• Danes attack Lindisfarne (8-6-793)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 9 16:50:08 2024
    Her wæron reðe forebecna cumene ofer Norðhymbra land, 7 þæt folc earmlic bregdon,
    þæt wæron ormete þodenas 7 ligrescas, 7 fyrenne dracan wæron gesewene on þam lifte fleogende.
    Þam tacnum sona fyligde mycel hunger,
    7 litel æfter þam, þæs ilcan geares on .vi. Idus Ianuarii,
    earmlice hæþenra manna hergunc adilegode Godes cyrican in Lindisfarnaee
    þurh hreaflac 7 mansliht.

    ("In this year fierce, foreboding omens came over the land of the Northumbrians, and the wretched people shook;
    there were excessive whirlwinds, lightning, and fiery dragons were seen
    flying in the sky.
    These signs were followed by great famine,
    and a little after those, that same year on 6th ides of January,
    the ravaging of wretched heathen men destroyed God's church at
    Lindisfarne [by plunder and slaughter].")

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindisfarne

    Crystal reminds us that these Danish terrorists later settled down in
    large areas of northern and eastern England (the Danelaw), and that
    their language eventually had a profound influence on Anglo-Saxon and
    thus on modern English, contributing many basic lexical items and even
    some grammatical morphology. A recent book even claimed that English
    should be reclassified as North Germanic:

    https://www.academia.edu/10360982/English_The_Language_of_the_Vikings

    though very few specialists agreed.

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 9 14:03:47 2024
    Ar an naoiú lá de mí Meitheamh, scríobh Ross Clark:

    Her wæron reðe forebecna cumene ofer Norðhymbra land, 7 þæt folc earmlic
    bregdon,
    þæt wæron ormete þodenas 7 ligrescas, 7 fyrenne dracan wæron gesewene on þam
    lifte fleogende.
    Þam tacnum sona fyligde mycel hunger,
    7 litel æfter þam, þæs ilcan geares on .vi. Idus Ianuarii,
    earmlice hæþenra manna hergunc adilegode Godes cyrican in Lindisfarnaee þurh
    hreaflac 7 mansliht.

    I’m sure you know this, but you want ⁊ (U+204A, Tironian Sign Et) for those 7s.

    ("In this year fierce, foreboding omens came over the land of the Northumbrians, and the wretched people shook;
    there were excessive whirlwinds, lightning, and fiery dragons were seen flying
    in the sky.
    These signs were followed by great famine,
    and a little after those, that same year on 6th ides of January,
    the ravaging of wretched heathen men destroyed God's church at Lindisfarne [by
    plunder and slaughter].")

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindisfarne

    Crystal reminds us that these Danish terrorists later settled down in large areas of northern and eastern England (the Danelaw), and that their language eventually had a profound influence on Anglo-Saxon and thus on modern English, contributing many basic lexical items and even some grammatical morphology.

    Netflix has several series currently set in that time period, which is unusual, it’s not something that I remember being dramatised much before. Maybe there’s
    a strong Scandinavian interest in that sort of TV that they’ve picked up on and
    thought they could make some money from?

    A recent book even claimed that English should be reclassified as North Germanic:

    https://www.academia.edu/10360982/English_The_Language_of_the_Vikings

    though very few specialists agreed.

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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  • From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Mon Jun 10 09:03:33 2024
    On 10/06/2024 1:03 a.m., Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Ar an naoiú lá de mí Meitheamh, scríobh Ross Clark:

    > Her wæron reðe forebecna cumene ofer Norðhymbra land, 7 þæt folc earmlic
    > bregdon,
    > þæt wæron ormete þodenas 7 ligrescas, 7 fyrenne dracan wæron gesewene on þam
    > lifte fleogende.
    > Þam tacnum sona fyligde mycel hunger,
    > 7 litel æfter þam, þæs ilcan geares on .vi. Idus Ianuarii,
    > earmlice hæþenra manna hergunc adilegode Godes cyrican in Lindisfarnaee þurh
    > hreaflac 7 mansliht.

    I’m sure you know this, but you want ⁊ (U+204A, Tironian Sign Et) for those 7s.

    Actually I had ⁊, copy-pasting from whatever site I found the text on.
    But on my screen (very old computer, very old version of Windows) it
    showed as a rectangle with "204A" inside -- standard device for
    undisplayable characters -- which looked silly, so I substituted the
    numeral, which looks similar. But I didn't know a name for it - thanks.

    > ("In this year fierce, foreboding omens came over the land of the
    > Northumbrians, and the wretched people shook;
    > there were excessive whirlwinds, lightning, and fiery dragons were seen flying
    > in the sky.
    > These signs were followed by great famine,
    > and a little after those, that same year on 6th ides of January,
    > the ravaging of wretched heathen men destroyed God's church at Lindisfarne [by
    > plunder and slaughter].")
    >
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lindisfarne
    >
    > Crystal reminds us that these Danish terrorists later settled down in large
    > areas of northern and eastern England (the Danelaw), and that their language
    > eventually had a profound influence on Anglo-Saxon and thus on modern
    > English, contributing many basic lexical items and even some grammatical
    > morphology.

    Netflix has several series currently set in that time period, which is unusual,
    it’s not something that I remember being dramatised much before. Maybe there’s
    a strong Scandinavian interest in that sort of TV that they’ve picked up on and
    thought they could make some money from?

    > A recent book even claimed that English should be reclassified as North
    > Germanic:
    >
    > https://www.academia.edu/10360982/English_The_Language_of_the_Vikings
    >
    > though very few specialists agreed.


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