• Dum in Czech and Latin

    From HenHanna@21:1/5 to All on Wed Oct 23 18:35:33 2024
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    “Nil sapientiae odiosius (est) acumine nimio.”

    -------- So compact and elegant...


    Czech: Nic není pro moudrost škodlivější než přílišná bystrost.


    Polish:
    Nic nie jest bardziej szkodliwe dla mądrości niż nadmierna bystrość.


    _____________

    Yes, one-letter changes in word endings are extremely common in
    Czech.

    This is due to the complex system of declensions and conjugations, where
    words change form depending on their grammatical role in a sentence.

    For example, the word for "house" is "dům". Its declensions might look
    like this:

    Nominative: dům (the house)
    Genitive: domu (of the house)
    Dative: domu (to the house)
    Accusative: dům (the house, direct object)
    Vocative: dome (O house!)
    Locative: domě (in the house)
    Instrumental: domem (by the house)

    _______________

    interesting... This dum is unrelated to Latin dum


    Dum scribit, cantat. (While he writes, he sings.)

    Expecta dum venio. (Wait until I come.)

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 11:16:28 2024
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  • From Christian Weisgerber@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Thu Oct 24 14:33:53 2024
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    On 2024-10-24, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

    [Czech]
    For example, the word for "house" is "dům". Its declensions might look
    like this:

    It's probably from Latin "domus".

    You might think that, but the etymological consensus is that Slavic
    "dom" and Latin "domus" are cognates, both going back to PIE *dṓm.

    The -ů-/-o- alternation in the Czech word is a common pattern, due to
    a soundshift from earlier long ó > uo > ů [uː]. Polish has a similar alternation -ó- [u]/-o-, albeit not in this word.

    --
    Christian "naddy" Weisgerber naddy@mips.inka.de

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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 18:51:57 2024
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  • From Ed Cryer@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 19:28:42 2024
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  • From Silvano@21:1/5 to All on Thu Oct 24 21:46:38 2024
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    Ed Cryer hat am 24.10.2024 um 20:28 geschrieben:
    Latin, on the other hand, was a living language. It was the native
    tongue of a group of people who inhabited N. Italy.

    Northern Italy? LOL. Please have a look at an atlas and find Rome in Italy.

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  • From Ross Clark@21:1/5 to Ed Cryer on Fri Oct 25 22:43:21 2024
    On 25/10/2024 6:51 a.m., Ed Cryer wrote:
    Christian Weisgerber wrote:
    On 2024-10-24, Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:

    [Czech]
    For example, the word for "house" is "dům". Its declensions might look >>>> like this:

    It's probably from Latin "domus".

    You might think that, but the etymological consensus is that Slavic
    "dom" and Latin "domus" are cognates, both going back to PIE *dṓm.

    The -ů-/-o- alternation in the Czech word is a common pattern, due to
    a soundshift from earlier long ó > uo > ů [uː]. Polish has a similar
    alternation -ó- [u]/-o-, albeit not in this word.


    Indo-European was never a language. Nobody ever spoke it. It's a
    collection of similar bits and pieces of language assembled with
    hindsight. And when it comes to Proto-Indo-European, well, .... castles
    in the air.
    It's as if you were to walk through a junk-yard of old and trashed cars,
    find similarities, and build families of them. And then you examine the families, and find similarities in those, whence you construct a
    previous family.
    Given some perseverance you might fathom it back prior to the Tower of
    Babel, and find some original lingo that all the homines sapientes
    coming out of Africa spoke and understood.  (:-

    Ed


    I haven't seen this kind of radical I-E skepticism around here since the Indocentrics of yesteryear, now thankfully departed. Do you have an
    alternative explanation for the many resemblances among I-E languages on
    which scholars have based their reconstruction of the proto-language?
    Does your skepticism apply to all the other language families and their associated proto-languages?

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