• Magna Carta sealed (15-6-1215)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jun 16 11:22:47 2024
    And the linguistic angle is...
    "The original is written in medieval Latin, as was normal for official documents at the time..."
    And this goes on to scribal abbreviations, which were also normal at the
    time:

    "...in Magna Carta _and_* was written as a dash with a small tail, _per_
    ('of') could appear as a letter <p> with a crossbar on the descender,
    and _nostra_ ('our') was written <nra> with a horizontal line above."

    *He should really have written: _et_ ('and').

    (Something that came up quite recently in the excerpt from the Chronicle
    about the Danes sacking Lindisfarne):

    "A symbol that looked like the numeral 7 was very frequent in
    Anglo-Saxon texts as a replacement for _and_: it derives from the symbol
    used in classical Latin for _et_ ('and') by Cicero's scribe, Marcus
    Tullius Tiro (and thus often called the 'Tironian _et_')."
    As Aidan knew.

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Sun Jun 16 03:23:17 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On 6/15/2024 4:22 PM, Ross Clark wrote:
    And the linguistic angle is...
    "The original is written in medieval Latin, as was normal for official documents at the time..."
    And this goes on to scribal abbreviations, which were also normal at the time:

    "...in Magna Carta _and_* was written as a dash with a small tail, _per_ ('of') could appear as a letter <p> with a crossbar on the descender,
    and _nostra_ ('our') was written <nra> with a horizontal line above."

    *He should really have written: _et_ ('and').

    (Something that came up quite recently in the excerpt from the Chronicle about the Danes sacking Lindisfarne):

    "A symbol that looked like the numeral 7 was very frequent in
    Anglo-Saxon texts as a replacement for _and_: it derives from the symbol
    used in classical Latin for _et_ ('and') by Cicero's scribe, Marcus
    Tullius Tiro (and thus often called the 'Tironian _et_')."
    As Aidan knew.




    Old Irish

    Etymology= Abbreviation of Latin et reliqua (“and the rest”), with et
    being contracted via the Tironian note ⁊.


    Phrase

    ⁊rl.


    ocus --> agus

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  • From Antonio Marques@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Sun Jun 16 12:26:04 2024
    Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> wrote:
    And the linguistic angle is...
    "The original is written in medieval Latin, as was normal for official documents at the time..."
    And this goes on to scribal abbreviations, which were also normal at the time:

    "...in Magna Carta _and_* was written as a dash with a small tail, _per_ ('of') could appear as a letter <p> with a crossbar on the descender,
    and _nostra_ ('our') was written <nra> with a horizontal line above."

    *He should really have written: _et_ ('and').

    (Something that came up quite recently in the excerpt from the Chronicle about the Danes sacking Lindisfarne):

    "A symbol that looked like the numeral 7 was very frequent in
    Anglo-Saxon texts as a replacement for _and_: it derives from the symbol
    used in classical Latin for _et_ ('and') by Cicero's scribe, Marcus
    Tullius Tiro (and thus often called the 'Tironian _et_')."
    As Aidan knew.


    I imagine he didn't write _et_ because unlike the others it wasn't [recognisably] a derivation of the latin word (and it's implied it was used
    in english texts).

    Seldom has a less useful remark than this here of mine been published to sci.lang, of course.

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  • From Adam Funk@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Wed Jun 19 11:18:53 2024
    On 2024-06-15, Ross Clark wrote:

    And the linguistic angle is...
    "The original is written in medieval Latin, as was normal for official documents at the time..."
    And this goes on to scribal abbreviations, which were also normal at the time:

    "...in Magna Carta _and_* was written as a dash with a small tail, _per_ ('of') could appear as a letter <p> with a crossbar on the descender,
    and _nostra_ ('our') was written <nra> with a horizontal line above."

    *He should really have written: _et_ ('and').

    From a legal blog about crazy people saying the Magna Carta entitled
    them to resist COVID laws:

    As a matter of law and history, Magna Carta is now little more than
    a legal ornament rather than a living instrument, and it is rarely
    if ever successfully relied on in practice.

    It is a legal text which politicians and others can praise safely,
    as it provides no real protections.

    (In contrast, legal texts that do actually provide practical rights
    such as the Human Rights Act 1998 are often attacked by those same
    politicians.)

    <https://davidallengreen.com/2020/11/the-truth-about-article-61-of-magna-carta/>



    (Something that came up quite recently in the excerpt from the Chronicle about the Danes sacking Lindisfarne):

    "A symbol that looked like the numeral 7 was very frequent in
    Anglo-Saxon texts as a replacement for _and_: it derives from the symbol
    used in classical Latin for _et_ ('and') by Cicero's scribe, Marcus
    Tullius Tiro (and thus often called the 'Tironian _et_')."
    As Aidan knew.

    Interesting.


    --
    In walks Barbarella, set to stun

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