• Ben Jonson born (11-6-1572)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jun 11 22:42:12 2024
    Runner-up to Will Shakes in the "England's Got Playwrights" finals.

    Jonson on language (briefly excerpted):

    A wise tongue should not be licentious and wandering...

    How much better is it to be silent, or at least to speak sparingly!

    Language most shows a man: Speak, that I may see thee.

    [That's familiar -- who is he quoting there? Or is it him?]

    These are from a collection (a "commonplace book", not published in his lifetime) called:

    "Timber, or Discoveries made upon men and matter, as they have flowed
    out of his daily readings, or had their reflux to his peculiar notion of
    the times"

    Besides that, and some great plays, he wrote an English Grammar!
    It's quite good -- available online in various forms.

    "Q is a letter we might very well spare in our alphabet,if
    we would but use the serviceable k as he should be, and
    restore him to the reputation he had with our forefathers.
    For the English Saxons knew not this halting q,with her
    waiting-woman u after her ... [t]ill custom, under the excuse of
    expressing enfranchised words with us, entreated her into our language."

    “R is the dog’s letter and hurreth in the sound”

    (OED hurr, v. (obsolete) To make or utter a dull sound of vibration or trilling; to buzz as an insect; to snarl as a dog; to pronounce a
    trilled r.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Jonson

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  • From Blue-Maned_Hawk@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Tue Jun 11 22:55:34 2024
    Ross Clark wrote:

    <snip/>

    "Q is a letter we might very well spare in our alphabet,if we would but
    use the serviceable k as he should be, and restore him to the reputation
    he had with our forefathers.
    For the English Saxons knew not this halting q,with her waiting-woman u
    after her ... [t]ill custom, under the excuse of expressing enfranchised words with us, entreated her into our language."

    <snip/>


    I do wonder what might have gone through his head that lead to him to
    proscribe to those letter the female gender.


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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Thu Jun 13 15:01:26 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On 6/11/2024 3:42 AM, Ross Clark wrote:
    Runner-up to Will Shakes in the "England's Got Playwrights" finals.


    not Marlowe?


    Jonson on language (briefly excerpted):

    A wise tongue should not be licentious and wandering...

    How much better is it to be silent, or at least to speak sparingly!

    Language most shows a man: Speak, that I may see thee.

    [That's familiar -- who is he quoting there? Or is it him?]


    isn't that what Romeo says? --> No...

    it's prob Socrates.




    These are from a collection (a "commonplace book", not published in his lifetime) called:

    "Timber, or Discoveries made upon men and matter, as they have flowed
    out of his daily readings, or had their reflux to his peculiar notion of
    the times"


    why is it entitled Timber???



    Besides that, and some great plays, he wrote an English Grammar!
    It's quite good -- available online in various forms.

    "Q is a letter we might very well spare in our alphabet,if
    we would but use the serviceable k as he should be, and
    restore him to the reputation he had with our forefathers.
    For the English Saxons knew not this halting q,with her
    waiting-woman u after her ... [t]ill custom, under the excuse of
    expressing enfranchised words with us, entreated her into our language."

    “R is the dog’s letter and hurreth in the sound”

    (OED hurr, v. (obsolete) To make or utter a dull sound of vibration or trilling; to buzz as an insect; to snarl as a dog; to pronounce a
    trilled r.)

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ben_Jonson



    For 40+ years i thought his name had an H in it.

    i feel like a character in a [Matrix] movie.

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  • From LionelEdwards@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Fri Jun 14 07:26:48 2024
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    HenHanna wrote:

    On 6/11/2024 3:42 AM, Ross Clark wrote:
    Runner-up to Will Shakes in the "England's Got Playwrights" finals.


    not Marlowe?


    Jonson on language (briefly excerpted):

    A wise tongue should not be licentious and wandering...

    How much better is it to be silent, or at least to speak sparingly!

    Language most shows a man: Speak, that I may see thee.

    [That's familiar -- who is he quoting there? Or is it him?]


    isn't that what Romeo says? --> No...

    it's prob Socrates.




    These are from a collection (a "commonplace book", not published in his

    lifetime) called:

    "Timber, or Discoveries made upon men and matter, as they have flowed
    out of his daily readings, or had their reflux to his peculiar notion
    of

    the times"


    why is it entitled Timber???

    ..."as we are commonly used to call the infinite mixed
    multitude of growing trees a wood, so the ancients gave
    the name of Sylvæ—Timber Trees—to books of theirs in
    which small works of various and diverse matter were
    promiscuously brought together.”

    <https://www.gutenberg.org/files/5134/5134-h/5134-h.htm>

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to LionelEdwards on Fri Jun 14 13:03:30 2024
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    On 6/14/2024 12:26 AM, LionelEdwards wrote:
    HenHanna wrote:

    On 6/11/2024 3:42 AM, Ross Clark wrote:
    Runner-up to Will Shakes in the "England's Got Playwrights" finals.


                  not Marlowe?


    Jonson on language (briefly excerpted):

    A wise tongue should not be licentious and wandering...

    How much better is it to be silent, or at least to speak sparingly!

    Language most shows a man: Speak, that I may see thee.

    [That's familiar -- who is he quoting there? Or is it him?]


                 isn't that what Romeo says?   --> No...

                     it's prob  Socrates.




    These are from a collection (a "commonplace book", not published in his

    lifetime) called:

    "Timber, or Discoveries made upon men and matter, as they have flowed
    out of his daily readings, or had their reflux to his peculiar notion
    of

    the times"


    why is it entitled  Timber???

    ..."as we are commonly used to call the infinite mixed
    multitude of growing trees a wood, so the ancients gave
    the name of Sylvæ—Timber Trees—to books of theirs in
    which small works of various and diverse matter were
    promiscuously brought together.”

    <https://www.gutenberg.org/files/5134/5134-h/5134-h.htm>


    Thank you...
    i've been wondering where the [Lumber] in this book title
    came from and.........

    [The Size of Thoughts: Essays and Other Lumber] by Nicholson Baker

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