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charles wrote:

HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> wrote:

Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong

------------ ive always remembered is as Ding, Dong, Ding
or maybe Ding Ding Dong

but recently i've seen Ding-dang-dong, ding-dang-dong.

What is most common ???

Are you sleeping, are you sleeping,. Brother John, brother John. Morning
bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing,. Ding-dang-dong,
ding-dang-dong.

when I learned the rhyme (1940s?), it was in (the original) French). It had ding-dang-dong.

Ditto, tho much later than the 40s ;)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fr%C3%A8re_Jacques

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frere_Jacques

From the 1700s give or take. The representation of
bell sounds has a few variations. No idea what the
earliest might be.

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Peter Moylan wrote:

On 09/11/24 05:52, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

  Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí na Samhain, scríobh HenHanna:

  > Are you sleeping?
  > Are you sleeping?
  > Brother John
  > Brother John
  > Morning bells are ringing
  > Morning bells are ringing
  > Ding, ding, dong
  > Ding, ding, dong

Huh, I’d forgotten there were English words to « Frère Jacques ».

There are also Dutch words (Slaap je nog, broeder Jan), but I've gone
and forgotten them.

Huh. 67 versions.

https://www.partitions-domaine-public.fr/genre/frerejacques.html

This is labeled as the Dutch version (Vader Jacob)

https://www.partitions-domaine-public.fr/pdf/8490/Traditionnel-Vader-Jacob.html

This gives the bell sounds as "Bim bam bom"

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Are you sleeping?
Are you sleeping?
Brother John
Brother John
Morning bells are ringing
Morning bells are ringing
Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong

------------ ive always remembered is as Ding, Dong, Ding
or maybe Ding Ding Dong

but recently i've seen Ding-dang-dong, ding-dang-dong.

What is most common ???


Are you sleeping, are you sleeping,. Brother John, brother John. Morning
bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing,. Ding-dang-dong,
ding-dang-dong.



Re: Back vowel counterpart of Marry-Mary-Merry
On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 6:47:24 +0000, Snidely wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote on 3/2/2022 :

To me, a paper bag is something that, say, a greeting card would fit
in, but if it's large enough to hold a watermelon it's a paper sack.

The reverse for me, sort of, in that paper sack is more likely to be
used for a lunch bag than either a greeting card purchase or grocery purchase.

/dps

i suppose Sac is only for Biological things, like Polyps.

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Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí na Samhain, scríobh HenHanna:

Are you sleeping?
Are you sleeping?
Brother John
Brother John
Morning bells are ringing
Morning bells are ringing
Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong

Huh, I’d forgotten there were English words to « Frère Jacques ».

--
‘As I sat looking up at the Guinness ad, I could never figure out /
How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
(C. Moore)

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In article <0c59050d8b0658ed8c118bf73a7e2b25@www.novabbs.com>,
HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null> wrote:

Are you sleeping?
Are you sleeping?
Brother John
Brother John
Morning bells are ringing
Morning bells are ringing
Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong

------------ ive always remembered is as Ding, Dong, Ding
or maybe Ding Ding Dong

but recently i've seen Ding-dang-dong, ding-dang-dong.

What is most common ???

Are you sleeping, are you sleeping,. Brother John, brother John. Morning bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing,. Ding-dang-dong, ding-dang-dong.

when I learned the rhyme (1940s?), it was in (the original) French). It had ding-dang-dong.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

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On Fri, 8 Nov 2024 18:53:58 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote:

HenHanna wrote:

Are you sleeping?
Are you sleeping?
Brother John
Brother John
Morning bells are ringing
Morning bells are ringing
Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong

------------ ive always remembered is as  Ding, Dong, Ding
                               or  maybe Ding  Ding  Dong

but recently i've seen  Ding-dang-dong, ding-dang-dong.

                      What is most common ???


Are you sleeping, are you sleeping,. Brother John, brother John. Morning
bells are ringing,. Morning bells are ringing,. Ding-dang-dong,
ding-dang-dong.



Re: Back vowel counterpart of Marry-Mary-Merry
On Thu, 3 Mar 2022 6:47:24 +0000, Snidely wrote:

Tony Cooper wrote on 3/2/2022 :

To me, a paper bag is something that, say, a greeting card would fit
in, but if it's large enough to hold a watermelon it's a paper sack.

The reverse for me, sort of, in that paper sack is more likely to be
used for a lunch bag than either a greeting card purchase or grocery
purchase.

/dps

      i suppose   Sac    is only for Biological  things,  like  Polyps.

I only ever heard the French version of this. As far as I can recall,
right back to lessons in school.

Frère Jacques
Frère Jacques
Dormez-vous?
Dormez-vous?
Sonnez les matines
Sonnez les matines
Ding-ding-dong
Ding-ding-dong.

Ed

thank you...

[Sonnez...] reminds me of this (Sonnez la cloche!)
from Ulysses:



11.400 -Please, please.
11.401 He pleaded over returning phrases of avowal.
11.402 -I could not leave thee ...
11.403 -Afterwits, miss Douce promised coyly.
11.404 -No, now, urged Lenehan. Sonnez la cloche! O do! There's no-one.
11.405 She looked. Quick. Miss Kenn out of earshot. Sudden bent. Two
11.406 kindling faces watched her bend.
11.407 Quavering the chords strayed from the air, found it again, lost
chord,
11.408 and lost and found it, faltering.
11.409 -Go on! Do! Sonnez!
11.410 Bending, she nipped a peak of skirt above her knee. Delayed.
Taunted
11.411 them still, bending, suspending, with wilful eyes.
11.412 -Sonnez!
11.413 Smack. She set free sudden in rebound her nipped elastic garter
11.414 smackwarm against her smackable a woman's warmhosed thigh.
11.415 -La cloche! cried gleeful Lenehan. Trained by owner. No sawdust
there.


------------- was ths commonly done in a Dublin pub?


i can't remember if this (Sonnez la cloche!) was a common
phrase at the time.

--------- is it from a Song?

iirc... [No sawdust] means that her (plump) Thigh is solid

all meat

and not like a Doll filled with straw (or Sawdust)

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On 2024-11-08 12:52, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí na Samhain, scríobh HenHanna:

> Are you sleeping?
> Are you sleeping?
> Brother John
> Brother John
> Morning bells are ringing
> Morning bells are ringing
> Ding, ding, dong
> Ding, ding, dong

Huh, I’d forgotten there were English words to « Frère Jacques ».

Huh. I'd forgotten there was a French version.

--
Inoculatte (v): To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.

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On 09/11/24 05:52, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí na Samhain, scríobh HenHanna:

> Are you sleeping?
> Are you sleeping?
> Brother John
> Brother John
> Morning bells are ringing
> Morning bells are ringing
> Ding, ding, dong
> Ding, ding, dong

Huh, I’d forgotten there were English words to « Frère Jacques ».

There are also Dutch words (Slaap je nog, broeder Jan), but I've gone
and forgotten them.

--
Peter Moylan peter@pmoylan.org http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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On 08/11/2024 19:52, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí na Samhain, scríobh HenHanna:

Are you sleeping?
Are you sleeping?
Brother John
Brother John
Morning bells are ringing
Morning bells are ringing
Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong

Huh, I’d forgotten there were English words to « Frère Jacques ».

Yes, as there are translations in many other languages.

None of them start with 'are you sleeping?'. Your erratic source has the
third and fourth lines transposed with the first two lines. You can put
that down to the fact that the clucking Hen is a bit of a ding-dong
himself. (Hint, the song is called "Frère Jacques".)

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On Fri, 22 Nov 2024 08:09:13 +0100, occam <occam@nowhere.nix> wrote:

On 08/11/2024 19:52, Aidan Kehoe wrote:

Ar an t-ochtú lá de mí na Samhain, scríobh HenHanna:

Are you sleeping?
Are you sleeping?
Brother John
Brother John
Morning bells are ringing
Morning bells are ringing
Ding, ding, dong
Ding, ding, dong

Huh, I’d forgotten there were English words to « Frère Jacques ».

Yes, as there are translations in many other languages.

None of them start with 'are you sleeping?'. Your erratic source has the >third and fourth lines transposed with the first two lines. You can put
that down to the fact that the clucking Hen is a bit of a ding-dong
himself. (Hint, the song is called "Frère Jacques".)

You call that an erratic source, but it matches what
echoes in MY head, too. Midwestern USA, 1960s.

--
Rich Ulrich

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occam wrote:

Huh, I’d forgotten there were English words to « Frère Jacques ».

Yes, as there are translations in many other languages.

All Danish kids knew it when I was a child. I'm not sure how it is
today. The Danish text translated into English is:

Master Jakob, Master Jakob.
Do you sleep? Do you sleep?
Don't you hear the bell? Don't you hear the bell?
Ding dang dong. Ding dang dong.

The rhythm is perfect in Danish.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

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On 23/11/2024 08:27, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

occam wrote:

Huh, I’d forgotten there were English words to « Frère Jacques ». >>>

Yes, as there are translations in many other languages.

All Danish kids knew it when I was a child. I'm not sure how it is
today. The Danish text translated into English is:

Master Jakob, Master Jakob.
Do you sleep? Do you sleep?
Don't you hear the bell? Don't you hear the bell?
Ding dang dong. Ding dang dong.

Except, according to this text, they say:

Mester Jakob, Mester Jakob
Sover du,
sover du,
Hører du at klokken,
hører du at klokken,
Bim bam bum. Bim bam bum.



Did you translate "Bim bam bum" to 'Ding dang dong' yourself Bertel? If
so, which dictionary did you use?


Source: https://www.partitions-domaine-public.fr/pdf/8489/Traditionnel-Mester-Jakob.html


[Could be much worse. The Turkish translation goes:

"Lazy child, lazy child
Come on get up, come on get up
It's time for school, it's time for school
Day has dawned, day has dawned. ]

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occam wrote:

Except, according to this text, they say:

It is wrong except for the bimbambum-part.

Hører du at klokken,

Do you hear that the Bell

It makes no sense. I have left a comment with a correction.

Did you translate "Bim bam bum" to 'Ding dang dong' yourself Bertel? If
so, which dictionary did you use?

I had dingdangdong ringing (pun intended) in my head, so I forgot
"bimbambum".

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

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In Hindi

Kya tum sotay
Kya tum sotay
Bhai Johann
Bhai Johann
Bhor ki ghanti bujtee
Bhor ki ghanti bujtee
Ding ding dong
Ding ding dong

There was a Brother at the Catholic school where Arindam learnt that in
1964. Although a hard working chap doing all the grunt work that song
made him look incorrigibly lazy.

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