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  • (from Faust) -- Und wenn es uns gluckt, Und wenn es sich schickt, So si

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Tue Sep 24 08:26:12 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, soc.culture.german

    What's the meaning? (from Faust) ? --------->


    Und wenn es uns gluckt,
    Und wenn es sich schickt,
    So sind es Gedanken.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/schicken


    (spoken by the witches' familiars (often presented as monkeys or apes)
    who are in the witch's kitchen where potions are brewed)

    So these are like (semi- nonsensical) incantations?

    And if we get lucky,
    And if everything fits,
    So (in this way) our thoughts (luckily) fit


    Maybe the idea is that... all the ingredients and the
    ideas (thoughts) all fit into the magic potion?


    These words are a lot like [Bubble, bubble, ...] in Macbeth?



    _______________________ Breakdown of "So sind es Gedanken"


    So - This word can have multiple meanings depending on the context, but
    in this sentence, it likely means "thus" or "in this way."

    sind - This is the present tense form of the verb "sein," which means
    "to be." Here, "sind" translates to "are."

    es - This pronoun means "it."

    Gedanken - This is the plural form of the noun "Gedanke," which means "thought."

    Therefore, the entire sentence translates to "So these are thoughts."

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Wed Sep 25 01:40:56 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.language.latin

    On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 8:26:12 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

    What's the meaning? (from Faust) ? --------->


    Und wenn es uns gluckt,
    Und wenn es sich schickt,
    So sind es Gedanken.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/schicken


    (spoken by the witches' familiars (often presented as monkeys or apes)
    who are in the witch's kitchen where potions are brewed)

    So these are like (semi- nonsensical) incantations?

    And if we get lucky,
    And if everything fits,
    So (in this way) our thoughts (luckily) fit


    Maybe the idea is that... all the ingredients and the
    ideas (thoughts) all fit into the magic potion?


    These words are a lot like [Bubble, bubble, ...] in Macbeth?



    _______________________ Breakdown of "So sind es Gedanken"


    So - This word can have multiple meanings depending on the context, but
    in this sentence, it likely means "thus" or "in this way."

    sind - This is the present tense form of the verb "sein," which means
    "to be." Here, "sind" translates to "are."

    es - This pronoun means "it."

    Gedanken - This is the plural form of the noun "Gedanke," which means "thought."

    Therefore, the entire sentence translates to "So these are thoughts."





    In my copy of Faust (a Norton Critical Edition) ----


    Animals: If haply point
    Is joined to point
    With luck it's meaning!

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  • From Peter Moylan@21:1/5 to All on Fri Oct 4 09:41:39 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, alt.language.latin

    On 04/10/24 08:31, t400ec wrote:

    That's " and if we hear clucking ...."

    Of course. The thread was started by the hen.

    the u needs an Umlaut:

    Und wenn es uns glückt,
    Und wenn es sich schickt,
    So sind es Gedanken.

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From bertietaylor@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Thu Oct 3 23:57:01 2024
    XPost: alt.usage.english, soc.culture.german

    On Tue, 24 Sep 2024 8:26:12 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

    What's the meaning? (from Faust) ? --------->


    Und wenn es uns gluckt,
    Und wenn es sich schickt,
    So sind es Gedanken.

    https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/schicken


    (spoken by the witches' familiars (often presented as monkeys or apes)
    who are in the witch's kitchen where potions are brewed)

    So these are like (semi- nonsensical) incantations?

    Not at all. They are very scientific as investigating exploratory stages
    into the unknown.

    And if we get lucky,
    And if everything fits,
    So (in this way) our thoughts (luckily) fit

    Brilliant.
    They depend upon luck, patience, tenacity, effort, measures, methods to
    come up with something useful.
    Alchemy resulted from all such work and led to chemistry with great
    insights.


    Maybe the idea is that... all the ingredients and the
    ideas (thoughts) all fit into the magic potion?

    No. They want to make a magic potion with ingredients whose natures they
    partly understand. If lucky they know how to repeat. So, very
    scientific.

    These days the methods of science has changed to something dogmatic and focussed and institutional.
    These words are a lot like [Bubble, bubble, ...] in Macbeth?



    _______________________ Breakdown of "So sind es Gedanken"


    So - This word can have multiple meanings depending on the context, but
    in this sentence, it likely means "thus" or "in this way."

    sind - This is the present tense form of the verb "sein," which means
    "to be." Here, "sind" translates to "are."

    es - This pronoun means "it."

    Gedanken - This is the plural form of the noun "Gedanke," which means "thought."

    Therefore, the entire sentence translates to "So these are thoughts."

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