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  • [pass over in(with) silence] ------- expression from Greek?

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Sat Aug 24 16:42:50 2024
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    in Cicero's speech (62 B.C.) Pro Sulla (Section 62.1)

    "Ac ne haec quidem P. Sullae mihi
    videtur silentio praetereunda esse virtus"

    ("And even this virtue of Publius Sulla
    seems to me to [be one which] ought not
    to be passed by in/with silence").


    -- pass over in silence
    -- pass over with silence ------- is this expression from Greek?

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Sun Aug 25 09:40:04 2024
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  • From micky@21:1/5 to HenHanna@devnull.tb on Sun Aug 25 19:00:54 2024
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    In alt.usage.english, on Sat, 24 Aug 2024 16:42:50 -0700, HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> wrote:


    in Cicero's speech (62 B.C.) Pro Sulla (Section 62.1)

    "Ac ne haec quidem P. Sullae mihi
    videtur silentio praetereunda esse virtus"

    ("And even this virtue of Publius Sulla
    seems to me to [be one which] ought not
    to be passed by in/with silence").


    -- pass over in silence
    -- pass over with silence ------- is this expression from Greek?

    I guess I never do hear the second one but since authors and speakers
    like to turn a phrase, even if it exists in Greek, wouldn't it arise in
    English just because it makes sense, equally with in or with?

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  • From Pascal Stumpf@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Mon Aug 26 17:34:52 2024
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    HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> wrote:

    in Cicero's speech (62 B.C.) Pro Sulla (Section 62.1)

    "Ac ne haec quidem P. Sullae mihi
    videtur silentio praetereunda esse virtus"

    ("And even this virtue of Publius Sulla
    seems to me to [be one which] ought not
    to be passed by in/with silence").


    -- pass over in silence
    -- pass over with silence ------- is this expression from Greek?

    'silentio' is, I think, best explained as dativus finalis, i.e. "his virtue
    is not to be passed over, such that silence may befall it". Alternatively,
    a dativus commodi: "be passed over to silence".

    There is indeed a common Greek expression σιωπῇ, but simply assuming a borrowing of the Greek idiom does not do Cicero justice in this case.

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 26 19:20:10 2024
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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Aug 26 23:06:09 2024
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    Ar an séú lá is fiche de mí Lúnasa, scríobh Pascal Stumpf:

    HenHanna <HenHanna@devnull.tb> wrote:

    in Cicero's speech (62 B.C.) Pro Sulla (Section 62.1)

    "Ac ne haec quidem P. Sullae mihi
    videtur silentio praetereunda esse virtus"

    ("And even this virtue of Publius Sulla
    seems to me to [be one which] ought not
    to be passed by in/with silence").


    -- pass over in silence
    -- pass over with silence ------- is this expression from Greek?

    'silentio' is, I think, best explained as dativus finalis, i.e. "his virtue is not to be passed over, such that silence may befall it". Alternatively, a dativus commodi: "be passed over to silence".

    There is indeed a common Greek expression σιωπῇ, but simply assuming a
    borrowing of the Greek idiom does not do Cicero justice in this case.

    Pascal’s Greek was not encoded with the appropriate MIME type. It should read:

    “There is indeed a common Greek expression σιωπῇ, but simply assuming a
    borrowing of the Greek idiom does not do Cicero justice in this case.”

    (sigma, iota, omega, pi, eta with perispomeni and ypogegrammeni).

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