• Re: He dumps on Kelly and ignores the elephant in the room.

    From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to Greta Thongturd on Tue Oct 29 11:43:01 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, alt.politics.media

    On 10/29/2024 5:15 AM, Greta Thongturd wrote:
    Bob F wrote:
    On 10/28/2024 10:16 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 10/28/2024 10:57 AM, Comerciante_Cuatro wrote:
    Bob F wrote:
    Tell us what tRump is going to do about the real problem of global
    warming. This is a far more serious problem for the whole world.

    Climate change is happening on Mars too.
    Is Cindy's SUV causing it or is it Bill Gates fleet of NetJets?


    Both are.  Seems a few people bring up the lame Mars thing, though it
    is completely unrelated.

    Burning 100 million tons of fossil fuel every day has consequences.
    Intelligent people can figure it out.

    After years of asking, I have yet to find a rightie that can describe
    the theory of how greenhouse gases can warm the planet, much less give
    a reasonable argument on how the theory is wrong.


    The "experts" tell us the Earth has experienced 3 climate-altering ice
    ages.

    Were these climate changes caused by cavemen building too many campfires?

    Or maybe the ice ages were caused by Bill Gates fleet of gas-guzzling NetJets?


    C'mon man, follow the science.

    Right here:

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZcVcFC85TxEEiirgfXwhfsw

    3-6-12!

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to Bob F on Tue Oct 29 11:46:16 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, alt.politics.media

    On 10/28/2024 8:37 PM, Bob F wrote:
    After years of asking, I have yet to find a rightie that can describe
    the theory of how greenhouse gases can warm the planet, much less give a reasonable argument on how the theory is wrong.

    Well it's your lucky day then shit for brains, enjoy:

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

    Viewpoint: Get off warming bandwagon
    Currents BBC
    Changes in ocean currents may cause global warning
    By Professor William M Gray of Colorado State University
    As a boy, I remember seeing articles about the large global warming that
    had taken place between 1900 and 1945. No one understood or knew if this warming would continue. Then the warming abated and I heard little about
    such warming through the late 1940s and into the 1970s.

    In fact, surface measurements showed a small global cooling between the mid-1940s and the early 1970s. During the 1970s, there was speculation concerning an increase in this cooling. Some speculated that a new ice
    age may not be far off.

    Then in the 1980s, it all changed again. The current global warming
    bandwagon that US-European governments have been alarming us with is
    still in full swing.

    Not our fault

    Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
    recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.

    These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
    the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
    times in the past.


    Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes

    William M. Gray
    Colorado State University
    This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in
    global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations.
    Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood.

    Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature
    changes. We are not that influential.

    There is a negative or complementary nature to human-induced greenhouse
    gas increases in comparison with the dominant natural greenhouse gas of
    water vapour and its cloud derivatives.

    It has been assumed by the human-induced global warming advocates that
    as anthropogenic greenhouse gases increase that water vapour and
    upper-level cloudiness will also rise and lead to accelerated warming -
    a positive feedback loop.

    It is not the human-induced greenhouse gases themselves which cause
    significant warming but the assumed extra water vapour and cloudiness
    that some scientists hypothesise.

    Negative feedback

    The global general circulation models which simulate significant amounts
    of human-induced warming are incorrectly structured to give this
    positive feedback loop.

    Their internal model assumptions are thus not realistic.


    As human-induced greenhouse gases rise, global-averaged upper-level
    atmospheric water vapour and thin cirrus should be expected to decrease
    not increase.

    Water vapour and cirrus cloudiness should be thought of as a negative
    rather than a positive feedback to human-induced - or anthropogenic
    greenhouse gas increases.

    No significant human-induced greenhouse gas warming can occur with such
    a negative feedback loop.

    Climate debate has 'life of its own'

    Our global climate's temperature has always fluctuated back and forth
    and it will continue to do so, irrespective of how much or how little greenhouse gases we put into the atmosphere.

    Although initially generated by honest scientific questions of how human-produced greenhouse gases might affect global climate, this topic
    has now taken on a life of its own.

    It has been extended and grossly exaggerated and misused by those
    wishing to make gain from the exploitation of ignorance on this subject.

    This includes the governments of developed countries, the media and
    scientists who are willing to bend their objectivity to obtain
    government grants for research on this topic.

    I have closely followed the carbon dioxide warming arguments. From what
    I have learned of how the atmosphere ticks over 40 years of study, I
    have been unable to convince myself that a doubling of human-induced
    greenhouse gases can lead to anything but quite small and insignificant
    amounts of global warming.

    The author is a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado where he is
    an expert in tropical meteorology.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to Vern on Tue Oct 29 11:40:11 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, alt.politics.media

    On 10/29/2024 11:11 AM, Vern wrote:
    Ed P wrote:
    On 10/29/2024 7:15 AM, Greta Thongturd wrote:
    Bob F wrote:
    On 10/28/2024 10:16 AM, Ed P wrote:
    On 10/28/2024 10:57 AM, Comerciante_Cuatro wrote:
    Bob F wrote:
    Tell us what tRump is going to do about the real problem of
    global warming. This is a far more serious problem for the whole >>>>>>> world.

    Climate change is happening on Mars too.
    Is Cindy's SUV causing it or is it Bill Gates fleet of NetJets?


    Both are.  Seems a few people bring up the lame Mars thing, though
    it is completely unrelated.

    Burning 100 million tons of fossil fuel every day has consequences.
    Intelligent people can figure it out.

    After years of asking, I have yet to find a rightie that can
    describe the theory of how greenhouse gases can warm the planet,
    much less give a reasonable argument on how the theory is wrong.


    The "experts" tell us the Earth has experienced 3 climate-altering
    ice ages.

    Were these climate changes caused by cavemen building too many
    campfires?

    Or maybe the ice ages were caused by Bill Gates fleet of gas-guzzling
    NetJets?


    C'mon man, follow the science.


    Exactly.  Follow the science and see how burning fossil fuels reacts.
    How the oceans absorb the heat, etc.

    Yes, Gates and others jets contribute to it. Open your mind and look
    at the facts.

    So Earth's previous three ice ages were caused by cavemen burning
    campfires?

    Are there cavemen on Mars?

    "https://mepag.jpl.nasa.gov/topten.cfm?topten=4"

    When Earth's climate change hoax is exposed, we'll likely find it to be another transfer of wealth to the globalist hoaxers. Don't be so gullible.

    They tried this with "the looming ice age" back in the 1970s too.

    Same stupid scam.

    https://flashbak.com/when-hell-freezes-over-remembering-the-pop-culture-ice-age-panic-of-the-1970s-27091/

    https://flashbak.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/12/TimeMagCoolingCovers.jpg

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to Ed P on Tue Oct 29 14:10:42 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics

    On 10/29/2024 1:02 PM, Ed P wrote:
    hat does not mean that what man does has no effect as we burn 100
    million tones of fuel every day.

    Your ignorance is incredible.

    Compared to YOURS?!?!


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm

    Viewpoint: Get off warming bandwagon
    Currents BBC
    Changes in ocean currents may cause global warning
    By Professor William M Gray of Colorado State University
    As a boy, I remember seeing articles about the large global warming that
    had taken place between 1900 and 1945. No one understood or knew if this warming would continue. Then the warming abated and I heard little about
    such warming through the late 1940s and into the 1970s.

    In fact, surface measurements showed a small global cooling between the mid-1940s and the early 1970s. During the 1970s, there was speculation concerning an increase in this cooling. Some speculated that a new ice
    age may not be far off.

    Then in the 1980s, it all changed again. The current global warming
    bandwagon that US-European governments have been alarming us with is
    still in full swing.

    Not our fault

    Are we, the fossil-fuel-burning public, partially responsible for this
    recent warming trend? Almost assuredly not.

    These small global temperature increases of the last 25 years and over
    the last century are likely natural changes that the globe has seen many
    times in the past.


    Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature changes

    William M. Gray
    Colorado State University
    This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in
    global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations.
    Ocean circulation variations are as yet little understood.

    Human kind has little or nothing to do with the recent temperature
    changes. We are not that influential.

    There is a negative or complementary nature to human-induced greenhouse
    gas increases in comparison with the dominant natural greenhouse gas of
    water vapour and its cloud derivatives.

    It has been assumed by the human-induced global warming advocates that
    as anthropogenic greenhouse gases increase that water vapour and
    upper-level cloudiness will also rise and lead to accelerated warming -
    a positive feedback loop.

    It is not the human-induced greenhouse gases themselves which cause
    significant warming but the assumed extra water vapour and cloudiness
    that some scientists hypothesise.

    Negative feedback

    The global general circulation models which simulate significant amounts
    of human-induced warming are incorrectly structured to give this
    positive feedback loop.

    Their internal model assumptions are thus not realistic.


    As human-induced greenhouse gases rise, global-averaged upper-level
    atmospheric water vapour and thin cirrus should be expected to decrease
    not increase.

    Water vapour and cirrus cloudiness should be thought of as a negative
    rather than a positive feedback to human-induced - or anthropogenic
    greenhouse gas increases.

    No significant human-induced greenhouse gas warming can occur with such
    a negative feedback loop.

    Climate debate has 'life of its own'

    Our global climate's temperature has always fluctuated back and forth
    and it will continue to do so, irrespective of how much or how little greenhouse gases we put into the atmosphere.

    Although initially generated by honest scientific questions of how human-produced greenhouse gases might affect global climate, this topic
    has now taken on a life of its own.

    It has been extended and grossly exaggerated and misused by those
    wishing to make gain from the exploitation of ignorance on this subject.

    This includes the governments of developed countries, the media and
    scientists who are willing to bend their objectivity to obtain
    government grants for research on this topic.

    I have closely followed the carbon dioxide warming arguments. From what
    I have learned of how the atmosphere ticks over 40 years of study, I
    have been unable to convince myself that a doubling of human-induced
    greenhouse gases can lead to anything but quite small and insignificant
    amounts of global warming.

    The author is a professor of atmospheric science at Colorado where he is
    an expert in tropical meteorology.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Tue Oct 29 17:02:31 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics

    On 10/29/2024 4:16 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    In sci.environment Citizen Winston Smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
    On 10/29/2024 1:02 PM, Ed P wrote:
    hat does not mean that what man does has no effect as we burn 100
    million tones of fuel every day.

    Your ignorance is incredible.

    Compared to YOURS?!?!


    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/in_depth/sci_tech/2000/climate_change/1023334.stm >>
    Viewpoint: Get off warming bandwagon
    Currents BBC
    Changes in ocean currents may cause global warning
    ...

    Global Warming means the net amount of heat on the planet is increasing.
    So kinda "obviously" that heat has to come from outside.
    And therefore is 99% likely from the sun.

    Duh.

    Changes in ocean currents can at best move heat around like the
    El Nino/La Nina cycles that it's been recently found are driven by
    the gravity of Jupiter.

    "This small warming is likely a result of the natural alterations in
    global ocean currents which are driven by ocean salinity variations."

    That's why the Bering Sea King crab fisheries are shut down. not enough
    cold water at the bottom.

    CO2 acts like
    the gas pedal in a car.

    Utter BULLSHITE!

    The 30% decrease in our magnetosphere is letting more solar radiation in.

    And it is visible very time the Auroral displays move south to states
    like Florida and Arizona.


    https://youtu.be/hn6F-FzvJNY

    Oct 10, 2024
    The northern lights made another appearance in Arizona Thursday night.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Wed Oct 30 09:34:35 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics

    On 10/29/2024 4:16 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    Global Warming means the net amount of heat on the planet is increasing.

    Global "warming" is cause by the heater - our sun.

    Any increase in particulate matter from humans increases albedo
    (reflectance) and that decreases solar insolation (heating).

    we could slightly force a mini ice age if we keep shooting enough
    aerosols into the atmosphere.

    And with solar cycle 26 due in a year, that puts us on an 11 year down
    cycle for solar inputs.

    You may intensely miss the recent and historically minor warming we
    have had.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Wed Oct 30 09:31:57 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics

    On 10/29/2024 5:58 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    In alt.global-warming Citizen Winston Smith <sss@example.de> wrote:
    The 30% decrease in our magnetosphere is letting more solar radiation in.

    LOL.

    No, it is nothing to laugh about.

    Skin cancer rates are way up as well.

    It's noted most places that global warming has been going in
    the opposite direction of "solar radiation" for at least 50 years.
    (The "quiet sun" and all that stuff).

    We are in and approaching the high point of solar cycle 25.

    You are a moron, a total deceit wrapped up in a peehole stretcher.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Wed Oct 30 09:36:23 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics

    On 10/29/2024 6:12 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    The LOL is for the apparent confusion between light and charged particles.

    The radiation coning through the weakened magnetosphere poses one awful
    risk to consider - a full on EMP/grid destructive event similar to
    1859'd Carrington Event.

    Only this time our electrical dependence isn't just telegraph lines.

    You really are a malevolent disinformation agent.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Wed Oct 30 12:24:15 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On 10/30/2024 12:09 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    Now you're just projecting.

    Listen to me peehole stretcher - YOU ARE A PAID DISINFORMATION AGENT!

    And everyone knows it.


    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/neptune/new-study-finds-unexpected-temperature-changes-on-neptune/

    The average global temperature on Neptune unexpectedly fluctuated during
    a recent 17-year period, according to a new study published by the
    American Astronomical Society in The Planetary Science Journal.

    Researchers, including scientists from NASA, analyzed ground-based
    images of Neptune taken in the mid-infrared range between 2003 and 2020.
    The images reveal Neptune’s stratosphere appears to have cooled between
    2003 and 2009, followed by a dramatic warming of the south pole between
    2018 and 2020. Conversely, upper-tropospheric temperatures didn’t vary
    much except for the south pole, which appeared warmest between 2003 and
    2006.

    Scientists had expected seasons would change slowly on Neptune because
    it takes the planet so long to orbit the Sun – 165 years.

    https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/hubble-finds-saturns-rings-heating-its-atmosphere/

    The discovery: Saturn's vast ring system is heating the giant planet's
    upper atmosphere. The phenomenon has never before been seen in the solar system. It's an unexpected interaction between Saturn and its rings that potentially could provide a tool for predicting if planets around other
    stars have glorious Saturn-like ring systems, too.

    The telltale evidence is an excess of ultraviolet radiation, seen as a
    spectral line of hot hydrogen in Saturn's atmosphere. The bump in
    radiation means that something is contaminating and heating the upper atmosphere from the outside.

    https://www.europlanet-society.org/planetary-scale-heat-wave-discovered-in-jupiters-atmosphere/

    An unexpected ‘heat wave’ of 700 degrees Celsius, extending 130,000 kilometres (10 Earth diameters) in Jupiter’s atmosphere, has been
    discovered. James O’Donoghue, of the Japanese Aerospace Exploration
    Agency (JAXA), has presented the results this week at the Europlanet
    Science Congress (EPSC) 2022 in Granada.

    Jupiter’s atmosphere, famous for its characteristic multicoloured
    vortices, is also unexpectedly hot: in fact, it is hundreds of degrees
    hotter than models predict. Due to its orbital distance millions of
    kilometres from the Sun, the giant planet receives under 4% of the
    amount of sunlight compared to Earth, and its upper atmosphere should theoretically be a frigid -70 degrees Celsius. Instead, its cloud tops
    are measured everywhere at over 400 degrees Celsius.

    Looking more deeply through their data, Dr O’Donoghue and his team
    discovered the spectacular ‘heat wave’ just below the northern aurora,
    and found that it was travelling towards the equator at a speed of
    thousands of kilometres per hour.

    The heat wave was probably triggered by a pulse of enhanced solar wind
    plasma impacting Jupiter’s magnetic field, which boosted auroral heating
    and forced hot gases to expand and spill out towards the equator.

    https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases-all?ID=0DF9B3CD-802A-23AD-4984-5AC0C6D42605

    According to National Geographic: "Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the
    St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the
    Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being
    caused by changes in the sun.

    ‘The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars,’ Abdussamatov said."

    This scientific research regarding Mars and the Sun, follows another new
    study about the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate. A release
    from the Danish National Space Center details the latest research from scientists from Denmark, Canada and Israel.

    "Nir Shaviv of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, together with Ján
    Veizer of the Ruhr University and the University of Ottawa, link
    [Earth’s temperature] changes to the journey of the Sun and the Earth
    through the Milky Way Galaxy," the release stated.

    The leader of Sun-climate research at the Danish National Space Center,
    Henrik Svensmark said, "The past 10 years have seen the reconnaissance
    of a new area of research by a small number of investigators.'"

    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/mars/mars-may-be-emerging-from-an-ice-age/

    NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey missions have provided
    evidence of a relatively recent ice age on Mars. In contrast to Earth's
    ice ages, a Martian ice age waxes when the poles warm, and water vapor
    is transported toward lower latitudes. Martian ice ages wane when the
    poles cool and lock water into polar icecaps.

    The "pacemakers" of ice ages on Mars appear to be much more extreme than
    the comparable drivers of climate change on Earth. Variations in the
    planet's orbit and tilt produce remarkable changes in the distribution
    of water ice from Polar Regions down to latitudes equivalent to Houston
    or Egypt. Researchers, using NASA spacecraft data and analogies to
    Earth's Antarctic Dry Valleys, report their findings in Thursday's
    edition of the journal Nature.

    "Of all the solar system planets, Mars has the climate most like that of
    Earth. Both are sensitive to small changes in orbital parameters," said planetary scientist Dr. James Head of Brown University, Providence,
    R.I., lead author of the study. "Now we're seeing that Mars, like Earth,
    is in a period between ice ages," he said.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103523004670

    Mars will continue to warm as the Sun heats up throughout its lifetime.

    Mars will reach the melting temperature of water ice, and both CO2 and
    H2O will be mobilized at the surface.

    Mars could end up with a climate conducive to supporting life.

    Results show the importance of processes intrinsic to a planet in
    determining the climate and habitability of an exoplanet.

    As the solar luminosity continues to increase over the next 6 billion
    years, the Martian surface will heat up to above the melting temperature
    of water ice.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Wed Oct 30 12:25:11 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On 10/30/2024 12:18 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    You are now attempting to divert.


    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/neptune/new-study-finds-unexpected-temperature-changes-on-neptune/

    The average global temperature on Neptune unexpectedly fluctuated during
    a recent 17-year period, according to a new study published by the
    American Astronomical Society in The Planetary Science Journal.

    Researchers, including scientists from NASA, analyzed ground-based
    images of Neptune taken in the mid-infrared range between 2003 and 2020.
    The images reveal Neptune’s stratosphere appears to have cooled between
    2003 and 2009, followed by a dramatic warming of the south pole between
    2018 and 2020. Conversely, upper-tropospheric temperatures didn’t vary
    much except for the south pole, which appeared warmest between 2003 and
    2006.

    Scientists had expected seasons would change slowly on Neptune because
    it takes the planet so long to orbit the Sun – 165 years.

    https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/hubble-finds-saturns-rings-heating-its-atmosphere/

    The discovery: Saturn's vast ring system is heating the giant planet's
    upper atmosphere. The phenomenon has never before been seen in the solar system. It's an unexpected interaction between Saturn and its rings that potentially could provide a tool for predicting if planets around other
    stars have glorious Saturn-like ring systems, too.

    The telltale evidence is an excess of ultraviolet radiation, seen as a
    spectral line of hot hydrogen in Saturn's atmosphere. The bump in
    radiation means that something is contaminating and heating the upper atmosphere from the outside.

    https://www.europlanet-society.org/planetary-scale-heat-wave-discovered-in-jupiters-atmosphere/

    An unexpected ‘heat wave’ of 700 degrees Celsius, extending 130,000 kilometres (10 Earth diameters) in Jupiter’s atmosphere, has been
    discovered. James O’Donoghue, of the Japanese Aerospace Exploration
    Agency (JAXA), has presented the results this week at the Europlanet
    Science Congress (EPSC) 2022 in Granada.

    Jupiter’s atmosphere, famous for its characteristic multicoloured
    vortices, is also unexpectedly hot: in fact, it is hundreds of degrees
    hotter than models predict. Due to its orbital distance millions of
    kilometres from the Sun, the giant planet receives under 4% of the
    amount of sunlight compared to Earth, and its upper atmosphere should theoretically be a frigid -70 degrees Celsius. Instead, its cloud tops
    are measured everywhere at over 400 degrees Celsius.

    Looking more deeply through their data, Dr O’Donoghue and his team
    discovered the spectacular ‘heat wave’ just below the northern aurora,
    and found that it was travelling towards the equator at a speed of
    thousands of kilometres per hour.

    The heat wave was probably triggered by a pulse of enhanced solar wind
    plasma impacting Jupiter’s magnetic field, which boosted auroral heating
    and forced hot gases to expand and spill out towards the equator.

    https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases-all?ID=0DF9B3CD-802A-23AD-4984-5AC0C6D42605

    According to National Geographic: "Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the
    St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the
    Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being
    caused by changes in the sun.

    ‘The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars,’ Abdussamatov said."

    This scientific research regarding Mars and the Sun, follows another new
    study about the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate. A release
    from the Danish National Space Center details the latest research from scientists from Denmark, Canada and Israel.

    "Nir Shaviv of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, together with Ján
    Veizer of the Ruhr University and the University of Ottawa, link
    [Earth’s temperature] changes to the journey of the Sun and the Earth
    through the Milky Way Galaxy," the release stated.

    The leader of Sun-climate research at the Danish National Space Center,
    Henrik Svensmark said, "The past 10 years have seen the reconnaissance
    of a new area of research by a small number of investigators.'"

    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/mars/mars-may-be-emerging-from-an-ice-age/

    NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey missions have provided
    evidence of a relatively recent ice age on Mars. In contrast to Earth's
    ice ages, a Martian ice age waxes when the poles warm, and water vapor
    is transported toward lower latitudes. Martian ice ages wane when the
    poles cool and lock water into polar icecaps.

    The "pacemakers" of ice ages on Mars appear to be much more extreme than
    the comparable drivers of climate change on Earth. Variations in the
    planet's orbit and tilt produce remarkable changes in the distribution
    of water ice from Polar Regions down to latitudes equivalent to Houston
    or Egypt. Researchers, using NASA spacecraft data and analogies to
    Earth's Antarctic Dry Valleys, report their findings in Thursday's
    edition of the journal Nature.

    "Of all the solar system planets, Mars has the climate most like that of
    Earth. Both are sensitive to small changes in orbital parameters," said planetary scientist Dr. James Head of Brown University, Providence,
    R.I., lead author of the study. "Now we're seeing that Mars, like Earth,
    is in a period between ice ages," he said.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103523004670

    Mars will continue to warm as the Sun heats up throughout its lifetime.

    Mars will reach the melting temperature of water ice, and both CO2 and
    H2O will be mobilized at the surface.

    Mars could end up with a climate conducive to supporting life.

    Results show the importance of processes intrinsic to a planet in
    determining the climate and habitability of an exoplanet.

    As the solar luminosity continues to increase over the next 6 billion
    years, the Martian surface will heat up to above the melting temperature
    of water ice.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Wed Oct 30 12:39:06 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On 10/30/2024 12:36 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    Paid disinformer

    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/neptune/new-study-finds-unexpected-temperature-changes-on-neptune/

    The average global temperature on Neptune unexpectedly fluctuated during
    a recent 17-year period, according to a new study published by the
    American Astronomical Society in The Planetary Science Journal.

    Researchers, including scientists from NASA, analyzed ground-based
    images of Neptune taken in the mid-infrared range between 2003 and 2020.
    The images reveal Neptune’s stratosphere appears to have cooled between
    2003 and 2009, followed by a dramatic warming of the south pole between
    2018 and 2020. Conversely, upper-tropospheric temperatures didn’t vary
    much except for the south pole, which appeared warmest between 2003 and
    2006.

    Scientists had expected seasons would change slowly on Neptune because
    it takes the planet so long to orbit the Sun – 165 years.

    https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/hubble-finds-saturns-rings-heating-its-atmosphere/

    The discovery: Saturn's vast ring system is heating the giant planet's
    upper atmosphere. The phenomenon has never before been seen in the solar system. It's an unexpected interaction between Saturn and its rings that potentially could provide a tool for predicting if planets around other
    stars have glorious Saturn-like ring systems, too.

    The telltale evidence is an excess of ultraviolet radiation, seen as a
    spectral line of hot hydrogen in Saturn's atmosphere. The bump in
    radiation means that something is contaminating and heating the upper atmosphere from the outside.

    https://www.europlanet-society.org/planetary-scale-heat-wave-discovered-in-jupiters-atmosphere/

    An unexpected ‘heat wave’ of 700 degrees Celsius, extending 130,000 kilometres (10 Earth diameters) in Jupiter’s atmosphere, has been
    discovered. James O’Donoghue, of the Japanese Aerospace Exploration
    Agency (JAXA), has presented the results this week at the Europlanet
    Science Congress (EPSC) 2022 in Granada.

    Jupiter’s atmosphere, famous for its characteristic multicoloured
    vortices, is also unexpectedly hot: in fact, it is hundreds of degrees
    hotter than models predict. Due to its orbital distance millions of
    kilometres from the Sun, the giant planet receives under 4% of the
    amount of sunlight compared to Earth, and its upper atmosphere should theoretically be a frigid -70 degrees Celsius. Instead, its cloud tops
    are measured everywhere at over 400 degrees Celsius.

    Looking more deeply through their data, Dr O’Donoghue and his team
    discovered the spectacular ‘heat wave’ just below the northern aurora,
    and found that it was travelling towards the equator at a speed of
    thousands of kilometres per hour.

    The heat wave was probably triggered by a pulse of enhanced solar wind
    plasma impacting Jupiter’s magnetic field, which boosted auroral heating
    and forced hot gases to expand and spill out towards the equator.

    https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases-all?ID=0DF9B3CD-802A-23AD-4984-5AC0C6D42605

    According to National Geographic: "Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the
    St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the
    Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being
    caused by changes in the sun.

    ‘The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars,’ Abdussamatov said."

    This scientific research regarding Mars and the Sun, follows another new
    study about the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate. A release
    from the Danish National Space Center details the latest research from scientists from Denmark, Canada and Israel.

    "Nir Shaviv of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, together with Ján
    Veizer of the Ruhr University and the University of Ottawa, link
    [Earth’s temperature] changes to the journey of the Sun and the Earth
    through the Milky Way Galaxy," the release stated.

    The leader of Sun-climate research at the Danish National Space Center,
    Henrik Svensmark said, "The past 10 years have seen the reconnaissance
    of a new area of research by a small number of investigators.'"

    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/mars/mars-may-be-emerging-from-an-ice-age/

    NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey missions have provided
    evidence of a relatively recent ice age on Mars. In contrast to Earth's
    ice ages, a Martian ice age waxes when the poles warm, and water vapor
    is transported toward lower latitudes. Martian ice ages wane when the
    poles cool and lock water into polar icecaps.

    The "pacemakers" of ice ages on Mars appear to be much more extreme than
    the comparable drivers of climate change on Earth. Variations in the
    planet's orbit and tilt produce remarkable changes in the distribution
    of water ice from Polar Regions down to latitudes equivalent to Houston
    or Egypt. Researchers, using NASA spacecraft data and analogies to
    Earth's Antarctic Dry Valleys, report their findings in Thursday's
    edition of the journal Nature.

    "Of all the solar system planets, Mars has the climate most like that of
    Earth. Both are sensitive to small changes in orbital parameters," said planetary scientist Dr. James Head of Brown University, Providence,
    R.I., lead author of the study. "Now we're seeing that Mars, like Earth,
    is in a period between ice ages," he said.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103523004670

    Mars will continue to warm as the Sun heats up throughout its lifetime.

    Mars will reach the melting temperature of water ice, and both CO2 and
    H2O will be mobilized at the surface.

    Mars could end up with a climate conducive to supporting life.

    Results show the importance of processes intrinsic to a planet in
    determining the climate and habitability of an exoplanet.

    As the solar luminosity continues to increase over the next 6 billion
    years, the Martian surface will heat up to above the melting temperature
    of water ice.

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to R Kym Horsell on Wed Oct 30 12:56:27 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics
    XPost: aus.politics, nz.politics

    On 10/30/2024 12:38 PM, R Kym Horsell wrote:
    Another nym burned. LOL.

    The sun is burning us ALL up, get ready for more:


    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/neptune/new-study-finds-unexpected-temperature-changes-on-neptune/

    The average global temperature on Neptune unexpectedly fluctuated during
    a recent 17-year period, according to a new study published by the
    American Astronomical Society in The Planetary Science Journal.

    Researchers, including scientists from NASA, analyzed ground-based
    images of Neptune taken in the mid-infrared range between 2003 and 2020.
    The images reveal Neptune’s stratosphere appears to have cooled between
    2003 and 2009, followed by a dramatic warming of the south pole between
    2018 and 2020. Conversely, upper-tropospheric temperatures didn’t vary
    much except for the south pole, which appeared warmest between 2003 and
    2006.

    Scientists had expected seasons would change slowly on Neptune because
    it takes the planet so long to orbit the Sun – 165 years.

    https://science.nasa.gov/missions/hubble/hubble-finds-saturns-rings-heating-its-atmosphere/

    The discovery: Saturn's vast ring system is heating the giant planet's
    upper atmosphere. The phenomenon has never before been seen in the solar system. It's an unexpected interaction between Saturn and its rings that potentially could provide a tool for predicting if planets around other
    stars have glorious Saturn-like ring systems, too.

    The telltale evidence is an excess of ultraviolet radiation, seen as a
    spectral line of hot hydrogen in Saturn's atmosphere. The bump in
    radiation means that something is contaminating and heating the upper atmosphere from the outside.

    https://www.europlanet-society.org/planetary-scale-heat-wave-discovered-in-jupiters-atmosphere/

    An unexpected ‘heat wave’ of 700 degrees Celsius, extending 130,000 kilometres (10 Earth diameters) in Jupiter’s atmosphere, has been
    discovered. James O’Donoghue, of the Japanese Aerospace Exploration
    Agency (JAXA), has presented the results this week at the Europlanet
    Science Congress (EPSC) 2022 in Granada.

    Jupiter’s atmosphere, famous for its characteristic multicoloured
    vortices, is also unexpectedly hot: in fact, it is hundreds of degrees
    hotter than models predict. Due to its orbital distance millions of
    kilometres from the Sun, the giant planet receives under 4% of the
    amount of sunlight compared to Earth, and its upper atmosphere should theoretically be a frigid -70 degrees Celsius. Instead, its cloud tops
    are measured everywhere at over 400 degrees Celsius.

    Looking more deeply through their data, Dr O’Donoghue and his team
    discovered the spectacular ‘heat wave’ just below the northern aurora,
    and found that it was travelling towards the equator at a speed of
    thousands of kilometres per hour.

    The heat wave was probably triggered by a pulse of enhanced solar wind
    plasma impacting Jupiter’s magnetic field, which boosted auroral heating
    and forced hot gases to expand and spill out towards the equator.

    https://www.epw.senate.gov/public/index.cfm/press-releases-all?ID=0DF9B3CD-802A-23AD-4984-5AC0C6D42605

    According to National Geographic: "Habibullo Abdussamatov, head of the
    St. Petersburg's Pulkovo Astronomical Observatory in Russia, says the
    Mars data is evidence that the current global warming on Earth is being
    caused by changes in the sun.

    ‘The long-term increase in solar irradiance is heating both Earth and Mars,’ Abdussamatov said."

    This scientific research regarding Mars and the Sun, follows another new
    study about the impact of cosmic rays on the Earth’s climate. A release
    from the Danish National Space Center details the latest research from scientists from Denmark, Canada and Israel.

    "Nir Shaviv of the Hebrew University in Jerusalem, together with Ján
    Veizer of the Ruhr University and the University of Ottawa, link
    [Earth’s temperature] changes to the journey of the Sun and the Earth
    through the Milky Way Galaxy," the release stated.

    The leader of Sun-climate research at the Danish National Space Center,
    Henrik Svensmark said, "The past 10 years have seen the reconnaissance
    of a new area of research by a small number of investigators.'"

    https://science.nasa.gov/solar-system/planets/mars/mars-may-be-emerging-from-an-ice-age/

    NASA's Mars Global Surveyor and Mars Odyssey missions have provided
    evidence of a relatively recent ice age on Mars. In contrast to Earth's
    ice ages, a Martian ice age waxes when the poles warm, and water vapor
    is transported toward lower latitudes. Martian ice ages wane when the
    poles cool and lock water into polar icecaps.

    The "pacemakers" of ice ages on Mars appear to be much more extreme than
    the comparable drivers of climate change on Earth. Variations in the
    planet's orbit and tilt produce remarkable changes in the distribution
    of water ice from Polar Regions down to latitudes equivalent to Houston
    or Egypt. Researchers, using NASA spacecraft data and analogies to
    Earth's Antarctic Dry Valleys, report their findings in Thursday's
    edition of the journal Nature.

    "Of all the solar system planets, Mars has the climate most like that of
    Earth. Both are sensitive to small changes in orbital parameters," said planetary scientist Dr. James Head of Brown University, Providence,
    R.I., lead author of the study. "Now we're seeing that Mars, like Earth,
    is in a period between ice ages," he said.

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0019103523004670

    Mars will continue to warm as the Sun heats up throughout its lifetime.

    Mars will reach the melting temperature of water ice, and both CO2 and
    H2O will be mobilized at the surface.

    Mars could end up with a climate conducive to supporting life.

    Results show the importance of processes intrinsic to a planet in
    determining the climate and habitability of an exoplanet.

    As the solar luminosity continues to increase over the next 6 billion
    years, the Martian surface will heat up to above the melting temperature
    of water ice.

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  • From Janitor@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 31 07:52:39 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics
    XPost: nz.politics

    Citizen Winston Smith is *kooking* something


    Neptune
    on Neptune
    Saturn's vast ring system
    Saturn
    ‘heat wave’ of 700 degrees Celsius
    Jupiter
    Jupiter’s atmosphere
    Sun
    Mars
    Mars
    Sun
    Sun
    Mars
    Mars
    Mars
    Martian ice ages
    on Mars
    Mars
    Mars
    Mars
    Mars
    Martian

    Lovely. The best of he best AGW denialist cherry picking attempt that is trolled across innocent newsgroups in Usenet in recent times!

    BTW
    Talking of dumps ... I have a nice one reserved just for you. Enjoy!

    --
    Idiot unpluged and forever flushed!

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  • From Citizen Winston Smith@21:1/5 to Janitor on Wed Oct 30 15:16:09 2024
    XPost: alt.home.repair, alt.global-warming, can.politics
    XPost: nz.politics, aus.politics

    On 10/30/2024 2:52 PM, Janitor wrote:
    Citizen Winston Smith is *kooking* something

    Not hardly even.

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYRAmtDzQomgyo8ht4F6VuJWNpge5OP-M

    Neptune
    on Neptune
    Saturn's vast ring system
    Saturn ‘heat wave’ of 700 degrees Celsius
    Jupiter
    Jupiter’s atmosphere
    Sun
    Mars
    Mars
    Sun
    Sun Mars
    Mars
    Mars
    Martian ice ages
    on Mars
    Mars
    Mars
    Mars
    Mars
    Martian

    Lovely. The best of he best AGW denialist cherry picking attempt that is trolled across innocent newsgroups in Usenet in recent times!

    BTW
    Talking of dumps ... I have a nice one reserved just for you. Enjoy!


    Start here and learn:

    https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLHSoxioQtwZedAVSDa4nacv2Zm7iGczpL

    https://youtu.be/2fZOqOH__8Y?list=PLHSoxioQtwZedAVSDa4nacv2Zm7iGczpL

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