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  • xxxxx Univ. --vs.-- The Univ. of xxxxxxxx

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 23 05:11:51 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    Why are some uni's The University of xxxxxxxx
    and others xxxxxx University ?


    e.g. The University of California at ...........


    i think ... [U of xxxxxx] is the older format.


    but Harvard Univ. is the oldest in the USA ?

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  • From Rich Ulrich@21:1/5 to All on Mon Sep 23 02:16:13 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 05:11:51 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
    wrote:

    Why are some uni's The University of xxxxxxxx
    and others xxxxxx University ?


    It seems pretty natural to me to say University of xxxx when
    xxxx is a place. It does not work well for a person's name

    Similarly xxxx University is natural when the xxxx is a person's
    name, though I feel only a little strain to this ordering for a place.


    e.g. The University of California at ...........

    California may have been the first to have branches named
    that way. I seem to recall feeling it was novel.

    My impression is that "at ..." has become pretty standard for
    referring to branches of state university systems. IIRC, Texas
    set up that sort of naming when the state legislature centralized
    their funding for colleges and universities, creating at least a
    couple of systems.

    Texas Tech alumni were proud of their name and fought successfullly
    against the proposed renaming to "Texas State University"; thus, the
    odd variation, Texas Tech University.

    Wiki -
    Texas Tech University (Texas Tech, Tech, or TTU) is a public
    research university in Lubbock, Texas, United States. Established
    on February 10, 1923, and called Texas Technological College until
    1969, it is the flagship institution of the five-institution Texas
    Tech University System.

    The larger Texas system is the UT system, based in Austin, having
    9 universities and 5 medical facilities.



    i think ... [U of xxxxxx] is the older format.


    but Harvard Univ. is the oldest in the USA ?


    Wikipedia -- Harvard
    Founded October 28, 1636, and named for its first benefactor, the
    Puritan clergyman John Harvard, it is the oldest institution of
    higher learning in the United States

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  • From Peter Moylan@21:1/5 to Rich Ulrich on Mon Sep 23 22:50:09 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On 23/09/24 16:16, Rich Ulrich wrote:

    Texas Tech alumni were proud of their name and fought successfullly
    against the proposed renaming to "Texas State University"; thus,
    the odd variation, Texas Tech University.

    One Melbourne tertiary institution started in 1887 as the Working Men's College. After a couple of name changes and mergers, it became the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology in 1960. When I taught there in 1967
    (only one subject, as a casual teacher) it was considered to be the most prestigious technical college in the state.

    It is now called RMIT University. On its web site, it is not easy to
    discover what RMIT stands for.

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Tony Cooper on Mon Sep 23 17:55:37 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, iu.misc

    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 14:19:16 +0000, Tony Cooper wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 02:16:13 -0400, Rich Ulrich
    <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

    On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 05:11:51 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
    wrote:

    Why are some uni's The University of xxxxxxxx
    and others xxxxxx University ?


    It seems pretty natural to me to say University of xxxx when
    xxxx is a place. It does not work well for a person's name

    Similarly xxxx University is natural when the xxxx is a person's
    name, though I feel only a little strain to this ordering for a place.


    My alma mater is now "Indiana University". It was founded as "State Seminary" in 1820, became "Indiana College" in 1828, and "Indiana
    University" in 1838.

    While a late-comer compared to Harvard, Indiana only became a state in
    1816.



    (the) University of Indiana is the same as Indiana University.


    Indiana State University (ISU) is a separate, independent
    university located in Terre Haute, Indiana. --- While it's often
    mentioned alongside IU due to their proximity and similar names, they
    are distinct institutions.



    to add to the confusion,

    Purdue University is not part of Indiana University (IU).

    IUPUI stands for Indiana University Purdue University
    Indianapolis. It's a joint campus formed by Indiana University and
    Purdue University, located in Indianapolis.

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  • From lar3ryca@21:1/5 to Peter Moylan on Mon Sep 23 15:41:53 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On 2024-09-23 06:50, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 23/09/24 16:16, Rich Ulrich wrote:

    Texas Tech alumni were proud of their name and fought successfullly
    against the proposed renaming to "Texas State University";  thus,
    the odd variation, Texas Tech University.

    One Melbourne tertiary institution started in 1887 as the Working Men's College. After a couple of name changes and mergers, it became the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology in 1960. When I taught there in 1967
    (only one subject, as a casual teacher) it was considered to be the most prestigious technical college in the state.

    It is now called RMIT University. On its web site, it is not easy to
    discover what RMIT stands for.

    I had quite a chuckle when an advertisement on TV spoke of an event
    happening at the First Nations University here in Regina.

    It's abbreviated name is "FNUniv", and the guy speaking called it
    "F N univ", which sound exactly like 'eff'n univ'.

    --
    Tinsel is really snake mirrors.

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  • From Peter Moylan@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 24 09:34:31 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english

    On 24/09/24 07:41, lar3ryca wrote:
    On 2024-09-23 06:50, Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 23/09/24 16:16, Rich Ulrich wrote:

    Texas Tech alumni were proud of their name and fought
    successfullly against the proposed renaming to "Texas State
    University"; thus, the odd variation, Texas Tech University.

    One Melbourne tertiary institution started in 1887 as the Working
    Men's College. After a couple of name changes and mergers, it
    became the Royal Melbourne Institute of Technology in 1960. When I
    taught there in 1967 (only one subject, as a casual teacher) it
    was considered to be the most prestigious technical college in the
    state.

    It is now called RMIT University. On its web site, it is not easy
    to discover what RMIT stands for.

    I had quite a chuckle when an advertisement on TV spoke of an event
    happening at the First Nations University here in Regina.

    It's abbreviated name is "FNUniv", and the guy speaking called it "F
    N univ", which sound exactly like 'eff'n univ'.

    Back in about 1980 the federal government here forced a lot of mergers
    between tertiary institutions [1]. The claim was that larger
    institutions were more cost-efficient, when all the evidence showed the
    very opposite. It caused a lot of misery and was strongly opposed by the institutions themselves, but it was pushed through anyway.

    For a little while, it seemed that the amalgamated mess in northern NSW
    was going to be called the Combined University of the Northern
    Tablelands, but somebody noticed in time to change the name.

    [1] At the time, I predicted that it would take fifty years to undo the
    damage. I was wrong. The fifty years is nearly up, and the changes are
    now irreversible. Morale in my own university is terrible; in hindsight,
    I'm lucky to be out of it.

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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