• E.E.Cummings died (3/9/1962)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 4 12:03:22 2024
    Born Edward Estlin Cummings, Cambridge MA, 1894. Father was a Harvard professor, later Unitarian minister.
    "His penchant for lower-case was extended to his initials by one of his publishers, and the practice caught on, though he himself usually kept
    the capitals." (Crystal)

    anyone lived in a pretty how town
    (with up so floating many bells down)
    spring summer autumn winter
    he sang his didn't he danced his did

    Women and men (both little and small)
    cared for anyone not at all
    they sowed their isn't they reaped their same
    sun moon stars rain (1940)

    "The seeds of Cummings' unconventional style appear well established
    even in his earliest work. At age six, he wrote to his father:

    FATHER DEAR. BE, YOUR FATHER-GOOD AND GOOD,
    HE IS GOOD NOW, IT IS NOT GOOD TO SEE IT RAIN,
    FATHER DEAR IS, IT, DEAR, NO FATHER DEAR,
    LOVE, YOU DEAR,
    ESTLIN.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Tue Sep 3 17:15:26 2024
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    On 9/3/2024 5:03 PM, Ross Clark wrote:
    Born Edward Estlin Cummings, Cambridge MA, 1894. Father was a Harvard professor, later Unitarian minister.
    "His penchant for lower-case was extended to his initials by one of his publishers, and the practice caught on, though he himself usually kept
    the capitals." (Crystal)


    anyone lived in a pretty how town
    (with up so floating many bells down)
    spring summer autumn winter
    he sang his didn't he danced his did

    Women and men (both little and small)
    cared for anyone not at all
    they sowed their isn't they reaped their same
    sun moon stars rain             (1940)

    "The seeds of Cummings' unconventional style appear well established
    even in his earliest work. At age six, he wrote to his father:

        FATHER DEAR. BE, YOUR FATHER-GOOD AND GOOD,
        HE IS GOOD NOW, IT IS NOT GOOD TO SEE IT RAIN,
        FATHER DEAR IS, IT, DEAR, NO FATHER DEAR,
        LOVE, YOU DEAR,
        ESTLIN.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings



    anyone lived in a pretty how town
    (with up so floating many bells down)
    spring summer autumn winter
    he sang his didn't he danced his did (1940)

    Several weeks ago, i listened to a recording of EEC himself
    reading this and it wasnt at all like how i imagined.


    if you've read [The Enormous Room], pls tell me about
    a passage or scene that you remember. (i remember Nothing)

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Wed Sep 4 06:55:37 2024
    Ar an ceathrú lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Ross Clark:

    [...] "The seeds of Cummings' unconventional style appear well established even in his earliest work. At age six, he wrote to his father:

    FATHER DEAR. BE, YOUR FATHER-GOOD AND GOOD,
    HE IS GOOD NOW, IT IS NOT GOOD TO SEE IT RAIN,
    FATHER DEAR IS, IT, DEAR, NO FATHER DEAR,
    LOVE, YOU DEAR,
    ESTLIN.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings

    ‘M. L. Rosenthal wrote that: “The chief effect of Cummings' jugglery with
    syntax, grammar, and diction was to blow open otherwise trite and bathetic
    motifs through a dynamic rediscovery of the energies sealed up in
    conventional usage ... He succeeded masterfully in splitting the atom of the
    cute commonplace.[1]”’

    If he were a patient of mine I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there were ischaemic damage to Broca’s area on an MRI brain.

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Aidan Kehoe on Thu Sep 5 16:49:36 2024
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    On 9/3/2024 10:55 PM, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Ar an ceathrú lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Ross Clark:

    > [...] "The seeds of Cummings' unconventional style appear well established
    > even in his earliest work. At age six, he wrote to his father:
    >
    > FATHER DEAR. BE, YOUR FATHER-GOOD AND GOOD,
    > HE IS GOOD NOW, IT IS NOT GOOD TO SEE IT RAIN,
    > FATHER DEAR IS, IT, DEAR, NO FATHER DEAR,
    > LOVE, YOU DEAR,
    > ESTLIN.
    >
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings

    ‘M. L. Rosenthal wrote that: “The chief effect of Cummings' jugglery with
    syntax, grammar, and diction was to blow open otherwise trite and bathetic
    motifs through a dynamic rediscovery of the energies sealed up in
    conventional usage ... He succeeded masterfully in splitting the atom of the
    cute commonplace.[1]”’

    If he were a patient of mine I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there were ischaemic damage to Broca’s area on an MRI brain.



    so you're a Medical man?



    He succeeded masterfully in splitting the atom of the cute commonplace.[1]”’


    Joyce wrote about [Splitting of the etym.]

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Thu Sep 5 16:46:34 2024
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    On 9/3/2024 5:15 PM, HenHanna wrote:

    On 9/3/2024 5:03 PM, Ross Clark wrote:
    Born Edward Estlin Cummings, Cambridge MA, 1894. Father was a Harvard
    professor, later Unitarian minister.
    "His penchant for lower-case was extended to his initials by one of
    his publishers, and the practice caught on, though he himself usually
    kept the capitals." (Crystal)


    anyone lived in a pretty how town
    (with up so floating many bells down)
    spring summer autumn winter
    he sang his didn't he danced his did

    Women and men (both little and small)
    cared for anyone not at all
    they sowed their isn't they reaped their same
    sun moon stars rain             (1940)

    "The seeds of Cummings' unconventional style appear well established
    even in his earliest work. At age six, he wrote to his father:

         FATHER DEAR. BE, YOUR FATHER-GOOD AND GOOD,
         HE IS GOOD NOW, IT IS NOT GOOD TO SEE IT RAIN,
         FATHER DEAR IS, IT, DEAR, NO FATHER DEAR,
         LOVE, YOU DEAR,
         ESTLIN.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings



    anyone lived in a pretty how town
    (with up so floating many bells down)
    spring summer autumn winter
    he sang his didn't he danced his did   (1940)

    Several weeks ago,  i listened to a recording of  EEC  himself
    reading this and it wasnt at all like how i imagined.


    if you've read  [The Enormous Room],  pls  tell me about
             a passage or scene that you remember.   (i remember Nothing)




    Here's a quote from The Enormous Room by E.E. Cummings, featuring French vocabulary:

    "Il est Fort! [strong] M'sieu Jean, c'est un GEANT"

    This quote translates to: "He is strong! Mr. Jean, he is a GIANT." Here, Cummings is describing the impressive physical stature of Jean Le Negre,
    a fellow inmate.

    ________________

    "Il y a un vieux soldat qui parle toujours de la guerre. C'est un bon
    vieux. Il s'appelle le Capitaine."


    "Il y a un petit chien qui s'appelle Coco. Il est très gentil."




    The inclusion of French phrases in The Enormous Room is primarily due to
    the setting and the author's experiences.

    Setting: The novel is based on E.E. Cummings' real-life imprisonment in
    a French detention camp during World War I. It's natural that the
    language spoken there would be predominantly French, given the location.


    Author's Experience: Cummings immersed himself in French culture during
    his time in France, learning the language and interacting with
    French-speaking people. This personal experience influenced his decision
    to incorporate French into his writing.


    Authenticity: By using French phrases, Cummings aimed to create a more authentic and immersive experience for the reader, transporting them to
    the setting of the novel and allowing them to better understand the
    characters' perspectives.

    ___________________________


    E.E. Cummings was imprisoned in a French detention camp during World War
    I due to a series of unfortunate events and misunderstandings.

    1.
    Administrative Errors: He and his friend, William Slater Brown, were
    initially assigned to an ambulance service in France. However, due to administrative errors, they were left without a specific assignment for
    several weeks.

    2.
    Anti-War Sentiments: During this free time, Cummings and Brown explored
    Paris and openly expressed anti-war views. They also preferred the
    company of French soldiers over fellow American ambulance drivers.

    3.
    Intercepted Letters: Brown wrote letters home criticizing the war and expressing his disillusionment. These letters were intercepted by French censors, who misinterpreted their contents as potentially harmful to the
    war effort.

    4.
    False Accusations of Espionage: Based on the intercepted letters,
    Cummings and Brown were arrested on suspicion of espionage and
    undesirable activities. They were held for three and a half months in a military detention camp.


    It's important to note that Cummings and Brown were eventually released
    without ever being formally charged with any crime. Their imprisonment
    was a result of a series of unfortunate circumstances, rather than any
    actual wrongdoing on their part.

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  • From LionelEdwards@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 7 15:29:55 2024
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    My favourite e e cummings:

    maggie and milly and molly and may
    went down to the beach(to play one day)

    and maggie discovered a shell that sang
    so sweetly she couldn’t remember her troubles,and

    milly befriended a stranded star
    whose rays five languid fingers were;

    and molly was chased by a horrible thing
    which raced sideways while blowing bubbles:and

    may came home with a smooth round stone
    as small as a world and as large as alone.

    For whatever we lose(like a you or a me)
    it’s always ourselves we find in the sea

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Sat Sep 7 16:17:15 2024
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    Ar an cúigiú lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh HenHanna:

    On 9/3/2024 10:55 PM, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

    Ar an ceathrú lá de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Ross Clark:

    > [...] "The seeds of Cummings' unconventional style appear well
    > established even in his earliest work. At age six, he wrote to his
    > father:
    >
    > FATHER DEAR. BE, YOUR FATHER-GOOD AND GOOD,
    > HE IS GOOD NOW, IT IS NOT GOOD TO SEE IT RAIN,
    > FATHER DEAR IS, IT, DEAR, NO FATHER DEAR,
    > LOVE, YOU DEAR,
    > ESTLIN.
    >
    > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._E._Cummings

    ‘M. L. Rosenthal wrote that: “The chief effect of Cummings' jugglery
    with syntax, grammar, and diction was to blow open otherwise trite and
    bathetic motifs through a dynamic rediscovery of the energies sealed up
    in conventional usage ... He succeeded masterfully in splitting the
    atom of the cute commonplace.[1]”’

    If he were a patient of mine I wouldn’t be at all surprised if there were
    ischaemic damage to Broca’s area on an MRI brain.

    so you're a Medical man?

    Yes, I fret about blood pressure, and cholesterol, and family history, and smoking, and broken bones, and language problems of the sort that Cummings seems to have had. Don’t smoke, it’s bad for you. Get some exercise, I fear you
    are not managing 30 minutes a day with your enthusiasm about posting to Usenet.

    --
    ‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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