I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
Le 20/09/2024 à 00:12, Christian Weisgerber a écrit :
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to
alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
Afflict? Sometimes I wonder how many more times I'm going to hear
Germans criticising how we do things. [...]
I'm afraid I don't see the problem. Just assign 1.609344 to a memory
cell. That's what I do. A shortened version is fine for mental
arithmetic - better than ln(5) - and if one has forgotten 1.6... but
has a calculator, what's wrong with tapping 2.54 x 12 x 5,280 /
100,000?
On 20/09/24 15:22, Hibou wrote:
I'm afraid I don't see the problem. Just assign 1.609344 to a memory
cell. That's what I do. A shortened version is fine for mental
arithmetic - better than ln(5) - and if one has forgotten 1.6... but
has a calculator, what's wrong with tapping 2.54 x 12 x 5,280 /
100,000?
That's all very well if you can remember that there are 5280 yards in a
mile.
I'm afraid that my school days are far behind me, and Ancient
History was one of my weakest subjects.
I'm still just hanging on to the fact that an inch is about 25 mm, but
that's probably the magic number that's next to fade from my memory.
I still remember that a mile is about 8/5 km, but it's unlikely that
I'll ever again visit a country that uses miles, so that too will soon
fall into the bin for useless facts.
occam wrote:
You do use Google search? Try typing '1 mile = ? kilometers' in the
google search bar. Answer = 1.60934.
You don't even need the "? kilometers".
You do use Google search? Try typing '1 mile = ? kilometers' in the
google search bar. Answer = 1.60934.
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
You do use Google search? Try typing '1 mile = ? kilometers' in the
google search bar. Answer = 1.60934.
You don't even need the "? kilometers".
Yes you do, unless you want to choose one of: 1760 yards/1.60934 kms/320 rods/1.70108e-13 light-years etc. There is more to a mile than kilometers.
And easier to remember than 1.609344. But when will you need such precision? For instance, when you drive on German roads outside villages, you must reduce your speed to 31.0685 mph whereas the rough rule 1 mi = 1.6 km would have allowed you 31.2500 mph.
occam wrote:
You do use Google search? Try typing '1 mile = ? kilometers' in the
google search bar. Answer = 1.60934.
You don't even need the "? kilometers".
Helmut Richter wrote:
And easier to remember than 1.609344. But when will you need such precision? >> For instance, when you drive on German roads outside villages, you must
reduce your speed to 31.0685 mph whereas the rough rule 1 mi = 1.6 km would >> have allowed you 31.2500 mph.
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
On 20/09/2024 10:54, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
occam wrote:
You do use Google search? Try typing '1 mile = ? kilometers' in
the google search bar. Answer = 1.60934.
You don't even need the "? kilometers".
Yes you do, unless you want to choose one of: 1760 yards/1.60934
kms/320 rods/1.70108e-13 light-years etc. There is more to a mile
than kilometers.
I like much more those thumb rules that actually allow you to estimate orders of magnitude, e.g.:
1 year ≅ π · 10⁷ sec ≅ 31415926.54 sec
or
1 year ≅ √10 · 10⁷ sec ≅ 31622776.60 sec
or, only for those wanting more precision, the arithmetic mean of the two which has three leading digits correct.
You do use Google search? Try typing '1 mile = ? kilometers' in the
google search bar. Answer = 1.60934.
On 20/09/2024 11:10, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Helmut Richter wrote:
And easier to remember than 1.609344. But when will you need such
precision?
For instance, when you drive on German roads outside villages, you must
reduce your speed to 31.0685 mph whereas the rough rule 1 mi = 1.6 km
would
have allowed you 31.2500 mph.
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed
limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
I'm not sure how common this is, but the speedometer in my car has
scales for both mph and km/h, so in principle I don't need to convert.
In practice, though, I have the above table in my head, from the old
days. It's easily remembered because the right-hand column corresponds
to the usual preferred values for UK speed limits.
I'm not sure how common this is, but the speedometer in my car has
scales for both mph and km/h, so in principle I don't need to convert.
And the left column corresponds to the usual preferred values for speed limits in Continental Europe, AFAIK.
You should add 30 km (reduced speed in some parts of cities) and 120 km
(seen from time to time).
Ar an naoú lá déag de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Christian Weisgerber:
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
pounds to kilograms. What I learned from my father (born 1945, went to school >before it was neglected) was that a kilometre is 5/8 of a mile, which helps in >converting the speed limit signs in Northern Ireland to what my speedometer >shows.
On 20/09/2024 11:10, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Helmut Richter wrote:
And easier to remember than 1.609344. But when will you need such
precision?
For instance, when you drive on German roads outside villages, you must
reduce your speed to 31.0685 mph whereas the rough rule 1 mi = 1.6 km
would
have allowed you 31.2500 mph.
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed
limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
I'm not sure how common this is, but the speedometer in my car has
scales for both mph and km/h, so in principle I don't need to convert.
In practice, though, I have the above table in my head, from the old
days. It's easily remembered because the right-hand column corresponds
to the usual preferred values for UK speed limits.
I'm not sure how common this is, but the speedometer in my car hasAlso, most modern cars can be persuaded to display speed (digitally) in either mph or kph to suit your current needs.
scales for both mph and km/h, so in principle I don't need to convert.
In practice, though, I have the above table in my head, from the old
days. It's easily remembered because the right-hand column corresponds
to the usual preferred values for UK speed limits.
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to
alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
... the English-speaking world with the exception of Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa and some others.
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
... the English-speaking world with the exception of Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa and some others.
I think the term "United Kingdom and USA" would have been shorter and slightly more accurate.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
And easier to remember than 1.609344. But when will you need such precision? For instance, when you drive on German roads outside villages, you must reduce your speed to 31.0685 mph whereas the rough rule 1 mi = 1.6 km would have allowed you 31.2500 mph.
I like much more those thumb rules that actually allow you to estimate orders of magnitude, e.g.:
1 year ? π · 10? sec ? 31415926.54 sec
or
1 year ? √10 · 10? sec ? 31622776.60 sec
or, only for those wanting more precision, the arithmetic mean of the two which has three leading digits correct.
The old units were completely neglected when I went to school, which is >unfortunate, it’s routine that we need to convert between vulgar feet and >inches for height to centimetres in daily life, or between vulgar stones and >pounds to kilograms. What I learned from my father (born 1945, went to school >before it was neglected) was that a kilometre is 5/8 of a mile, which helps in >converting the speed limit signs in Northern Ireland to what my speedometer >shows.
I will attempt to bear ln(5) in mind going forward!
[...] Also, most modern cars can be persuaded to display speed (digitally) in either mph or kph to suit your current needs.
On 20/09/24 19:46, occam wrote:
On 20/09/2024 10:54, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
occam wrote:
You do use Google search? Try typing '1 mile = ? kilometers' in
the google search bar. Answer = 1.60934.
You don't even need the "? kilometers".
Yes you do, unless you want to choose one of: 1760 yards/1.60934
kms/320 rods/1.70108e-13 light-years etc. There is more to a mile
than kilometers.
Yes, but Google doesn't give you those unless you ask for them. It
assumes that you want kilometres.
But maybe it's country-dependent, because it didn't even give me the
American spelling. Perhaps in the UK the default is set to rods, poles,
or perches.
"However, our experience of such systems suggests they can get it wrong.
In one instance, a car's traffic sign recognition system picked up a
30mph sign on a turning off a dual carriage and dramatically slowed
down, despite the fact the car was actually travelling along the outside lane"
Also, most modern cars can be persuaded to display speed (digitally) in either mph or kph to suit your current needs.
Hibou wrote:
"However, our experience of such systems suggests they can get it wrong.
In one instance, a car's traffic sign recognition system picked up a
30mph sign on a turning off a dual carriage and dramatically slowed
down, despite the fact the car was actually travelling along the outside
lane"
My father has some friends who steadily run into that problem on the
road that they use every day.
When you say that the system is mandatory in EU, does that mean that we
are not allowed to disable it? I select speed according to my gps, and
that is 5 kph faster than the speedometer reading. It's pretty much been
the same with every car that I rented before I bought one.
Helmut Richter <hr.usenet@email.de> wrote:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict the English-speaking world.
... the English-speaking world with the exception of Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa and some others.
I think the term "United Kingdom and USA" would have been shorter and slightly more accurate.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers. It's accurate to four digits. If nothing else, it's
faster to type on a calculator.
And easier to remember than 1.609344. But when will you need such precision? For instance, when you drive on German roads outside
villages, you must reduce your speed to 31.0685 mph whereas the rough
rule 1 mi = 1.6 km would have allowed you 31.2500 mph.
I like much more those thumb rules that actually allow you to estimate orders of magnitude, e.g.:
1 year ? 10? sec ? 31415926.54 sec
or
1 year ? #10 10? sec ? 31622776.60 sec
or, only for those wanting more precision, the arithmetic mean of the
two which has three leading digits correct.
For orders of magitude there are 10^5 seconds to a day, and 400 days to a year, so 40 million seconds to a year. Both numbers are rounded up, so
the actual number is about 30 million seconds to a year. All quite
memorable. The correct answer is 31 557 600 seconds/year (exactly) so a
quite acceptable estimate,
Le 20/09/2024 à 20:05, Sam Plusnet a écrit :
Also, most modern cars can be persuaded to display speed (digitally)
in either mph or kph to suit your current needs.
Our recent hire cars have displayed the speed limit, as read from limit
signs via their cameras. It is often wrong, displaying a recent speed
limit, not the current one - unsurprisingly, since in France there are a variety of signs that set the speed (a crossed-out place name, for
instance), the camera lens may be dirty, a lorry may mask a sign, and so
on.
Apparently, the crazy EU has made this flawed system the basis for
mandatory speed limiters (and the crazy UK has followed suit). If you
run into someone stuck at 30 kph on a 130 kph autoroute, that's probably
the reason.
"However, our experience of such systems suggests they can get it wrong.
In one instance, a car's traffic sign recognition system picked up a
30mph sign on a turning off a dual carriage and dramatically slowed
down, despite the fact the car was actually travelling along the outside lane" - <https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-advice/speed-limiters-what-they-mean-for-you/>
God preserve us from government!
Hibou hat am 21.09.2024 um 09:20 geschrieben:
Le 20/09/2024 à 20:05, Sam Plusnet a écrit :
Also, most modern cars can be persuaded to display speed (digitally)
in either mph or kph to suit your current needs.
Our recent hire cars have displayed the speed limit, as read from limit
signs via their cameras. It is often wrong, displaying a recent speed
limit, not the current one - unsurprisingly, since in France there are a
variety of signs that set the speed (a crossed-out place name, for
instance), the camera lens may be dirty, a lorry may mask a sign, and so
on.
Apparently, the crazy EU has made this flawed system the basis for
mandatory speed limiters (and the crazy UK has followed suit). If you
run into someone stuck at 30 kph on a 130 kph autoroute, that's probably
the reason.
"However, our experience of such systems suggests they can get it wrong.
In one instance, a car's traffic sign recognition system picked up a
30mph sign on a turning off a dual carriage and dramatically slowed
down, despite the fact the car was actually travelling along the outside
lane" -
<https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-advice/speed-limiters-what-they-mean-for-you/>
God preserve us from government!
Japan was already wiser 40 years ago, but the more appropriate name is probably "speed limit warnings".
A friend gave me a ride there when an alarm sound went off.
- What does this noise mean?
- I was driving at over 100 km/h (the speed limit on their highways at
that time). We have a warning system on all our cars.
- What about all those cars overtaking us? Do they produce the same noise?
- Yes.
On 20/09/2024 11:40, Phil wrote:
On 20/09/2024 11:10, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:Also, most modern cars can be persuaded to display speed (digitally) in either mph or kph to suit your current needs.
Helmut Richter wrote:
And easier to remember than 1.609344. But when will you need such
precision?
For instance, when you drive on German roads outside villages, you must >>>> reduce your speed to 31.0685 mph whereas the rough rule 1 mi = 1.6
km would
have allowed you 31.2500 mph.
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed
limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
I'm not sure how common this is, but the speedometer in my car has
scales for both mph and km/h, so in principle I don't need to convert.
In practice, though, I have the above table in my head, from the old
days. It's easily remembered because the right-hand column corresponds
to the usual preferred values for UK speed limits.
On 21/09/2024 12:52, Silvano wrote:
Hibou hat am 21.09.2024 um 09:20 geschrieben:
Le 20/09/2024 à 20:05, Sam Plusnet a écrit :
Also, most modern cars can be persuaded to display speed (digitally)
in either mph or kph to suit your current needs.
Our recent hire cars have displayed the speed limit, as read from limit >> signs via their cameras. It is often wrong, displaying a recent speed
limit, not the current one - unsurprisingly, since in France there are a >> variety of signs that set the speed (a crossed-out place name, for
instance), the camera lens may be dirty, a lorry may mask a sign, and so >> on.
Apparently, the crazy EU has made this flawed system the basis for
mandatory speed limiters (and the crazy UK has followed suit). If you
run into someone stuck at 30 kph on a 130 kph autoroute, that's probably >> the reason.
"However, our experience of such systems suggests they can get it wrong. >> In one instance, a car's traffic sign recognition system picked up a
30mph sign on a turning off a dual carriage and dramatically slowed
down, despite the fact the car was actually travelling along the outside >> lane" -
<https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-advice/speed-limiters-what-they-mean-for-you/>
God preserve us from government!
Japan was already wiser 40 years ago, but the more appropriate name is probably "speed limit warnings".
A friend gave me a ride there when an alarm sound went off.
- What does this noise mean?
- I was driving at over 100 km/h (the speed limit on their highways at that time). We have a warning system on all our cars.
- What about all those cars overtaking us? Do they produce the same noise? - Yes.
This sound warning is optional on my car (i.e. can be disabled). The
visual warning (on the GPS display) however, is not. As soon as you go
over the speed limit, the colour of the limit indicator changes (to
red). The absence of a sound warning is a blessing, rather than a
handicap. It is annoying most of the time, and can be dangerous at other times e.g. when you are accelerating for a good reason.
Ah yes, I was forgetting just how old-school my car is -- it has an
actual needle moving on a circular scale.
Yes, car speedos are allowed to over-read but not under-read. GPS is
more accurate (except in tunnels).
It seems you can disable the speed limiter, but you have to do that
every time you start the car (and the maker may perhaps bury the option several menus down).
On 21/09/2024 12:52, Silvano wrote:
Japan was already wiser 40 years ago, but the more appropriate name is probably "speed limit warnings".
A friend gave me a ride there when an alarm sound went off.
- What does this noise mean?
- I was driving at over 100 km/h (the speed limit on their highways at that time). We have a warning system on all our cars.
- What about all those cars overtaking us? Do they produce the same noise?
- Yes.
This sound warning is optional on my car (i.e. can be disabled). The visual warning (on the GPS display) however, is not.
over the speed limit, the colour of the limit indicator changes (to
red). The absence of a sound warning is a blessing, rather than a handicap.
Aidan Kehoe hat am 21.09.2024 um 17:10 geschrieben:
On 21/09/2024 12:52, Silvano wrote:
Japan was already wiser 40 years ago, but the more appropriate name is >> > > probably "speed limit warnings".
A friend gave me a ride there when an alarm sound went off.
- What does this noise mean?
- I was driving at over 100 km/h (the speed limit on their highways at >> > > that time). We have a warning system on all our cars.
- What about all those cars overtaking us? Do they produce the same noise?
- Yes.
This sound warning is optional on my car (i.e. can be disabled). The
visual warning (on the GPS display) however, is not.
From what I saw at that time, Japan was ridiculously underdeveloped on
some items (washing machines, squat toilets - well, they moved on in
these 40 years and we should learn a lot from them about modern toilets,
see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilets_in_Japan>), but it was much
better than Continental Europe on other items (bullet trains, fax etc.).
But even they did not have GPS displays 40 years ago.
As soon as you go
over the speed limit, the colour of the limit indicator changes (to
red). The absence of a sound warning is a blessing, rather than a
handicap.
I agree, but you can't have a visual warning on the GPS display before
the invention of GPS displays. No idea about the present situation over >there.
A thought experiment. A parallel to inappropriate speed might be inappropriate eating (I expect you know more about this than I).
Hibou hat am 21.09.2024 um 09:20 geschrieben:
Our recent hire cars have displayed the speed limit, as read from limit >>>> signs via their cameras. It is often wrong, displaying a recent speed
limit, not the current one - unsurprisingly, since in France there are a >>>> variety of signs that set the speed (a crossed-out place name, for
instance), the camera lens may be dirty, a lorry may mask a sign, and so >>>> on.
Apparently, the crazy EU has made this flawed system the basis for
mandatory speed limiters (and the crazy UK has followed suit). If you
run into someone stuck at 30 kph on a 130 kph autoroute, that's probably >>>> the reason.
A mandatory warning is part of the law, but actual restriction is not,
so
should you be in those occasional situations where breaking the speed limit is
safer than following it, you can (usually, depending on your manufacturer) just
keep the foot on the accelerator despite the alarm.
"However, our experience of such systems suggests they can get it wrong. >>>> In one instance, a car's traffic sign recognition system picked up a
30mph sign on a turning off a dual carriage and dramatically slowed
down, despite the fact the car was actually travelling along the outside >>>> lane" -
<https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-advice/speed-limiters-what-they-mean-for-you/>
God preserve us from government!
Apart from things like seatbelt laws, high taxes on tobacco, enforced rules on
food safety, regulation of medication? Or are you completely fine with easily avoidable death and major disability, shorter and worse-quality lives, mass poisonings, more mass poisonings? The middle option saves on taxes given if you
die at 63 from lung cancer you won’t draw much in the way of state pension, so
there is a financial but not humanitarian argument for it. There’s no argument
for the rest.
Le 21/09/2024 à 16:10, Aidan Kehoe a écrit :
Hibou hat am 21.09.2024 um 09:20 geschrieben:
Our recent hire cars have displayed the speed limit, as read from limit >>>> signs via their cameras. It is often wrong, displaying a recent speed >>>> limit, not the current one - unsurprisingly, since in France there are a
variety of signs that set the speed (a crossed-out place name, for
instance), the camera lens may be dirty, a lorry may mask a sign, and so
on.
Apparently, the crazy EU has made this flawed system the basis for
mandatory speed limiters (and the crazy UK has followed suit). If you >>>> run into someone stuck at 30 kph on a 130 kph autoroute, that's probably
the reason.
A mandatory warning is part of the law, but actual restriction is not,
Do you have a source for that, a link?
so should you be in those occasional situations where breaking the speed limit is safer than following it, you can (usually, depending on your manufacturer) just keep the foot on the accelerator despite the alarm.
I think such situations are routine, not occasional.
"However, our experience of such systems suggests they can get it wrong.
In one instance, a car's traffic sign recognition system picked up a >>>> 30mph sign on a turning off a dual carriage and dramatically slowed >>>> down, despite the fact the car was actually travelling along the outside
lane" -
<https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-advice/speed-limiters-what-they-mean-for-you/>
God preserve us from government!
Apart from things like seatbelt laws, high taxes on tobacco, enforced rules on food safety, regulation of medication? Or are you completely fine with easily avoidable death and major disability, shorter and worse-quality lives, mass poisonings, more mass poisonings? The middle option saves on taxes given if you die at 63 from lung cancer you won’t draw much in the way of state pension, so there is a financial but not humanitarian argument for it. There’s no argument for the rest.
I think you've missed my point, which was that the system for determining the speed limit is thoroughly unreliable, and not a suitable basis for restrictors, or even alarms sounding in drivers' ears.
Let's explore a bit. To what extent should the state - or in the EU's case the superstate - constrain people in order to make them safe?
A thought experiment. A parallel to inappropriate speed might be inappropriate eating (I expect you know more about this than I).
"In the long-term, eating junk food can lead to: type 2 diabetes / heart-related problems (such as cardiovascular disease, high blood pressure and cholesterol) / overweight and obesity / osteoporosis / certain cancers / depression /eating disorders / These complications are all associated with a diet high in sugar, salt, trans- and saturated fats and with a lack of essential nutrients like fibre, vitamins and minerals" - <https://www.healthdirect.gov.au/junk-food-and-your-health#complications>
Now, suppose it were possible to make an electronic implant that monitored blood constituents, could detect when someone was digesting junk food, and give that person a stomach ache.
Should the state force people to have that implant to save a proportion of them from illness and premature death?
What if the implants' sensors were unreliable, and they often gave people stomach aches even when they were eating healthily? Should the state still make them mandatory?
Le 22/09/2024 à 05:30, Hibou a écrit, à l'intention d'Aidan Kehoe :
A thought experiment. A parallel to inappropriate speed might be inappropriate eating (I expect you know more about this than I).
I mean you as a doctor, not as an eater.
Ar an dara lá is fiche de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Hibou:
I think you've missed my point, which was that the system for
determining the speed limit is thoroughly unreliable, and not a
suitable basis for restrictors, or even alarms sounding in drivers'
ears.
Ah, maybe I have. My 2019 Toyota Corolla has a system that reads the speed-limit signs, displays the currently active speed limit, and
changes the usual black-numbers-on-a-white-background display to white-numbers-on-a-red-background if I exceed that speed. It very occasionally gets things wrong but is usually reliable, even on those
parts of the island afflicted by speed limits in MPH. So my reading
of things is from my own relevant experience rather than a journalist
driving clicks.
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
Should the state force people to have that implant to save a proportion of them from illness and premature death?
The state almost certainly shouldn’t be spending the money to implant this in
everyone, I’d rule it out for that reason. But on pure medical grounds, no, people have a right to bodily autonomy, it is unethical to make such a thing mandatory. If a life insurance company were to offer reduced premiums to people
willing to have such a sensor, that would be fine.
On 22/09/24 16:59, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ar an dara lá is fiche de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Hibou:
I think you've missed my point, which was that the system for
determining the speed limit is thoroughly unreliable, and not a
suitable basis for restrictors, or even alarms sounding in drivers'
ears.
Ah, maybe I have. My 2019 Toyota Corolla has a system that reads the speed-limit signs, displays the currently active speed limit, and
changes the usual black-numbers-on-a-white-background display to white-numbers-on-a-red-background if I exceed that speed. It very occasionally gets things wrong but is usually reliable, even on those parts of the island afflicted by speed limits in MPH. So my reading
of things is from my own relevant experience rather than a journalist driving clicks.
My car, which is 14 years old, doesn't have such a feature. Despite that
my GPS navigator manages to display the speed limit, except in places
where reception from satellites is blocked. I assume that the limits are contained in map data. Why then would the car need to read roadside signs?
OK, I'll concede that there are sometimes temporary limits in place
because of roadworks and so on, but that's the exceptional case.
Remember when kami bragged outrageously? That was Sunday:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 23:12:52 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber
wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to
alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5)
kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
simplest method is to multiply by 0.6
There's no humor in that.
-d
My car, which is 14 years old, doesn't have such a feature. Despite that
my GPS navigator manages to display the speed limit, except in places
where reception from satellites is blocked. I assume that the limits are contained in map data. Why then would the car need to read roadside signs?
OK, I'll concede that there are sometimes temporary limits in place
because of roadworks and so on, but that's the exceptional case.
an easier method would be, if the limit is 80 miles per hour,
simply add half, which is 40 and then one tenth of that, which is
4 and multiply it by 2 which is 8, so 48 + 80 is 128 km/h
On Sunday, kami pointed out that ...
On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 01:52:33 -0700, Snidely wrote:
Remember when kami bragged outrageously? That was Sunday:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 23:12:52 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber
wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to
alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion >>>> factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5)
kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
simplest method is to multiply by 0.6
There's no humor in that.
-d
an easier method would be, if the limit is 80 miles per hour,
simply add half, which is 40 and then one tenth of that, which is
4 and multiply it by 2 which is 8, so 48 + 80 is 128 km/h
similarly lets say 120 miles per hour, half 60, tenth times 2 is
12, so 72 + 120 = 192 km/h.
There's no humor in that.
Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Should the state force people to have that implant to save a proportion of
them from illness and premature death?
The state almost certainly shouldn?t be spending the money to implant this in
everyone, I?d rule it out for that reason. But on pure medical grounds, no, people have a right to bodily autonomy, it is unethical to make such a thing
mandatory. If a life insurance company were to offer reduced premiums to people
willing to have such a sensor, that would be fine.
The comma after "no" is quite important. I missed it in my first reading
and got confused when I got to the text after the next comma.
My insurance company has given me the option to let them monitor my
driving which I accepted. If I drive carefully, the premium will be
reduced. I score 8 out of ten with my normal driving.
On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:11:31 +0200, Silvano
<Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Aidan Kehoe hat am 21.09.2024 um 17:10 geschrieben:
On 21/09/2024 12:52, Silvano wrote:
Japan was already wiser 40 years ago, but the more appropriate name is
probably "speed limit warnings".
A friend gave me a ride there when an alarm sound went off.
- What does this noise mean?
- I was driving at over 100 km/h (the speed limit on their highways at
that time). We have a warning system on all our cars.
- What about all those cars overtaking us? Do they produce the same noise?
- Yes.
This sound warning is optional on my car (i.e. can be disabled). The
visual warning (on the GPS display) however, is not.
From what I saw at that time, Japan was ridiculously underdeveloped on
some items (washing machines, squat toilets - well, they moved on in
these 40 years and we should learn a lot from them about modern toilets, >see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilets_in_Japan>), but it was much >better than Continental Europe on other items (bullet trains, fax etc.). >But even they did not have GPS displays 40 years ago.
I found that article on toilets in Japan to be interesting. I once
read a whole book about bathrooms, so it could be that I am easily
amused.
On Sunday, kami pointed out that ...
On Sun, 22 Sep 2024 01:52:33 -0700, Snidely wrote:
Remember when kami bragged outrageously? That was Sunday:
On Thu, 19 Sep 2024 23:12:52 -0000 (UTC), Christian Weisgerber
wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to
alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion >>>>> factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful >>>>> tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5)
kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
simplest method is to multiply by 0.6
There's no humor in that.
-d
an easier method would be, if the limit is 80 miles per hour,
simply add half, which is 40 and then one tenth of that, which is
4 and multiply it by 2 which is 8, so 48 + 80 is 128 km/h
similarly lets say 120 miles per hour, half 60, tenth times 2 is
12, so 72 + 120 = 192 km/h.
There's no humor in that.
-d
On my bucket-list; test-driving a Japanese-style
washlet toilet.
Must be the whole shebang with voice activated commands,
warm water bum wash and hot air dryer.
A supermarket car park near me has 5mph signs; I've never seen any vehicle travel that slow, unless manoeuvring into a slot.
On 20/09/24 19:30, Helmut Richter wrote:
I like much more those thumb rules that actually allow you to estimate orders of magnitude, e.g.:
1 year ? π · 10? sec ? 31415926.54 sec
or
1 year ? √10 · 10? sec ? 31622776.60 sec
or, only for those wanting more precision, the arithmetic mean of the two which has three leading digits correct.
The one non-metric measurement that I find useful is "one foot per nanosecond".
In article <j2suejdqu7d0btfgnb3qtue7hue4q8apij@4ax.com>, rich.ulrich@comcast.net says...
On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:11:31 +0200, Silvano
<Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Aidan Kehoe hat am 21.09.2024 um 17:10 geschrieben:
On 21/09/2024 12:52, Silvano wrote:
Japan was already wiser 40 years ago, but the more appropriate name is
probably "speed limit warnings".
A friend gave me a ride there when an alarm sound went off.
- What does this noise mean?
- I was driving at over 100 km/h (the speed limit on their highways at
that time). We have a warning system on all our cars.
- What about all those cars overtaking us? Do they produce the same noise?
- Yes.
This sound warning is optional on my car (i.e. can be disabled). The >>>> > visual warning (on the GPS display) however, is not.
From what I saw at that time, Japan was ridiculously underdeveloped on
some items (washing machines, squat toilets - well, they moved on in
these 40 years and we should learn a lot from them about modern toilets, >>> see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilets_in_Japan>), but it was much
better than Continental Europe on other items (bullet trains, fax etc.). >>> But even they did not have GPS displays 40 years ago.
I found that article on toilets in Japan to be interesting. I once
read a whole book about bathrooms, so it could be that I am easily
amused.
On my bucket-list; test-driving a Japanese-style
washlet toilet.
Must be the whole shebang with voice activated commands,
warm water bum wash and hot air dryer.
On 22/09/2024 14:29, Janet wrote:
On my bucket-list; test-driving a Japanese-style
washlet toilet.
Must be the whole shebang with voice activated commands,
warm water bum wash and hot air dryer.
Have you started learning Japanese for the voice activation part? One
wrong intonation, and the seat may incinerate your privates.
Ar an dara lá is fiche de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Hibou:
> Le 21/09/2024 à 16:10, Aidan Kehoe a écrit :
> >>> Hibou hat am 21.09.2024 um 09:20 geschrieben:
> >>>>
> >>>> Our recent hire cars have displayed the speed limit, as read from limit
> >>>> signs via their cameras. It is often wrong, displaying a recent speed
> >>>> limit, not the current one - unsurprisingly, since in France there are a
> >>>> variety of signs that set the speed (a crossed-out place name, for
> >>>> instance), the camera lens may be dirty, a lorry may mask a sign, and so
> >>>> on.
> >>>>
> >>>> Apparently, the crazy EU has made this flawed system the basis for
> >>>> mandatory speed limiters (and the crazy UK has followed suit). If you
> >>>> run into someone stuck at 30 kph on a 130 kph autoroute, that's probably
> >>>> the reason.
> >
> > A mandatory warning is part of the law, but actual restriction is not,
>
> Do you have a source for that, a link?
https://etsc.eu/intelligent-speed-assistance-isa/
“The European Union agreed in 2019 to make an overridable version of [intelligent speed assistance], along with a number of other vehicle safety measures, mandatory on new models of car sold in the EU from July 2022 and on all new cars sold from July 2024.”
> > so should you be in those occasional situations where breaking the speed
> > limit is safer than following it, you can (usually, depending on your
> > manufacturer) just keep the foot on the accelerator despite the alarm.
>
> I think such situations are routine, not occasional.
>
> >>>> "However, our experience of such systems suggests they can get it wrong.
> >>>> In one instance, a car's traffic sign recognition system picked up a
> >>>> 30mph sign on a turning off a dual carriage and dramatically slowed
> >>>> down, despite the fact the car was actually travelling along the outside
> >>>> lane" -
> >>>> <https://www.parkers.co.uk/car-advice/speed-limiters-what-they-mean-for-you/>
> >>>>
> >>>> God preserve us from government!
> >
> > Apart from things like seatbelt laws, high taxes on tobacco, enforced
> > rules on food safety, regulation of medication? Or are you completely fine
> > with easily avoidable death and major disability, shorter and
> > worse-quality lives, mass poisonings, more mass poisonings? The middle
> > option saves on taxes given if you die at 63 from lung cancer you won’t
> > draw much in the way of state pension, so there is a financial but not
> > humanitarian argument for it. There’s no argument for the rest.
>
> I think you've missed my point, which was that the system for determining
> the speed limit is thoroughly unreliable, and not a suitable basis for
> restrictors, or even alarms sounding in drivers' ears.
Ah, maybe I have. My 2019 Toyota Corolla has a system that reads the speed-limit signs, displays the currently active speed limit, and changes the usual black-numbers-on-a-white-background display to white-numbers-on-a-red-background if I exceed that speed. It very occasionally
gets things wrong but is usually reliable, even on those parts of the island afflicted by speed limits in MPH. So my reading of things is from my own relevant experience rather than a journalist driving clicks.
occam hat am 22.09.2024 um 18:30 geschrieben:
On 22/09/2024 14:29, Janet wrote:
On my bucket-list; test-driving a Japanese-style
washlet toilet.
Must be the whole shebang with voice activated commands,
warm water bum wash and hot air dryer.
Have you started learning Japanese for the voice activation part? One wrong intonation, and the seat may incinerate your privates.
Just for your education, Japanese is NOT a tonal language. I do agree, though, that you'd better learn the relevant ideograms before you use a Japanese toilet, especially this one: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilets_in_Japan#/media/File:Wireless_toilet_control_panel_w._open_lid.jpg>
Perhaps you're lucky and can use this one: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilets_in_Japan#/media/File:Modern_japanese_toilet.jpg>
I wonder what's the difference between shower and bidet here. Spray
height, as the picture suggests?
On 22/09/2024 07:59, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
Ah, maybe I have. My 2019 Toyota Corolla has a system that reads the speed-limit signs, displays the currently active speed limit, and changes the usual black-numbers-on-a-white-background display to white-numbers-on-a-red-background if I exceed that speed. It very occasionally gets things wrong but is usually reliable, even on those parts of the island afflicted by speed limits in MPH. So my reading of things is from my own relevant experience rather than a journalist driving clicks.
This will be more of a problem for some, depending upon where you live.
My car uses a combination of satnav map data which includes the set speed limit on each road, plus the output of the camera which (attempts to) read speed limit signs.
Since the default speed limit in Wales was reduced to 20mph, the speed limit displayed by my car has been wrong more often than it is correct[1] - and not
just reading "30" when it ought to be "20".
At the moment that is a nuisance. If that same incorrect data is to be used in the way described in this thread, it becomes far more than a nuisance.
[1] In a 8 mile radius around my home, I am not exaggerating when I say "more often wrong that correct". - and yes the satnav's mapping data has been updated twice in the year since the limit was changed.
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
The one non-metric measurement that I find useful is "one foot per
nanosecond".
Impossible to go that fast,
On my bucket-list; test-driving a Japanese-style
washlet toilet.
Must be the whole shebang with voice activated commands,
warm water bum wash and hot air dryer.
Helmut Richter wrote:
And easier to remember than 1.609344. But when will you need such precision? >> For instance, when you drive on German roads outside villages, you must
reduce your speed to 31.0685 mph whereas the rough rule 1 mi = 1.6 km would >> have allowed you 31.2500 mph.
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
On 22/09/2024 14:29, Janet wrote:
In article <j2suejdqu7d0btfgnb3qtue7hue4q8apij@4ax.com>,
rich.ulrich@comcast.net says...
On Sat, 21 Sep 2024 21:11:31 +0200, Silvano
<Silvano@noncisonopernessuno.it> wrote:
Aidan Kehoe hat am 21.09.2024 um 17:10 geschrieben:
> On 21/09/2024 12:52, Silvano wrote:
> > Japan was already wiser 40 years ago, but the more appropriate name is
> > probably "speed limit warnings".
> > A friend gave me a ride there when an alarm sound went off.
> > - What does this noise mean?
> > - I was driving at over 100 km/h (the speed limit on their highways at
> > that time). We have a warning system on all our cars.
> > - What about all those cars overtaking us? Do they produce the same noise?
> > - Yes.
>
> This sound warning is optional on my car (i.e. can be disabled). The >>>>> > visual warning (on the GPS display) however, is not.
From what I saw at that time, Japan was ridiculously underdeveloped on >>>> some items (washing machines, squat toilets - well, they moved on in
these 40 years and we should learn a lot from them about modern toilets, >>>> see <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilets_in_Japan>), but it was much >>>> better than Continental Europe on other items (bullet trains, fax etc.). >>>> But even they did not have GPS displays 40 years ago.
I found that article on toilets in Japan to be interesting. I once
read a whole book about bathrooms, so it could be that I am easily
amused.
On my bucket-list; test-driving a Japanese-style
washlet toilet.
Must be the whole shebang with voice activated commands,
warm water bum wash and hot air dryer.
Have you started learning Japanese for the voice activation part? One
wrong intonation, and the seat may incinerate your privates.
Reminds me of an old joke, it ends with the doctor saying to his male patient,
"You must have pressed the blue button! That activates the tampon remover!"
On my bucket-list; test-driving a Japanese-style
washlet toilet.
Must be the whole shebang with voice activated commands,
warm water bum wash and hot air dryer.
I've just had a horrible thought. What if there are models that only
have cold water?
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed
limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
'mi' should be 'MPH'.
lar3ryca wrote:
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed
limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
'mi' should be 'MPH'.
No. km ~ mi
On 22/09/24 22:29, Janet wrote:
On my bucket-list; test-driving a Japanese-style
washlet toilet.
Must be the whole shebang with voice activated commands,
warm water bum wash and hot air dryer.
I've just had a horrible thought. What if there are models that only
have cold water?
On 2024-09-20, Helmut Richter <hr.usenet@email.de> wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to
alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
... the English-speaking world with the exception of Ireland, Canada, Australia, New Zealand, and South Africa and some others.
I'm well aware, but they still suffer exposure by way of American
media.
The American-Canadian border in particular is very leaky in this
regard. Canada is notionally fully metric, but economically aligned
with the US, and in practice you can find American units even in
Canadian French.
lar3ryca wrote:
Reminds me of an old joke, it ends with the doctor saying to his
male patient, "You must have pressed the blue button! That
activates the tampon remover!"
It can't have been *that* old. How long have automatic toilets been
around?
On 22/09/24 22:29, Janet wrote:
On my bucket-list; test-driving a Japanese-style
washlet toilet.
Must be the whole shebang with voice activated commands,
warm water bum wash and hot air dryer.
I've just had a horrible thought. What if there are models that only
have cold water?
On 22/09/24 22:29, Janet wrote:
On my bucket-list; test-driving a Japanese-style
washlet toilet.
Must be the whole shebang with voice activated commands,
warm water bum wash and hot air dryer.
I've just had a horrible thought. What if there are models that only
have cold water?
Ar an dara lá is fiche de mí Méan Fómhair, scríobh Sam Plusnet:
> On 22/09/2024 07:59, Aidan Kehoe wrote:
> > Ah, maybe I have. My 2019 Toyota Corolla has a system that reads the
> > speed-limit signs, displays the currently active speed limit, and changes
> > the usual black-numbers-on-a-white-background display to
> > white-numbers-on-a-red-background if I exceed that speed. It very
> > occasionally gets things wrong but is usually reliable, even on those
> > parts of the island afflicted by speed limits in MPH. So my reading of
> > things is from my own relevant experience rather than a journalist driving
> > clicks.
>
> This will be more of a problem for some, depending upon where you live.
>
> My car uses a combination of satnav map data which includes the set speed
> limit on each road, plus the output of the camera which (attempts to) read
> speed limit signs.
>
> Since the default speed limit in Wales was reduced to 20mph, the speed limit
> displayed by my car has been wrong more often than it is correct[1] - and not
> just reading "30" when it ought to be "20".
That is very tedious, and a very different situation to mine.
> At the moment that is a nuisance. If that same incorrect data is to be used
> in the way described in this thread, it becomes far more than a nuisance.
No rush to buy a new car, then.
> [1] In a 8 mile radius around my home, I am not exaggerating when I say
> "more often wrong that correct". - and yes the satnav's mapping data has
> been updated twice in the year since the limit was changed.
lar3ryca wrote:
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed
limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
'mi' should be 'MPH'.
No. km ~ mi
On 2024-09-22 23:50, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
lar3ryca wrote:
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed >>> limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
'mi' should be 'MPH'.
No. km ~ mi
Definitely not. A kilometre is not a speed, and a mile is not a speed.
There's a newsreader on a local radio station that insists on reporting
wind speeds as 'nn kilometres'.
It's a wonder I have any teeth left, after grinding them most mornings.
On 2024-09-22 23:50, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
lar3ryca wrote:
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed >>> limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
'mi' should be 'MPH'.
No. km ~ mi
Definitely not. A kilometre is not a speed, and a mile is not a speed.
There's a newsreader on a local radio station that insists on reporting
wind speeds as 'nn kilometres'.
It's a wonder I have any teeth left, after grinding them most mornings.
lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2024-09-22 23:50, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
lar3ryca wrote:
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed >>>>> limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
'mi' should be 'MPH'.
No. km ~ mi
Definitely not. A kilometre is not a speed, and a mile is not a speed.
There's a newsreader on a local radio station that insists on reporting
wind speeds as 'nn kilometres'.
It's a wonder I have any teeth left, after grinding them most mornings.
It's unlikely to be kilometers per second...
lar3ryca wrote:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
'mi' should be 'MPH'.
No. km ~ mi
Definitely not. A kilometre is not a speed, and a mile is not a speed.
Really? What a surprise.
I haven't said that they were. I showed conversion between two length
units. The intelligent reader would then immediately know that the same conversion can be use by speeds.
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
'mi' should be 'MPH'.
No. km ~ mi
Definitely not. A kilometre is not a speed, and a mile is not a speed.
Helmut Richter wrote:
And easier to remember than 1.609344. But when will you need such precision? >> For instance, when you drive on German roads outside villages, you must
reduce your speed to 31.0685 mph whereas the rough rule 1 mi = 1.6 km would >> have allowed you 31.2500 mph.
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
In article <vd0i4n$3kc45$1@dont-email.me>,
Bertel Lund Hansen <rundtosset@lundhansen.dk> wrote:
lar3ryca wrote:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
'mi' should be 'MPH'.
No. km ~ mi
Definitely not. A kilometre is not a speed, and a mile is not a speed.
Really? What a surprise.
I haven't said that they were. I showed conversion between two length units. The intelligent reader would then immediately know that the same conversion can be use by speeds.
at least both measurement systems us the same time units.
On 9/19/2024 5:12 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
After glancing at the discussion that follows this post, I thought it appropriate to point out the book "Dimensional Analysis" New Haven: Yale University Press (1922) by the Nobel Prize winning physicist Percy
Williams Bridgman.
It essentially describes and defines physical
dimensions such as distance, speed, energy, force, etc. as well as units
that are defined within a dimension such as meters, feet, and microns as distances. It shows that dimensions MUST match on both sides of an
equation and, if not, there must be multiplicative constants that have appropriate dimensions to restore balance. You may define base
dimensions and the others in terms of the base. For example, length,
mass, and time to do mechanics.
Within an equation, you must use the same units everyplace for
quantities in a specific dimension or dimensionless units of conversion
such as 12 inches per foot. It even shows how to determine when physics equations express nonsense because of unit disparity or non matching dimensions.
The cherry on the cake is discovery of new physical laws via
dimensional analysis.
If you can obtain access to a copy of this book, I recommend taking a
spin through it.
A hundred years ago it was novel and educated some very
bright individuals who hadn't quite caught on to what your current
discussion is all about. It wasn't all that obvious way back when. Of
course it was as soon as the subject was systematically presented.
Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2024 5:12 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to
alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5)
kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
After glancing at the discussion that follows this post, I thought it
appropriate to point out the book "Dimensional Analysis" New Haven: Yale
University Press (1922) by the Nobel Prize winning physicist Percy
Williams Bridgman.
He didn't win the nobel for this book.
(or for his peculiar philosophy of sciece)
It is one of those books that many know exists,
but few will actually have seen it, let alone read any of it.
(don't worry, no loss)
You will need a good old university library to find it,
or you may find a very rare antiquarian copy,
or an almost as rare and by now also antiquarian reprint.
It essentially describes and defines physical
dimensions such as distance, speed, energy, force, etc. as well as units
that are defined within a dimension such as meters, feet, and microns as
distances. It shows that dimensions MUST match on both sides of an
equation and, if not, there must be multiplicative constants that have
appropriate dimensions to restore balance. You may define base
dimensions and the others in terms of the base. For example, length,
mass, and time to do mechanics.
All completely trivial.
What's more, the subject matter has been almost completely forgotten.
All that remains is elementary high school knowledge
of the -conventional- systems of dimensions
that is nowadays associated with the SI.
Few people even know anymore that other systems of dimensions
are possible.
The misconception that a 'dimension' is somehow a property
of a physical quantity is shared nearly universally.
Within an equation, you must use the same units everyplace for
quantities in a specific dimension or dimensionless units of conversion
such as 12 inches per foot. It even shows how to determine when physics
equations express nonsense because of unit disparity or non matching
dimensions.
You may crash Mars landers through non-matching units,
never by non-matching dimensions.
The cherry on the cake is discovery of new physical laws via
dimensional analysis.
Not really. At best it allows you to guess at the form.
The book codifies the obvious.
Dimensional analysis was already well known and understood
through the works of the 19th century greats, such as Kelvin
and Rayleigh.
The use of the so called 'dimensionless numbers',
such as Reynolds', or Froude's number was already well established.
If you can obtain access to a copy of this book, I recommend taking a
spin through it.
A waste of time and perhaps also money, if you don't mind me saying so.
A hundred years ago it was novel and educated some very
bright individuals who hadn't quite caught on to what your current
discussion is all about. It wasn't all that obvious way back when. Of
course it was as soon as the subject was systematically presented.
Already then, Bridgman was belabouring the obvious,
On 9/25/2024 2:46 PM, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Jeff Barnett <jbb@notatt.com> wrote:
On 9/19/2024 5:12 PM, Christian Weisgerber wrote:
I'm sorry, I don't know where to post this. I'm crossposting to
alt.usage.english, because statute miles as a unit mostly afflict
the English-speaking world.
So you want to convert between miles and kilometers. The conversion
factor is... uh... A 40-year-old calculator book provides a useful
tip: Unless you're designing a space probe, you can use ln(5).
WHAT?
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5)
kilometers. It's accurate to four digits.
If nothing else, it's faster to type on a calculator.
I think that's hysterical.
After glancing at the discussion that follows this post, I thought it
appropriate to point out the book "Dimensional Analysis" New Haven: Yale >> University Press (1922) by the Nobel Prize winning physicist Percy
Williams Bridgman.
He didn't win the nobel for this book.
(or for his peculiar philosophy of sciece)
It is one of those books that many know exists,
but few will actually have seen it, let alone read any of it.
(don't worry, no loss)
You will need a good old university library to find it,
or you may find a very rare antiquarian copy,
or an almost as rare and by now also antiquarian reprint.
It essentially describes and defines physical
dimensions such as distance, speed, energy, force, etc. as well as units >> that are defined within a dimension such as meters, feet, and microns as >> distances. It shows that dimensions MUST match on both sides of an
equation and, if not, there must be multiplicative constants that have
appropriate dimensions to restore balance. You may define base
dimensions and the others in terms of the base. For example, length,
mass, and time to do mechanics.
All completely trivial.
What's more, the subject matter has been almost completely forgotten.
All that remains is elementary high school knowledge
of the -conventional- systems of dimensions
that is nowadays associated with the SI.
Few people even know anymore that other systems of dimensions
are possible.
The misconception that a 'dimension' is somehow a property
of a physical quantity is shared nearly universally.
Within an equation, you must use the same units everyplace for
quantities in a specific dimension or dimensionless units of conversion
such as 12 inches per foot. It even shows how to determine when physics
equations express nonsense because of unit disparity or non matching
dimensions.
You may crash Mars landers through non-matching units,
never by non-matching dimensions.
The cherry on the cake is discovery of new physical laws via
dimensional analysis.
Not really. At best it allows you to guess at the form.
The book codifies the obvious.
Dimensional analysis was already well known and understood
through the works of the 19th century greats, such as Kelvin
and Rayleigh.
The use of the so called 'dimensionless numbers',
such as Reynolds', or Froude's number was already well established.
If you can obtain access to a copy of this book, I recommend taking a
spin through it.
A waste of time and perhaps also money, if you don't mind me saying so.
A hundred years ago it was novel and educated some very
bright individuals who hadn't quite caught on to what your current
discussion is all about. It wasn't all that obvious way back when. Of
course it was as soon as the subject was systematically presented.
Already then, Bridgman was belabouring the obvious,
Let me start by pointing out that I don't believe I implied that his
Noble Prize was for this book; I know it wasn't. I'm assuming from the
above that you haven't read the book. There is material in it that you
must have skipped or don't remember if you had.
By the way, much to my
surprise new paperback copies are available from Amazon for a modest
price. The copy I have was made on a xerox machine 50+ years ago and is torture to read - every page has a different slant.
It's mostly true that unit mistakes can cause mayhem but so can
dimensional mistakes. I remember helping track down a calculation that
would not balance on Apollo because a newbie engineer didn't realize
that "knots" measured speed, not distance. No harm was done, just a big
waste of time. This is all apropos of the discussion in this thread.
There were other similar mistakes that were common - I suppose these
events (as well as greed) were responsible for the huge people and
project redundancies on Apollo.
Later on in a different world, I invented some unit and dimension
software for the Symbolics Lisp Machines. Dimensions had the status of
data types and units were presentation types. So if you wanted to input,
say an energy, the mouse would highlight and retrieve both erg and joule values but not numbers that represented forces. The developer could
define the system (e.g. mks or fps) by preferred units as well as the electrostatic system in play. Conversions were automatic and, assuming
the programmer didn't bitch things up, neither could his users. I
mentioned this stuff to a physicist and was told to go read his copy of Bridgman.
The book is chuck full of examples that show world class physicist
making unit and dimension errors. It also shows some techniques to avoid them. And as I said above some new physics was discovered using the
described techniques.
Once again, I remind you the book is 100 years
old. The above discussion shows that folks in the arts and sciences are
still making elementary mistakes of the sorts described.
On 20/09/2024 11:10, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
Helmut Richter wrote:
And easier to remember than 1.609344. But when will you need such precision?
For instance, when you drive on German roads outside villages, you must
reduce your speed to 31.0685 mph whereas the rough rule 1 mi = 1.6 km would
have allowed you 31.2500 mph.
I haven't neede it, but just for fun I have calculated the Danish speed limits in miles. If you want round firgures, it's:
50 km = 30 mi
80 km = 50 mi
110 km = 70 mi (2 km too much)
130 km = 80 mi
I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find that in
my local branch of Halfords, for a mere 3.99, I can buy a handy guide
to stick on my windscreen:
<https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speedright-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>
I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to buy this "safety device".
I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find that in
my local branch of Halfords, for a mere £3.99, I can buy a handy guide
to stick on my windscreen:
<https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speedright-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>
I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to buy this
"safety device".
Classic cars without dual display?
On 23/09/24 01:50, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
The one non-metric measurement that I find useful is "one foot per
nanosecond".
Impossible to go that fast,
Useful, though, to get an estimate of the time delays across the width
of a printed circuit board.
I'm not actually involved in high-speed electronics, but I think the
current rule of thumb is that the speed of signals on a printed circuit
board is about two-thirds of the speed in a vacuum.
I was working on the assumption that the car does not have a GPS receiver; it has a SIM card and will call the emergency services if it feels there is an accident, and my working understanding was that its location sensing was done in the same way that mobile phones do, with triangulation from masts.
However I have no mobile reception where I live and when I check today it does seem to work out the location with reasonable fidelity (I don’t normallly use the built-in navigation, Toyota do not excel at software) so it may have a built-in GPS.
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers.
On 2024-09-19, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5) kilometers.
PS:
"The Maritime Approximation"
https://xkcd.com/3023/
pi mph = e knots
On 2024-09-19, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5)
kilometers.
PS:
"The Maritime Approximation"
https://xkcd.com/3023/
pi mph = e knots
Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
On 2024-09-19, Christian Weisgerber <naddy@mips.inka.de> wrote:
Yes, the natural logrithm of 5 approximates the conversion factor
between miles and kilometers; specifically one mile is about ln(5)
kilometers.
PS:
"The Maritime Approximation"
https://xkcd.com/3023/
pi mph = e knots
Why would a sailor, or a pilot, want to know about miles?
There is of course no need to drag time into it.
It can be simplified to pi landlubber miles
equals e seaman miles,
Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find that in
my local branch of Halfords, for a mere £3.99, I can buy a handy guide
to stick on my windscreen:
<https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speedright-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>
I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to buy this >>> "safety device".
Classic cars without dual display?
I see in my mind a driver who smashes into an oncoming vehicle while
studying the table.
On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:40:44 +0100[-]
Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> wrote:
right-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find that in
my local branch of Halfords, for a mere 3.99, I can buy a handy guide
to stick on my windscreen:
<https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speed
I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to buy this "safety device".
Classic cars without dual display?
But requiring scriptytosh to view the website is standard.
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:right-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>
On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:40:44 +0100 Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid>[-]
wrote:
I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find
that in my local branch of Halfords, for a mere 3.99, I can buy
a handy guide to stick on my windscreen:
<https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speed
I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to
buy this "safety device".
Classic cars without dual display?
But requiring scriptytosh to view the website is standard.
You can still buy new speedometers with a single display, for
classic cars. It proves how classic they are.
OTOH, most new cars sold in Europe have single scale speedometers.
It is the dual scale things which have become classic. Even the new
Minis have a single scale, kilometers only, (don't know about Minis
sold in Britain)
On 01/03/25 20:36, J. J. Lodder wrote:
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:40:44 +0100 Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid> wrote:[-]
I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find that
in my local branch of Halfords, for a mere 3.99, I can buy a handy
guide to stick on my windscreen:
<https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/speed
right-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>
I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to buy
this "safety device".
Classic cars without dual display?
But requiring scriptytosh to view the website is standard.
You can still buy new speedometers with a single display, for classic
cars. It proves how classic they are.
OTOH, most new cars sold in Europe have single scale speedometers. It
is the dual scale things which have become classic. Even the new Minis
have a single scale, kilometers only, (don't know about Minis sold in Britain)
I have never seen an Australian car with a dual mph/km/h display. I
presume that the dual display is confined to countries who started to transition to metric and never finished the job. A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but forgot to invite one of the
parties to the negotiations.
Does any country other than the UK have dual-display speedos?
Does any country other than the UK have dual-display speedos?
On my present car, I can choose whether to show MPH or kph, but not both at once.
I have never seen an Australian car with a dual mph/km/h display. I
presume that the dual display is confined to countries who started to transition to metric and never finished the job.
Does any country other than the UK have dual-display speedos?
A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.
You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
have Ukraine twisting in the wind.
On 01/03/25 20:36, J. J. Lodder wrote:ed
Kerr-Mudd, John <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
On Wed, 25 Sep 2024 14:40:44 +0100 Phil <phil@anonymous.invalid>[-]
wrote:
I was more than a little surprised, just this morning, to find
that in my local branch of Halfords, for a mere 3.99, I can buy
a handy guide to stick on my windscreen:
<https://www.halfords.com/motoring/travel-accessories/travel-equipment/spe
right-safety-device-181812.html?stockInventory=undefined>
I can't help wondering who, in the 21st century, is expected to
buy this "safety device".
Classic cars without dual display?
But requiring scriptytosh to view the website is standard.
You can still buy new speedometers with a single display, for
classic cars. It proves how classic they are.
OTOH, most new cars sold in Europe have single scale speedometers.
It is the dual scale things which have become classic. Even the new
Minis have a single scale, kilometers only, (don't know about Minis
sold in Britain)
I have never seen an Australian car with a dual mph/km/h display. I
presume that the dual display is confined to countries who started to transition to metric and never finished the job. A bit like the idiot
who said he had a solution to end a war but forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.
Does any country other than the UK have dual-display speedos?
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum. [...]
Le 02/03/2025 à 06:02, Peter Moylan a écrit :
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV
audience got.
It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's
comment that
Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world,
though,
the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as
America's
most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and
got a
hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have
closed ranks
behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a
tantrum. [...]
Yes.
United States - big country, small president.
Ukraine - small country, big president.
Le 02/03/2025 06:02, Peter Moylan a crit :
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum. [...]
Yes.
United States - big country, small president.
Ukraine - small country, big president.
On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:
A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.
You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
have Ukraine twisting in the wind.
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.
It didn't help Vance's reputation either. He came across looking like a ventriloquist's puppet. He seemed to be in over his head. Not really VP material.
On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:
A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.
You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
have Ukraine twisting in the wind.
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that
Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.
We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal
he makes, but the other party has to lose.
IMO he is currently the single worst human¹ on the planet, with Putin as
a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.
and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks behind
Ukraine.
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:18:42 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:
A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.
You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
have Ukraine twisting in the wind.
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got. >> It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that
Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.
We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal
he makes, but the other party has to lose.
IMO he is currently the single worst human? on the planet, with Putin as
a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.
I think you overlooked Netanyahu.
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:18:42 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:
A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.
You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
have Ukraine twisting in the wind.
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got. >>>> It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that >>>> Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though, >>>> the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks >>>> behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.
We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal >>> he makes, but the other party has to lose.
IMO he is currently the single worst human? on the planet, with Putin as >>> a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.
I think you overlooked Netanyahu.
Deliberately I guess.
This is also your South African perspective showing.
In the USA and much of Western Europe all mention of Netanyahu
in connection with crimes against humanity, or war crimes,
is met with voluminous howling of 'anti-semitism'.
(against Francesca Albanese for example)
Netanyahu is the good guy, and all he does is justified
because he is fighting those horrible 'terrorist'.
It is all the fault of the ICC, for falsely accusing him.
They cannot see Israel like South Africa sees it,
as an example of an apartheids regime,
and as just another nasty (de)colonisation war.
'The West' (-USA by now) also fails to see
that it is their double standard
wrt Gaza/Ukraine that makes 'the rest ot the world'
unwilling to widely condemn Russia for its agression.
Jan
(yes, too broad a brush)
Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:18:42 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:
A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.
You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
have Ukraine twisting in the wind.
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got. >> >> It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that >> >> Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though, >> >> the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.
We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal
he makes, but the other party has to lose.
IMO he is currently the single worst human? on the planet, with Putin as
a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.
I think you overlooked Netanyahu.
Deliberately I guess.
This is also your South African perspective showing.
In the USA and much of Western Europe all mention of Netanyahu
in connection with crimes against humanity, or war crimes,
is met with voluminous howling of 'anti-semitism'.
(against Francesca Albanese for example)
Netanyahu is the good guy, and all he does is justified
because he is fighting those horrible 'terrorist'.
It is all the fault of the ICC, for falsely accusing him.
They cannot see Israel like South Africa sees it,
as an example of an apartheids regime,
and as just another nasty (de)colonisation war.
'The West' (-USA by now) also fails to see
that it is their double standard
wrt Gaza/Ukraine that makes 'the rest ot the world'
unwilling to widely condemn Russia for its agression.
Jan
(yes, too broad a brush)
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 6:02:13 +0000, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:
A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.
You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
have Ukraine twisting in the wind.
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that
Zelenskyy had been "disciplined".
On Sun, 2 Mar 2025 11:18:42 -0600, lar3ryca <larry@invalid.ca> wrote:
On 2025-03-02 00:02, Peter Moylan wrote:
On 02/03/25 11:26, Snidely wrote:
A bit like the idiot who said he had a solution to end a war but
forgot to invite one of the parties to the negotiations.
You're being generous if you think it was just forgetting. The
display he and his wingman Vance just gave was clearly intended to
have Ukraine twisting in the wind.
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got. >>> It went down well in Moscow, of course, along with Putin's comment that
Zelenskyy had been "disciplined". Throughout the Western world, though,
the reactions were along the lines of "this will go down as America's
most shameful day in history". Zelenskyy went on to London and got a
hero's welcome, and all the European leaders seem to have closed ranks
behind Ukraine. Trump came across as a little kid having a tantrum.
We can expect nothing more from Trump. USA LLC is now a company with a
CEO that runs it based solely on profits, and with no HR department.
This is made worse by his belief that it's not enough to win in any deal
he makes, but the other party has to lose.
IMO he is currently the single worst human¹ on the planet, with Putin as
a close second. Both of them are the most likely to start a nuclear war.
I think you overlooked Netanyahu.
On 2025-03-02, Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org> wrote:
Trump didn't seem to understand the impression that the TV audience got.
I thought Trump was performing for his supporters and it was well
received in those quarters.
Igor Girkin[1], of all people, has an astute take:
Overall, I disagree with the assessment of this meeting and its
outcome as presented by our media. On our television, they claimed
that Trump and Vance harshly humiliated Zelensky.
believe that it was Zelensky who utterly humiliated Trump and
Vance in front of the central American media and all of America.
When Trump, in his characteristically boorish cowboy manner, tried
to demean Zelensky in the Oval Office of the White House, he ended
up with the exact opposite result.
Not only did Zelensky refuse the deal that Trump already considered
as good as in his pocket—a deal he could have presented to his
voters and all U.S. citizens as his first major foreign policy
success-but he effectively turned the tables.
direct and demonstrative defiance from someone he regarded, at
best, as a servant, or more likely as some sort of "white native,"
whose opinion doesn't matter and who is expected to bow on command
to the "big white sahib" as much and in whatever way the latter
pleases.
Zelensky demonstrated that the elites in Europe and the U.S.
supporting him are strong enough to oppose Trump, at least on
this level. Of course, Donald will never forgive Zelensky for
this—absolutely never. The question, however, is different: what
can he do about it? And the answer is, not much.
https://bsky.app/profile/wartranslated.bsky.social/post/3ljext3mkhk2p
[1] Russian ultranationalist, involved in Russia's invasion of
Donbas in 2014, convicted of shooting down MH17, currently
languishing in a Russian prison because of his strident criticism
of the Russian leadership and Putin personally for half-assing
the invasion of Ukraine.
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