• Why did Doyle die so young? (Sir A.Conan Doyle died at the age of 71)

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 8 23:05:52 2024
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    rich men (and famous, Successful men) usu. live to Old age.


    Steve Jobs (1955–2011) — an American inventor, entrepreneur and co-founder of Apple Inc. — died of complications from pancreatic cancer
    at the age of 56 on Oct. 5, 2011. Jobs was born on Feb. 24, 1955,
    in San Francisco, California.


    S.Jobs was a freak. A health-nut. (A Nutty Vegetarian)

    Why did Doyle die so young?
    He was so rich, and was a Medical Man.


    Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died on July 7, 1930 at the age of 71.

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Tue Jul 9 12:23:35 2024
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    Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí Iúil, scríobh HenHanna:

    [...] Why did Doyle die so young?
    He was so rich, and was a Medical Man.


    Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died on July 7, 1930 at the age of 71.

    Doyle was a smoker who died of a heart attack at 71. This is completely unremarkable, and still happens today even if patients get on cholesterol-lowering medication early and have everything managed according to best medical practice.

    --
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    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Mon Jul 15 11:44:42 2024
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    On 7/9/2024 4:23 AM, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí Iúil, scríobh HenHanna:

    > [...] Why did Doyle die so young?
    > He was so rich, and was a Medical Man.
    >
    >
    > >>> Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died on July 7, 1930 at the age of 71.

    Doyle was a smoker who died of a heart attack at 71. This is completely unremarkable, and still happens today even if patients get on cholesterol-lowering medication early and have everything managed according to
    best medical practice.



    Thanks.

    i wonder if he noticed any early signs.

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  • From Tilde@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Fri Aug 30 22:52:22 2024
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    HenHanna wrote:
    On 7/9/2024 4:23 AM, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
      Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí Iúil, scríobh HenHanna:

      > [...]      Why did Doyle   die   so young?
      >            He was so rich, and was a Medical Man.
      >
      > >>> Sir Arthur Conan Doyle died on July 7, 1930 at the age of 71.

    Doyle was a smoker who died of a heart attack at 71. This is completely
    unremarkable, and still happens today even if patients get on
    cholesterol-lowering medication early and have everything managed
    according to
    best medical practice.

    Thanks.

        i wonder if he noticed any early signs.

    In those days the connections/correlations of smoking
    with disease weren't really known. For example

    https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22345227/
    2013 Jan:22

    The history of the discovery of the cigarette-lung
    cancer link: evidentiary traditions, corporate
    denial, global toll

    "Lung cancer was once a very rare disease, so
    rare that doctors took special notice when
    confronted with a case, thinking it a
    once-in-a-lifetime oddity. Mechanisation and
    mass marketing towards the end of the 19th
    century popularised the cigarette habit,
    however, causing a global lung cancer epidemic.
    Cigarettes were recognised as the cause of the
    epidemic in the 1940s and 1950s..."


    In a google image search with the terms:
    poster doctors recommend smoking

    You can find all kinds of early advertisements
    for smoking featuring doctors. Several here

    https://www.cbsnews.com/pictures/outrageous-vintage-cigarette-ads/3/

    has a 1931 Camels cigarette ad with a doctor and
    the caption says "Smoke a FRESH cigarette". There's
    a couple from the 1890s billed as good for treating
    asthma.

    So as far as Doyle recognizing symptoms, well, in
    those days smoking was not likely to have been
    seen as the cause.

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  • From Peter Moylan@21:1/5 to Tilde on Sat Aug 31 21:46:56 2024
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    On 31/08/24 14:52, Tilde wrote:

    "Lung cancer was once a very rare disease, so rare that doctors took
    special notice when confronted with a case, thinking it a
    once-in-a-lifetime oddity. Mechanisation and mass marketing towards
    the end of the 19th century popularised the cigarette habit,
    however, causing a global lung cancer epidemic. Cigarettes were
    recognised as the cause of the epidemic in the 1940s and 1950s..."

    I read a lot of science fiction from the 1940s and 1950s, and there one
    finds that in the far distant future, in the days of the Galactic
    Empire, for example, almost everyone smokes.

    That's how the writers of the 1940s saw it. Nonsmokers were rare, and
    seen as a bit nonconformist. Nobody seems to have predicted the
    situation we have today, where smokers find a need to smoke in secrecy,
    and everyone avoids them because they stink. We've had a rapid change in attitudes.

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@21:1/5 to Peter Moylan on Sat Aug 31 15:25:01 2024
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    Peter Moylan wrote:

    I read a lot of science fiction from the 1940s and 1950s, and there one
    finds that in the far distant future, in the days of the Galactic
    Empire, for example, almost everyone smokes.

    Neither of my parents smoked - that is my mother used to smoke 25
    cigarettes a day before she had children, but then she stopped
    completely. When they friends visiting, they would pass around a dish
    with cigarettes and small cigars. Everyone - as I remember - smoked then
    even if they normally didn't.

    A bit strange because my mother warned us against smoking and explained
    about the risks. We three brothers smoked at some time as did my father.
    My sisters haven't, apart from hash of course. I and my little brother
    stopped a long time ago. The middle brother smoked right until he died
    from an unhealthy living and pneumonia (aged 75).

    --
    Bertel
    Kolt, Denmark

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 31 18:33:58 2024
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    Ar an t-aonú lá is triochad de mí Lúnasa, scríobh Peter Moylan:

    [...] I read a lot of science fiction from the 1940s and 1950s, and there one finds that in the far distant future, in the days of the Galactic Empire, for example, almost everyone smokes.

    That's how the writers of the 1940s saw it. Nonsmokers were rare, and
    seen as a bit nonconformist. Nobody seems to have predicted the
    situation we have today, where smokers find a need to smoke in secrecy,
    and everyone avoids them because they stink. We've had a rapid change in attitudes.

    Nicotine is a fascinating molecule. It is a mild stimulant that improves cognition and problem-solving, and I think it’s plausible that its effect was part of the pace of economic development and raising GDP per capita in the 20th century. I note 50% of Chinese men smoked in 2022, vs. 15% of Irish men, and China’s rate of GDP per capita growth is has been much healthier for decades.

    I do not endorse smoking, it is bad for you. I am not intrinsically negative about nicotine replacement therapy or vaping.

    --
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    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Sun Sep 1 08:21:50 2024
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    Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Nicotine is a fascinating molecule. It is a mild stimulant that improves cognition and problem-solving, and I think it’s plausible that its effect was
    part of the pace of economic development and raising GDP per capita in the 20th
    century.

    Back then the tobacco was 'cleaner' than it is today.

    I do not endorse smoking, it is bad for you. I am not intrinsically negative about nicotine replacement therapy or vaping.

    I am negative about nicotine replacement therapy or vaping - about
    nicotine as such but also about the uncontrolled additives the products
    come with. If the nicotine was clean, it would be less harmful than
    cigarettes.

    --
    Bertel
    Kolt, Denmark

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  • From Peter Moylan@21:1/5 to Bertel Lund Hansen on Sun Sep 1 18:15:55 2024
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    On 01/09/24 16:21, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
    Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Nicotine is a fascinating molecule. It is a mild stimulant that
    improves cognition and problem-solving, and I think it’s plausible
    that its effect was part of the pace of economic development and
    raising GDP per capita in the 20th century.

    Back then the tobacco was 'cleaner' than it is today.

    I do not endorse smoking, it is bad for you. I am not intrinsically
    negative about nicotine replacement therapy or vaping.

    I am negative about nicotine replacement therapy or vaping - about
    nicotine as such but also about the uncontrolled additives the
    products come with. If the nicotine was clean, it would be less
    harmful than cigarettes.

    I managed to shake tobacco addiction, after years of trying, with the
    aid of nicotine patches, so I approve of that sort of replacement.

    Vaping is a different matter. It sounded initially as a good form of replacement, but the people I know who have tried it ended up more badly addicted. There's definitely a problem with uncontrolled additives. In particular, I gather that "non-nicotine" vapes often contain a high concentration of nicotine.

    Vapes are the tobacco industry's new method of sucking children into
    addiction.

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From Bertel Lund Hansen@21:1/5 to Kyonshi on Tue Sep 3 18:31:36 2024
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    Kyonshi wrote:

    Vapes are the tobacco industry's new method of sucking children into
    addiction.


    not sure if it's the additives. it was marketed as less harmful for
    quite a while, so I think people just used it heavier because it didn't matter.

    I think that it was less harmful for a while. The additives only came
    later.

    I was kind of shocked when one of my colleagues during nightshift just
    vaped indoors.

    Yes, many vapers thought/think that nicotine is not unhealthy or at
    least isn't harmful for others. They are wrong.

    --
    Bertel
    Kolt, Denmark

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