
will pay off the unions for a few years more.

This is a bizarre claim. John Larkin seems to be equating a retreat from
fossil fuels with a non-existent retreat from using energy and
translating that into de-industralisation. If you are dim enough to
think that Donald Trump has common sense, you might believe that.

Germany has something like the 3rd highest cost of electricity in the
world. About 3x the cost of power in the USA and 5x the cost of power
in China.

Germany doesn't have much in the way of hydroelectric power - no Hoover
Dam and no Three Gorges Dam. It's also a bit far north for really cheap
solar power, and hasn't got enough coastline for enough off-shore
windfarms to make a difference. At least they haven't got Trump's
policies of actively discouraging investment in renewable energy
sources, but paying off that investment comes out of the price of the
energy generated.

And rolling blackouts make it hard to run a pick-and-place
line.

But are there any "rolling blackouts" in Germany?

Sort of like the Epstein files, all stories useful for directing
right-wing peasants brains tend to do the latter, when their creators no
longer find them useful..

Do you refer to the deplorable ignorant peasants that don't have jobs
and can't afford to heat their homes?

No, the deplorably ignorant peasants who were silly enough to vote for
Trump and are now finding that their consumer durables which were
imported from China are now priced out of their reach by Trump's tariffs.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On 7/15/2025 11:46 AM, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:10:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/2025 10:58 AM, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

"Will their defiance ignite a firestorm—or vanish in the memory hole
crafted by media gatekeepers?"

Germany is actively de-industrializing, and destroying its own
culture. The union protests won't stop that. At best, the government
will pay off the unions for a few years more.

Germany has something like the 3rd highest cost of electricity in the
world. About 3x the cost of power in the USA and 5x the cost of power
in China. And rolling blackouts make it hard to run a pick-and-place
line.

Sort of like the Epstein files, all stories useful for directing
right-wing peasants brains tend to do the latter, when their creators no
longer find them useful..

Do you refer to the deplorable ignorant peasants that don't have jobs
and can't afford to heat their homes?

I can't say I particularly like folks who adopt the moniker of
"deplorable" voluntarily, or understand why they believe all the things
they do, but I think they deserve the truth.

More than the Trump administration seems to think they deserve, as I
figure it.

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On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 13:22:23 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/15/2025 11:46 AM, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:10:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/2025 10:58 AM, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

"Will their defiance ignite a firestorm—or vanish in the memory hole
crafted by media gatekeepers?"

Germany is actively de-industrializing, and destroying its own
culture. The union protests won't stop that. At best, the government
will pay off the unions for a few years more.

Germany has something like the 3rd highest cost of electricity in the
world. About 3x the cost of power in the USA and 5x the cost of power
in China. And rolling blackouts make it hard to run a pick-and-place
line.

Sort of like the Epstein files, all stories useful for directing
right-wing peasants brains tend to do the latter, when their creators no >>> longer find them useful..

Do you refer to the deplorable ignorant peasants that don't have jobs
and can't afford to heat their homes?

I can't say I particularly like folks who adopt the moniker of
"deplorable" voluntarily,

Hillary made the term popular.

or understand why they believe all the things
they do, but I think they deserve the truth.

Ah. Truth.

More than the Trump administration seems to think they deserve, as I
figure it.

Trump, Trump, Trump. That sounds like the New York Times, who couldn't
print a blueberry muffin recipe without insulting Trump.

Google "Germany deindustrialization"

And maybe "China coal"

And just for fun, "Louisiana energy policy"

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On 17/07/2025 4:35 am, john larkin wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 13:22:23 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/15/2025 11:46 AM, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:10:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/2025 10:58 AM, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

<snip>

I can't say I particularly like folks who adopt the moniker of
"deplorable" voluntarily,

Hillary made the term popular.

Trump's supporters did their bit too.

or understand why they believe all the things
they do, but I think they deserve the truth.

Ah. Truth.

More than the Trump administration seems to think they deserve, as I
figure it.

Trump, Trump, Trump. That sounds like the New York Times, who couldn't
print a blueberry muffin recipe without insulting Trump.

But is Trump being insulted often enough? He's wrecking the US economy
and damaging pretty much everybody's else's economies. He deserves
insults and rather more consequential push-back, like impeachment.

Google "Germany deindustrialization"

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2024/03/27/germanys-real-challenges-are-aging-underinvestment-and-too-much-red-tape

It was a brief consequence of the spike in natural gas prices driven by
the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. It's pretty much over, but the
right-wing hasn't noticed.

And maybe "China coal"

And just for fun, "Louisiana energy policy"

Why bother? They aren't going to say what you have persuaded yourself
that they are saying.

Trump thinks that exporting countries will pay the tariffs he is levying
on their imports to the USA. In reality they get paid by the American
consumer. His supporters seem to be equally willing to delude themselves.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 17:00:24 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

On 17/07/2025 4:35 am, john larkin wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 13:22:23 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/15/2025 11:46 AM, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:10:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/14/2025 10:58 AM, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

<snip>

I can't say I particularly like folks who adopt the moniker of
"deplorable" voluntarily,

Hillary made the term popular.

Trump's supporters did their bit too.

or understand why they believe all the things
they do, but I think they deserve the truth.

Ah. Truth.

More than the Trump administration seems to think they deserve, as I
figure it.

Trump, Trump, Trump. That sounds like the New York Times, who couldn't
print a blueberry muffin recipe without insulting Trump.

But is Trump being insulted often enough? He's wrecking the US economy
and damaging pretty much everybody's else's economies. He deserves
insults and rather more consequential push-back, like impeachment.

Google "Germany deindustrialization"

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2024/03/27/germanys-real-challenges-are-aging-underinvestment-and-too-much-red-tape

It was a brief consequence of the spike in natural gas prices driven by
the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. It's pretty much over, but the >right-wing hasn't noticed.

And maybe "China coal"

And just for fun, "Louisiana energy policy"

Why bother? They aren't going to say what you have persuaded yourself
that they are saying.

Trump thinks that exporting countries will pay the tariffs he is levying
on their imports to the USA. In reality they get paid by the American >consumer. His supporters seem to be equally willing to delude themselves.

Get a job.

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On 18/07/2025 2:33 am, john larkin wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 17:00:24 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

On 17/07/2025 4:35 am, john larkin wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 13:22:23 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/15/2025 11:46 AM, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:10:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>

On 7/14/2025 10:58 AM, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

<snip>

I can't say I particularly like folks who adopt the moniker of
"deplorable" voluntarily,

Hillary made the term popular.

Trump's supporters did their bit too.

or understand why they believe all the things
they do, but I think they deserve the truth.

Ah. Truth.

More than the Trump administration seems to think they deserve, as I
figure it.

Trump, Trump, Trump. That sounds like the New York Times, who couldn't
print a blueberry muffin recipe without insulting Trump.

But is Trump being insulted often enough? He's wrecking the US economy
and damaging pretty much everybody's else's economies. He deserves
insults and rather more consequential push-back, like impeachment.

Google "Germany deindustrialization"

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2024/03/27/germanys-real-challenges-are-aging-underinvestment-and-too-much-red-tape

It was a brief consequence of the spike in natural gas prices driven by
the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. It's pretty much over, but the
right-wing hasn't noticed.

And maybe "China coal"

And just for fun, "Louisiana energy policy"

Why bother? They aren't going to say what you have persuaded yourself
that they are saying.

Trump thinks that exporting countries will pay the tariffs he is levying
on their imports to the USA. In reality they get paid by the American
consumer. His supporters seem to be equally willing to delude themselves.

Get a job.

I apply for them regularly, and get knocked back equally regularly, as
you'd expect with a 82-year-old applicant. You could try to offer
slightly more realistic advice, but realism isn't your strong suit.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:56:44 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

On 18/07/2025 2:33 am, john larkin wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 17:00:24 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

On 17/07/2025 4:35 am, john larkin wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 13:22:23 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote:

On 7/15/2025 11:46 AM, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:10:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>

On 7/14/2025 10:58 AM, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

<snip>

I can't say I particularly like folks who adopt the moniker of
"deplorable" voluntarily,

Hillary made the term popular.

Trump's supporters did their bit too.

or understand why they believe all the things
they do, but I think they deserve the truth.

Ah. Truth.

More than the Trump administration seems to think they deserve, as I >>>>> figure it.

Trump, Trump, Trump. That sounds like the New York Times, who couldn't >>>> print a blueberry muffin recipe without insulting Trump.

But is Trump being insulted often enough? He's wrecking the US economy
and damaging pretty much everybody's else's economies. He deserves
insults and rather more consequential push-back, like impeachment.

Google "Germany deindustrialization"

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2024/03/27/germanys-real-challenges-are-aging-underinvestment-and-too-much-red-tape

It was a brief consequence of the spike in natural gas prices driven by
the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. It's pretty much over, but the
right-wing hasn't noticed.

And maybe "China coal"

And just for fun, "Louisiana energy policy"

Why bother? They aren't going to say what you have persuaded yourself
that they are saying.

Trump thinks that exporting countries will pay the tariffs he is levying >>> on their imports to the USA. In reality they get paid by the American
consumer. His supporters seem to be equally willing to delude themselves. >>

Get a job.

I apply for them regularly, and get knocked back equally regularly, as
you'd expect with a 82-year-old applicant. You could try to offer
slightly more realistic advice, but realism isn't your strong suit.

One of the keys to getting a job is likability.

You might try that. I guess I'm being unrealistic again.

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On 19/07/2025 3:35 am, john larkin wrote:

On Fri, 18 Jul 2025 15:56:44 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

On 18/07/2025 2:33 am, john larkin wrote:

On Thu, 17 Jul 2025 17:00:24 +1000, Bill Sloman <bill.sloman@ieee.org>
wrote:

On 17/07/2025 4:35 am, john larkin wrote:

On Wed, 16 Jul 2025 13:22:23 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>

On 7/15/2025 11:46 AM, john larkin wrote:

On Tue, 15 Jul 2025 11:10:27 -0400, bitrex <user@example.net> wrote: >>>>>>>

On 7/14/2025 10:58 AM, john larkin wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

<snip>

I can't say I particularly like folks who adopt the moniker of
"deplorable" voluntarily,

Hillary made the term popular.

Trump's supporters did their bit too.

or understand why they believe all the things
they do, but I think they deserve the truth.

Ah. Truth.

More than the Trump administration seems to think they deserve, as I >>>>>> figure it.

Trump, Trump, Trump. That sounds like the New York Times, who couldn't >>>>> print a blueberry muffin recipe without insulting Trump.

But is Trump being insulted often enough? He's wrecking the US economy >>>> and damaging pretty much everybody's else's economies. He deserves
insults and rather more consequential push-back, like impeachment.

Google "Germany deindustrialization"

https://www.imf.org/en/News/Articles/2024/03/27/germanys-real-challenges-are-aging-underinvestment-and-too-much-red-tape

It was a brief consequence of the spike in natural gas prices driven by >>>> the Russian invasion of the Ukraine. It's pretty much over, but the
right-wing hasn't noticed.

And maybe "China coal"

And just for fun, "Louisiana energy policy"

Why bother? They aren't going to say what you have persuaded yourself >>>> that they are saying.

Trump thinks that exporting countries will pay the tariffs he is levying >>>> on their imports to the USA. In reality they get paid by the American
consumer. His supporters seem to be equally willing to delude themselves. >>>

Get a job.

I apply for them regularly, and get knocked back equally regularly, as
you'd expect with a 82-year-old applicant. You could try to offer
slightly more realistic advice, but realism isn't your strong suit.

One of the keys to getting a job is likability.

You might try that. I guess I'm being unrealistic again.

Appealing to narcissists is a specialised skill. It involves lying to
them, which I don't do. I get on fine with regular people, and the very occasional job interviews I have got seemed to have gone tolerably well,
not that I've got a job in the last 25 years (apart from the NSW IEEE
gigs, which aren't paid).

Your compulsive desire to be flattered does warp any judgement you may
have, and is one more of the areas where you come across as unrealistic.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 07:58:01 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/editorial-soaring-comed-bills-us-100000538.html

Green suicide.

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On 25/07/2025 12:19 am, john larkin wrote:

On Mon, 14 Jul 2025 07:58:01 -0700, john larkin <jl@glen--canyon.com>
wrote:

https://www.zerohedge.com/energy/dissonance-green-valhalla-german-workers-break-climate-silence

https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/editorial-soaring-comed-bills-us-100000538.html

Green suicide.

At no point does the editorial mention that the renewable generators
that is being bitched about are cheaper power sources than generators
powered by burning fossil carbon (which are still cheaper than nuclear generating plants).

What they do emphasise is that the new high voltage transmission lines
needed to get the extra power to the computing centres that are using it
up aren't being built as fast as they should be.

The price rises are all about discouraging people from buying power that
can't be delivered.

It might be suicide by bit-coin mining. The greens don't come into it.

The fossil-carbon funded climate change denial propaganda machine
doesn't let mere facts stand in it's way. It aims at the same gullible electorate that voted for Donald Trump - you can sometimes fool enough
of the people enough of the time. John Larkin would be part of that
electorate, if he voted.

--
Bill Sloman, Sydney

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