• DNA and language study on ancestry of Uralics and Yeniseians

    From Tilde@21:1/5 to All on Sun Jul 27 17:12:55 2025
    https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/ancient-dna-suggests-ancestors-of-estonians-finns-and-hungarians-lived-in-siberia-4-500-years-ago

    Present-day speakers of Hungarian, Finnish and
    Estonian have substantial Siberian ancestry, a
    new study of ancient genomes finds. These roots
    likely spread westward from a group of people
    living in the forest steppes of the Altai
    Mountains of Central and East Asia 4,500 years
    ago.
    ...
    However, while ancient DNA can show where a
    group moved over time, it's challenging to use
    genetics to track language. So experts have
    noted that the results do not definitively
    prove a link between speakers of these
    languages and the ancient DNA pattern.

    In a study published July 2 in the journal
    Nature, researchers analyzed 180 people who
    lived in northern Eurasia between the
    Mesolithic period and the Bronze Age (11,000
    to 4,000 years ago). The team then added
    these individuals to a database of more than
    1,300 previously analyzed ancient people,
    and then compared these genomes to those of
    modern people. One significant finding came
    from the genomes dating to the Late Neolithic
    to Early Bronze Age (4,500 to 3,200 years ago).

    They discovered that the geographical
    locations of ancient people with a DNA pattern
    they termed Yakutia_LNBA were "unambiguously
    associated with ancient and present-day
    Uralic-speaking populations," the researchers
    wrote in the study.

    Uralic languages are a group of more than 20
    tongues spoken by millions of people, but the
    most prominent are Estonian, Finnish and
    Hungarian. Linguists have been interested in
    these three major Uralic languages because
    they are different from the Indo-European
    ones spoken in the countries around them.
    ...
    But the association between genetics and
    language is complicated to prove,
    particularly in the past.

    "One's genetic make-up offers no insight into
    the range of languages one might speak, nor
    which of these one considers their primary
    language," Catherine Frieman, an archaeologist
    at Australian National University who was not
    involved in the study, told Live Science in
    an email.

    Because people communicate in complex ways,
    "I think we need to consider how
    multilingualism, including across language
    families, may have shaped or affected
    language spread and change," Frieman said.

    While the researchers do not address
    multilingualism in their study, Zeng said
    that "it is extremely likely that ancient
    populations were multilingual." However, he
    said, "extensive language change would have
    likely involved migration — or at the very
    least the integration of a substantial
    fraction of linguistic newcomers into
    populations across a region — to a level
    that is likely to leave some genetic
    impact."

    But Frieman cautions that we need to be
    careful not to equate a genetic cluster
    to a specific language or family,
    particularly when thinking about how past
    people lived their lives.
    ...


    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-025-09189-3
    Ancient DNA reveals the prehistory of the
    Uralic and Yeniseian peoples

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  • From Aidan Kehoe@21:1/5 to All on Mon Jul 28 14:59:54 2025
    Ar an seachtú lá is fiche de mí Iúil, scríobh Tilde:

    https://www.livescience.com/archaeology/ancient-dna-suggests-ancestors-of-estonians-finns-and-hungarians-lived-in-siberia-4-500-years-ago

    Present-day speakers of Hungarian, Finnish and
    Estonian have substantial Siberian ancestry, a
    new study of ancient genomes finds. These roots
    likely spread westward from a group of people
    living in the forest steppes of the Altai
    Mountains of Central and East Asia 4,500 years
    ago. [...]

    "One's genetic make-up offers no insight into the range of languages one might speak, nor which of these one considers their primary language," Catherine Frieman, an archaeologist at Australian National University who was not involved in the study, told Live Science in an email.

    That overstates things an awful lot. E.g. very few people speak Hebrew without some Semitic ancestry; very few people speak Navajo without some Native American ancestry. Very few people of Polynesian ancestry speak Finnish. The vast majority of people who speak Chinese have Han Chinese ancestry. The vast majority of people who speak Japanese have Japanese ancestry.

    I’m glad the study was done and it adds to our information on the question.

    [...]

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    How your man stayed up on the surfboard after fourteen pints of stout’
    (C. Moore)

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