• Babbling Day (21 October)

    From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to All on Mon Oct 21 22:30:58 2024
    "...another day that has come out of the United States without any
    obvious origin or reason."
    (Various web sites throw out different ideas about why there should be
    such a day. None claim responsibility for it.)
    To fill up the rest of the page, Crystal talks about "babbling" as a
    particular phase of children's language development.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babbling

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  • From Jeff Barnett@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Mon Oct 21 13:32:49 2024
    On 10/21/2024 3:30 AM, Ross Clark wrote:
    "...another day that has come out of the United States without any
    obvious origin or reason."
    (Various web sites throw out different ideas about why there should be
    such a day. None claim responsibility for it.)
    To fill up the rest of the page, Crystal talks about "babbling" as a particular phase of children's language development.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babbling

    Not sure if this is relevant but ... Timing seems to concur with the
    voting time for the major US elections. Even my untrained ear tends to associate what I hear with the word babbling. The could equally call it "stumping and thumping time" but babbling with the hint of childhood and
    lack of mature brain control just might be more accurate; both for the production and the gullible consumption of the sounds.
    --
    Jeff Barnett

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  • From HenHanna@21:1/5 to Ross Clark on Mon Oct 21 19:29:42 2024
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    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 9:30:58 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    "...another day that has come out of the United States without any
    obvious origin or reason."
    (Various web sites throw out different ideas about why there should be
    such a day. None claim responsibility for it.)
    To fill up the rest of the page, Crystal talks about "babbling" as a particular phase of children's language development.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babbling


    i think it was John Ciardi who made a point about...
    Babble and Babel are etym. unrelated.

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  • From LionelEdwards@21:1/5 to HenHanna on Mon Oct 21 22:24:18 2024
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    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 19:29:42 +0000, HenHanna wrote:

    On Mon, 21 Oct 2024 9:30:58 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

    "...another day that has come out of the United States without any
    obvious origin or reason."
    (Various web sites throw out different ideas about why there should be
    such a day. None claim responsibility for it.)
    To fill up the rest of the page, Crystal talks about "babbling" as a
    particular phase of children's language development.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Babbling


    i think it was John Ciardi who made a point about...
    Babble and Babel are etym. unrelated.

    Genesis 11
    King James Version

    11 And the whole earth was of one language, and of
    one speech.

    2 And it came to pass, as they journeyed from the east,
    that they found a plain in the land of Shinar; and they
    dwelt there.

    3 And they said one to another, Go to, let us make brick,
    and burn them thoroughly. And they had brick for stone,
    and slime had they for morter.

    4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a
    tower, whose top may reach unto heaven; and let us make
    us a name, lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of
    the whole earth.

    5 And the Lord came down to see the city and the tower,
    which the children of men builded.

    6 And the Lord said, Behold, the people is one, and they
    have all one language; and this they begin to do: and
    now nothing will be restrained from them, which they
    have imagined to do.

    7 Go to, let us go down, and there confound their
    language, that they may not understand one another's
    speech.

    8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon
    the face of all the earth: and they left off to build
    the city.

    9 Therefore is the name of it called Babel; because
    the Lord did there confound the language of all the
    earth: and from thence did the Lord scatter them
    abroad upon the face of all the earth.

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  • From Peter Moylan@21:1/5 to LionelEdwards on Tue Oct 22 09:46:46 2024
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    On 22/10/24 09:24, LionelEdwards wrote:

    Genesis 11 King James Version

    11 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

    [...]

    4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top
    may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be
    scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

    [...]

    8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all
    the earth: and they left off to build the city.

    I'd never noticed this detail before: the builders of the tower knew
    what their punishment was going to be. How did they know? Had a previous
    "no high-rises" law been proclaimed, with scattering abroad as the
    punishment for breaking the law?

    --
    Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
    Newcastle, NSW

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to Peter Moylan on Tue Oct 22 19:16:45 2024
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    Peter Moylan wrote:
    On 22/10/24 09:24, LionelEdwards wrote:

    Genesis 11 King James Version

    11 And the whole earth was of one language, and of one speech.

    [...]

    4 And they said, Go to, let us build us a city and a tower, whose top
    may reach unto heaven; and let us make us a name, lest we be
    scattered abroad upon the face of the whole earth.

    [...]

    8 So the Lord scattered them abroad from thence upon the face of all
    the earth: and they left off to build the city.

    I'd never noticed this detail before: the builders of the tower knew
    what their punishment was going to be. How did they know? Had a previous
    "no high-rises" law been proclaimed, with scattering abroad as the
    punishment for breaking the law?


    Probably not. But if they'd heard or read any of the early Old Testament
    books, they'd have lived in constant fear of doing anything out of the norm. The Greeks called it "hubris", their Olympian gods took vengeance; but
    the Jewish Yahweh outdid even them in severity of punishment.

    Ed

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