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flâneur -- was the notion invented by Baudelaire?


[Post-Baudelaire Development]

After Baudelaire, the concept of the flâneur continued to
evolve:

Walter Benjamin, in the 20th century, further developed the idea in his
work "The Arcades Project," using Baudelaire's flâneur as a starting
point.

The concept spread beyond Paris to other European cities, particularly
Berlin.


In conclusion, while Baudelaire did not invent the notion of
the flâneur, his work was instrumental in shaping and popularizing the
concept as we understand it today. The flâneur's origins can be traced
back earlier, with significant development occurring during and after
the French Revolution.



On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 9:17:49 +0000, occam wrote:

A flâneur (FR) is apparently "... an ambivalent figure of urban
affluence and modernity, representing the ability to wander detached
from society"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%A2neur

Wiki: A near-synonym of the noun is boulevardier.

As there are not many boulevards in London, the synonym is not much
help. The other suggestions - urban male "stroller", "lounger",
"saunterer", or "loafer" - also miss the mark somewhat.
"Lounger" and "loafer" for me are /indoor/ terms. A "saunterer"
describes a far more energetic activity than "stroller".

Is this one of those terms (like Schadenfreude) that we have to resign
to as eternally foreign?

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On 6/01/2025 9:04 a.m., HenHanna wrote:

i'm a huge fan of the C.Nolan film [Following]

flâneur -- was the notion invented by Baudelaire?

[Post-Baudelaire Development]

        After Baudelaire, the concept of the flâneur continued to evolve:

Walter Benjamin, in the 20th century, further developed the idea in his
work "The Arcades Project," using Baudelaire's flâneur as a starting
point.

The concept spread beyond Paris to other European cities, particularly Berlin.

         In conclusion, while Baudelaire did not invent the notion of
the flâneur, his work was instrumental in shaping and popularizing the concept as we understand it today. The flâneur's origins can be traced
back earlier, with significant development occurring during and after
the French Revolution.

On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 9:17:49 +0000, occam wrote:

A flâneur (FR) is apparently "... an ambivalent figure of urban
affluence and modernity, representing the ability to wander detached
from society"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%A2neur

Wiki:  A near-synonym of the noun is boulevardier.

As there are not many boulevards in London, the synonym is not much
help.  The other suggestions - urban male "stroller", "lounger",
"saunterer", or "loafer" - also miss the mark somewhat.
"Lounger" and "loafer" for me are /indoor/ terms. A "saunterer"
describes a far more energetic activity than "stroller".

Is this one of those terms (like Schadenfreude) that we have to resign
to as eternally foreign?

I first heard/read this word as a youth; the phrase "flâneurs and
dilettantes" sticks in my mind to this day. I had some idea what a
dilettante was -- not a good thing to be called -- so flâneur was
probably similar. But I did have to look it up. Since then it has lived
in a quiet suburb of my vocabulary, not getting out very often.

Probably a little later I heard about Baudelaire. And then again in the
1980s some friends of mine were very excited about Walter Benjamin....

But not until today did I bother to look into its etymology. According
to Dauzat, "flâner" is not terribly old (1645), and comes from Norman
dialect, and thither probably from Scandinavian -- Norwegian flana 'to
go here and there'. Like what the Vikings did.

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On Thu, 9 Jan 2025 0:00:35 +0000, Ross Clark wrote:

On 6/01/2025 9:04 a.m., HenHanna wrote:

i'm a huge fan of the C.Nolan film [Following]


flâneur -- was the notion invented by Baudelaire?


[Post-Baudelaire Development]

        After Baudelaire, the concept of the flâneur continued to >> evolve:

Walter Benjamin, in the 20th century, further developed the idea in his
work "The Arcades Project," using Baudelaire's flâneur as a starting
point.

The concept spread beyond Paris to other European cities, particularly
Berlin.


         In conclusion, while Baudelaire did not invent the notion of
the flâneur, his work was instrumental in shaping and popularizing the
concept as we understand it today. The flâneur's origins can be traced
back earlier, with significant development occurring during and after
the French Revolution.



On Sat, 4 Jan 2025 9:17:49 +0000, occam wrote:

A flâneur (FR) is apparently "... an ambivalent figure of urban
affluence and modernity, representing the ability to wander detached
from society"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fl%C3%A2neur

Wiki:  A near-synonym of the noun is boulevardier.

As there are not many boulevards in London, the synonym is not much
help.  The other suggestions - urban male "stroller", "lounger",
"saunterer", or "loafer" - also miss the mark somewhat.
"Lounger" and "loafer" for me are /indoor/ terms. A "saunterer"
describes a far more energetic activity than "stroller".

Is this one of those terms (like Schadenfreude) that we have to resign
to as eternally foreign?

I first heard/read this word as a youth; the phrase "flâneurs and dilettantes" sticks in my mind to this day. I had some idea what a
dilettante was -- not a good thing to be called -- so flâneur was
probably similar. But I did have to look it up. Since then it has lived
in a quiet suburb of my vocabulary, not getting out very often.

Probably a little later I heard about Baudelaire. And then again in the
1980s some friends of mine were very excited about Walter Benjamin....

But not until today did I bother to look into its etymology. According
to Dauzat, "flâner" is not terribly old (1645), and comes from Norman dialect, and thither probably from Scandinavian -- Norwegian flana 'to
go here and there'. Like what the Vikings did.

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for some reason... when i think of the word

flâneur

i think of the closing shot in the movie Eugene Onegin
(starring Ralph Fiennes )


the last shot is Onegin standing alone on a street
-------- He became a flâneur


_________________

The movie "Onegin" (1999) is based on Alexander Pushkin's 1833
novel in verse "Eugene Onegin".

Directed by Martha Fiennes, Ralph Fiennes' sister, with music composed by their brother Magnus Fiennes.

Stars Ralph Fiennes as Eugene Onegin and Liv Tyler as Tatyana
Larina.

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