On 2024-07-13 07:24:27 +0000, Aidan Kehoe said:

Ar an dara lá déag de mí Iúil, scríobh Kaz Kylheku:

On 2024-07-11, Lawrence D'Oliveiro <ldo@nz.invalid> wrote:

On Wed, 10 Jul 2024 19:11:17 -0700, HenHanna wrote:

the acronym (?) REPL must be new in Lisp (and Scheme)

i'm sure i never saw it (used or mentioned) 25 years ago.

There are many new terms coined for old concepts. Like “capture” for “lexical binding”, or “dependency injection” for “callback”.

Lexical binding does not imply closure/capture.

I’ve never seen “capture” used as a general term for closures or for lexical
scope in this way; are we sure it’s what was meant?

As you (and António) have a genuine interest in language, can you
explain to me what this thread is doing in sci.lang?

Back in 1968, when many universities wanted to drop the German
requirement for studying chemistry, on the grounds that by then
virtually all publications on chemistry were in English (not
necessarily a good thing, but that's how it was, and is). Rather than
openly admitting what they were doing, they changed the German
requirement to a "language requirement", and pretended that Fortran was
a language. I think everyone realized that that was just a trick to
avoid saying what the real motivation was.

C has lexical scoping without capture: the bindings are destroyed
when their associated scope terminates.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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Ar an triú lá déag de mí Iúil, scríobh Athel Cornish-Bowden:

On 2024-07-13 07:24:27 +0000, Aidan Kehoe said:

[...] There are many new terms coined for old concepts. Like “capture” for “lexical binding”, or “dependency injection” for
“callback”.

Lexical binding does not imply closure/capture.

I’ve never seen “capture” used as a general term for closures or for lexical scope in this way; are we sure it’s what was meant?

As you (and António) have a genuine interest in language, can you explain to
me what this thread is doing in sci.lang?

My mistake, the Hen started the thread in this group (among others) and I should have dropped sci.lang.

Back in 1968, when many universities wanted to drop the German requirement for studying chemistry, on the grounds that by then virtually all publications on chemistry were in English (not necessarily a good thing, but that's how it was, and is). Rather than openly admitting what they were doing, they changed the German requirement to a "language requirement", and pretended that Fortran was a language. I think everyone realized that that was just a trick to avoid saying what the real motivation was.

As if reading the mid-century chemistry literature was going to be suddenly irrelevant!

--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

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On 2024-07-13 13:08:53 +0000, Aidan Kehoe said:

Ar an triú lá déag de mí Iúil, scríobh Athel Cornish-Bowden:

On 2024-07-13 07:24:27 +0000, Aidan Kehoe said:

[...] There are many new terms coined for old concepts. Like “capture” for “lexical binding”, or “dependency

injection” for

“callback”.

Lexical binding does not imply closure/capture.

I’ve never seen “capture” used as a general term for closures or for
lexical scope in this way; are we sure it’s what was meant?

As you (and António) have a genuine interest in language, can you

explain to

me what this thread is doing in sci.lang?

My mistake, the Hen started the thread in this group (among others) and I should have dropped sci.lang.

Back in 1968, when many universities wanted to drop the German requirement for studying chemistry, on the grounds that by then virtually all publications on chemistry were in English (not necessarily a good thing, but
that's how it was, and is). Rather than openly admitting what they were doing, they changed the German requirement to a "language requirement", and
pretended that Fortran was a language. I think everyone realized that that was just a trick to avoid saying what the real motivation was.

As if reading the mid-century chemistry literature was going to be suddenly irrelevant!

Of course, but that's what our elders and betters decreed.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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